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I mean COTTO is the MAN! He just defeated 2 BIG Former true CHAMPS: SSM and ZAB wtf does Gomez have next?????????
or am i the only one scratching my head????
Gomez has some popularity from his contender appearances.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAVIDTUA
He became more well known after beating Gatti.
Cotto deserves a tune up after two big fights so Gomez is maybe the best known guy at 147 who has no real chance of winning......
yeah thats the only thing i can think of is that cottos is long over due for an easy fight or a tune up?
the gatti win was horrible to watch
Its just Cotto staying busy. He has worked hard recently and deserves a relative gimme. As long as he stays busy and puts hard fights in with the occasional gimme then Ive no complaints. Not every fight can be a mega fight.
Cotto deserves a gimmie??? Isnt he the heir apparent to Mayweather or something? Do you see Margarito taking a gimmie(technically yeah because he's just gonna make Cintron cry again)
But if Mayweather took an easy fight people would be barking to high heaven that he is ducking Cotto.
Cotto gets an easy fight and its because "he's earned it"
And if a Cotto fan tells me "thats different.. Mayweather is the number one p4p and Cotto just got here" then you're basically admitting that Floyd can't duck Cotto because you're admitting Cotto aint ready ;)
He has just come off of consecutive fights with Judah and Mosley. I dont know what Mayweather has to do with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Nothing, just thought I'd bring him up before anyone beat me to it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by milesHe has just come off of consecutive fights with Judah and Mosley. I dont know what Mayweather has to do with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Just to continue it, Mayweather just came off a fight at 154 with De La Hoya and a fight with Ricky Hatton doesnt he deserve some time too? :)
Cotto was trying to land a fight with Floyd or Oscar but nothing couldn't be done but why fight Margo now that he was beaten by PW and PW was beaten by Quintana. Cintron want it Margo plus he hasn't done crap to land a fight with Cotto. The same goes to Clottey and lost a fight to Margo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
What Cotto is doing? Well he wants to clean the WW div, and by clean I mean not unify but to beat the top names(doesn't make sense fighting Quintana again) and by fighting the winner of Cintron vs MArgo in the summer to hopefully fight Floyd next if he wins this one. (wich Im sure of it)
I don't think there's anything wrong with Cotto fighting Gomez. It's a good fight that will get him some more exposure with casual fans at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Cotto shouldn't be judged as critically as Floyd as he's 4 or 5 years behind him in career terms.
Floyd has fought a few less than impressive names in his career, Henry Brusseles is the most noticable.
I think Cotto has done a superb job since moving upto welter and I don't mind the Gomez fight one bit.
LOL everyone needs to read carefully the wording of the title of this thread!
it says why does Gomez get to fight cotto, meaning im implying he does not derserve to fight cotto right now.
im not criticizing cotto, i love cotto hes the MAN! i wish more fighters brought it every single time like he does to all of his fights. he ducks no one and he fight so often!
that is why cotto is the MAN!
What does deserving even have to do with it though?Quote:
Originally Posted by DAVIDTUA
Boxing has NEVER been decided on merit, boxers have ALWAYS chosen their opponents. Asking if Gomez deserves to fight Cotto is like asking if someone deserved to win the lottery, mandatories aside boxing has never been a meritocracy.
It's pointless because the vast majority of matchmaking is based on the favoured fighter getting an opponent that will entertain the crowd, and be as big a commerical draw as possible whilst posing the minimum level of risk.
Every top fighter has a carefully managed career and it's the job if his team to ensure he doesn't get upset in between the real big fights. Cotto has fought two career defining fights back to back and without a real big name opponent to face now he's been given a popular name opponent who shouldn't pose too much risk to his 0. That's plain common sense and whether Gomez is deserving or not is just a meaningless question to ask.
He fits all the criteria for a popular, fan friendly name opponent whilst being relatively low risk.
Gomez is known all around the world, he has an exciting style and is a popular charaacter with his never say die, underdog story.
It's a fight that was begging to be made, a nice payday for both, a fan friendly fight and a fight that should hopefully see Cotto put on a show and not upset the apple cart and ruin a potential mega fight with Margarito and later Mayweather down the line.
I have no problems with this fight whatsoever.
he is a tuneup for cotto to then possibly face margarito later in the year
You'd think so but he's going straight into a fight with the Big Show. He's a true warrior ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by MajestyNothing, just thought I'd bring him up before anyone beat me to it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by milesHe has just come off of consecutive fights with Judah and Mosley. I dont know what Mayweather has to do with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Just to continue it, Mayweather just came off a fight at 154 with De La Hoya and a fight with Ricky Hatton doesnt he deserve some time too? :)
Seriously tho Judah was closer to being a gimme then a mega fight imo. As was Oktay Urkal. Paulie and Quintana look much better in hindsight.
Fighting Gomez is no better than Calzaghe fighting Manfredo....and he took a lot of shit for that. Fair is fair.
Still, i'll be happy if he follows it with a fight against the winner of Tony - Cintron.
Majesty,Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
I think it sucks that sometimes your posts mark you as someone whos just here to 'try' and stir things up. I know your a far better poster then what we've seen of you. For example that 'experiment' thread you made....
I also think you try too hard to play devils advocate for almost every thread.....
You do realize PBF fought Sharmba and Zab (After a loss) if those aren't gimmie fights for you then I don't know what is.
A lot of fighters have gimmie fights....
yawn, tired and shotQuote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
anyway like other people have said its a stay busy versus a big name, if he makes a habit of this then that's one thing but as long as he follows it with a big fight its fine with me.
Majesty is right. Its not about him takin a gimmie because yes he may desrve it and yes floyd has had some gimmes but the point he is tryng to make is if floyd was fighing gomez ther would be non-stop threads critizing him but people "like" cotto so its ok for him to have gimmes. And if you think cotto is that one man that can beat floyd then that means you put him in the same class as floyd. So by that standard they should be treated the same. Cotto should be critizide for this just like floyd was when he fought mitchell.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
yawn, tired and shot
anyway like other people have said its a stay busy versus a big name, if he makes a habit of this then that's one thing but as long as he follows it with a big fight its fine with me.
P.S. IMO cottos first 25 opponents were "gimmes" (or at least they would be if floyd was fighting them)
Floyd is the universally recognised p4p number 1 fighter in the sport, he's at the pinnacle of his career and the absolute top of his game so is neccesarily held to a higher standard than Miguel Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICKMajesty is right. Its not about him takin a gimmie because yes he may desrve it and yes floyd has had some gimmes but the point he is tryng to make is if floyd was fighing gomez ther would be non-stop threads critizing him but people "like" cotto so its ok for him to have gimmes. And if you think cotto is that one man that can beat floyd then that means you put him in the same class as floyd. So by that standard they should be treated the same. Cotto should be critizide for this just like floyd was when he fought mitchell.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
yawn, tired and shot
anyway like other people have said its a stay busy versus a big name, if he makes a habit of this then that's one thing but as long as he follows it with a big fight its fine with me.
P.S. IMO cottos first 25 opponents were "gimmes" (or at least they would be if floyd was fighting them)
Cotto has been a pro since 2001, Floyd turned pro in 1996.
This means that Cotto is now where Floyd was in 2003/4
Floyd's opponents after the Castillo fight then were Victoriano Sosa, Philip N'Dou, DeMarcus Corely, Henry Bruseles and Arturo Gatti.;)
I'm a huge fan of Floyd in the ring and believe he's deserving of the best p4p title but in being awarded that accolade you are expected to live up to it.
Cotto so far is doing very well in his career. Wins over Malignaggi, Quintana, Mosely and Judah put him at the same level near enough to where Floyd himself was in 2003.
Let's not forget that Cotto tried to make a mega fight with Floyd or Oscar, but both chose the safer route and decided to fight each other, this after Floyd said he was going to retire after the Hatton fight. After Floyd and Oscar, there aren't any mega fights out there for Cotto, only intriguing scraps with the likes of Margarito, Cintron, Clottey, and even Gomez. Thus, let's not criticize Cotto for taking the so called "tuneup" when he tried his best to get a mega fight.
Sorry bro but i think u wrong. cotto is where floyd was in 1998. People forget floyd was in lb4lb rankings 2 years into the game . 2 years in the game cotto was fightin cezar bazan. IMO cotto is nowhere near floyd in skill nor career but people have to make it seem that way to give him credibility as the floyd-beater. I really dont care who cotto fights. He was fightin nobodies up until judah anyway so to me this is just him revertin back to his old self. I just dont like how everyone has something negative to say about floyd when the truth is the only person in the game whos done more is maybe bernard hopkins. I just think hes done enough in his career for people to not constantly talk smack about him. Hes earned the respect already.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboFloyd is the universally recognised p4p number 1 fighter in the sport, he's at the pinnacle of his career and the absolute top of his game so is neccesarily held to a higher standard than Miguel Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICKMajesty is right. Its not about him takin a gimmie because yes he may desrve it and yes floyd has had some gimmes but the point he is tryng to make is if floyd was fighing gomez ther would be non-stop threads critizing him but people "like" cotto so its ok for him to have gimmes. And if you think cotto is that one man that can beat floyd then that means you put him in the same class as floyd. So by that standard they should be treated the same. Cotto should be critizide for this just like floyd was when he fought mitchell.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
P.S. IMO cottos first 25 opponents were "gimmes" (or at least they would be if floyd was fighting them)
Cotto has been a pro since 2001, Floyd turned pro in 1996.
This means that Cotto is now where Floyd was in 2003/4
Floyd's opponents after the Castillo fight then were Victoriano Sosa, Philip N'Dou, DeMarcus Corely, Henry Bruseles and Arturo Gatti.;)
I'm a huge fan of Floyd in the ring and believe he's deserving of the best p4p title but in being awarded that accolade you are expected to live up to it.
Cotto so far is doing very well in his career. Wins over Malignaggi, Quintana, Mosely and Judah put him at the same level near enough to where Floyd himself was in 2003.
the public wantsCome on lets be real here. I didnt know cotto could talk until aout a year and a half ago. So he damn sure wasnt callin out floyd. When flyd was at 140 cotto wouldnt even dare think his name let alone call him out.He nor hatton wanted to fight then and i still dont think he really wants to fight floyd now. IMO hes just sayin this to further his career and if he gets the fight in the process ok he'll take the paycheck. But lets be honest floyd is all about money and if arum really wanted the fight he would just offered floyd 20mil and you, me, cotto and bob all know he would say yes. Its really that simple. I mean he was willin to give 8 for marg, 20 for cotto should be nothing. I wonder why he hasnt made an offer yet. cause he too is just using floyds name to build up cotto. he dont want that cause if he loses what does bob have left. He was willin to sacrifice margo but not cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
While i get what u are saying about how PBF would be crucified if he fought someone like Gomez i think it is a bit much to say that Cotto fought nobodies before Judah.Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICKSorry bro but i think u wrong. cotto is where floyd was in 1998. People forget floyd was in lb4lb rankings 2 years into the game . 2 years in the game cotto was fightin cezar bazan. IMO cotto is nowhere near floyd in skill nor career but people have to make it seem that way to give him credibility as the floyd-beater. I really dont care who cotto fights. He was fightin nobodies up until judah anyway so to me this is just him revertin back to his old self. I just dont like how everyone has something negative to say about floyd when the truth is the only person in the game whos done more is maybe bernard hopkins. I just think hes done enough in his career for people to not constantly talk smack about him. Hes earned the respect already.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboFloyd is the universally recognised p4p number 1 fighter in the sport, he's at the pinnacle of his career and the absolute top of his game so is neccesarily held to a higher standard than Miguel Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Cotto has been a pro since 2001, Floyd turned pro in 1996.
This means that Cotto is now where Floyd was in 2003/4
Floyd's opponents after the Castillo fight then were Victoriano Sosa, Philip N'Dou, DeMarcus Corely, Henry Bruseles and Arturo Gatti.;)
I'm a huge fan of Floyd in the ring and believe he's deserving of the best p4p title but in being awarded that accolade you are expected to live up to it.
Cotto so far is doing very well in his career. Wins over Malignaggi, Quintana, Mosely and Judah put him at the same level near enough to where Floyd himself was in 2003.
He dispatched Quintana easily, and Carlos has proven himself a good fighter by beating Williams.
Urkal while not being a top guy has been a tough fight for anyone, he nearly beat Tszyu on points.
Malignaggi has gone from strength to strength since fighting Cotto.
Torres is a champ.
Even guys like N'dou Abdulev and Corley arent gimme fights.
So as i said i think u are right that the Floyd haters would be going nuts if PBF fought someone like Gomez, but dont weaken your argument by saying that Cotto hasnt fought many good opponents, cos he has.
10 star response!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboWhat does deserving even have to do with it though?Quote:
Originally Posted by DAVIDTUA
Boxing has NEVER been decided on merit, boxers have ALWAYS chosen their opponents. Asking if Gomez deserves to fight Cotto is like asking if someone deserved to win the lottery, mandatories aside boxing has never been a meritocracy.
It's pointless because the vast majority of matchmaking is based on the favoured fighter getting an opponent that will entertain the crowd, and be as big a commerical draw as possible whilst posing the minimum level of risk.
Every top fighter has a carefully managed career and it's the job if his team to ensure he doesn't get upset in between the real big fights. Cotto has fought two career defining fights back to back and without a real big name opponent to face now he's been given a popular name opponent who shouldn't pose too much risk to his 0. That's plain common sense and whether Gomez is deserving or not is just a meaningless question to ask.
He fits all the criteria for a popular, fan friendly name opponent whilst being relatively low risk.
Gomez is known all around the world, he has an exciting style and is a popular charaacter with his never say die, underdog story.
It's a fight that was begging to be made, a nice payday for both, a fan friendly fight and a fight that should hopefully see Cotto put on a show and not upset the apple cart and ruin a potential mega fight with Margarito and later Mayweather down the line.
I have no problems with this fight whatsoever.
Your right let me change that. he wasnt fightin nobodies. Lets just he was fightin weak opposition. I mean its no secret that after corley rocked him that he was matched up with featherfisted fighters until judah. I just see it like this if u can land clean on cotto u can hurt him and for that reason he dont need to be in the ring with floyd cause floyd will land more than judah and mosley. I dont have a problem with cotto. I like his style but when guys like him get beat its usually 9 out of 10 time a guy with floyds style who beats him.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleWhile i get what u are saying about how PBF would be crucified if he fought someone like Gomez i think it is a bit much to say that Cotto fought nobodies before Judah.Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICKSorry bro but i think u wrong. cotto is where floyd was in 1998. People forget floyd was in lb4lb rankings 2 years into the game . 2 years in the game cotto was fightin cezar bazan. IMO cotto is nowhere near floyd in skill nor career but people have to make it seem that way to give him credibility as the floyd-beater. I really dont care who cotto fights. He was fightin nobodies up until judah anyway so to me this is just him revertin back to his old self. I just dont like how everyone has something negative to say about floyd when the truth is the only person in the game whos done more is maybe bernard hopkins. I just think hes done enough in his career for people to not constantly talk smack about him. Hes earned the respect already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
He dispatched Quintana easily, and Carlos has proven himself a good fighter by beating Williams.
Urkal while not being a top guy has been a tough fight for anyone, he nearly beat Tszyu on points.
Malignaggi has gone from strength to strength since fighting Cotto.
Torres is a champ.
Even guys like N'dou Abdulev and Corley arent gimme fights.
So as i said i think u are right that the Floyd haters would be going nuts if PBF fought someone like Gomez, but dont weaken your argument by saying that Cotto hasnt fought many good opponents, cos he has.
What do you mean his next two fights were against Abduleuv and Torres both with about 90% ko percentages :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICKYour right let me change that. he wasnt fightin nobodies. Lets just he was fightin weak opposition. I mean its no secret that after corley rocked him that he was matched up with featherfisted fighters until judah. I just see it like this if u can land clean on cotto u can hurt him and for that reason he dont need to be in the ring with floyd cause floyd will land more than judah and mosley. I dont have a problem with cotto. I like his style but when guys like him get beat its usually 9 out of 10 time a guy with floyds style who beats him.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleWhile i get what u are saying about how PBF would be crucified if he fought someone like Gomez i think it is a bit much to say that Cotto fought nobodies before Judah.Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICK
He dispatched Quintana easily, and Carlos has proven himself a good fighter by beating Williams.
Urkal while not being a top guy has been a tough fight for anyone, he nearly beat Tszyu on points.
Malignaggi has gone from strength to strength since fighting Cotto.
Torres is a champ.
Even guys like N'dou Abdulev and Corley arent gimme fights.
So as i said i think u are right that the Floyd haters would be going nuts if PBF fought someone like Gomez, but dont weaken your argument by saying that Cotto hasnt fought many good opponents, cos he has.
I agree, and Quintana is hardly feather fisted either.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboWhat do you mean his next two fights were against Abduleuv and Torres both with about 90% ko percentages :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICKYour right let me change that. he wasnt fightin nobodies. Lets just he was fightin weak opposition. I mean its no secret that after corley rocked him that he was matched up with featherfisted fighters until judah. I just see it like this if u can land clean on cotto u can hurt him and for that reason he dont need to be in the ring with floyd cause floyd will land more than judah and mosley. I dont have a problem with cotto. I like his style but when guys like him get beat its usually 9 out of 10 time a guy with floyds style who beats him.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
Come on guy your pinching at straws here. U know a fighters ko percentage doesnt necessarily have anything to do with power or even there opponents. I dont think torres is a big puncher.Who has he knocked out. Oh i get it cause he was able to knock down Miguel Cotto he must have power right even though cotto was damn near out on his feet against corley. i dont think the kd he got on cotto was even genuine. Abduleuv who?u cant be serious. Quintana? please upload the fight that shows his awesome power cause i never seen it. like i said stop pinching at straws i gave u judah and mosley. Come on be honest did u think that before any of these fights any of these guys was gonna knock cotto out? no u didnt. they were safe fights that he just made harder than they needed to beQuote:
Originally Posted by eagleI agree, and Quintana is hardly feather fisted either.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboWhat do you mean his next two fights were against Abduleuv and Torres both with about 90% ko percentages :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Well if KO percentage dont tell u how powerful a guy is what does? Seems a pretty good gauge to me....Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICKCome on guy your pinching at straws here. U know a fighters ko percentage doesnt necessarily have anything to do with power or even there opponents. I dont think torres is a big puncher.Who has he knocked out. Oh i get it cause he was able to knock down Miguel Cotto he must have power right even though cotto was damn near out on his feet against corley. i dont think the kd he got on cotto was even genuine. Abduleuv who?u cant be serious. Quintana? please upload the fight that shows his awesome power cause i never seen it. like i said stop pinching at straws i gave u judah and mosley. Come on be honest did u think that before any of these fights any of these guys was gonna knock cotto out? no u didnt. they were safe fights that he just made harder than they needed to beQuote:
Originally Posted by eagleI agree, and Quintana is hardly feather fisted either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Your killin me now. If a guys knocks out 25 cab drivers that u never saw before does that really mean he has power. Winky wright stopped 18 of his first 25 opponents and everybody know he dont have power. But i get what u sayin. If you dont see the fighter fight the fight u dont really know. But when i see a guy with a high ko perentage i dont assume he has power. i just assume that he tries to get guys out of there. U gota remember they dont seperate kos and tkos when they show a record. I mean a guy could have 25 ko but 15 of them was tkos that were built up from accumulation. So that do necessarily mean he has power. U hit a rock long enough and eventually it will crack.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleWell if KO percentage dont tell u how powerful a guy is what does? Seems a pretty good gauge to me....Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICKCome on guy your pinching at straws here. U know a fighters ko percentage doesnt necessarily have anything to do with power or even there opponents. I dont think torres is a big puncher.Who has he knocked out. Oh i get it cause he was able to knock down Miguel Cotto he must have power right even though cotto was damn near out on his feet against corley. i dont think the kd he got on cotto was even genuine. Abduleuv who?u cant be serious. Quintana? please upload the fight that shows his awesome power cause i never seen it. like i said stop pinching at straws i gave u judah and mosley. Come on be honest did u think that before any of these fights any of these guys was gonna knock cotto out? no u didnt. they were safe fights that he just made harder than they needed to beQuote:
Originally Posted by eagle
Again if u dont go by KO percentage how do u judge a guys power if u havent actually been hit by him? Especially if u havent seen him much before?Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICKYour killin me now. If a guys knocks out 25 cab drivers that u never saw before does that really mean he has power. Winky wright stopped 18 of his first 25 opponents and everybody know he dont have power. But i get what u sayin. If you dont see the fighter fight the fight u dont really know. But when i see a guy with a high ko perentage i dont assume he has power. i just assume that he tries to get guys out of there. U gota remember they dont seperate kos and tkos when they show a record. I mean a guy could have 25 ko but 15 of them was tkos that were built up from accumulation. So that do necessarily mean he has power. U hit a rock long enough and eventually it will crack.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleWell if KO percentage dont tell u how powerful a guy is what does? Seems a pretty good gauge to me....Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICK
He's lost me completely :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleAgain if u dont go by KO percentage how do u judge a guys power if u havent actually been hit by him? Especially if u havent seen him much before?Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICKYour killin me now. If a guys knocks out 25 cab drivers that u never saw before does that really mean he has power. Winky wright stopped 18 of his first 25 opponents and everybody know he dont have power. But i get what u sayin. If you dont see the fighter fight the fight u dont really know. But when i see a guy with a high ko perentage i dont assume he has power. i just assume that he tries to get guys out of there. U gota remember they dont seperate kos and tkos when they show a record. I mean a guy could have 25 ko but 15 of them was tkos that were built up from accumulation. So that do necessarily mean he has power. U hit a rock long enough and eventually it will crack.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
I mean even if you want to split hairs and say that a high KO record might just mean he wears them down with an accumulation of punches rather than one punch power I don't see how that makes them less dangerous?:confused:
Anyway Torres had 22 KO's in 24 fights going into the Cotto fight. I'm fairly sure when his team looked at him they didn't go 'yeah he looks like a powderpuff, Cotto will be safe with him' :rolleyes:
INO Gomez is just a sacrificial lamb getting sent out to get his ass handed to him!
I didn't browse the whole thread so I assume it's already been answered...
The answer to the thread question is simple:
After two tough fights against Judah and Mosley, and with another tough fight coming up against the Cintron/Margarito winner, Cotto deserved a fight against an opponent who would be easy by comparison.
Gomez is perfect.
1. He's not good enough to be a real danger to Cotto.
2. He's got a crowd-pleasing style.
3. People know him from the Contender.
4. People know him because he's coming off a win over Gatti on HBO.
So, in short, Gomez is an opponent with a recognizable name that will get people to tune in, and an aggressive style that will allow Cotto to look good and exciting in victory.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
good answer buddy we all pretty much agreed and u summed it up!
karma pts from me to you!
:thumb: Its not rocket science.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboFloyd is the universally recognised p4p number 1 fighter in the sport, he's at the pinnacle of his career and the absolute top of his game so is neccesarily held to a higher standard than Miguel Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICKMajesty is right. Its not about him takin a gimmie because yes he may desrve it and yes floyd has had some gimmes but the point he is tryng to make is if floyd was fighing gomez ther would be non-stop threads critizing him but people "like" cotto so its ok for him to have gimmes. And if you think cotto is that one man that can beat floyd then that means you put him in the same class as floyd. So by that standard they should be treated the same. Cotto should be critizide for this just like floyd was when he fought mitchell.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
P.S. IMO cottos first 25 opponents were "gimmes" (or at least they would be if floyd was fighting them)
Whether you think its unfair or not, the top guy in a sport is always held to a higher standard. There was a time when I criticized Floyd's competition but I don't anymore (although the news about him possibly wanting a Hatton rematch did make me throw up in my mouth a little) and he's at the point in his career where only big fights are worthy of his time. Cotto's not far from there but he's not on that level yet. If he takes two gimmes in a row then that's another story but as long as he goes back to making big fights next time out then I don't see what the problem is.
"Cotto should be critizide for this just like floyd was when he fought mitchell"
Floyd had just fought N'dou, Corley, Bruseles and Gatti. Cotto has fought Quintana, Urkal, Judah, and Mosley. Its not the same thing. And people were as much annoyed with Floyd for just skipping past 140. The saving grace for the Mitchell fight was that it was Floyd's first at 147 so a easier fight at a new weight class isn't as bad as one at the one you've been fighting at.
Ok but at 140 lookin back in hindsight who was he suppose to fight. Cotto or hatton? Did they really wanna fight floyd then. I dont think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan:thumb: Its not rocket science.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboFloyd is the universally recognised p4p number 1 fighter in the sport, he's at the pinnacle of his career and the absolute top of his game so is neccesarily held to a higher standard than Miguel Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Whether you think its unfair or not, the top guy in a sport is always held to a higher standard. There was a time when I criticized Floyd's competition but I don't anymore (although the news about him possibly wanting a Hatton rematch did make me throw up in my mouth a little) and he's at the point in his career where only big fights are worthy of his time. Cotto's not far from there but he's not on that level yet. If he takes two gimmes in a row then that's another story but as long as he goes back to making big fights next time out then I don't see what the problem is.
"Cotto should be critizide for this just like floyd was when he fought mitchell"
Floyd had just fought N'dou, Corley, Bruseles and Gatti. Cotto has fought Quintana, Urkal, Judah, and Mosley. Its not the same thing. And people were as much annoyed with Floyd for just skipping past 140. The saving grace for the Mitchell fight was that it was Floyd's first at 147 so a easier fight at a new weight class isn't as bad as one at the one you've been fighting at.
Talk about pinching at straws...Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICKYour killin me now. If a guys knocks out 25 cab drivers that u never saw before does that really mean he has power. Winky wright stopped 18 of his first 25 opponents and everybody know he dont have power. But i get what u sayin. If you dont see the fighter fight the fight u dont really know. But when i see a guy with a high ko perentage i dont assume he has power. i just assume that he tries to get guys out of there. U gota remember they dont seperate kos and tkos when they show a record. I mean a guy could have 25 ko but 15 of them was tkos that were built up from accumulation. So that do necessarily mean he has power. U hit a rock long enough and eventually it will crack.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleWell if KO percentage dont tell u how powerful a guy is what does? Seems a pretty good gauge to me....Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Winky had/has power the fact that he has switched up his game and formed himself as one of the finest fighters of our times is another story.
Hopkins had awsome power early in his career. But because he chose a different route and decided to become a boxer that means he doesn't have power?
They said the same thing about Monzon when he went over there to fight Nino and look what happened. When the power is there you know it and to say Torres doesn't have it is wrong.