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No jab he doesnt box no speed he just tries to stand and bomb. Shane needs to retire he looks a shell. Mayorga wouldnt have won a round against prime Mosley who was losing that fight by a mile. At his peak he would have punched Cotto all over the ring its a shame when we know a Mosley 5yrs ago would have demolished Cotto and Mayorga.
Please retire Shane.
Mosley has become to dependant on power. He seems to still have his boxing skills. But doesn't use them as much. He'll rather trade instead. I agree it's time for him to go. Margarito would knock him out if they fight
Mosley looked his age tonight:(
Mosley did look pretty ragged earlier, but I dont think Margarito would knock him out though. Might well outwork this version of Mosley, but I have a tough time imagining Mosley out for the count.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
Whilst Mosley did'nt look his prime last night, he certainly isn't as bad as some boxers who carried on too long.
I still think its time for him to retire, although if he would have produced a big display last night then one final big fight would have been worth taking.
Can't see him getting it though
He fought the same/ similar fight against Cotto following him and looking for the big punch whilst being mostly ineffective.
When has Shane ever been fantatsic above Welter?
Light Middle is not his weight, I'll bet he looks better in a Welter fight.
Guys take it easy. Shane was originally a lightweight and at this stage of his career he beats a Light Middle, not tooooooo shabby.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Good post
Before we all write off Shane Mosley lets remember that at 154 the only time hes looked good was against Vargas in the rematch
Styles make fights and Shane has always struggled to settle into his boxing after a poor start like against Cruz and Wright 1 . Maoyorgas style is ugly and Shane was never gona shine against him unless he had the power to hurt him early like Tito and Oscar . Vernon lacked that 1 shot power and he failed to look good vs Mayorga too .
I say this is nothing new with Shane. It was a poor performance but againsy a style that allows him to box, as we saw vs Collazo he can look sweet as sugar . Last night he went for 1 shot fire power and it almost backfired but the end result was Mosley by impressive K.O.
Stlyes this was never going to be easy for Shane, but what a way to close the Show. ;D
He fights different fighters differently, remember how slow he looked against Vargas? Well I do. I never though he would be able to keep up with Collazo. I think he needs to fight these bigger boys like this. I don't think Mosley is that much worse then he was 5 years ago. People aren't giving enough credit to these other guys, and they are giving Mosley too much credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Right.I think the styles,or lack there of last night played a major role.Granted,Mosley is not the lightning fast accurate phenom he was years ago but adapted against a VERY physical, awkward & much larger brawler last night.In some ways ,he was dealing as much with Mayorgas shoulders,tackles,mashing & clashing style as he was his gloved fist's.He did look to time Mayorgas mistakes a great deal as opposed to coming behind a jab and creating openings but some of those opening were there and inviting already ;D.He closed the show in championship fashion after a very physical fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Im not saying Mosley is reinvented and going to reclaim a Title tomorrow,his tomorrows are limited and he should choose his swan song carefully but he is far from being a downhill ineffective fighter taking beatings..........BUT,he should look elsewhere when it comes to Margarito and a Williams ;D
ive heard someone say shane fights at the pace his opponent does which is kinda true.
The Mosley that boxed and moved against Collazo looked great. Now he just tries to bomb everything.
Mosley tries to beat fighters at their own game. He doesn't box against a slugger, he slugs with them. He boxes against boxers. I don't know why he does it but that's what he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
He looked great against Collazo cause he fought Collazo's style, better than Collazo.
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Originally Posted by luvfightgameMosley tries to beat fighters at their own game. He doesn't box against a slugger, he slugs with them. He boxes against boxers. I don't know why he does it but that's what he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
He looked great against Collazo cause he fought Collazo's style, better than Collazo.
Collazo also broke his hand. But when Shane boxes he looks great he boxed against Vargas and looked super.
well mayorga does fight akward and can make even the best of them fight his fight. i think shane still got a few more left in him i think finishing his career with a last fight againsed odlh!
Good point,Im still trying to figure out what he was doing against Wright?He seemed caught in between styles and could not phase winky in the slightest.Winky has him solved and sorted.Quote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgameMosley tries to beat fighters at their own game. He doesn't box against a slugger, he slugs with them. He boxes against boxers. I don't know why he does it but that's what he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
He looked great against Collazo cause he fought Collazo's style, better than Collazo.
I think Mosley's problem with WInky besides, the fact WInky is winky and Vernon was Vernon is that he has never been a great boxer. He is a really good boxer-puncher, but when Mosley is fighting off his back foot against somebody with a jab I think he has a lot of trouble as do most fighters. Only guys like Leonard, Mayweather, Jones, Hearns, ALi, and Pep have been really effective fighting like this. Mosley needs to transition between movement and offense if he is going backwards, and thats why I think Winky and Forrest controlled him so easily because everytime he tried to come forward they could see it, and halted it with the jab. Thats the one thing I think Oscar didn't do against Mosley that would have allowed him to win the first fight(I felt he won the second fight anyways) He never truly tried to back Mosley up, instead he tried to outbox Mosley, which he did in the second fight.
Quite simple why YOU think SSM looked bad....Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
2 things....
1. Size difference (if you didn't see it your blind)
2. Styles make fights
;)
Anyone who judges SSM on last nights fight is blind IMO.
Was he losing? I didn't see it but I saw that ESPN had Mosley up by three rounds going into the 12th. Not like that's definitive or anything.
I thought this would be an easy fight for Shane
Mayorga came into the ring as a Light Heavyweight...Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
He looked huge compared to SSM.
I had SSM wining and it was a hard fight at times for SMM because of the size difference.
Matter a fact if Mayorga landed more then 5 significant punches throught the fight I'd be surprised... They were far and few.
Where as SSM tagged him and fucken cought him flush but the bigger Mayorga took them like nothing.
I was picking Mayorga By Ko, Atleast I had hoped. But I did say if Mosley boxed him he would get him out of late, But if he brawled Mayorga would Ko him. It looked like my perdiction was right on Q in the first two rounds, Because Mosley looked scared to mix it up and Mayorga hurt him a few times but then Mosly started to box him and Mayorga lost once again to a top fighter..........Oh well shat happens but atleast I get to see Pavlik knock out Hopkins.;D
Until Shane got him late ofcourse . Until then there was no indication that Mosley could take him out like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickMayorga came into the ring as a Light Heavyweight...Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
He looked huge compared to SSM.
I had SSM wining and it was a hard fight at times for SMM because of the size difference.
Matter a fact if Mayorga landed more then 5 significant punches throught the fight I'd be surprised... They were far and few.
Where as SSM tagged him and fucken cought him flush but the bigger Mayorga took them like nothing.
Mayorga has never been layed out like that and hes fought guys like Tito and Oscar . Mayorga said he was surprised how hard Mosley hit him . Youve already mentioned the weight difference so given these facts I duno why people are being so harsh on Shane I think what he did was pretty impressive TBH
Bah Baldomir was 163 against Mayweather weighed in at 149, and Mayweather comprehensively outboxed him over 12 rounds, and Baldomir is a much better schooled fighter than Mayorga, and he still couldn't do anything. Oscar must have weighed in 10-15 pounds heavier then MAyweather as well, and Mayweather totally negated his physical advantages. Roy fought larger LHW's and made them look a lot worse than him like Virgill Hill. I am criticizing Mosley for not fighting those type of fights against Mayorga when he should be able to.
Baldy is a whole lot more predictable than Mayorga plus he hits nowhere near as hardQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Besides Shane knocked Mayorga clean out whereas Floy never came close to dropping Baldimor.
Mosley does what he needs to do to win. He was correctly tentative for the first two rounds while he was figuring out Mayorga's style and judging his power. Mayorga actually fought a very good fight last night. It was probably as as good a performance as he was capable.
Shane didn't have the weapons to look good against Mayorga. Most people don't. ODLH is one of the few, because he has solid, meaningful jab, perfect footwork, and excellent one-shot power - the kind to stun a guy like Mayorga with one punch.
For the first half of the fight, I though Shane looked old, but in hindsight, he was just being tactical. He looked great once he had Mayorga figured out. Then he systematically broke down and KO'd a much, much larger man. Even take the final KO punch. He was dropping righ after right after right on him. Mayorga gets up, and Mosley is throws a Roy Jones-eque lead left hook right on the button - knowing the Mayorga was focused on the right and Mayorga never saw that punch coming.
I wouldn't mind seeing Shane take one more crack a Vernon.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMickQuite simple why YOU think SSM looked bad....Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
2 things....
1. Size difference (if you didn't see it your blind)
2. Styles make fights
;)
Anyone who judges SSM on last nights fight is blind IMO.
Styles do make fights and even a middling boxer takes Mayorga to school. If you didnt see Shane totally neglect his jab and just try and bomb everything you must be blind ;D
Maybe Shane just cannot box and move anymore.
The man flattened him.Out and done.....how much more can you negate someones physical advantages ??? Mayorgas 'skillset' makes Baldo look like a superb ring general.And Hill and Mayorga..... Come on ? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
It's kind of ironic then that the entire HBO team, virtually everyone on here and all the other media 'experts' roundly criticised Floyd's performance against Baldimor as wholly negative and uninspired. I remember Merchant and Steward saying that any truly 'great' fighter would engage with Baldomir and go for the knockout, try and make it entertaining for the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Yet Mosely does exactly that and you think he should have stayed on the outside and boxed Mayorga, giving us another insipid Mayweather Baldimor type fight.
Interesting.......but I think I know what type of fight most fight fans would want to see.:rolleyes:
Oh and one more thing, If Mayorga and Baldomir ever fight, my money is on Mayorga absolutley kicking Baldy's ass :)
Did he neglect his jab in the 10th, 11th, and 12th, particularly the 11th when he snapped Mayorga's head back several times and stopped him in his tracks a couple more times.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickQuite simple why YOU think SSM looked bad....Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
2 things....
1. Size difference (if you didn't see it your blind)
2. Styles make fights
;)
Anyone who judges SSM on last nights fight is blind IMO.
Styles do make fights and even a middling boxer takes Mayorga to school. If you didnt see Shane totally neglect his jab and just try and bomb everything you must be blind ;D
Maybe Shane just cannot box and move anymore.
Mosley has a unique style. He's boxer-puncher, but not a boxer-puncher in the typical mould, like an Arguello, a Pavlik, a Forrest. He's part brawler, but unlike most brawlers, he has defense and counters extremely well. He adapts during fights.
Mosley is who is he is. He hasn't been a "box and move" fighter for almost 10 years.
Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboIt's kind of ironic then that the entire HBO team, virtually everyone on here and all the other media 'experts' roundly criticised Floyd's performance against Baldimor as wholly negative and uninspired. I remember Merchant and Steward saying that any truly 'great' fighter would engage with Baldomir and go for the knockout, try and make it entertaining for the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Yet Mosely does exactly that and you think he should have stayed on the outside and boxed Mayorga, giving us another insipid Mayweather Baldimor type fight.
Interesting.......but I think I know what type of fight most fight fans would want to see.:rolleyes:
Oh and one more thing, If Mayorga and Baldomir ever fight, my money is on Mayorga absolutley kicking Baldy's ass :)
Mayorga would bitch-stomp Baldo.
. . . . and would Floyd have knocked Mayorga cold like Shane did last night ?
No chance .
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Originally Posted by RozzySeanDid he neglect his jab in the 10th, 11th, and 12th, particularly the 11th when he snapped Mayorga's head back several times and stopped him in his tracks a couple more times.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Styles do make fights and even a middling boxer takes Mayorga to school. If you didnt see Shane totally neglect his jab and just try and bomb everything you must be blind ;D
Maybe Shane just cannot box and move anymore.
Mosley has a unique style. He's boxer-puncher, but not a boxer-puncher in the typical mould, like an Arguello, a Pavlik, a Forrest. He's part brawler, but unlike most brawlers, he has defense and counters extremely well. He adapts during fights.
Mosley is who is he is. He hasn't been a "box and move" fighter for almost 10 years.
Shane has/had superb footwork maybe his legs have gone and thats the reason he stands and trades more.
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Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by RozzySeanDid he neglect his jab in the 10th, 11th, and 12th, particularly the 11th when he snapped Mayorga's head back several times and stopped him in his tracks a couple more times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Mosley has a unique style. He's boxer-puncher, but not a boxer-puncher in the typical mould, like an Arguello, a Pavlik, a Forrest. He's part brawler, but unlike most brawlers, he has defense and counters extremely well. He adapts during fights.
Mosley is who is he is. He hasn't been a "box and move" fighter for almost 10 years.
Shane has/had superb footwork maybe his legs have gone and thats the reason he stands and trades more.
I dont think he was standing too much vs Collazo and Vargas the 2nd time and they were only a couple of fights agao . I just think its a case of horses for courses. Mayorga weighed 10lbs more than him and he wanted a K.O . Props to him for fighting the way he did.
At Shanes time of life, expereriance takes over Technique, plus He showed a big pair of Balls in there and Focus Mayorga style wise was a Nightmare. ;D
His footwork is slower, for sure, but he still has great balance. That allows him to stand and trade with guys like Mayorga, make Mayorga miss, and land meaningful, crisp counters. He stays right in the pocket. He has to chose his spots for movement more, of course the legs have slowed. One problem that he had with Cotto is that Cotto keeps great balance in the pocket trading, so he was able it hit Shane in those exchanges and also make Shane miss. That's why Shane had to adjust strategy and it won him a bunch of middle round, until Cotto made is own adjustments. It was a prettier fight to watch because both guys are sound technical fighters and good thinkers in the ring. A young Mosley would have won that fight - look how close old Mosley came!
Mayorga on the other hand, is totally off balance, so it made sense for Shane to stay in the pocket, block, slip, and counter, because you know that Mayorga will always be open at the end of his combos because he's so off-balance and fundamentally unsound. Mosley would have been playing to Mayorga's advantage to be on his bike the whole time. Staying in the pocket and backing Mayorga up with counters won him the fight. It wasn't as pretty and it make Mosley look like an older fighter, but it was the right way to fight Mayorga. That's basically how Oscar took care of him, but Oscar is bigger, has a much better jab, and he has better one shot power. So it happened faster. Same result.