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Excluding ODLH for obvious reasons, has Pac ever been in with anyone that can hit or is as strong as Hatton?
It seems to me a lot of people (including the bookies) have Manny the clear favourite to win this. Personally I feel Hatton has the edge, mostly down to his strength advantage.
Do you think Manny has ever faced an opponent as physically strong as Hatton? JMM pushed Manny as hard as anyone but JMM isn't as strong as Hatton
Simple answer no he hasn't he also hasn't met anyone, with Ricky Hatton's body punching abilities. And Considering Manny Pacquiao was KO'ed with a body shot, i know he was weight drained a young Manny Pacquiao fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
But i would still be interested how Manny Pacquiao takes Ricky Hatton's body punches. I remember in the 2nd JMM fight, Manny Pacquiao was badly hurt from a body shot, and JMM isn't really known as a body puncher and it was only 1 round of body punching assault.
So i would make this fight pretty even and Ricky Hatton has quick feet, so he can close the distance very well. The only problem is that Manny Pacquiao is a much improved boxer.
And his countering abilities have improved greatly so he has the skills, to pick Ricky Hatton apart from the outside. And Ricky Hatton's defence has been very leaky lately especially to left hands. And remember Ricky Hatton has struggled with Southpaws since he was an Amateur.
But it should be a very interesting bout it all depends which fighter, can make it there type of fight.
Yes Ricky is the "strongest" opponent that Pac will have faced.
Ricky's physicality and sometimes reckless aggression will be unlike anything that Pacquaio will have faced before.
However, in opposition to the statement made by Nonito Donaire, he will not be technically the best body puncher that Pacquaio has faced. Erik Morales is.
With this fight, Hatton can win, but not with pure physicality, he must neutralise Pacquaio speed with his own movement and defence before thumping to the body.
Just call me ICB Donny ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
As for the body punching comment i haven't watched there trilogy, in quite sometime but i don't remember Erik Morales doing much work to Manny Pacquiao's body ? i remember Erik Morales fighting a similar fight to JMM except being more aggressive.
JMM hurt pac in the 8th, while pac was trying to wipe the blood from his eye jmm caught him in the body and pac didn't see it coming. It took pacs wind away but pac recovered as soon as the blood stopped coming down on his eyes. That would happen to anybody in that situation but not all would of kept standing let alone survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito DonaireSimple answer no he hasn't he also hasn't met anyone, with Ricky Hatton's body punching abilities. And Considering Manny Pacquiao was KO'ed with a body shot, i know he was weight drained a young Manny Pacquiao fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
But i would still be interested how Manny Pacquiao takes Ricky Hatton's body punches. I remember in the 2nd JMM fight, Manny Pacquiao was badly hurt from a body shot, and JMM isn't really known as a body puncher and it was only 1 round of body punching assault.
So i would make this fight pretty even and Ricky Hatton has quick feet, so he can close the distance very well. The only problem is that Manny Pacquiao is a much improved boxer.
And his countering abilities have improved greatly so he has the skills, to pick Ricky Hatton apart from the outside. And Ricky Hatton's defence has been very leaky lately especially to left hands. And remember Ricky Hatton has struggled with Southpaws since he was an Amateur.
But it should be a very interesting bout it all depends which fighter, can make it there type of fight.
Pacs actually lets oppenent hit him in the body sometimes, his body and chin is as solid as anyone. Can you image anybody else getting hit with all the blows eric,marco,jmm have all landed on pac? hell no, guys like hatton would of been ktfo. Hatton bigger but not stronger. he'll hug and try to be physical but dont mean he stronger, he just bigger. Compare to the three greats, hatton looks soft.
Will do Ice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito DonaireJust call me ICB Donny ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
As for the body punching comment i haven't watched there trilogy, in quite sometime but i don't remember Erik Morales doing much work to Manny Pacquiao's body ? i remember Erik Morales fighting a similar fight to JMM except being more aggressive.
Thats why I see body punching being a problem to Pac.
Although usually forward, Pacquaio is always moving. He's rarely stationary and thats why I feel Erik never consistently landed to the body.
Hatton's going to need his fitness to be as high as the Tszyu night.
On the other hand (pardon the pun,) Hatton took shots from Kostya Tszyu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainJMM hurt pac in the 8th, while pac was trying to wipe the blood from his eye jmm caught him in the body and pac didn't see it coming. It took pacs wind away but pac recovered as soon as the blood stopped coming down on his eyes. That would happen to anybody in that situation but not all would of kept standing let alone survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito DonaireSimple answer no he hasn't he also hasn't met anyone, with Ricky Hatton's body punching abilities. And Considering Manny Pacquiao was KO'ed with a body shot, i know he was weight drained a young Manny Pacquiao fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
But i would still be interested how Manny Pacquiao takes Ricky Hatton's body punches. I remember in the 2nd JMM fight, Manny Pacquiao was badly hurt from a body shot, and JMM isn't really known as a body puncher and it was only 1 round of body punching assault.
So i would make this fight pretty even and Ricky Hatton has quick feet, so he can close the distance very well. The only problem is that Manny Pacquiao is a much improved boxer.
And his countering abilities have improved greatly so he has the skills, to pick Ricky Hatton apart from the outside. And Ricky Hatton's defence has been very leaky lately especially to left hands. And remember Ricky Hatton has struggled with Southpaws since he was an Amateur.
But it should be a very interesting bout it all depends which fighter, can make it there type of fight.
Pacs actually lets oppenent hit him in the body sometimes, his body and chin is as solid as anyone. Can you image anybody else getting hit with all the blows eric,marco,jmm have all landed on pac? hell no, guys like hatton would of been ktfo. Hatton bigger but not stronger. he'll hug and try to be physical but dont mean he stronger, he just bigger. Compare to the three greats, hatton looks soft.
and then hugged him...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyOn the other hand (pardon the pun,) Hatton took shots from Kostya Tszyu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainJMM hurt pac in the 8th, while pac was trying to wipe the blood from his eye jmm caught him in the body and pac didn't see it coming. It took pacs wind away but pac recovered as soon as the blood stopped coming down on his eyes. That would happen to anybody in that situation but not all would of kept standing let alone survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire
Pacs actually lets oppenent hit him in the body sometimes, his body and chin is as solid as anyone. Can you image anybody else getting hit with all the blows eric,marco,jmm have all landed on pac? hell no, guys like hatton would of been ktfo. Hatton bigger but not stronger. he'll hug and try to be physical but dont mean he stronger, he just bigger. Compare to the three greats, hatton looks soft.
He Stopped him ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainand then hugged him...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyOn the other hand (pardon the pun,) Hatton took shots from Kostya Tszyu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
he sure did...and?Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyHe Stopped him ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainand then hugged him...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Kostya is one of my favorite but does he rank up there with eric, marco, and jmm? :-\
So you're saying that Morales, Barrera and JMM hit harder than Hatton? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Hatton may have the edge in strength and size, 'cause remember that 140 is Hatton's weight and has been forever. And also remember that although Pac looked incredibly strong at 147 against DLH, he was still several divisions north of his natural fighting weight. I still think it's nothing short of amazing how Pac went up all those weight divisions and maintained his speed, agility, and brought some power up with him.
But there's a difference between fighting drained, washed-up, all-past-his-prime DLH at 147, and fighting Hatton at his natural weight. I think this (Pac-Hatton) will be a much more competitive fight than was Pac-DLH, but I still give Pac the edge. Hatton may have the size advantage, but Pac has fought guys (JMM, MAB, Morales) with many more skills than Hatton brings to the table.
Well, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainhe sure did...and?Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyHe Stopped him ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Kostya is one of my favorite but does he rank up there with eric, marco, and jmm? :-\
Kostya is rated as perhaps the gretest Light Welter ever and was ranked by many as p4p No.1 when MAB and Erik were in their primes (before Pac fought them.)
Great points Tito!Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Hatton will be the strongest and most powerful-est opponent Pac has faced. It will be harder for Pac as his natural weight should be at lightweight and possibly below, so that he can use his size and power against the smaller fighters. Hatton will take Pac's shots and come back with stronger ones of his own. Pac will survive with his boxing speed and southpaw stance for a while but will get hurt and stopped possibly late by Hatton.
Hattons power is not going to be as effective as what you might think IMO. For power to even be effective its got to land. I believe that will be the problem for Ricky Hatton. Pacquiao's movement from his head to his feet will give Hatton problems all night long. To me speed is more important in this fight than power. Ricky Hatton is powerful but Pacquiao has some stone hands himself. Its not just speed that has stopped so many of Pacquiao's opponets. When Hatton fought Mayweather, he was head hunting all night, not investing in the body at all and I think thats what cost him the fight. With Pacquiao's equally if not more impressive movement I think this fight will end up the same way, except not a one punch knockout. Im going with an 11th round TKO. Winner Manny Pacquiao. I think it will be a very entertaining fight!
Well I think Ricky Hatton has had his day you can't yo-yo your weight so much and still be the same guy. I don't think Mayweather's training style will help him either.
Pacquiao will have to watch out for the clinching and infighting Hatton loves to do. Ricky is going to try and bully Pacquiao and as always I think Manny is going to use his speed and agility to land power punches. Manny has too much speed, too much stamina for Ricky to handle....Ricky's best shot is to make it a rough fight and wear Manny down which he has the ability to do....I just don't know how Ricky is going to take to the southpaw stance vs a guy with fast hands and good power.
oh really now? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyWell, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainhe sure did...and?Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Kostya is one of my favorite but does he rank up there with eric, marco, and jmm? :-\
Kostya is rated as perhaps the gretest Light Welter ever and was ranked by many as p4p No.1 when MAB and Erik were in their primes (before Pac fought them.)
how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice ;D and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy :cool:
well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.
Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera ;)
It's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainoh really now? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyWell, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Kostya is rated as perhaps the gretest Light Welter ever and was ranked by many as p4p No.1 when MAB and Erik were in their primes (before Pac fought them.)
how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice ;D and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy :cool:
well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.
Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera ;)
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.
Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.
As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.
Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.
You could also argue MAB was coming off some of his best wins before he fought Manny Pacquiao. He looked great beating Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Erik Morales 2. And i have to say the 2nd meeting between Erik Morales and MAB wasn't a brutal fight at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyIt's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainoh really now? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice ;D and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy :cool:
well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.
Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera ;)
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.
Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.
As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.
Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.
Infact that was a fight that never caught fire to me, the first 6 rounds were mostly alot of boxing and little action. Then the fight sort of picked up in the last 6 rounds, but it certainly wasn't a brutal fight by any means, infact it was a walk in the park compared to there other 2 fights.
well koysta wasn't just about power. he was awesome to watch because of his accuracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyIt's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainoh really now? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice ;D and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy :cool:
well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.
Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera ;)
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.
Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.
As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.
Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.
I was actually suprise floyd ko'ed ricky, floyd is not well known for his power. Nor is Lazcano but Juan Lazcano was able to hit and nearly put hatton away. Knowing how good a trainer roach is, im sure his going to send pacman out on hatton with a solid game plan. Ok sure pac has not fought at 140, but his speed,stamina and power seem to be there even at 147. Plus he doesn't have to drain himself to make weight anymore. You guys may believe hatton is a devestating body puncher, but is he really? he looked great against pauli but pauli is a soft puncher, hatton could of cared less if pauli caught him with whatever. His going to care and really feel pacs punches though, he probubly wont see them coming nor know where or when they get to him ;D
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Originally Posted by Nonito DonaireYou could also argue MAB was coming off some of his best wins before he fought Manny Pacquiao. He looked great beating Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Erik Morales 2. And i have to say the 2nd meeting between Erik Morales and MAB wasn't a brutal fight at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyIt's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.
Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.
As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.
Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.
Infact that was a fight that never caught fire to me, the first 6 rounds were mostly alot of boxing and little action. Then the fight sort of picked up in the last 6 rounds, but it certainly wasn't a brutal fight by any means, infact it was a walk in the park compared to there other 2 fights.
I really think people buy into that whole myth about "too much war" Jesus Christ, pac is only 30 and he has been in more war then anybody. Seriously have you guyss seen pacs earlier battles before he came to the states. By the time he got to the states he was use to all the wars.
I love Mab i do, but seriously people need to quit with the "too much war" excuses.
When mab first met pac, he only had 2 matches with eric the trilogy came after the pac fight, and he already had several fights after he had his skull surgery, and the camp distraction excuses. Well he didn't do any better in the rematch did he? he just went an extra round longer :-\
Thats right Ice, plus marco already had several fights after he had his surgery. He didn't just had surgery then he fought pac. He already had several fights and won. However the media just found out he had skull surgery right before the pac fight. make sense? :-\
The excuse of "too many war" would be legit if it wasn't against a guy who has the same amount of "war" if not more under his belt. Even Eric Morales said its just a myth.
Actually having re-watched the fight just last night, I can say that isn't true. Hatton did try & go to the body in order to slow Mayweather down, the problem he found was the shoulder roll kept taking the effectiveness of that away. Also that fight was most definitely not a one punch knockout, Hatton went down from an accumulation of punches, and anyone who's watched the fight can see that he couldn't deal with the precision.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
However, even though I will be supporting Hatton, I would still favour Pacquiao in this fight because his speed will keep him away from Hatton on the outside. Also I think Hatton may get caught with flurries in much the same way that Diaz did against him. However, I don't see Hatton getting knocked out, but I think Pacquiao may well drop him at least once. As good as Kostya Tszyu was he was not anywhere near as quick as Pacquiao, and I think if Pacquiao trys to fight smart and not let Hatton get him on the inside than he should box to a UD. Most people watching the fight know Mayweather could have chosen to spend the whole night potshotting as he did against Baldomir, but appeared to fight on the inside to prove a point to Hatton given some of the pre-fight comments. When he did chose to hit him on the outside, the speed & accumulation of punches is what handed Hatton defeat, and Pacquiao can more than match this if boxes smart. However, if Hatton can cut down the ring and keep it on the inside, then the fact Pac's arms are so long will count against him, and Hatton could cause him some problems. However, like I said above I don't see this happening :(
Rains the stuff you quoted in red i didn't say that Donny did. I was actually sort of agreeing with you i wasn't using any excuses. I think you need to read my post again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainQuote:
Originally Posted by Nonito DonaireYou could also argue MAB was coming off some of his best wins before he fought Manny Pacquiao. He looked great beating Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Erik Morales 2. And i have to say the 2nd meeting between Erik Morales and MAB wasn't a brutal fight at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Infact that was a fight that never caught fire to me, the first 6 rounds were mostly alot of boxing and little action. Then the fight sort of picked up in the last 6 rounds, but it certainly wasn't a brutal fight by any means, infact it was a walk in the park compared to there other 2 fights.
I really think people buy into that whole myth about "too much war" Jesus Christ, pac is only 30 and he has been in more war then anybody. Seriously have you guyss seen pacs earlier battles before he came to the states. By the time he got to the states he was use to all the wars.
I love Mab i do, but seriously people need to quit with the "too much war" excuses.
When mab first met pac, he only had 2 matches with eric the trilogy came after the pac fight, and he already had several fights after he had his skull surgery, and the camp distraction excuses. Well he didn't do any better in the rematch did he? he just went an extra round longer :-\
Thats right Ice, plus marco already had several fights after he had his surgery. He didn't just had surgery then he fought pac. He already had several fights and won. However the media just found out he had skull surgery right before the pac fight. make sense? :-\
The excuse of "too many war" would be legit if it wasn't against a guy who has the same amount of "war" if not more under his belt. Even Eric Morales said its just a myth.
Yeah Conrad, we can ignore the DLH fight, it means very little. Sooner or later PAC is going to find himself in too deep with the weight thing. When that will be I'm not sure. Hatton is probably is toughest opponent in that sense, although PAC has fought "better" guys in the p4p sense.
Oh yea back to Mab:
to be exact, his brain surgery was 6 years and 16 fights ago before the first pacquiao match. So that excuse is really not valid.
Just curious Jaz, how does a shoulder roll take the effectiveness of landing a body shot away? Your shoulder protects your chin, not your gut.
Because when PBF does it, he effectively positions his body at a 90 degree angle to his opponent, and used his elbows to protect his gut. Also Joe Cortez reffing that night meant that when he did this, if Hatton went with a body shot with his left, Cortez would pull him up for hitting Mayweather behind the back. So basically whenever Hatton went to the body he would get pulled up on it because of how Mayweather was fighting. Hatton wasn't smart enough on the night to create the angles so he could get his punches in, & Cortez didn't help on this. So yeah that's why in my opinion the shoulder roll meant Hatton could not get in any meaningful work to the body.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
I agree with you ICB. MAB was just coronated as king of the featherweight when he fought Pac. That was after MAB schooled Hamed. People are forgetting this. Pac was fighting MAB who was at his peak.IMO.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito DonaireYou could also argue MAB was coming off some of his best wins before he fought Manny Pacquiao. He looked great beating Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Erik Morales 2. And i have to say the 2nd meeting between Erik Morales and MAB wasn't a brutal fight at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyIt's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.
Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.
As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.
Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.
Infact that was a fight that never caught fire to me, the first 6 rounds were mostly alot of boxing and little action. Then the fight sort of picked up in the last 6 rounds, but it certainly wasn't a brutal fight by any means, infact it was a walk in the park compared to there other 2 fights.
Is hatton pac's most holding opponent yet?
Forgive me ass straight off:
I didnt read any responses here yet.
I think yes: Hatton is definitely the hardest oppent Pac would fight.
PAC schooled dlh, but from a fairly non-biased view dlh was looking pretty zombie that night.
And I am not taking away from Pacquiao. Oscar just didnt have it in him physically that night.
I have never been a fan of Hatton, but that doesnt mean I dont like him. He's a hard, rough, go ahead fighter and anyone who fights him is going to have to buckle down hard and be in their game, because he is a little pitbull even on his off nights.
Hatton detractors can say what they want: but the fact is at 140 he is a physical force. Oscar at 147 wasnt, he was a dead man walking.
I think a number of fighters could have beaten Oscar that night. Not as smooothly as Manny, but they would have beaten Oscar down and ended it before the final bell. The fact that Manny did it moving up was what was spectacular, but it didnt look like DLH had too much fight in him to start out. Whatever was there Pac beat down quickly.
From what I said it may sound like I'd favor hatton against pac. But I dont.
Hatton looked nervous when he saw how thoroughly pacman destroyed oscar.
Ricky had doubt in how he would fare against oscar when it was being talked about, and even though it was a weak oscar that showed up against pacman, hatton still has that fear.
Pac out speeds hatton. Hatton will give a very good fight, but he just wont have it.
However much free money I have that night it's on Pac UD.
Assuming Hatton is able to connect, weight class and power behind his punches then yes he is the biggest and most powerful Pacquiao will have faced inside the ring. Oscar was only 142 at fight time and wasn't able to land anything flush so while he would have been the biggest (not the tallest). You have to remember more power comes with more weight behind it. Had Oscar not overtrained his weight he would have been the biggest. My guess is he was afraid of that 3 million per pound clause over the limit.
Only way Hatton wins this fight is he can get in close otherwise Hatton gets outboxed and out punched. Expect Hatton to come into the fight around 150lbs and Pacquiao two or three pounds less than that. Although there is a good chance Hatton makes the same mistake as DLH and overtrains. I read he is planning 13 weeks training.
Kostya had focus ,timing and big pucussive power from it all put together.
Pac and Mayweather have a sharper faster accumulation style damage that Ricky will find harder to cope with in the later rounds.If he does damage fast in the first 5 rounds he has a hope but I think its a repeat of Floyds style of fight against him and he wont have the patience after all else fails early on.
Kostya fought Rickys fight and even said he would fight his fight from the start so the younger fitter more hungary man deservedly won, these other two mentioned dont fight like that he will find it hard to catch Pac clean once he goes off plan. Im with Pac so long as he doesnt get dragged into a phone box style fight which I dont think he will, so long as hes got the legs he'll use them.
You can't put Ricky Hatton's name in the same sentence with a bum like David Diaz.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinActually having re-watched the fight just last night, I can say that isn't true. Hatton did try & go to the body in order to slow Mayweather down, the problem he found was the shoulder roll kept taking the effectiveness of that away. Also that fight was most definitely not a one punch knockout, Hatton went down from an accumulation of punches, and anyone who's watched the fight can see that he couldn't deal with the precision.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
However, even though I will be supporting Hatton, I would still favour Pacquiao in this fight because his speed will keep him away from Hatton on the outside. Also I think Hatton may get caught with flurries in much the same way that Diaz did against him. However, I don't see Hatton getting knocked out, but I think Pacquiao may well drop him at least once. As good as Kostya Tszyu was he was not anywhere near as quick as Pacquiao, and I think if Pacquiao trys to fight smart and not let Hatton get him on the inside than he should box to a UD. Most people watching the fight know Mayweather could have chosen to spend the whole night potshotting as he did against Baldomir, but appeared to fight on the inside to prove a point to Hatton given some of the pre-fight comments. When he did chose to hit him on the outside, the speed & accumulation of punches is what handed Hatton defeat, and Pacquiao can more than match this if boxes smart. However, if Hatton can cut down the ring and keep it on the inside, then the fact Pac's arms are so long will count against him, and Hatton could cause him some problems. However, like I said above I don't see this happening :(
BTW Hatton smashes Pac.
WTF ??Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Is the Collazo fight the only fight you've seen ? Hatton doesn't come in at that weight whatsoever. He comes in at 140 fight night. You obviousley don't know much about the sport.
Are you sure Lefty? Hatton has to weigh in more on fight night than he does at the weigh in?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
The whole idea is to be water drained in order to get as light as possible. Once re-hydrated I'd guess Hatton weighs in around the 147lb mark on fight night.
Hatton does put on weight after the weigh in not sure how much though but i recon 150lb wont be far from the mark.
Slow down you're embarrasing yourself homie.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeWTF ??Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Is the Collazo fight the only fight you've seen ? Hatton doesn't come in at that weight whatsoever. He comes in at 140 fight night. You obviousley don't know much about the sport.
You could, but then you could just counter saying MAB was about as focused for that fight as Judah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire
How could a fighter perform when the media had just caught wind of his injury and spilled it everywhere?
The Morales v MAB 2 fight was more of a boxing affair than the 2 other rows. I actually felt that fight was the one Erik should have been awarded (I scored the other 2 for Marco) and MAB took a lot of straight rights in that fight.
Kostya was very accurate from range. Under pressure in close he had problems, Hatton availed of this minute flaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
I've always thought Mayweather is underrated in terms of strength. His style doesn't see him put guys away often as he is primarily a defensive fighter, but with guys like Corrales and Corrales we saw him breakdown good fighters and finish them. To some extent we saw this vs. Judah, but Judah famously interrupted this flow with fouls.
Although Pacquiao stopped De la Hoya (durable at Light Middle) I don't think his punch equates to the power we saw at Superfeather.
He beat Oscar on pressure, persistance and surprisingly acuracy.
You could, but then you could just counter saying MAB was about as focused for that fight as Judah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire
How could a fighter perform when the media had just caught wind of his injury and spilled it everywhere?
The Morales v MAB 2 fight was more of a boxing affair than the 2 other rows. I actually felt that fight was the one Erik should have been awarded (I scored the other 2 for Marco) and MAB took a lot of straight rights in that fight.
Kostya was very accurate from range. Under pressure in close he had problems, Hatton availed of this minute flaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
I've always thought Mayweather is underrated in terms of strength. His style doesn't see him put guys away often as he is primarily a defensive fighter, but with guys like Corrales and Corrales we saw him breakdown good fighters and finish them. To some extent we saw this vs. Judah, but Judah famously interrupted this flow with fouls.
Although Pacquiao stopped De la Hoya (durable at Light Middle) I don't think his punch equates to the power we saw at Superfeather.
He beat Oscar on pressure, persistance and surprisingly acuracy.