Paulie
Quintana
Torres
Judah
Mosley
Urkal
Branco
Abdullaev
Pinto
Bailey
Corley
That's quite some record. To go through all them and remain undefeated is exceptional imo.
Apart from beating Floyd, what can Cotto do to claim the spot of p4p number 1?
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Paulie
Quintana
Torres
Judah
Mosley
Urkal
Branco
Abdullaev
Pinto
Bailey
Corley
That's quite some record. To go through all them and remain undefeated is exceptional imo.
Apart from beating Floyd, what can Cotto do to claim the spot of p4p number 1?
Cotto is one mighty impressive guy when it comes to quality of opposition and the performance's he's put in, what a guy!
I feel his fights with Gomez and perhaps Mayorga could be just as essential though, depending on how good he looks.
He's great to watch and is brilliant at what he does but to become number one pound for pound he has to beat Floyd and he won't. Floyd will beat him by fighting like he did against Oscar. It'll be a great fight when it eventually happens just as long as it isn't refereed by Joe Cortez.
I'll say Judah and Mosley (past their primes) are so far the biggest names in his resume. As for Mayweather, well, ODLH, Hatton, Judah, Mitchell, Gatti, N'Dou, Castillo, Corrales, Manfredi, Hernandez, etc. Haven't seen Mayweather getting rocked silly yet or cut. Perhaps Cotto will be the first one to do so (I hope), but I just can't see it.
it is a very good resume and should get better
His record says that he is the best Welterweight in the world right now.
better than everyone else that fights at welterweight.
Well he was the best in JWW Division and now he is the best and the most BIGGEST THREAT in WW Div. .....What else?....;D
I don't think it's stellar at all.
I think history will be kind to Miguel. A journeyman Judah and a Mosley in the autumn of his days are great names...but not neccessarily great wins.
Whilst I don't think the jury is out on Miguel anymore...he's still in need of a career defining fight isn't he?
I agree steelie, although Cotto's record is solid it is also misleading. He has never fought the #1 ranked guy in a division, nor has he dethroned a Ring champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelie
He is indeed in waiting for a career defining fight
I think he's being expertly managed, brilliantly, in fact.
that said, I can't say I'm massively exited by the prospect of Gomez or Mayorga.
Perhaps he's just biding his time whilst the Mayweather/De La Hoya merry-go-round runs it's course...who knows.................suffice to say he's arrived in a division at a time when it seems to have been almost hijacked by Floyd Mayweather.
I mean, there are big fights at 147 but somehow they just don't have the same lustre if Mayweather isn't involved. It's like the guys are fighting for 2nd place...and Miguels star won't shine as brightly as perhaps it should, till he gets his shot.
I think Cotto should push for the winner of Margarito/ Cintron instead of Mayorga. So in other words Margarito!Quote:
Originally Posted by steelie
I really doubt Mayorga can make it down to 147 now without weakening himself.
That's the response i was after.Quote:
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:D Hi steelie , well with all respect , we know that PBF have a great resume theres no doubt on that , but in JWW PBF fought with the most better in that Division and he won them by UD and count like a great win, so Cotto fought with them too and won by KO , so in WW Div. he won Quintana by KO , Judah by KO and Mosley by UD .....Do you think that is not a great win?......at least for me have a better resume in WW than PBF......:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by steelie
I know I'm gonna sound like a broken record here BUUUUT
I remember the days when people were saying Cotto wouldn't amount to anything....
Hes too robotical, hes 1 dimensional, he couldn't carry Zab Judahs jock strap etc. etc.
I remember this very clearly when I said "Cottos young and has a great mindset. He has room to improve and he will"
I was laughed I was told there was no way Cotto would improve. He fights 1 way and 1 way only. With fighters like Zab, Margarito, Spinks, Vernon, Mayorga etc. etc. he would never be able to improve.... :rolleyes:
I gotta say it feels great to have seen Cotto go from prospect, to contender, to World Champion and hopefully he can become an ATG.
Cottos one of my very 1st fighters I've seen go full circle and I'm proud to say I've been there from very early on. Kinda like some of you guys who saw Tyson from the start, or Lennox from day 1 or Eubank.
Totally. A dominating dethroning of a champion #1 ranked opponent would be a career defining moment. I like the guy, I just can't see him beating Mayweather as much as I wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelie
So what's next for Cotto at the moment? Winner of Margarito/Cintron?
I was not one of those guys Mick, I always thought Cotto would do well. He always seemed very professional & light years ahead mentally... if you get what I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
The only thing I don't agree with in your post is the world champion part. He has not achieved that yet in my eyes. He is only a belt holder. But there are opportunities there for Cotto the win World Championships & become an ATG
He has a great list, just by staying undefeated fighting all those guys make him at least a hall of famer IMO, especially considering who has made it in.
Right, title holder/title champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
I consider him a World Champion.
If you notice when he beat SSM, he (SSM) was the WBC Interim champ. this means that PBF opted to fight Hatton and thus he didn't fight SSM.
So in part you can say he also holds a part of the WBC strap with PBF.
I don't like getting too into the political part of the sport cause with every little thing you'll open up a whole nother can of worms....
Be as it may Cottos argueably #1 in the top 5 Welters and is also Ring Mag. top 10 which speaks volumes.
I sent some Rep. your way for always bringing up a good talk....
Cotto when he wins Gomez he will fight the winner of Margarito vs Cintron.
I was never a big cotto fan and i'm still not that big a fan but he continues to earn my respect everytime he steps into the ring. Everytime i said he would lose he has won. i still think that Chop Chop might would have beat him had it not been for that gay ass ref. If he was going to stop the fight he should have stop when cotto was hurt. anyway that was like 3 or 4 years ago. anyway have much respect for cotto. he boxes very well. he not a slick boxer so sometimes people overlook his boxing skills but he's good.
Fuck DLH PBF II bring on PBF Cotto
also he fights often. thats important to me.
Yeah bro #1 WW & #7 P4P by Ring mag & you know those are the only rankings I recognize! So IMO Cotto holds essentially a part of nothing!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
But you gotta beat the man to be the man!
As for Floyd/ Hatton it was the WW champ vs the Jr.W champ & IMO that was a better match-up than facing the #3 WW in Mosley... although I would have loved to have seen Floyd in with Shane!
For a young fighter even going back to when he 1st turned pro Cotto was such a serious young man. I admired that & always thought his determination would take him far!
I am a convert.At first He looked like he was stuck in mud and was prone to eating punches to often but over time He has grown on me a bit.Sheer tenacity and he showed Immproved boxing maturity Against Mosley.
The first few rounds vs. Judah stand out as a question,He looked sooo easy to catch angles on and spin into shots.I think he has a ways to go before the term "great" and Cotto cross path's but so far so good.I can see Gomez trying to box him and could make it interesting for a few round but Cotto should grind him down.I dont see bout with Mayorga happening,Unless Cotto bulks up.Mayorga would be so drained trying to get down It just makes no sense..........Or dollars really.
The fight I want Is Cotto Vs. Margarito
He's also yet to beat a champion for the titles he's won. But neither did Margarito and that didn't stop anyone from hyping him. I must say the victory against Quintana looks good now, and I stress now. Cotto still needs to fight the young up and comers before I pass judgement and once again I place the names Clottey and Margarito out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Margarito is a wild card imo. He may lose a fight here and there but he always seems to pull out something spectacular every now and again. I would love to see Cotto and Margarito fight each other. After he destroys Cintron again. That gives Cotto a title fight where he beats a legit champion, then there's pretty much no question whom he should fight next ;)
I agree with most of what your saying... only thing for me is Floyd is the only legit champion at WW. The others are just contenders & trinket holders!Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
I would love to see Cotto in with either Margarito or Clottey next. The winner would create the ideal opponent for Mayweather.
Mick, those who said those things about Cotto didn't see his early career as you and I did. If they did, they would have noticed that those boxing skills he showed against Mosley were there from the beginning of his career. The problem was, Cotto went through a stage, when, because of his youth, he started believing the hype about himself, and started going into the ring with strictly a seek and destroy mindset. That's why veterans like Corley and solid punchers like Torres were able to give Cotto a run for his money, simply because Cotto got away from the excellent boxing skills he has. Those experiences have served him well, as you can see in the current Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Hey guys, I'm like mick and Rican in a way. I too started to see Cotto from early in his career. After Tito lossed, he was who everyone was talking about here at PR. There was a small buzz going around if you know what I mean. Everywhere you went you heard people talk "You gotta check this guy Cotto out, he's pretty damn good"
However, I was not totally sold on him at first. It took some time for me. But I have become a huge fan now and I think by the end of the year he'll be ready for Floyd. Whether he wins or not is another story, but he'll be ready and will make it a hell of a fight.
It is true that he has yet to dethrone a champion. It is true that Judah and Mosley were passed it and that they were his two biggest wins. But you also have to take into account that he beat 3 undefeated young fighters who shortly after went on to become champions themselves. He has also fought all types of fighters. Come forward fighters, hard hitters, swarmers, fast, slow, slicksters, boxers, rightys, leftys. He has fought them all and won.
Cotto has a tremendous record and his wins look even more impressive when those guys(Torres/Paulie/Quintana) go on to become world champs after Cotto destroyed them.
To say his career has been expertly handled is rather pathetic. Lots of people chose Cotto to lose to Mosley,Paulie and Quintana. And his resume is similar to Mayweather's at 140 and better than Mayweather's at 147, so saying things like that don't really have any basis on fact.
Yeah,he hasn't dethroned a RING champ yet,but at 140 that was Hatton and that fight never came to fruition and 147,Mayweather,we all know the score there,,Floyd has shown no interest(so far) in fighting legit WW.I mean I saw Zab being called a journeymen but that's the best "Legit" ww on Floyd's record so......?
The fact that Cotto is young and has a unification title match possible later this year with the Tony v Cintron winner will jsut raise his status further and re-iterate the point that he has the best resume at 147 BY FAR in comparison to the RING champ Floyd.
I can understand what you mean cutmemick. I felt the same way with Pacquaio. I have seen him fight in his early days when he was still fighting in the Philippines with local pros. The first time I saw him, I felt that Pacquaio has a long way to go. People were laughing at his style. It was really awkward. But you'd feel the power. It was really an extraordinary power that I felt with him..... and I was not wrong.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
The reason why I would defend him anytime......
Galaxy I can't help it but notice that by your standards there are but handful 'REAL' World Champions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Your look at this is the Old School way 1 champion and the rest contenders. I wish we still had it like that, by those standards PBF would have never amounted to much if he had to wait in line and earn his shot like the rest. Fact is it's not like that anymore. It is what is......
Cotto can easily take over PBF's p4p status if he beats him.
You all do know that this topic goes down the crapper if somehow hell freezes over on a blue moon night and Gomez beats Cotto ;)
Cotto has a respectable record and good attitude about him, I think as much as people say that he was purposely boxing backward in the later rounds against Mosely though I think Mosely broke him down a bit so I think that will bode well for future opposition and their mental state as the fight wears on that Cotto can be grinded down as well... Diaz and Campbell was an eye opener Cotto has a tight guard but he takes alot of punishment as well, I mean Gomez could easily dig in and bring it to Cotto just like Campbell did Diaz in..
Cotto is great for the sport in terms of his sportsmanship, I really appreciate the humble guys like Lacy, Cotto, Hatton etc because they are always gracious. He is a superstar and if he beats Gomez and then Cintron or Margarito to set up a fight with Floyd and beat him then I think interstingly enough Cotto could steal Floyds legacy out from under him and Cotto would be remembered as this generations best(I felt dirty for even typing that;D)
But if Mayweather never fights Cotto after winning his next 2 then I will admit Floyd is a chicken shit ducker ;)
:)We will hold you to that JT.:)
Ahem!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
We do Mick... all you need to do is follow Ring magazine, it ain't a perfect system (which they freely admit) but it's better than any other current alternative.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
By the way Floyd is a 2 weight ring champion (L & W) & had their policy been in effect when he fought Corrales it woulda been 3. The only other fighter to win championships in 2 weights is Hopkins... thats pretty good company if you ask me!
Cotto has a good resume and he is closing in on Floyde and Cotto has not been fighting as long so he playing catch up. I just hope if the fight happens and Cotto wins i hope people going to say Floyde was past it and take the credit away form Cotto for getting a win i have felling it will happen because Floyde going to sometime off. And if he comes back and loses to Cotto i can see alot of people taking credit away form him because cotto wins i hope to god he gets all the credit in the world i think hes going to win but be the fight of his life. But those are just some thoughts i just hope it happens before to long so we can get no excuses if Cotto does win the thing.