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Despite Amir Khan’s undoubted talent, he seems to make the same amateurish mistakes over and over and obviously isn’t blessed in the punch-resistance department. Is it reasonable to think that Frank Warren matched him with Barrera to, if he loses, rid himself of a costly white elephant? Perhaps he feels his time and money would be better used with his recent amateur signings?
Thoughts on this theory?
hmm, it's a theory. One you buy in to?
Yeah maybe;)
5 Million invested in Degale, Saunders and Gavin already so......
With the current economy I wouldnt sink that kind of coin in to anyone right now
I think Gavin alone will go much further than Khan ever will and certain other people know too.
Earning another bumper pay day against an all time ring legend at a sold out MEN arena.
Think if you asked john murray whether amir khan was getting a rough ride he`d put you in your place ;D
I remember Khan looking scared and pretty shocked when they announced this.
Thought he didn't want to know at all at the time;)
I think he's just decided to cash in now, either he'll sink or swim, but Frank had to get a big name opponent since Khan is contracted to PPV. Roach seems confident in Khan for this one, it really is do or die IMO.
So are you saying that Frank isn't currently making any money out of Amir Smash?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
I don't really know about the business side but assumed that Warren was pocketing nice tidy sums with his Sky PPV's with Amir taking on softish opponents like Osin Fagin and Michael Gomez etc?
Are you saying that Amir costs him too much?
I guess it's possible, I expect Amir and his entourage probably expect pretty sizeable paychecks already?
It's definitely going to make him a whole lot more money if Khan does beat Barrera, although if Barrera has anything left I think Amir gets KO'd.
Freddie Roach has Taken Pac to 2 wins over Barrera so he knows how to beat Barrera so he must have confidance in his man to pull it off but i keep thinking Breidis Prescott all over again because this is still Marco Antonio Barrera.
Coming off his one round KO and the shaky moments that came prior...yeah you can call it his make or break fight.What ever happens,ecspecially if he wins its..."what a rebound,he's just bested a ring legend and future HOF fighter".If he losses,more of the same but Warren slowly turns to the next big thing & prospect.
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Originally Posted by BilboSo are you saying that Frank isn't currently making any money out of Amir Smash?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
I don't really know about the business side but assumed that Warren was pocketing nice tidy sums with his Sky PPV's with Amir taking on softish opponents like Osin Fagin and Michael Gomez etc?
Are you saying that Amir costs him too much?
I guess it's possible, I expect Amir and his entourage probably expect pretty sizeable paychecks already?
It's definitely going to make him a whole lot more money if Khan does beat Barrera, although if Barrera has anything left I think Amir gets KO'd.
Who knows how much Khan gets per fight, what PPV % and how much Roach's help is costing Warren?
Obviously he's making a profit but how much is unknown.
Wasn't Roach in Juarez's corner against Barrera?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tysonbruno
And as we've all said...Khan ain't Pacquiao. Speed, check, keeps busy, check, angles, no, defence, no, experience no, chin:-X
Amir Khan is probably the most famous boxer in the UK for non-boxing fans. Some of my friends who aren't into boxing knew who Khan was but didn't know much about anyone else. This is probably for 2 reasons. First his Olympic medal at 17 and his exposure on ITV. He was a fighter who non-boxing fans talked about because he was hyped so much. He was then moved to PPV. I went down to the pub with a few mates to watch his fight against Prescott. After the fight people weren't really bothered with him anymore because he was so rubbish.
I think by getting a fight with Barrera, Warren is trying to raise awareness of Khan again. Everyone knew Nazism Hammed and the only person to beat him is Barrera. This makes Barrera quite a big name in the UK to people who don't watch boxing much. If Khan can beat Barrera then people will think he's better than Naz and maybe start following Khan again.
I think it is sink or swim for Khan.
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Sorry for the big writing
I have to say, I'd be very impressed if Khan stops Barrera. And, let's face it some people get "caught." Prescott came out with a gameplan, and I think it could have just as easily been the other way around.
Barrera has no quit in him, so I hope that Khan knows he is going to have to fight a fighter that brings a good variety to the table... of course along with a complete legacy. In reality, Barrera has taken less time off in retirement than some active fighters! I am picking Barrera for this one.
So, to me, Khan losses to the slugger and then to the technician.
Yes, a jab.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFolds
I can only forsee Barrera getting stopped if, he had bad sushi the night before, a biased british ref jumps in as soon as Khan throws a 3-punch combo or allah is seeking revenge after the Naz incident.
Bwahah! LMAO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyYes, a jab.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFolds
I can only forsee Barrera getting stopped if, he had bad sushi the night before, a biased british ref jumps in as soon as Khan throws a 3-punch combo or allah is seeking revenge after the Naz incident.
Yes Khan is gonna get stitched up after the fight. :beatup:
;D
I'm pretty sure Warren gets to renegotiate the terms of Khan's contract if he loses two fights during it.
The chronology went like this :
Khan's first contract finished and Warren offered him a big money second contract to beat out offers from elsewhere.
Khan got starched in 54 seconds. Maybe there was one fight in between signing the contract and Prescott but essentially Khan became worth much less commercially just after he'd signed to Warren for big money. Warren's initial reaction to the sparking was illuminative in this respect.
Khan then does another Sky PPV against an Irish roadsweeper.
Probably the numbers were so bad from that PPV/ticket sales were rubbish so that Warren was stuck with the fact that Khan against a no name isn't going to cut the mustard for Sky PPV customers and paying punters. He can only do it with quality opposition, hence Barrera. And if it's true that Khan's contract can be renegotiated if he loses twice then it's a win-win for Frank. He does a big promotion and makes lots of money. Khan either wins which gives him credibility and makes him worth his contract or he loses and spends the rest of the contract fighting for relative buttons on the undercard of Warren's shows.
The folk who think Barrera has a chance against Kahn are being stitched up. I see a gradual beatdown and a late stoppage.
Of course when that happens i'll give it ten minutes before a 'Barrera is shot' thread appears on here.
Khan will get zero credit for this win from a lot of people because the fight won't even be close.
Barrera believes he can/will win. That's good enough for me.
If by some horror he doesn't it still won't change the fact no one likes Khan and any fighter at lw with a solid punch wrecks his career.
ono, you still don't think Khan has a glass chin, right? ;D
Ok . I'm stealing this.
But this animal has more punch resitance than Khan.
stop being racist missy.
against chickens?
;D
Chickinist.
They have feelings too
and a better chin than Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
FACT.
Its hard to say... was Ricky being fed to the lions in the KT fight ?
was Joe being stuck in with lacy?
they were 2 fights similar to this one IMO where not many gave joe or ricky a chance beforehand and after just put it down to KT being shot and Lacy being overated... but before they met this was never the case.
but lets face it Khan is in no way PPV and should not be PPV even before the loss.... but i'm guessing Warren has spent a packet to get him with SN and needs to cash in somewhere and hats off he's still doing it.
for me matching Khan with Barrera was a masterstroke... he's lighter and shot but unfortunatly for them he looks well up for this fight and i can't see khan winning in this 2 hit fight
Barrara hits Khan
Khan hits the deck
He's not got a great chin. He always seems to get caught high on the temple to be honest but yeah his punch resistance is pretty weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Still offensively he is very good and he'll be too fast for MAB at this stage in his career.
His offense has never been a problem though. Defense combined with shockingly poor punch resistance is the problem.
Maybe he will show a big improvement under Roach second time. I think he'll need too.
Barrera can't be anymore shot than Gomez was and is a hundred times better. If Barrera turns up to win Khan's had it.
Yeah but i don't think the Gomez fight was particularly close nor do i believe that Kahn was in any trouble....maybe other than the body shot he took. There wasn't much in the knockdown...even though Duke MacKenzie tried to make out Kahn was on queer street.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I just think he's got Barrera at the right time. I know all about Kahn's weaknesses and frailties but i still think he has enough about to him to see off Barrera at this stage of his career. Kahn has all the advantages apart from experience, and the speed advantage will be the killer.
I was one of the few that called the PAC-ODLH fight correctly and i see a similar thing happening...albeit slightly more competitive.
I'm glad some on here think it will be close though. Should help Sky with their PPV sales. ;D
Barrera has most likely slid since his heyday. But I don't look at him as a particularly old, shopworn fighter. Even in the loss against Marquez, I think he looked excellent in parts. And against Pac he fought totally within himself, but won rounds when he tried and certainly didn't come near to a repeat KO or an Oscar style quitting. He took some time off and has beaten a couple of bums.
To say that Barrera is ready for the taking or what have you is somewhat odd to me because I see no indication that Barrera is actually shot. Khan is the one with way more question marks about him if we are going to go off recent showings. Judging by the pictures Barrera looks like he is taking this one seriously. He's lost the little belly and looks in great shape, a focussed Barrera will give Khan fits.
I can see Khan coming out and boxing smart for a couple of rounds. But once Barrera has worked him out and lands something meaningful, I can see Khan faltering and getting second thoughts (if he doesn't just crumble that is! ;D).
If ODLH had not gone mental and made the fight at a stupid weight....hindsight. Ah well.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoYeah but i don't think the Gomez fight was particularly close nor do i believe that Kahn was in any trouble....maybe other than the body shot he took. There wasn't much in the knockdown...even though Duke MacKenzie tried to make out Kahn was on queer street.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I just think he's got Barrera at the right time. I know all about Kahn's weaknesses and frailties but i still think he has enough about to him to see off Barrera at this stage of his career. Kahn has all the advantages apart from experience, and the speed advantage will be the killer.
I was one of the few that called the PAC-ODLH fight correctly and i see a similar thing happening...albeit slightly more competitive.
I'm glad some on here think it will be close though. Should help Sky with their PPV sales. ;D
So apart from the jab that wobbled Khan (Barrera has a good jab), the straight right hand (Barrera has a good one) and the hook to the head and body that hurt him (you can see where this is going) Khan has this one stitched up. He just has to avoid getting hit for 12 rounds in every fight. Piece of cake. The boy will go far.
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Originally Posted by onoYeah but i don't think the Gomez fight was particularly close nor do i believe that Kahn was in any trouble....maybe other than the body shot he took. There wasn't much in the knockdown...even though Duke MacKenzie tried to make out Kahn was on queer street.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I just think he's got Barrera at the right time. I know all about Kahn's weaknesses and frailties but i still think he has enough about to him to see off Barrera at this stage of his career. Kahn has all the advantages apart from experience, and the speed advantage will be the killer.
I was one of the few that called the PAC-ODLH fight correctly and i see a similar thing happening...albeit slightly more competitive.
I'm glad some on here think it will be close though. Should help Sky with their PPV sales. ;D
I'm a Saddo Prediction comp champion. Fact. Put that in yer pipe sucker. ;D
If you think this is so easy for Khan you must think he's way above Brit/Euro class? Recently getting knocked sparkout by a fellow prospect in 54 seconds would suggest otherwise ;)
Fenster you are forgetting that Prescott is a bigger puncher than Naz or Pac. FACT
That punch would have created a tsunmai like wave that would have wiped out New York if Khan hadn't manfully put his face in the way and saved us all.
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by onoYeah but i don't think the Gomez fight was particularly close nor do i believe that Kahn was in any trouble....maybe other than the body shot he took. There wasn't much in the knockdown...even though Duke MacKenzie tried to make out Kahn was on queer street.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I just think he's got Barrera at the right time. I know all about Kahn's weaknesses and frailties but i still think he has enough about to him to see off Barrera at this stage of his career. Kahn has all the advantages apart from experience, and the speed advantage will be the killer.
I was one of the few that called the PAC-ODLH fight correctly and i see a similar thing happening...albeit slightly more competitive.
I'm glad some on here think it will be close though. Should help Sky with their PPV sales. ;D
I'm a Saddo Prediction comp champion. Fact. Put that in yer pipe sucker. ;D
If you think this is so easy for Khan you must think he's way above Brit/Euro class? Recently getting knocked sparkout by a fellow prospect in 54 seconds would suggest otherwise ;)
I don't believe in Brit/Euro class as an indicator for Kahn's ability. He's such a mixed bag.
It's a vague expression to say somebody is Euro class. Graham Earl would have surely been classed as euro class, yet Kahn destroyed him. There are certain fights at that level that would be easy for Kahn and certain fights that would be hard (Thaxton, Romanov etc...)
Kahn is just going to be way faster than MAB. That will be the difference.
Kahn has world class qualities and Brit level weaknesses. Unfortunatley for Barrera, in this kind of fight it will be Kahn's world class qualities that will be too much for him imo. :p
and the limmond knock down? local show, uk, euro, world level?
I said he's got domestic level weaknesses and his punch resistance would fall into this category.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
But if you're only going to look at where he has been hurt you should also look at where he has been exceptional offensively....which he has been on numerous occasions.
Then you have to weigh it all up against the strengths of his opponent. Barrera was a very good fighter but Kahn isn't in against the prime version of Barrera. He's up against the Barrera who is probably on par with the Castillo that Hatton fought in 07. It's not a completely shot fighter, but he's also not at his best.
Throw in all the physical advantages that Kahn has and barring Barrera hitting the jackpot, the most likely outcome is a comprehensive victory imo. That's what i'm basing my prediction on. I'm not ignoring Kahn's obvious weaknesses, i just honestly don't see this Barrera being quick and decisive enough to expolit them.
Thing is Khan will have to engage Barrera st some point and i can see it now....
Barrera grins and batters the f*ck out of him.
Khans way, way out of his depth here i'm afraid.
We'll see :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup