FROCH v TAYLOR - 25/4/09 - ITV1 Sunday replay!

This eagerly anticipated matchup for the Cobras WBC Super Middleweight Belt is nearly here....

I think Froch will have Taylors number and expect Taylor to come out fast but Froch's natural strength to tell in the mid rounds with Taylor slowing down then being stopped by the 10th round.

Theres really no way i can see Taylor hurting Froch as i don't think he has that sort of power at 168 and Froch has a proven solid chin, Taylor can grab this on points if he can produce the same skills we know he posseses but rarely shows us (these days) and could literally box Carls head off if he's in the groove from the off.
But Taylors last few fights at the weight have been less than impressive and i for one question his heart when faced with a hungry warrior like Carl Froch who WILL take him into the trenches during this fight.

I predict what could be a contender for fight of the year and can't wait for this one:cool:

In this Corner : Carl Froch 1-on-1

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I've already got 30 of her majestys sterling riding on Froch between round 5 and 10 .
Froch will win this in brilliant style .

He'll become an overnight superstar if he can take JT out in style too and i can really see him grabbing this with both hands and smashing Taylor all over the place.

Think Froch has got the fire in him to really do a number on Taylor and fully expect him to do so.!

I think Taylor's skill and experience will win the day. I believe he will hurt Froch with punches and Froch will be picking himself up from the canvas at least once.

Taylor seems very determined and people dont seem to be giving him credit for his power.

I wouldnt be surprised if Taylor wins by TKO in the later rounds but I see this as a clear unanimous decision victory for Bad Intentions....

I doubt he'll become an overnight superstar. This fight doesn't seem to be getting much attention over here.

The good news for Froch is - if he loses at least no one will see it. ;D

Taylor is the more skillfull of the 2, Froch is far from a pretty boxer. But i question whether Taylor can go 12 rounds at the relentless pace Froch will force upon him.

With this granite chin of his hes guna give Taylor no time to breath and Taylor tires and grinds to a halt these days.

But Froch has to be careful, Taylor will win the early rounds and Froch needs to make sure Taylor doesnt win TOO many of them just incase he cant take him out.

Infact if it goes the distance it will be a repeat of the Pascal fight scoring wise. Pascal kept up with Froch, infact I had him up after 5 and only when he tired did Froch begin to rack up the rounds. But Taylor if the same happens will win most if not all the 1st 5.

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Taylor is the more skillfull of the 2, Froch is far from a pretty boxer. But i question whether Taylor can go 12 rounds at the relentless pace Froch will force upon him.

With this granite chin of his hes guna give Taylor no time to breath and Taylor tires and grinds to a halt these days.

But Froch has to be careful, Taylor will win the early rounds and Froch needs to make sure Taylor doesnt win TOO many of them just incase he cant take him out.

Infact if it goes the distance it will be a repeat of the Pascal fight scoring wise. Pascal kept up with Froch, infact I had him up after 5 and only when he tired did Froch begin to rack up the rounds. But Taylor if the same happens will win most if not all the 1st 5.

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Would you consider Froch a bigger puncher than Pavlik? Taylor is no rookie to dealing with power and a relentless style.. He had pavlik out on his feet.. Taylor by UD, or EARLY stoppage.. Strange prediction, i know, but Taylor doesn't carry his power too well into the later rounds.. if he stops Froch it will be in the first half of the fight.. otherwise it will go to the cards with Taylor holding on for the last 2-3 rounds..

I''ll be very surprised if Froch gets a decision in Taylor's backyard.

Taylor has a big speed advantage. He'll be bombing eye-catching crowd-whoopers, especially early doors, onto Froch's bonce, which will influence the judges greatly.

Froch has to stop him. I doubt he can do that unless Taylor fades badly.

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I''ll be very surprised if Froch gets a decision in Taylor's backyard.

Taylor has a big speed advantage. He'll be bombing eye-catching crowd-whoopers, especially early doors, onto Froch's bonce, which will influence the judges greatly.

Froch has to stop him. I doubt he can do that unless Taylor fades badly.

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I'm going with the fenster on this one. He's prediction champion for a reason (reason being because i didn't enter ;D)

Anyway i see Taylor starting with a point to prove and outboxing Froch for the first few. Then it will all depend on whether or not Taylor folds when he gets tagged. I'd say Froch has quite a bit more power than Pavlik and clearly has a better chin so the only way for Taylor to win is to stay out of trouble and use his speed and ring smarts for 12 rounds. Should be quite gripping.

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I''ll be very surprised if Froch gets a decision in Taylor's backyard.

Taylor has a big speed advantage. He'll be bombing eye-catching crowd-whoopers, especially early doors, onto Froch's bonce, which will influence the judges greatly.

Froch has to stop him. I doubt he can do that unless Taylor fades badly.

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It isn't really Taylor's backyard - Taylor is from Arkansas and the fight is in Connecticut. As anyone from the US will tell you, there is a big difference between Arkansas and Connecticut; I imagine it is comparable to the difference between Cardiff and London. For example, to the extent Calzaghe would have a hometown advantage versus a foreign fighter in London, Taylor, will have that same advantage (perhaps to a lesser extent because Calzaghe is bigger in Britain than Taylor is in the US), in Connecticut versus Froch. Of course, the crowd will be pro-Taylor (you can count on that from at least one spectator ;)), but more because of his notoriety than because of a specific allegiance to Taylor.

That said, I agree Froch has to stop him because Taylor will win more rounds due to his advantages in speed. Look at the evidence: besides his second fight with Pavlik, in which Pavlik was the rising superstar and coming off a highlight reel KO, Taylor has never lost a fight on the cards even when the challengers gave good efforts (Hopkins, Spinks etc). In order to win on the cards, Froch needs to show Taylor his power in the early rounds, gain Taylor's respect, much like KP was able to do in Pavlik v. Taylor II, and then hustle and win the last few rounds. Does he have the power to gain Taylor's respect? Maybe.

Personally, I'm not sold yet on Froch's chin and power. For Froch, clearly a chin is essential because his defense is abysmal. He couldn't knock out Pascal. Why should we be convinced of his power? Who has he knocked out that has a reputable chin (that wasn't meant to be rhetorical)? Pavlik's power is widely heralded and proved - he was the first person to knock out both Miranda and Taylor.

Taylor has the advantages in speed, experience, and fight location. The safe pick is Taylor.

Interesting fact: Froch was beat by Denis Inkin in the amateurs.

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I''ll be very surprised if Froch gets a decision in Taylor's backyard.

Taylor has a big speed advantage. He'll be bombing eye-catching crowd-whoopers, especially early doors, onto Froch's bonce, which will influence the judges greatly.

Froch has to stop him. I doubt he can do that unless Taylor fades badly.

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It isn't really Taylor's backyard - Taylor is from Arkansas and the fight is in Connecticut. As anyone from the US will tell you, there is a big difference between Arkansas and Connecticut; I imagine it is comparable to the difference between Cardiff and London. For example, to the extent Calzaghe would have a hometown advantage versus a foreign fighter in London, Taylor, will have that same advantage (perhaps to a lesser extent because Calzaghe is bigger in Britain than Taylor is in the US), in Connecticut versus Froch. Of course, the crowd will be pro-Taylor (you can count on that from at least one spectator ;)), but more because of his notoriety than because of a specific allegiance to Taylor.

That said, I agree Froch has to stop him because Taylor will win more rounds due to his advantages in speed. Look at the evidence: besides his second fight with Pavlik, in which Pavlik was the rising superstar and coming off a highlight reel KO, Taylor has never lost a fight on the cards even when the challengers gave good efforts (Hopkins, Spinks etc). In order to win on the cards, Froch needs to show Taylor his power in the early rounds, gain Taylor's respect, much like KP was able to do in Pavlik v. Taylor II, and then hustle and win the last few rounds. Does he have the power to gain Taylor's respect? Maybe.

Personally, I'm not sold yet on Froch's chin and power. For Froch, clearly a chin is essential because his defense is abysmal. He couldn't knock out Pascal. Why should we be convinced of his power? Who has he knocked out that has a reputable chin (that wasn't meant to be rhetorical)? Pavlik's power is widely heralded and proved - he was the first person to knock out both Miranda and Taylor.

Taylor has the advantages in speed, experience, and fight location. The safe pick is Taylor.

Interesting fact: Froch was beat by Denis Inkin in the amateurs.

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You know what I mean.

Wherever the fight was taking place in the UK it would be labled Froch's "backyard." When really only Nottingham is. ;)

Does any one know if Froch has ever been wobbled or down in a fight?

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Does any one know if Froch has ever been wobbled or down in a fight?

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Never down. Ive seen him stopped in his tracks but never looking in the slightest bit wobbly.

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Does any one know if Froch has ever been wobbled or down in a fight?

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Never down. Ive seen him stopped in his tracks but never looking in the slightest bit wobbly.

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very good point fenst about it not getting much attention, saying that checking the listings i dont even think its being shown over here at all :mad::mad::mad:

Feel bad for frochy as he deserves better than that and will no doubt i`ll somehow find a way to watch the fight sunday morning and cheer him on to what i suspect will indeed be a hard earned points victory!!

Taylor has the power and the reach but carls just too clever a fighter for the likes of jermain.

Froch taking either a 116-112 or a 117-111

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Does any one know if Froch has ever been wobbled or down in a fight?

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Never down. Ive seen him stopped in his tracks but never looking in the slightest bit wobbly.

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very good point fenst about it not getting much attention, saying that checking the listings i dont even think its being shown over here at all :mad::mad::mad:

Feel bad for frochy as he deserves better than that and will no doubt i`ll somehow find a way to watch the fight sunday morning and cheer him on to what i suspect will indeed be a hard earned points victory!!

Taylor has the power and the reach but carls just too clever a fighter for the likes of jermain.

Froch taking either a 116-112 or a 117-111

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HMMM...interesting - So that would make Carl more clever than Bernard Hopkins??:rolleyes:

There is no way Carl will be too clever for Taylor. Froch's only chance of beating Taylor is to wear him down and beat him up but with Froch's shaky defense and with Taylor seemingly more determined and training harder than ever I dont see it happening.....

I dunno if this victory makes Froch an overnight success either. Even Jermain Taylor says that when he tells people he is training for Froch they always ask him "Who is Carl Froch?" so that it is a little embarrassing.

i am so confident of a froch victory i have put a mighty £5 on him winning;D

I'm sorry but I don't know where the evidence to show Froch has a 'granite chin' is coming from. Who has tested him to back up this statement? Yeah, the Pascal fight was a right old ding dong but I put that down to both fighters having shocking defenses and Pascal wasn't exactly a KO artist en route to facing Froch was he? I've seen Froch fight numerous times on TV since his 8th professional bout and on more than two occasions he's been rocked by blown up light middleweights - not exactly a case for a 'granite chin' in my opinion

It sounds like all the fanboys and casual UK observers are falling for the old promoter/trainer hype.

Froch makes me laugh. He's criticised other fighters for not taking/getting the big fights all his career and he's finally facing a genuine world class opponent at the ripe old age of 31. I'd like to throw my support behind a fellow Brit but I neither respect Froch as a person or like his style of fighting.

Further to my last. Froch is just another Witter - all showboat and posing but no defense and he too will be exposed everytime he steps up to world level.

Bad Intentions to win UD or a late KO.

Taylor UD.

Its going to be a tough fight for Taylor as down the years Froch has always come across as one of those fighters that 'finds a way' imo. One of his strengths is adapting during fights and I don't think he's the type who will be overawed, although he's obviously never been in a situation like this before.

That said, Taylor has the talent and the experience to take the fight. He'll have to pace himself well and Froch isn't to be underestimated but I like Taylor at 168. I've got a feeling he's going to put on a bit of a show and hopefully set up a future fight with Kessler - Its OK to dream ;)

I'm still coming to terms with UK TV debacle! It must be one of the worst fighter/promoter decisions in recent times to go down the online PPV route. If I were in their shoes I'd have given it away to the Beeb or ITV for free rather than this. I'd be suprised if 5,000 buy it! Such a shame.

1st post. Hello :cool:

Froch is going to get the beating of his life. It's going to be Calzaghe/Lacy all over again with the nationalities reversed. Well, it won't be that bad, but will be close to that than, say, Tim Bradley vs Junior Witter.

Taylor is going to tattoo Froch with right hands ALL NIGHT. That low left hand will be his downfall. He's not quick enough to pull that off against would class fighters. The Pascal fight showed that clearly. Taylor is every bit as fast as Pascal, and on top of that, he can punch. He's not the biggest puncher, but he hits harder than Pascal. At some point, Froch will either go into survival mode and start looking for one big punch, or Taylor will stop him. Taylor is coming Either way, he looses. I reckon Froch will win a few rounds and it may be a close fight for the first six rounds, but Taylor will eventually outclass him. This is such a huge step up for Froch it isn't funny.

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I'm sorry but I don't know where the evidence to show Froch has a 'granite chin' is coming from. Who has tested him to back up this statement?

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Exactly!

The only decent punch I think iv seen Froch take was that big wild overhand right that Reid landed, Frochs head was smacked back but Reid threw that so desperately I doubt there was any real clout on it and as for Pascal, look at his KO percentage then look who its against;D

I can see Froch getting caught and hurt then holding and making it a very ugly fight, if Taylor can get a nice sharp start hes going to make Froch look like the inexperienced old man he is;D

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I dunno if this victory makes Froch an overnight success either. Even Jermain Taylor says that when he tells people he is training for Froch they always ask him "Who is Carl Froch?" so that it is a little embarrassing.

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Dissagree!
Froch IS a virtual unknown and if he scalps Taylor in his first defence and in Taylors back yard then the boxing world will sit up and take to Froch instantly. (Everyone loves an underdog)
Let's not forget that the US public were desperate for Pavlik to be the new "Great White Hope" until Hopkins spoiled it for him.
Fact is that the US are still desperate for their own Calzaghe (undefeated white reigning champ) which was what Pavlik was supposed to be so if Carl does the buisness of course they're gonna latch onto him like one of their own;)
Froch will be in a very handsome negotiating position if he spanks down JT on Sat.
Beating Taylor in style on his own turf is still a massive scalp and it won't be easy at all.
Taylor has the better natural skills and is way quicker than anyone Froch has faced before but Carl is so awkward to fight against and will be huge at the weight and i just see him weathering Taylor in the first 4 or 5 then forcing him back and landing heavy blows.
I think he'll break Taylors heart simply because JT can't knock him out and start to ware him down and get a stoppage around the 10th and if he can do it i'd also expect Froch to base himself in the US from now on and who could blame him after no UK TV channel will be showing Saturdays fight.

ITV1 will be showing a delayed replay on Sunday 26th.

The Boxing Blog - Times Online - WBLG: ITV to show Froch v Taylor fight on Sunday

8.30pm ITV4

11.15pm ITV1

Shame it's shown so late. If it was Sunday morning I would have swerved the result. :-\

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I dunno if this victory makes Froch an overnight success either. Even Jermain Taylor says that when he tells people he is training for Froch they always ask him "Who is Carl Froch?" so that it is a little embarrassing.

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Dissagree!
Froch IS a virtual unknown and if he scalps Taylor in his first defence and in Taylors back yard then the boxing world will sit up and take to Froch instantly. (Everyone loves an underdog)
Let's not forget that the US public were desperate for Pavlik to be the new "Great White Hope" until Hopkins spoiled it for him.
Fact is that the US are still desperate for their own Calzaghe (undefeated white reigning champ) which was what Pavlik was supposed to be so if Carl does the buisness of course they're gonna latch onto him like one of their own;)
Froch will be in a very handsome negotiating position if he spanks down JT on Sat.
Beating Taylor in style on his own turf is still a massive scalp and it won't be easy at all.
Taylor has the better natural skills and is way quicker than anyone Froch has faced before but Carl is so awkward to fight against and will be huge at the weight and i just see him weathering Taylor in the first 4 or 5 then forcing him back and landing heavy blows.
I think he'll break Taylors heart simply because JT can't knock him out and start to ware him down and get a stoppage around the 10th and if he can do it i'd also expect Froch to base himself in the US from now on and who could blame him after no UK TV channel will be showing Saturdays fight.

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I agree that beating Taylor will do tons for boosting Froch's name recognition. He will have beat a big-name former world champion. At or around that weight class, the only bigger names still in the game are Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins. Bute and Kessler should line up to fight him.

I disagree that american fight fans will suddenly adopt Froch as the greatest ever if he beats Jermain because he is a "great white hope." Pavlik was liked because he knocked out people and was humble doing it. He wasn't brash and arrogant like PBF or provocative like Hopkins. He reminded the average citizen in middle america of an ordinary guy. Take for example, the huge reception for Fernando Guerrero recently on FNF in Salisbury, Maryland. The largely white crowd rooted for Guerrero because he was a polite, local guy. For the same reason Maliggnaggi doesn't enjoy a big following outside of Staten Island because he comes off as a jerk. Moreover, most americans still don't acknowlege Calzaghe's greatness even after he came here and beat our best. And he is a Welsh Italian. If Froch wins over the american public, it won't be because we are looking for the next "great white hope."

froch will know by the middel rounds that taylor cant hurt him and turn up the attack and ko him around the 9th.

I will be looking for Taylor to stop Carl "whoever that guy is" Froch. JT is going to beat him to the punch over and over. There is just too much riding on this fight for JT to lose. He is so dedicated and determined this guy is gonna need to bring on the plaster fists!

And to all the Hopkins nut huggers (cough, cough)... Froch and 41 year old Hopkins (JT/BHop) had very little in common. For one Froch with throw more than 300 punches in a 12 round fight. Cleverness alone doesn't win this fight. Works for scattegories really well, though.

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Froch is going to get the beating of his life. It's going to be Calzaghe/Lacy all over again with the nationalities reversed. Well, it won't be that bad, but will be close to that than, say, Tim Bradley vs Junior Witter.

Taylor is going to tattoo Froch with right hands ALL NIGHT. That low left hand will be his downfall. He's not quick enough to pull that off against would class fighters. The Pascal fight showed that clearly. Taylor is every bit as fast as Pascal, and on top of that, he can punch. He's not the biggest puncher, but he hits harder than Pascal. At some point, Froch will either go into survival mode and start looking for one big punch, or Taylor will stop him. Taylor is coming Either way, he looses. I reckon Froch will win a few rounds and it may be a close fight for the first six rounds, but Taylor will eventually outclass him. This is such a huge step up for Froch it isn't funny.

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this post just got me so pumped for the fight that i wish it was saturday already..

A lot of people discredit JT's power because of his KO %.. He's a TERRIBLE finisher, but he really does have the power to hurt anyone.. He slings those right hands, and his jab is a lazer.. As i posted previously, if his defense is as good as it was against Pavlik in their second fight, he will jab Froch's face off.. followed by those slinging right hands.. I've been let down by JT after the first Pavlik fight because he couldn't finish the KO, and his defense was so lackluster.. but his improvement was so visible that there is a lot of hope for him to be elite.. He just has to stay calm and not gas out, and be disciplined and patient with his defense.. everything else will unfold itself..

I just watched the Pacal/Froch fight again and Froch is very hittable and carries his hands pretty low...........I am more convinced than ever that Taylor will stop Froch.......

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Froch is going to get the beating of his life. It's going to be Calzaghe/Lacy all over again with the nationalities reversed. Well, it won't be that bad, but will be close to that than, say, Tim Bradley vs Junior Witter.

Taylor is going to tattoo Froch with right hands ALL NIGHT. That low left hand will be his downfall. He's not quick enough to pull that off against would class fighters. The Pascal fight showed that clearly. Taylor is every bit as fast as Pascal, and on top of that, he can punch. He's not the biggest puncher, but he hits harder than Pascal. At some point, Froch will either go into survival mode and start looking for one big punch, or Taylor will stop him. Taylor is coming Either way, he looses. I reckon Froch will win a few rounds and it may be a close fight for the first six rounds, but Taylor will eventually outclass him. This is such a huge step up for Froch it isn't funny.

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this post just got me so pumped for the fight that i wish it was saturday already..

A lot of people discredit JT's power because of his KO %.. He's a TERRIBLE finisher, but he really does have the power to hurt anyone.. He slings those right hands, and his jab is a lazer.. As i posted previously, if his defense is as good as it was against Pavlik in their second fight, he will jab Froch's face off.. followed by those slinging right hands.. I've been let down by JT after the first Pavlik fight because he couldn't finish the KO, and his defense was so lackluster.. but his improvement was so visible that there is a lot of hope for him to be elite.. He just has to stay calm and not gas out, and be disciplined and patient with his defense.. everything else will unfold itself..

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Right, JT's #1 problem in the right is that he is a hyper figher and that effects his ability to think clearly and use his brain to finish rather than just go all out and punch himself tired. I've said this before (and I'm a Pavlik fan) that if Taylor had Pavlik's instincts for finishing, Pavlik would have been a 2nd round KO victim. Taylor looked has looked much more relaxed with his old trainer back, he has fixed his own problem with a sloppy left .

Pavlik had faced much better competition when he faced Taylor than Froch as faced to this point. Pavlik had been down against a guy who could really punch, got off the canvas, and knocked him out later. I don't see a 31 year old, overprotected Carl Froch having the ability to recover once he gets in real trouble.

People want to knock Taylor's power, but look at what he did to Pavlik. Yeah, Ouma, who has an unreal chin, took his abuse for 12 rounds while being totally outclassed. Wright, Hopkins, and Spinks are all extremely gifted defensive fighers. Spinking is 10x quicker and more skillful than anybody Froch has faced. None of those guys are easy to hit flush.

Frock is hittable. Even fans admit that much. The only way Froch fans can justify favoring Froch in this one is by saying that Jermaine can't punch and won't be able to hurt mighty Carl. Carls best punch is the most easily countered in boxing. He's at a disadvantage in speed, skill, defense, and experience. If Froch has a power advantage it is minimal. So to pick Froch, you need to bet on Taylor having no chin, no heart, and no workrate. Those are the only chances for Carl to win - to hits harder, to works harder, or to wants it more. Those don't add up to the checks in JT's column.

Froch overprotected? Come on now, that's ridiculous.

He turned pro at 26. In the last year he's had Inkin pulling out of fights AND Taylor's own promoter admitting Froch is too dangerous for too little reward before he won the title.

He is now the CHAMPION going into Taylor's backyard. If not the fight doesn't happen. Guys like Taylor NEVER leave their comfort zone for anything.

Froch may well get outclassed and slaughtered - but lacking in balls he most certainly is NOT!!!

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Froch overprotected? Come on now, that's ridiculous.

He turned pro at 26. In the last year he's had Inkin pulling out of fights AND Taylor's own promoter admitting Froch is too dangerous for too little reward before he won the title.

He is now the CHAMPION going into Taylor's backyard. If not the fight doesn't happen. Guys like Taylor NEVER leave their comfort zone for anything.

Froch may well get outclassed and slaughtered - but lacking in balls he most certainly is NOT!!!

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You can debate whether or not it's Froch's fault, but he just hasn't had a great class of competition. You can't blame him for Inkin pulling out, no, but it doesn't change the fact this this will be Froch's first world class opponent. With 4 years of pro boxing and 22 fights, Taylor fought Hopkins. Since then, he has fought Hopkins again, Pavlik twice, and Winky Wright. Forget about the welterweights and Jeff Lacy, that's world class competition.

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Froch overprotected? Come on now, that's ridiculous.

He turned pro at 26. In the last year he's had Inkin pulling out of fights AND Taylor's own promoter admitting Froch is too dangerous for too little reward before he won the title.

He is now the CHAMPION going into Taylor's backyard. If not the fight doesn't happen. Guys like Taylor NEVER leave their comfort zone for anything.

Froch may well get outclassed and slaughtered - but lacking in balls he most certainly is NOT!!!

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You can debate whether or not it's Froch's fault, but he just hasn't had a great class of competition. You can't blame him for Inkin pulling out, no, but it doesn't change the fact this this will be Froch's first world class opponent. With 4 years of pro boxing and 22 fights, Taylor fought Hopkins. Since then, he has fought Hopkins again, Pavlik twice, and Winky Wright. Forget about the welterweights and Jeff Lacy, that's world class competition.

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Right.. but the difference is Taylor is American. He's had much more oppotunities to make big fights. Non US based fighters have to travel to get any recognition, otherwise they are labeled "overprotected," even if the big American name refuses to fight them.

Taylor CHOSE to fight Lacy for MONEY instead of Froch for the WBC title (smart). Even as CHAMPION Froch has travelled to make the fight.

He deserves credit for that. ;)

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Which heavy handed fighter has proven Carls chin?

The only reason Carl hasnt hit the deck yet is because he hasnt fought any world class fighters yet:rolleyes:;D

Carl couldnt hurt Magee till late, Reid had him down whenever he connected;D

Pascal was badly hurt in his previous fight but Carl couldnt persuad him to not fight reckless:rolleyes:

Im not rating Taylor, just fed up of reading presumptions on Carls part, he hasnt got a proven chin and hasnt got a proven punch all because he hasnt mixed in world class yet and fighting a fading middle weight wont prove his own powers at supermiddle either;D

Give Froch credit for coming over to the US to fight Taylor. It is more than a lot of European fighters do and it is more than some do over their whole careers.

For Froch to win Taylor needs to slow down in the later rounds. Fortunately for Froch, Taylor frequently slows down as the fight goes on.

The other thing Froch must hope for is that he can walk through Taylor's punches. He won't know that until after the fight begins. He has an unproven chin. This fight will show what it is made of on the international level. Taylor isn't a Pavlik when it comes to power, but he isn't feather fisted either.

I've read that Froch has an "awkward" style. Can anyone comment on what that means?

Nice one ITV. Now for avoiding the score. No phone, no internet, no telly until 8.30pm. I will have to climb Scafell it seems.

Carl should insist this be shown on ITV1 at a peak time. In the long term he will make more money with this exposure.

There is nothing at all Carl can do though, he has to take it on the chin like all of us with the TV scandal. Its a complete joke, do ITV actually think I can last until 8 30 the next day to see the fight?!?!?!?!? I CERTAINLY CAN NOT ! i will pay money on a stream if I have to, I am not missing this fight !!! I know we will find a stream between us.

I am confident Carl is going to do this though, crunch time for Carl and he knows if he loses this fight thats it for him. That will be a large incentive to him and I know hes going to beat jermain ;)

ITV should be showing this live. They could have advertised it on their own channels and got a lot of interest from the casual fans.

I agree with you Tam, waiting till the next day to watch the fight is shit, it's not the same watching a fight live.