DelaHoya-Pacquiao Split Negotiations and Purse Talk!

Basing on recent news information from various sources, I think negotiations for the Hoya-Pacquiao fight is bound to fail due to the following reasons:

1. Hoya pushes for a 70-30 (in Hoya's favor) split on everything that is not acceptable to Team Pacquiao

2. Hoya won't give the Philippines TV rights to Pacquiao

3. Hoya wants Pacquiao to wear 10 oz. gloves for the fight

4. Hoya realized that boxing fans didn't like the smaller Pacquiao as his opponent for his very last fight.

As for Manny Pacquiao, he will probably sit out for the rest of the year and will probably be back May or June next year.

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Basing on recent news information from various sources, I think negotiations for the Hoya-Pacquiao fight is bound to fail due to the following reasons:

1. Hoya pushes for a 70-30 (in Hoya's favor) split on everything that is not acceptable to Team Pacquiao

2. Hoya won't give the Philippines TV rights to Pacquiao

3. Hoya wants Pacquiao to wear 10 oz. gloves for the fight

4. Hoya realized that boxing fans didn't like the smaller Pacquiao as his opponent for his very last fight.

As for Manny Pacquiao, he will probably sit out for the rest of the year and will probably be back May or June next year.

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This last part makes no sense. Why would he sit around until next May or June when he's coming off a great performance 2 months ago where he barely got a scratch on him?

Even if the Oscar fight doesn't come thru, Pac has other options...

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Basing on recent news information from various sources, I think negotiations for the Hoya-Pacquiao fight is bound to fail due to the following reasons:

1. Hoya pushes for a 70-30 (in Hoya's favor) split on everything that is not acceptable to Team Pacquiao

2. Hoya won't give the Philippines TV rights to Pacquiao

3. Hoya wants Pacquiao to wear 10 oz. gloves for the fight

4. Hoya realized that boxing fans didn't like the smaller Pacquiao as his opponent for his very last fight.

As for Manny Pacquiao, he will probably sit out for the rest of the year and will probably be back May or June next year.

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This is good news, except for PAC waiting so long to fight again.

Oscar is such a crossdressing tranny bitch, I wish he would just retire already.

If Pac sits out until next year May/June it is probably for the Hatton fight.. because that's the time you would expect it to happen - if it does

Well... Floyd is retired, and Pac won't cave to DLH's usual outlandish demands. Looks like the Golden Boy may have to look in Margarito's direction after all. (TitoFan laughs an evil laugh).

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Originally Posted by Fenster

If Pac sits out until next year May/June it is probably for the Hatton fight.. because that's the time you would expect it to happen - if it does

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Hatton, win or loss against Paulie, will still be a good fight for PAC in May/June next year.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

If Pac sits out until next year May/June it is probably for the Hatton fight.. because that's the time you would expect it to happen - if it does

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Hatton, win or loss against Paulie, will still be a good fight for PAC in May/June next year.

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If Hatton loses to Paulie it wont be happening. If Hatton loses he is finished.

Pac not fighting is to stop any mishaps happening also (if Hatton-Pac is strongly on the cards, that is). Barring Oscar, Hatton is Pac's biggest money fight ;)

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Originally Posted by CountryBoy

Oscar is such a crossdressing tranny bitch, I wish he would just retire already.

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With the PAC fight gone, it's better for Hoya to retire now.

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by CountryBoy

Oscar is such a crossdressing tranny bitch, I wish he would just retire already.

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With the PAC fight gone, it's better for Hoya to retire now.

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Given the choices (he may have to fight a real welterweight)... and given the top names out there (Margarito, Cotto)..... retirement may be looking a lot sweeter right about now.

;) ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

If Pac sits out until next year May/June it is probably for the Hatton fight.. because that's the time you would expect it to happen - if it does

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Hatton, win or loss against Paulie, will still be a good fight for PAC in May/June next year.

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If Hatton loses to Paulie it wont be happening. If Hatton loses he is finished.

Pac not fighting is to stop any mishaps happening also (if Hatton-Pac is strongly on the cards, that is). Barring Oscar, Hatton is Pac's biggest money fight ;)

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I think PAC won't mind fighting a boxer coming from a loss. He has done it already many times in the past. Anyway Hatton has 6 months to prepare for PAC.

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Hatton, win or loss against Paulie, will still be a good fight for PAC in May/June next year.

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If Hatton loses to Paulie it wont be happening. If Hatton loses he is finished.

Pac not fighting is to stop any mishaps happening also (if Hatton-Pac is strongly on the cards, that is). Barring Oscar, Hatton is Pac's biggest money fight ;)

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I think PAC won't mind fighting a boxer coming from a loss. He has done it already many times in the past. Anyway Hatton has 6 months to prepare for PAC.

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I'm sure Pac wouldn't mind fighting him should he lose.. but the people that stump up the MONEY will. ;)

Hatton-Pac wont happen if Hatton loses. You can bet your life on that. ;)

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Originally Posted by CountryBoy

Oscar is such a crossdressing tranny bitch, I wish he would just retire already.

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;D


I wish he'd fight Williams or Margarito or put out a spring fashion catalog.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Fenster

If Hatton loses to Paulie it wont be happening. If Hatton loses he is finished.

Pac not fighting is to stop any mishaps happening also (if Hatton-Pac is strongly on the cards, that is). Barring Oscar, Hatton is Pac's biggest money fight ;)

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I think PAC won't mind fighting a boxer coming from a loss. He has done it already many times in the past. Anyway Hatton has 6 months to prepare for PAC.

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I'm sure Pac wouldn't mind fighting him should he lose.. but the people that stump up the MONEY will. ;)

Hatton-Pac wont happen if Hatton loses. You can bet your life on that. ;)

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Morales just lost to Barrera when he fought (and defeated!) PAC the first time and that fight was still a blockbuster.

If Hatton will lose to Paulie then he's already considered shot. No problem since PAC already been criticized before on taking shot fighters. Adding another shot fighter will do no more harm.

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I think PAC won't mind fighting a boxer coming from a loss. He has done it already many times in the past. Anyway Hatton has 6 months to prepare for PAC.

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I'm sure Pac wouldn't mind fighting him should he lose.. but the people that stump up the MONEY will. ;)

Hatton-Pac wont happen if Hatton loses. You can bet your life on that. ;)

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Morales just lost to Barrera when he fought (and defeated!) PAC the first time and that fight was still a blockbuster.

If Hatton will lose to Paulie then he's already considered shot. No problem since PAC already been criticized before on taking shot fighters. Adding another shot fighter will do no more harm.

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Hatton will probably retire if he loses to Paulie.

He will have lost all credibility at 140 - and have no title. There will be no reason to make Pac-Hatton. Hatton don't need the money.

Morales fought Pac coming off a loss to Barrera but that was an all time GREAT boxing rivalry. They were in the same weight class. It was a natural sell. ;)

Pac needs a fight soon, not may or june next year, thats far too long to wait.

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Basing on recent news information from various sources, I think negotiations for the Hoya-Pacquiao fight is bound to fail due to the following reasons:

1. Hoya pushes for a 70-30 (in Hoya's favor) split on everything that is not acceptable to Team Pacquiao

2. Hoya won't give the Philippines TV rights to Pacquiao

3. Hoya wants Pacquiao to wear 10 oz. gloves for the fight

4. Hoya realized that boxing fans didn't like the smaller Pacquiao as his opponent for his very last fight.

As for Manny Pacquiao, he will probably sit out for the rest of the year and will probably be back May or June next year.

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Can I ask who your source is SaddoBoxer for the things you've posted?

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Basing on recent news information from various sources, I think negotiations for the Hoya-Pacquiao fight is bound to fail due to the following reasons:

1. Hoya pushes for a 70-30 (in Hoya's favor) split on everything that is not acceptable to Team Pacquiao

2. Hoya won't give the Philippines TV rights to Pacquiao

3. Hoya wants Pacquiao to wear 10 oz. gloves for the fight

4. Hoya realized that boxing fans didn't like the smaller Pacquiao as his opponent for his very last fight.

As for Manny Pacquiao, he will probably sit out for the rest of the year and will probably be back May or June next year.

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Can I ask who your source is SaddoBoxer for the things you've posted?

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Welcome back MOD Mick...

One of the sources link >> De la Hoya wants 70-30 deal

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Basing on recent news information from various sources, I think negotiations for the Hoya-Pacquiao fight is bound to fail due to the following reasons:

1. Hoya pushes for a 70-30 (in Hoya's favor) split on everything that is not acceptable to Team Pacquiao

2. Hoya won't give the Philippines TV rights to Pacquiao

3. Hoya wants Pacquiao to wear 10 oz. gloves for the fight

4. Hoya realized that boxing fans didn't like the smaller Pacquiao as his opponent for his very last fight.

As for Manny Pacquiao, he will probably sit out for the rest of the year and will probably be back May or June next year.

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Can I ask who your source is SaddoBoxer for the things you've posted?

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Welcome back MOD Mick...

One of the sources link >> De la Hoya wants 70-30 deal

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As I suspected....

That's not ODLH talking that's just PEOPLE talking.
The only people that have talkes are Schaffer & Arum but even them they don't know...

The 70-30 numbers are numbers someone in Team Pac is "assuming" will be the numbers ODLH puts up. That does not mean those are the numbers that will be presented.

The title of this thread is false and the info. is false.

ODLH is in PR and has not disscused not even a single word with anyone in regards to purses and or numbers. ODLH will arrive out here to LA, Tuesday mid afternoon to meet with Schaffer.

Just wanted to clarify a few things.

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Basing on recent news information from various sources, I think negotiations for the Hoya-Pacquiao fight is bound to fail due to the following reasons:

1. Hoya pushes for a 70-30 (in Hoya's favor) split on everything that is not acceptable to Team Pacquiao

2. Hoya won't give the Philippines TV rights to Pacquiao

3. Hoya wants Pacquiao to wear 10 oz. gloves for the fight

4. Hoya realized that boxing fans didn't like the smaller Pacquiao as his opponent for his very last fight.

As for Manny Pacquiao, he will probably sit out for the rest of the year and will probably be back May or June next year.

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I had to neg rep you. They are still negotiating; the title of your thread is misleading.

I love how you capitalize PAC everytime. It's like the sheer enjoyment of seeing the guy's name just makes you want to scream it. PAC.

Anyways, this isn't true but I wish it was. There is no reason for this to happen.

Accuracy seems to be on a milk carton with this one....I certainly hope this fight does not get made and IMO it is almost comical when you think about this becoming a reality.I do not and can not deny DelaHoya's accomplishments and his due respect through career But I would very much like to see DLH JUST GET HIS FAIR WELL OVER WITH and exit stage left.If anything and maybe by default,his realistic "opponent" should be Margarito.Mayweathers top two title threats engaged in a sensational battle with Margarito emerging victorious.... Mayweather opted out of Rematch with Delahoya in a fight that frankly did not light fires of anticipation.

Manny should by no means sit out for that long.He is within his fiery peak right now and could generate good numbers on his own along side Hatton,should Ricky get passed Paulina,or a unification with Campbell etc.etc.A division unification........what a concept!!There is hype and then there is hysteria.

Lets hope this fight falls through

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Lets hope this fight falls through

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pac will happen guys. I have no doubt about it. 70-30 is good already. If the fight makes $100M.. That's $30M already for Pac. I think Pac will agree with 65-35.

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Lets hope this fight falls through

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pac will happen guys. I have no doubt about it. 70-30 is good already. If the fight makes $100M.. That's $30M already for Pac. I think Pac will agree with 65-35.

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are you serious? :rolleyes:

I think Bob Arum has made it pretty clear:

Pac will fight De La Hoya in December. If those negotiations fall through which is unlikely at this point

Pac will fight Humberto Soto in November.

which guy is the bigger draw here as of the moment?
the current p4p king or the older one?

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Originally Posted by canary

which guy is the bigger draw here as of the moment?
the current p4p king or the older one?

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The older one. easily, noone draws more than the Golden Boy period.

Here look at this by CD sales

Oscar de la Hoya - self titled = Amazon rank # 36,171

Manny Pacquiao - Laban Nating Lahat Ito Amazon rank # 441,244

nobody actually likes hearing either one of them sing, but that just shows who is more popular. :)

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

I think Bob Arum has made it pretty clear:

Pac will fight De La Hoya in December. If those negotiations fall through which is unlikely at this point

Pac will fight Humberto Soto in November.

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either soto or valero but valero seem to quite down when pac finally notices him ;D

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

I think Bob Arum has made it pretty clear:

Pac will fight De La Hoya in December. If those negotiations fall through which is unlikely at this point

Pac will fight Humberto Soto in November.

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either soto or valero but valero seem to quite down when pac finally notices him ;D

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Unless Valero takes out Manny in the first round, it's gonna be a one sided slaughter and Edwin knows that. I would prefer Soto at this stage or even Guzman if something happens to his date with Campbell.

I think it's time PAC gives Soto, Guzman and Valero a shot , the same way Barrera gave him the opportunity back in 03. In all Honesty when Valero came he was being branded as the PAC slayer, and then from that day on I was wishing of PAC stopping this guy. I consider that as PAC's greatest achievement if it happens.

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

I think it's time PAC gives Soto, Guzman and Valero a shot , the same way Barrera gave him the opportunity back in 03. In all Honesty when Valero came he was being branded as the PAC slayer, and then from that day on I was wishing of PAC stopping this guy. I consider that as PAC's greatest achievement if it happens.

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Really? I was high on Valero for a minute, but he is the true definition of a one-trick pony, I would say with all the things that Pac has accomplished in his career, Valero would actually rank pretty low, because what you are saying is that he is a better fighter (bigger challenge) than MAB, Morales and JMM.

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

I think it's time PAC gives Soto, Guzman and Valero a shot , the same way Barrera gave him the opportunity back in 03. In all Honesty when Valero came he was being branded as the PAC slayer, and then from that day on I was wishing of PAC stopping this guy. I consider that as PAC's greatest achievement if it happens.

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Really? I was high on Valero for a minute, but he is the true definition of a one-trick pony, I would say with all the things that Pac has accomplished in his career, Valero would actually rank pretty low, because what you are saying is that he is a better fighter (bigger challenge) than MAB, Morales and JMM.

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I mean Valero's record really looks good on paper and will look good on PAC's resume;D
The kid is undefeated, young , most probably a world record holder for most consecutive first round kayos:D

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

I think Bob Arum has made it pretty clear:

Pac will fight De La Hoya in December. If those negotiations fall through which is unlikely at this point

Pac will fight Humberto Soto in November.

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either soto or valero but valero seem to quite down when pac finally notices him ;D

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Unless Valero takes out Manny in the first round, it's gonna be a one sided slaughter and Edwin knows that. I would prefer Soto at this stage or even Guzman if something happens to his date with Campbell.

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Guzman is who i prefer the most. i don't think soto deserves a shot before guzman cause guzman has a win over him. plus some people think guzman can beat pac so i want to see them proven wrong once again. I think Soto would look a like like how the Diaz fight went, pac will crush him.

The casa jmm fight is another interesting match, i'd love to see the winner face pac as well. So for now my list goes like this of fights i want for pac in order.

Guzman/ but he does have a match with campbell.
Casa/JMM
Hatton/ also has a fight scheduled already with paulie.

(I do not think the oscar fight will take place any more.)

See either way pac has nobody to fight but valero but that seem to have been distracted by the oscar talks.

All in all I agree with previous.Pac vs.Guzman,Campbell would be top notch.If not for Lorenzo pulling a Luis Santana and Cortez lousing up the Title eliminator,Humberto Soto Vs. Manny would be coming up,Solid fight there.Imo....Pac would exploit Valereo's defensive flaws and really do a number on him.

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I think it's time PAC gives Soto, Guzman and Valero a shot , the same way Barrera gave him the opportunity back in 03. In all Honesty when Valero came he was being branded as the PAC slayer, and then from that day on I was wishing of PAC stopping this guy. I consider that as PAC's greatest achievement if it happens.

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Really? I was high on Valero for a minute, but he is the true definition of a one-trick pony, I would say with all the things that Pac has accomplished in his career, Valero would actually rank pretty low, because what you are saying is that he is a better fighter (bigger challenge) than MAB, Morales and JMM.

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I mean Valero's record really looks good on paper and will look good on PAC's resume;D
The kid is undefeated, young , most probably a world record holder for most consecutive first round kayos:D

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Solis was a young undefeated figher minus the hyped. I think its pretty clear now that valero would get smash by pac. That fight has lost interest already. I agree with killersheep valero is the lowest rank since solis in pacs resume after he smashes him.

JMM
EM
MAB

Clearly all greater fighters.

Diaz
Larios

Legit former champions and has fought greater oppenents then valero has ever seen.

Solis and Valero would be the two weakest oppenent pac has had since lucero. Another young undefeated fighter pac knock out in 3 rounds.

Pacs resume is second to noun, his weakest oppenents has been young undefeated fighter. So you can not say he does not give chances to the up and comers.

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Really? I was high on Valero for a minute, but he is the true definition of a one-trick pony, I would say with all the things that Pac has accomplished in his career, Valero would actually rank pretty low, because what you are saying is that he is a better fighter (bigger challenge) than MAB, Morales and JMM.

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I mean Valero's record really looks good on paper and will look good on PAC's resume;D
The kid is undefeated, young , most probably a world record holder for most consecutive first round kayos:D

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Solis was a young undefeated figher minus the hyped. I think its pretty clear now that valero would get smash by pac. That fight has lost interest already. I agree with killersheep valero is the lowest rank since solis in pacs resume after he smashes him.

JMM
EM
MAB

Clearly all greater fighters.

Diaz
Larios

Legit former champions and has fought greater oppenents then valero has ever seen.

Solis and Valero would be the two weakest oppenent pac has had since lucero. Another young undefeated fighter pac knock out in 3 rounds.

Pacs resume is second to noun, his weakest oppenents has been young undefeated fighter. So you can not say he does not give chances to the up and comers.

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I agree:)

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

I think it's time PAC gives Soto, Guzman and Valero a shot , the same way Barrera gave him the opportunity back in 03. In all Honesty when Valero came he was being branded as the PAC slayer, and then from that day on I was wishing of PAC stopping this guy. I consider that as PAC's greatest achievement if it happens.

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Really? I was high on Valero for a minute, but he is the true definition of a one-trick pony, I would say with all the things that Pac has accomplished in his career, Valero would actually rank pretty low, because what you are saying is that he is a better fighter (bigger challenge) than MAB, Morales and JMM.

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I mean Valero's record really looks good on paper and will look good on PAC's resume;D
The kid is undefeated, young , most probably a world record holder for most consecutive first round kayos:D

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not anymore bro > Tyrone Brunson ;D

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Really? I was high on Valero for a minute, but he is the true definition of a one-trick pony, I would say with all the things that Pac has accomplished in his career, Valero would actually rank pretty low, because what you are saying is that he is a better fighter (bigger challenge) than MAB, Morales and JMM.

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I mean Valero's record really looks good on paper and will look good on PAC's resume;D
The kid is undefeated, young , most probably a world record holder for most consecutive first round kayos:D

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not anymore bro > Tyrone Brunson ;D

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Yup, he did beat Valero's record;D

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Originally Posted by canary

which guy is the bigger draw here as of the moment?
the current p4p king or the older one?

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The older one. easily, noone draws more than the Golden Boy period.

Here look at this by CD sales

Oscar de la Hoya - self titled = Amazon rank # 36,171

Manny Pacquiao - Laban Nating Lahat Ito Amazon rank # 441,244

nobody actually likes hearing either one of them sing, but that just shows who is more popular. :)

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Brilliant.
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