My take on Froch - Taylor...

This fight panned out exactly how I thought it would of done in that Taylor would establish a strong lead and then start to feel the pace after the sixth round. The fight changed at that point and I had the fight even going into the last round.

Well done to Jermain Taylor, I thought he started the fight really well but he really was going to find a strong 168 fighter too much in the final rounds and I knew the knockout was going to come. I admit Carl did take a lot of shots, but with his granite chin he got straight back into the fight and after the knockdown he gained his composure straight away. I think Froch did really well to change his game plan by upping the pace when he knew Taylor would struggle, the later rounds were the key to the fight and I knew Carl would take him at the end.

Very well done to Carl Froch, he really has proved that he is the man to beat at 168. Not many champs for their first ever defence would go over to face Jermain Taylor on foreign soil without any television rights. I respect Carl Froch so much for that and he dug deep when he needed to and showed that he really is a world class champion. I was very pleased that Carl kept a disaplined game plan in rounds 11 and 12 and that was the difference in the two men in the end. Carl had the bigger heart and wanted it more and big respect for Carl for doing that.

I think Jermain would give problems to ANY 168 fighter in the early parts of the fight. But he simply has to work on his stamina because he cant afford to lose championship rounds like he did against Froch. I really question what lies ahead for Taylor now, I do seem him causing problems early on but I think this third loss will really effect him in the long run and I cant see him having that burning desire again to be champion. At 30 years old its a tough time for him and I wish him luck!

For Carl Froch I believe this fight really has established himself as the man at 168. I remember before most of you even watched Carl, Bilbo called him the 'dark horse' of the weightclass. He really did prove that tonight againt Taylor and I cant wait to see him in his next fight. At 31 I really hope he goes straight for unification, Bute is the fight that makes sense to me. Allan Green will be a step backwards from Taylor IMO. Bute is what he needs to set up a fight against Kessler to really sort this weight class out.

The performance of Carl Froch early on in the fight can be critized, he was wide open when he lunged in with wild shots and Taylor capitilzed fully on that. Going into the 5th round I had Taylor ahead on every single round and with the knockdown he was up six points IMO. Froch changed his game plan, like he did against Pascal and with so much applied pressure, which Jermain Taylor couldnt take I knew he would clock up the rounds and the late stoppage I felt prior to the fight would be on the cards IF carl made it past the first half of the fight.

Correct many of you are that Taylor did have stamina issues, but none the less he is a very gifted fighter and I dont think that was the main reason why Carl won the fight. Carl diversifed to the next level and at a higher weight class I dont think Taylor could take the pressure. Sustained pressure was appiled after the 6th and it built up into the championship rounds for Carl to take the victory. Me and a few others in this forum realise what Carl brings to the table and I hope that performance against Jermain Taylor will open some of the arrogant eyes we have on this forum towards Carl Froch. He proved tonight that he is a world class fighter, he will be the man when he continues to win big named fights like this. This is the start for Carl Froch and you will see that he really will be number one in the weight class in the very near future.

As for a rematch I simply dont agree, there would be nothing to gain for Froch apart from a payday against Taylor. I see the fight ending the way it did 9/10 against Taylor. Taylor needs to move on, Froch needs to keep chasing the big names.

Well done Carl, you've proved the boxing world wrong and I am chuffed for you mate! You are a true champion my son and you dont understand how proad I am for you! 09 is the year of the cobra, mark my words Bute has it in for him if he has the balls to fight Carl.

How long have we been telling people that the Cobra is for real Tam..?

2/3 years i reckon.

Showed what he's all about and that was a brilliant display of Bulldog spirit:cool:

Never doubted he'd beat Taylor for a second and i knew he'd take him from the end of the tenth (Taylor looked distressed and beaten sitting their) but fuck me he left it late.

I thought JT was superb last night for the record and it took Carl ages to get in range without getting clipped in the process.

Great nights work from Froch and he's gonna make serious money from now on..(he got just £480,000) last night:o

Yes mate, its taken a while but hes certainly proved his worth last night. I have had a smile on my face all day, Im so happy! We knew exactly how the fight would end smash, how right ( apart from out round 10 call ) we were ;D

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Carl did take a lot of shots, but with his granite chin he got straight back into the fight and after the knockdown he gained his composure straight away

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No, stop saying it!!!

He does not have a granite chin!!

Taylor wasnt even a massive puncher at middle!!

I come from Guernsey and our island is built on the hardest Blue granite in the world, to say Carls chin compares absolutely disgusts me;D

Also, he didnt gain his composure straight away Calzaghe like.

He slumped to the floor, had a terrified look on his face and looked to McCracken for a clue then had to stay down a bit to tryt and get his head to clear, then Taylor stands off for the rest of the round.

Whereas good recouperative powers are Calzaghe getting up and stopping his opponent in the same round or making the round even by totally outworking the opponent;)

Just remember, it wasnt even a ranked supermiddle he was fighting that dropped him;D

Great fight. I had him losing until the ko. I had virtually the same score as the announcer for Showtime. Good for Froch, but I felt that Taylor kind of gave it away and should have boxed the last round. I think a rematch would be good.

Froch looked very slow in that fight, but great chin and spirit. Overall a great night of boxing.

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Great fight. I had him losing until the ko. I had virtually the same score as the announcer for Showtime. Good for Froch, but I felt that Taylor kind of gave it away and should have boxed the last round. I think a rematch would be good.

Froch looked very slow in that fight, but great chin and spirit. Overall a great night of boxing.

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exactly how i saw it, IMO Taylor was dominating up to the 7th and then it was following the pattern of Froch starting to take the rounds early and Taylor coming from behind to steal them, i had Froch winning the 9th,10th, and 11th rounds straight but Taylor looked gassed and had stopped using his jab, i have no idea why he quit using his jab cause it looked beautiful last night, and then Froch was able to capitalize, honestly if Taylor would have made it out the 12th, even with the knockdown in the final round, IMO he would have won 8 rounds to 4 each with a kd.

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

Carl did take a lot of shots, but with his granite chin he got straight back into the fight and after the knockdown he gained his composure straight away

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No, stop saying it!!!

He does not have a granite chin!!

Taylor wasnt even a massive puncher at middle!!

I come from Guernsey and our island is built on the hardest Blue granite in the world, to say Carls chin compares absolutely disgusts me;D

Also, he didnt gain his composure straight away Calzaghe like.

He slumped to the floor, had a terrified look on his face and looked to McCracken for a clue then had to stay down a bit to tryt and get his head to clear, then Taylor stands off for the rest of the round.

Whereas good recouperative powers are Calzaghe getting up and stopping his opponent in the same round or making the round even by totally outworking the opponent;)

Just remember, it wasnt even a ranked supermiddle he was fighting that dropped him;D

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Carl did take a lot of shots, but with his granite chin he got straight back into the fight and after the knockdown he gained his composure straight away

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No, stop saying it!!!

He does not have a granite chin!!

Taylor wasnt even a massive puncher at middle!!

I come from Guernsey and our island is built on the hardest Blue granite in the world, to say Carls chin compares absolutely disgusts me;D

Also, he didnt gain his composure straight away Calzaghe like.

He slumped to the floor, had a terrified look on his face and looked to McCracken for a clue then had to stay down a bit to tryt and get his head to clear, then Taylor stands off for the rest of the round.

Whereas good recouperative powers are Calzaghe getting up and stopping his opponent in the same round or making the round even by totally outworking the opponent;)

Just remember, it wasnt even a ranked supermiddle he was fighting that dropped him;D

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yea i'm not so sold on the The Ring Rankings anymore, they have Manny Pacquiao ranked the #5 welterweight in the world for godsake

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

Carl did take a lot of shots, but with his granite chin he got straight back into the fight and after the knockdown he gained his composure straight away

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No, stop saying it!!!

He does not have a granite chin!!

Taylor wasnt even a massive puncher at middle!!

I come from Guernsey and our island is built on the hardest Blue granite in the world, to say Carls chin compares absolutely disgusts me;D

Also, he didnt gain his composure straight away Calzaghe like.

He slumped to the floor, had a terrified look on his face and looked to McCracken for a clue then had to stay down a bit to tryt and get his head to clear, then Taylor stands off for the rest of the round.

Whereas good recouperative powers are Calzaghe getting up and stopping his opponent in the same round or making the round even by totally outworking the opponent;)

Just remember, it wasnt even a ranked supermiddle he was fighting that dropped him;D

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Any fighter would have gone down from the shots Taylor caught Froch with in that round. He got floored as well because he didn't see the punch.

His chin is solid, the man is a beast at 168.

Also Taylor CAN bang, he's got tremendous handspeed and accuracy and if he catches you full power without you seeing the punch you are going down.

Kelly Pavlik took a bunch of shots from the supposed wrecking ball Edison Miranda and they didn't faze him whereas when Pavlik caught him he was all over the place and lucky that Steve Smoger was in charge else the fight would likely have been stopped.

Taylor will bounce back and win a world title. Imo Taylor beats everyone else at 168 including Kessler based on his performance last night.

The two guys he has lost to were both big knockout punchers who don't mind getting hit in order to deliver their own punches.

There is nobody else like that at 168. Andrade is too crude, Bute has the same problem with fading in fights and he's not as fast or talented as Taylor, Kessler is a slow, cautious fighter who works behind his jab. That fight would be more reminiscient of Taylor Hopkins and Taylor would have a great chance of winning that fight imo.

He'd even give Calzaghe problems because Joe doesn't have the power to wreck him like Froch did.

In short NOBODY gets an easy nights work against Jermain Taylor, he's a great fighter.

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No, stop saying it!!!

He does not have a granite chin!!

Taylor wasnt even a massive puncher at middle!!

I come from Guernsey and our island is built on the hardest Blue granite in the world, to say Carls chin compares absolutely disgusts me;D

Also, he didnt gain his composure straight away Calzaghe like.

He slumped to the floor, had a terrified look on his face and looked to McCracken for a clue then had to stay down a bit to tryt and get his head to clear, then Taylor stands off for the rest of the round.

Whereas good recouperative powers are Calzaghe getting up and stopping his opponent in the same round or making the round even by totally outworking the opponent;)

Just remember, it wasnt even a ranked supermiddle he was fighting that dropped him;D

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yea i'm not so sold on the The Ring Rankings anymore, they have Manny Pacquiao ranked the #5 welterweight in the world for godsake

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While I disagree with their ranking of Manny Pacquiao, the Ring Rankings are universally regarded as the best ranking system in boxing (well, 2nd to Saddo's ranking system of course).

Regardless, my point was not to spark a debate on the validity of the Ring Rankings, only to demonstrate that Ross is spouting bullshit again like usual.

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No, stop saying it!!!

He does not have a granite chin!!

Taylor wasnt even a massive puncher at middle!!

I come from Guernsey and our island is built on the hardest Blue granite in the world, to say Carls chin compares absolutely disgusts me;D

Also, he didnt gain his composure straight away Calzaghe like.

He slumped to the floor, had a terrified look on his face and looked to McCracken for a clue then had to stay down a bit to tryt and get his head to clear, then Taylor stands off for the rest of the round.

Whereas good recouperative powers are Calzaghe getting up and stopping his opponent in the same round or making the round even by totally outworking the opponent;)

Just remember, it wasnt even a ranked supermiddle he was fighting that dropped him;D

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yea i'm not so sold on the The Ring Rankings anymore, they have Manny Pacquiao ranked the #5 welterweight in the world for godsake

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That's because he knocked out Oscar De La Hoya. If any other welterweight not ranked in the top 10 had knocked out Oscar De La Hoya like that they would likely make the top ten Ring rankings for the weight class. When you factor in that Manny is also the worlds best p4p fighter how could they rate him any lower?

I just watched it, Froch did pretty well, he's just more of a fighter than JT, simple as, more heart, more willing, along with better stamina, chin, ect. Still not blown away by his power but he hits harder than I thought.

Taylor should probably just give it up, he doesn't like his job, he's got so much nervous energy which is the reason for his appalling stamina and the stoppage was totally right, I got the impression it might have been somewhat questionable, hell no.

Watching this though makes you realize how good Calzaghe was at 168. He would have 12-0'ed both of these guys. But credit to Froch, he did what he had to do.

Good post Tam...

The one thing that has surprised me today is on the various forums I post on,just about everyone thought Froch would win all along;D

He is so underrated as a fighter it is embarassing,but maybe now after such an exciting end to the fight the doubters might just sit up and take notice and the overdue credit,he so rightly deserves might start to turn up.

Taylor will not win a title at super middle or middle again;D

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I just watched it, Froch did pretty well, he's just more of a fighter than JT, simple as, more heart, more willing, along with better stamina, chin, ect. Still not blown away by his power but he hits harder than I thought.

Taylor should probably just give it up, he doesn't like his job, he's got so much nervous energy which is the reason for his appalling stamina and the stoppage was totally right, I got the impression it might have been somewhat questionable, hell no.

Watching this though makes you realize how good Calzaghe was at 168. He would have 12-0'ed both of these guys. But credit to Froch, he did what he had to do.

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Just becuase Taylor wilts in the championship rounds doesnt mean that Calzaghe would easily win the first 10.

Taylor is a sensational boxer and without those stamina issues, caused largely as you say by the nervous energy he brings to the ring he'd be unbeaten right now.

He'd give Calzaghe a very tough fight, he's never been 12-0'd by anybody.

He might win a round or two. Calzaghe would be all wrong for him, he wouldn't be able to keep up. Hopkins even though he's a level above Taylor was a better matchup.

Nah he wouldn't win two rounds.

And he didn't lose so much to Pavlik the first time because of stamina. Outside of the second round Pavlik was winning the fight and I wouldn't say he was dead gassed in that seventh round. His stamina obviously didn't help him but it wasn't like the 12th last night, that reminded me a lot of Bute-Andrade.

I think Taylor has lost his desire for the sport, he even said in the interview that he had the money after the b hop wins and lost his focus. Maybe that was his prime, and he can never repeat that again. I think hes a superb fighter, but as I have said ever since the start he would have lost to Froch. Sustained pressure is something he couldnt take as proved in the Pavlik fight and Froch is similar in that respect. It's a great shame for him, but as I said before when the mid rounds had gone he was in the deep water and he couldnt keep Carl away from him. Great, great fight though!

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I think Taylor has lost his desire for the sport, he even said in the interview that he had the money after the b hop wins and lost his focus. Maybe that was his prime, and he can never repeat that again. I think hes a superb fighter, but as I have said ever since the start he would have lost to Froch. Sustained pressure is something he couldnt take as proved in the Pavlik fight and Froch is similar in that respect. It's a great shame for him, but as I said before when the mid rounds had gone he was in the deep water and he couldnt keep Carl away from him. Great, great fight though!

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I still think he'll come back, that was honestly the most aggressive and bad intentioned I'd ever seen Jermain. Its sad really that the only two times he has looked truly outstanding to me he got knocked out both times.

Carl should thank God that Taylor is only a 10 round fighter and not 12. Taylor's weakness saved Carl from being a laughingstock. And all of you mthuafukkas know it. Carl gets the win on his record. Taylor should get an assist. He gave the fight away. Whoever had this fight even going into the last round can't score for shiit or is just a massive groupie.

This fight pretty much convinced me I was right about Carl. He's not close to being an elite fighter. And he sure as hell isn't the wrecking machine some of you guys were making him out to be. Where was the muderous power? The granite chin? I knew his defense was going to be poor coming in. But even I was shocked at how bad it really was. He's a sucker for a right hand. Taylor couldn't miss. Another thing I didn't see was the great offensive arsenal he was said to have. There was no arsenal. He was so predictable. Taylor blocked most of his punches till he started to tire. Carl is an average fighter. With average skills. But he does have heart. He ain't no punk. I will give him that. I didn't think he was going to get up in the 3rd. Not cuz I thought he was that hurt. But cuz he was being outclassed so badly I thought he would just say "fukk it" and quit. But he didn't. He got up and continue to press forward. He deserves credit for that. I have no doubt he has bigger balls (I'm sure Tam Seddon can confirm) than Calzaghe and Kessler have. With that being said i think both beat him. As would Bute and Andrade.

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Carl should thank God that Taylor is only a 10 round fighter and not 12. Taylor's weakness saved Carl from being a laughingstock. And all of you mthuafukkas know it. Carl gets the win on his record. Taylor should get an assist. He gave the fight away. Whoever had this fight even going into the last round can't score for shiit or is just a massive groupie.

This fight pretty much convinced me I was right about Carl. He's not close to being an elite fighter. And he sure as hell isn't the wrecking machine some of you guys were making him out to be. Where was the muderous power? The granite chin? I knew his defense was going to be poor coming in. But even I was shocked at how bad it really was. He's a sucker for a right hand. Taylor couldn't miss. Another thing I didn't see was the great offensive arsenal he was said to have. There was no arsenal. He was so predictable. Taylor blocked most of his punches till he started to tire. Carl is an average fighter. With average skills. But he does have heart. He ain't no punk. I will give him that. I didn't think he was going to get up in the 3rd. Not cuz I thought he was that hurt. But cuz he was being outclassed so badly I thought he would just say "fukk it" and quit. But he didn't. He got up and continue to press forward. He deserves credit for that. I have no doubt he has bigger balls (I'm sure Tam Seddon can confirm) than Calzaghe and Kessler have. With that being said i think both beat him. As would Bute and Andrade.

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To be honest with you VD the fight shaped the way exactly as I thought. I think your being over critical to the winner IMO, he showed that he was a champion last night by coming back from behind. I think your overratting how well Taylor did in there, Yes carl does have a leaky defence and can get tagged but its his stlye as Taylor would tell you which is difficult to hold off for 12 rounds. I do admit that the stamina issues were cleary in favour of Froch and that would be a reason for him winning the fight, however, YOU have to admit carls pressure over a sustained period of time would always cause Taylor problems and hes always struggled with fighters like that.

Which ever way you look at it, Carl is the winner of the fight, he finished stronger he got the KO no bullshit about it. Hes the winner, Taylor is the loser and we move on and see what happens next. Great win for Froch, no excuses he travelled to the other side of the pond and did the business, JC would NEVER have done that, nor would many other fighters. He got the win and thats the bottom line.

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How long have we been telling people that the Cobra is for real Tam..?

2/3 years i reckon.

Showed what he's all about and that was a brilliant display of Bulldog spirit:cool:

Never doubted he'd beat Taylor for a second and i knew he'd take him from the end of the tenth (Taylor looked distressed and beaten sitting their) but fuck me he left it late.

I thought JT was superb last night for the record and it took Carl ages to get in range without getting clipped in the process.

Great nights work from Froch and he's gonna make serious money from now on..(he got just £480,000) last night:o

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What fight were you and Tam watching?

I think Tam was high and imagined the scenario he described above, Froch did shit until the 11th rd, he looked like an idiot no less then 4 times did he take shots at Taylor just to miss and end up going face first towards the ropes as if he was an amateur starting out, His chin is not like Iron, it is not even like Pigs Iron, Taylor was never a hard puncher even at 160 let alone 168,

If Taylor did not tire he would be champ right now, if Taylor held through the 12th instead of just covering up he would be champ right now.....

Do you think Librado Andrade would fold to the shots Froch threw? Would Froch absorb the punishment he did last night against lets say Kessler and stay standing?

NO and to say different would be a lie,

Froch was exposed last night plain and simple

I give him credit though he did get up and he did keep fighting when he was down big and for that you can not deny his heart, he is a decent fighter but is he the best in the division?

No, he is not even third or 4th, Bute wanted Mick Hennessy to make a contract right then and there, he was drooling at the fact he could face Froch

After the fight Mick and Froch actually had the balls to say that Carl showed a P4P performance!!!!!!


He stayed up and scored the KO but in no way did he show anything last night, he got his ass kicked and kicked good.

How I wish Calzaghe would return to 168 just for a night w Froch......

I was less the 30 feet from the ring and I promise Froch at no time other then when Taylor tired did anything worth while...

He has heart and he was willing but it was Taylors stamina that won the fight for Froch last night

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT:


VD REPPED ME WITH WORDS THAT ARE ACTUALLY KIND TOWARDS FROCH

'Your boy gots heart. I'll give him that. He's Carl for today only.'


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VD REPPED ME WITH WORDS THAT ARE ACTUALLY KIND TOWARDS FROCH

'Your boy gots heart. I'll give him that. He's Carl for today only.'


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Violent D always gives credit when it's deserve

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How long have we been telling people that the Cobra is for real Tam..?

2/3 years i reckon.

Showed what he's all about and that was a brilliant display of Bulldog spirit:cool:

Never doubted he'd beat Taylor for a second and i knew he'd take him from the end of the tenth (Taylor looked distressed and beaten sitting their) but fuck me he left it late.

I thought JT was superb last night for the record and it took Carl ages to get in range without getting clipped in the process.

Great nights work from Froch and he's gonna make serious money from now on..(he got just £480,000) last night:o

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What fight were you and Tam watching?

I think Tam was high and imagined the scenario he described above, Froch did shit until the 11th rd, he looked like an idiot no less then 4 times did he take shots at Taylor just to miss and end up going face first towards the ropes as if he was an amateur starting out, His chin is not like Iron, it is not even like Pigs Iron, Taylor was never a hard puncher even at 160 let alone 168,

If Taylor did not tire he would be champ right now, if Taylor held through the 12th instead of just covering up he would be champ right now.....

Do you think Librado Andrade would fold to the shots Froch threw? Would Froch absorb the punishment he did last night against lets say Kessler and stay standing?

NO and to say different would be a lie,

Froch was exposed last night plain and simple

I give him credit though he did get up and he did keep fighting when he was down big and for that you can not deny his heart, he is a decent fighter but is he the best in the division?

No, he is not even third or 4th, Bute wanted Mick Hennessy to make a contract right then and there, he was drooling at the fact he could face Froch

After the fight Mick and Froch actually had the balls to say that Carl showed a P4P performance!!!!!!


He stayed up and scored the KO but in no way did he show anything last night, he got his ass kicked and kicked good.

How I wish Calzaghe would return to 168 just for a night w Froch......

I was less the 30 feet from the ring and I promise Froch at no time other then when Taylor tired did anything worth while...

He has heart and he was willing but it was Taylors stamina that won the fight for Froch last night

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Now that is a post from a man who knows his Boxing. 100% agree.

I think Tam and Smashup deserve a little gloat. They are the only two longstanding Saddo members that have backed Froch all the way.

Well done :cool:

At the end of the day Froch KO'd Taylor. That's all that matters. ;)

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VD REPPED ME WITH WORDS THAT ARE ACTUALLY KIND TOWARDS FROCH

'Your boy gots heart. I'll give him that. He's Carl for today only.'


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The response

"You know Carl is the man, give some slack for once VD"

LOL. Muthafukka I just did

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I think Tam and Smashup deserve a little gloat. They are the only two longstanding Saddo members that have backed Froch all the way.

Well done :cool:

At the end of the day Froch KO'd Taylor. That's all that matters. ;)

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At the end that is the final result.

BTW if you check the fight thread that night it's amazing how quiet Smash was as the fight was going on. And he was online

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I think Tam and Smashup deserve a little gloat. They are the only two longstanding Saddo members that have backed Froch all the way.

Well done :cool:

At the end of the day Froch KO'd Taylor. That's all that matters. ;)

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I don't really know how it went, but when you see a statement like this, then you know there has to be some kind of extenuating circumstance. ;)

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VD REPPED ME WITH WORDS THAT ARE ACTUALLY KIND TOWARDS FROCH

'Your boy gots heart. I'll give him that. He's Carl for today only.'


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The response

"You know Carl is the man, give some slack for once VD"

LOL. Muthafukka I just did

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I think Tam and Smashup deserve a little gloat. They are the only two longstanding Saddo members that have backed Froch all the way.

Well done :cool:

At the end of the day Froch KO'd Taylor. That's all that matters. ;)

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At the end that is the final result.

BTW if you check the fight thread that night it's amazing how quiet Smash was as the fight was going on. And he was online

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Well Taylor was winning the fight (easy IMO), so that's understandable. But the FRoch man still pulled it out the bag.

So if I were Smashup or Tam i'd be pretty fucking happy i'd told everyone so ;D

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VD REPPED ME WITH WORDS THAT ARE ACTUALLY KIND TOWARDS FROCH

'Your boy gots heart. I'll give him that. He's Carl for today only.'


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The response

"You know Carl is the man, give some slack for once VD"

LOL. Muthafukka I just did

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I think Tam and Smashup deserve a little gloat. They are the only two longstanding Saddo members that have backed Froch all the way.

Well done :cool:

At the end of the day Froch KO'd Taylor. That's all that matters. ;)

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At the end that is the final result.

BTW if you check the fight thread that night it's amazing how quiet Smash was as the fight was going on. And he was online

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Well Taylor was winning the fight (easy IMO), so that's understandable. But the FRoch man still pulled it out the bag.

So if I were Smashup or Tam i'd be pretty fucking happy i'd told everyone so ;D

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He showed heart. I'll give him that. But seriously. How the fukk can anybody have that fight even or even close going into the 12th round? That's bullshiit.

Smash and Tam can gloat and I'll eat my humble pie on this one. Froch is better than I thought.

In all seriousness, how may of us screamed bloody murder over the Andrade result? Bute was much further up on the cards than Taylor was, and in my honest opinion, Bute was outclassing Andrade more than Taylor was outclassing Froch. The better boxers were both outclassing the punchers, but the guys with more heart, stamina, and desire got their men in the end. Fair play to them. If you take credit from Froch, you gotta take it from Andrade, too. It was similar situation, except Froch had made it a closer fight than Andrade did.

That being said, last night confirmed a lot of things Froch critics like me have believed. This fight does not make him the man at 168, no matter what Tam made me put in the sig, but like it wouldn't have made Andrade (who is one of my favorites) the man if the ref wasn't eating retard pills. Froch is going to have trouble when he's in with a guy who can really punch. Kessler, Andrade, and Dirrell are nightmare matchups for him.

Froch should go for Bute. I'd probably favor him in that one. That's his best shot. Why waste your time on that nobody with the WBO belt. Either that or roll the dice with Pavlik.

I had thought that Froch should let Taylor have his rematch, seeing as Jermain was ahead on the cards and lost in the last few seconds. It seems reasonable that he can ask for a rematch considering that.

However, thinking about Froch vs Pavlik, I don't think it would be the most technical or pretty fight don't get me wrong, but it would be one hell of a slugfest. Think I'd see Pavlik winning, but you're almost guaranteed a KO with that match up.

Would be incredibly entertaining ;)

I thought Taylor gave Froch a boxing lesson for the first few rounds. When he got put down he looked like an outclassed domestic-level fighter who'd made the mistake of believing his own hype. But Taylor started to slow dramatically after four or five rounds and Froch was able to get into the fight. It wasn't that Froch "started slow", it's that Taylor slowed down to Froch's level so Froch started landing. If Taylor had had any stamina he would have won easily.

I had froch down one round going into final round

froch is the man at 168, traveled across the pond & defended in taylors backyard!

if taylor fancies a rematch should be in england, but doubt taylor would want one

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Originally Posted by Drago

I had froch down one round going into final round

froch is the man at 168, traveled across the pond & defended in taylors backyard!

if taylor fancies a rematch should be in england, but doubt taylor would want one

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don't know what fight you were watchinig, Froch didn't start getting remotely close to winning a round until at least the 8th, on my card he didn't win a round until the 9th, and honestly by then i was saying it over and over again Taylor looked gassed, i had Taylor winning the first 8 rnds plus the knockdown, so if Taylor would have made it out of the 12th round he still would have won 115-111

1-10-9 JT
2-10-9 JT
3-10-8 JT
4-10-9 JT
5-10-9 JT
6-10-9 JT
7-10-9 JT
8-10-9 JT
9-10-9 CF
10-10-9 CF
11-10-9 CF

107-102 JT at the point of the stoppage

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I thought Taylor gave Froch a boxing lesson for the first few rounds. When he got put down he looked like an outclassed domestic-level fighter who'd made the mistake of believing his own hype. But Taylor started to slow dramatically after four or five rounds and Froch was able to get into the fight. It wasn't that Froch "started slow", it's that Taylor slowed down to Froch's level so Froch started landing. If Taylor had had any stamina he would have won easily.

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Sounds like your making excuses for JT if I'm honest, Froch just had a fight and he came out on top. If that is because he had better stamina then so be it.

My take on the fight is that Froch is one hell of A tough Guy,and there should be no doubt about that,but his skill level is probably below average in some regards,he is slow and very predictable,last night was the first time I have seen Froch fight,but judgeing by his style I would have suggested that Taylor would be A very bad match-up for him.I would`nt say that Taylor beat himself last night but it was something close to that,had Froch not got Taylor out of there in the 12th,Froch was headed for A Dec.loss of 3 points or so,Imo Froch needs to be busier,one other thing,whoever said Taylor is not A hard puncher is on crack,Taylor punches with speed and POWER,and is very dangerous.credit to Froch for his victory he earned it fair and square,last round or not,credit for Taylor for A great fight,he could have tried to coast and hold in the 12th.but he is A warrior snd decided to fight and was as always very gracious in defeat,I personally would love to see A Re-match.,,....Great Fight!

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I had thought that Froch should let Taylor have his rematch, seeing as Jermain was ahead on the cards and lost in the last few seconds. It seems reasonable that he can ask for a rematch considering that.

However, thinking about Froch vs Pavlik, I don't think it would be the most technical or pretty fight don't get me wrong, but it would be one hell of a slugfest. Think I'd see Pavlik winning, but you're almost guaranteed a KO with that match up.

Would be incredibly entertaining ;)

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Pavlik needs to worry about fighting Abraham or Williams before he even thinks about Froch. I think a rematch would be great & would like to see Froch give it to Taylor if he can't get Joe outta retirement

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Originally Posted by Drago

I had froch down one round going into final round

froch is the man at 168, traveled across the pond & defended in taylors backyard!

if taylor fancies a rematch should be in england, but doubt taylor would want one

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don't know what fight you were watchinig, Froch didn't start getting remotely close to winning a round until at least the 8th, on my card he didn't win a round until the 9th, and honestly by then i was saying it over and over again Taylor looked gassed, i had Taylor winning the first 8 rnds plus the knockdown, so if Taylor would have made it out of the 12th round he still would have won 115-111

1-10-9 JT
2-10-9 JT
3-10-8 JT
4-10-9 JT
5-10-9 JT
6-10-9 JT
7-10-9 JT
8-10-9 JT
9-10-9 CF
10-10-9 CF
11-10-9 CF

107-102 JT at the point of the stoppage

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Well clearly Froch WAS doing some work in those early rounds otherwise Jermain would collapse in every fight at the end right? :-\

Froch was clearly having an impact on Jermain starting with round 6 which is a couple rounds earlier than B Hop started to work in his first fight with Jermain.

From round 6 onwards Jermain was clearly affected and from round 8 it was mostly Carl Froch with the exception of a couple of explosive bursts from Taylor.

Taylor certainly sweeped the first 5 with a 10-8 round but I imagine Froch might have well have been nervous, huge step up in class, in hostile territory against one of the superstars of boxing.

He overcame the worst possible start and worked his way back into the fight before ending it clinically in the final round.

As they always say the true test of a champion is how they cope with adversity and Froch copes pretty well. Even the great Kessler wilted when he stepped up in class and fought Calzaghe on foreign soil and Calzaghe himself got floored by both Hopkins and Jones (despite their advanced years) when he went to the US and fought the two best opponents of his career.

Who will Froch fight next? That is the question.

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Originally Posted by Drago

I had froch down one round going into final round

froch is the man at 168, traveled across the pond & defended in taylors backyard!

if taylor fancies a rematch should be in england, but doubt taylor would want one

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don't know what fight you were watchinig, Froch didn't start getting remotely close to winning a round until at least the 8th, on my card he didn't win a round until the 9th, and honestly by then i was saying it over and over again Taylor looked gassed, i had Taylor winning the first 8 rnds plus the knockdown, so if Taylor would have made it out of the 12th round he still would have won 115-111

1-10-9 JT
2-10-9 JT
3-10-8 JT
4-10-9 JT
5-10-9 JT
6-10-9 JT
7-10-9 JT
8-10-9 JT
9-10-9 CF
10-10-9 CF
11-10-9 CF

107-102 JT at the point of the stoppage

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Well clearly Froch WAS doing some work in those early rounds otherwise Jermain would collapse in every fight at the end right? :-\

Froch was clearly having an impact on Jermain starting with round 6 which is a couple rounds earlier than B Hop started to work in his first fight with Jermain.

From round 6 onwards Jermain was clearly affected and from round 8 it was mostly Carl Froch with the exception of a couple of explosive bursts from Taylor.

Taylor certainly sweeped the first 5 with a 10-8 round but I imagine Froch might have well have been nervous, huge step up in class, in hostile territory against one of the superstars of boxing.

He overcame the worst possible start and worked his way back into the fight before ending it clinically in the final round.

As they always say the true test of a champion is how they cope with adversity and Froch copes pretty well. Even the great Kessler wilted when he stepped up in class and fought Calzaghe on foreign soil and Calzaghe himself got floored by both Hopkins and Jones (despite their advanced years) when he went to the US and fought the two best opponents of his career.

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Froch started to work a bit but Taylor was stealing the rounds honestly, i didn't see him win a round clearly till the around the 9th