Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks for July 18th?
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Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks for July 18th?
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LOL why? Floyd could choose a better opponent then Cory yawn Spinks.:rolleyes:
Cory has a belt (IBF light middleweight) and feather fisted... PBF Jr. a smart guy...;)
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Yeah I guess so but it is going to be a very booooring fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Pointless if it happens
Most probably... but Cory tried to mix it up in his last fight with Latimore and he almost lost that fight...;DQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09Yeah I guess so but it is going to be a very booooring fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
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You can almost see this coming.King and Mayweather in all kinds of 'discussions' leading into Spinks/Latimore,then King standing there in the post fight interview on TV yelling..."We're coming for you Mayweather...Get ready Mayweather".Spinks was ripe for the picking in with green Latimore,contrary to The commentators...he looked terrible but recieved the points win.A beatable "champion" with a strap,nevermind it being 154,Floyd could come in catchweight and brutalize Spinks,and take his trinket to propell into another big show.I dont put anything past King,or Mayweather if it means another 'belt'.We've seen crazier things.
Spinks is not the opponent I was hoping for, but I suppose I can grant Mayweather a tune-up. Spinks is a good boxer & is becoming more watchable as his legs have slowed! Has a bit of a name, plus a trinket... smart move on Mayweathers behalf (who cares about the fans?)
If he wanted to make a statement of a comeback (not against the elite or big names in Marquez, Pac/ Hatton winner, Williams, Cotto or Berto) then someone like Sergio Martinez or Timothy Bradley would have been better imo
Floyd would get the same sort of flak if he fought someone like Forrest or Collazo so Spinks ain't that bad
But I feel Cintron or Quintana may have been better options...
I think Cory Spinks is pretty dangerous, he's tough to hit, he's fast, he is bigger than Mayweather, and he has great boxing skills.
Lets not forget Floyd has been out of the ring 17 month on May 8th even Floyd Mayweather needs a tune up before anything big.
I'd be more curious who'd win at madden. Shit you mid-as-well make a circus of it and have him fight that latimore kid the same night too.
I actually really like this fight. Tough ask for Floyd, you guys saying this is easy are forgetting just how small Floyd is.
Spinks is a legitimate junior middleweight and has even fought for the undisputed middleweight world title. Floyd's natural weight class is probably 140 right now so even at welter he's giving a lot of size away.
After more than a year out, going straight into a world title fight with Cory Spinks, who hasn't been beaten decisively since the second Zab Judah fight and was arguably unlucky to have lost to both Jermain Taylor and Verno Phillips.
I'd make it 60/40 in favour of Floyd but Cory has a great chance imo.
Spicoli & Bilbo are both making sense to me.
If I had to pick an outcome I'd say that Mayweather outpoints Spinks with a SD.
In my eyes losing to Spinks (no matter how much bigger he is) would wipe Mayweather off the historical map.
I think Mayweather can ko Spinks. It should be an ok fight. I won't buy it, but I do not knock Mayweather on this decision. I think Spinks is a proper opponent and good challenge for a comeback fight.
I too get the feeling it's a going to be a little boring though. A lot of feinting and premature punch dodging.
I do hope Mayweather shines though and gets him out inside of 10 rounds.
Agree that Mayweather cannot lose this fight if he wants to have another big fight ever again.. which is where the huge risk lies in a tune up fight.. but to say it will be an SD may be just as bad as a loss..Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
I see Floyd fighting to a UD by a clear 3-4 round margin. Spinks is bigger and is still pretty quick, but I don't give him much of a chance in this fight considering he does not have KO power.
I only quoted Bilbo on this so this post would show up again.. Just for everyone who was complaining about Floyd picking on the "smaller" Ricky Hatton. Just makes me chuckle..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by RP33Agree that Mayweather cannot lose this fight if he wants to have another big fight ever again.. which is where the huge risk lies in a tune up fight.. but to say it will be an SD may be just as bad as a loss..Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
I see Floyd fighting to a UD by a clear 3-4 round margin. Spinks is bigger and is still pretty quick, but I don't give him much of a chance in this fight considering he does not have KO power.
I only quoted Bilbo on this so this post would show up again.. Just for everyone who was complaining about Floyd picking on the "smaller" Ricky Hatton. Just makes me chuckle..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Yeah Floyd and Ricky are really meant for the same weight class. Floyd would beat Ricky whatever weight they fought at.
Oh and let me also say this. Cory Spinks is a MUCH tougher opponent than Juan Manuel Marquez. Marquez style plays straight into Floyd Mayweather and he would knock Marquez out I have no doubt.
Spinks is one awkward fighter though although he seems to have slipped of late and now like Winky is much more flat footed in times past. His chin is suspect too so I'd give Floyd the edge. But its a far bigger risk than taking on Marquez imo.
Spinks tougher than Marquez? I don't see it! I thought Mayorga beat him, Judah should have stopped him twice but he lost focus & let Spinks of the hook. Bearly survived Karmazin & struggled with both Phillips & Latimore! Marquez would knock Spinks out, & a fight with Mayweather would be extremely difficult imo...Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by RP33Agree that Mayweather cannot lose this fight if he wants to have another big fight ever again.. which is where the huge risk lies in a tune up fight.. but to say it will be an SD may be just as bad as a loss..Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
I see Floyd fighting to a UD by a clear 3-4 round margin. Spinks is bigger and is still pretty quick, but I don't give him much of a chance in this fight considering he does not have KO power.
I only quoted Bilbo on this so this post would show up again.. Just for everyone who was complaining about Floyd picking on the "smaller" Ricky Hatton. Just makes me chuckle..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Yeah Floyd and Ricky are really meant for the same weight class. Floyd would beat Ricky whatever weight they fought at.
Oh and let me also say this. Cory Spinks is a MUCH tougher opponent than Juan Manuel Marquez. Marquez style plays straight into Floyd Mayweather and he would knock Marquez out I have no doubt.
Spinks is one awkward fighter though although he seems to have slipped of late and now like Winky is much more flat footed in times past. His chin is suspect too so I'd give Floyd the edge. But its a far bigger risk than taking on Marquez imo.
i have no problem with the fight
You mean he use to be hard to hit. Lattimore has one of Boxings most predictable offenses. And had no problem landing on Spinks. This fight would of been intriguing years ago when it was first discussed. Now it's one-sided. Spinks is done. By alrights he should of lost his last fight. Cuz he didn't deserved the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
On all side note, Marquez beats Spinks easily.
Yeah when Spinks was champ at 147 at Mayweather was around 140. I still think Floyd would have knocked his a** out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYou mean he use to be hard to hit. Lattimore has one of Boxings most predictable offenses. And had no problem landing on Spinks. This fight would of been intriguing years ago when it was first discussed. Now it's one-sided. Spinks is done. By alrights he should of lost his last fight. Cuz he didn't deserved the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
On all side note, Marquez beats Spinks easily.
I'm not sure what Bilbo has against JMM but he seems to be picking everyone over him, Valero, Spinks... at least Valero has th potential to be competitive!
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Originally Posted by GalaxyYeah when Spinks was champ at 147 at Mayweather was around 140. I still think Floyd would have knocked his a** out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYou mean he use to be hard to hit. Lattimore has one of Boxings most predictable offenses. And had no problem landing on Spinks. This fight would of been intriguing years ago when it was first discussed. Now it's one-sided. Spinks is done. By alrights he should of lost his last fight. Cuz he didn't deserved the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
On all side note, Marquez beats Spinks easily.
I'm not sure what Bilbo has against JMM but he seems to be picking everyone over him, Valero, Spinks... at least Valero has th potential to be competitive!
You really think Marquez would knock out Cory Spinks? :confused:
p4p maybe but in an actual real fight Marquez loses handily. He's a featherweight, Spinks is a junior middle, just because Manny Pacquaio was able to beat a naturally 160 lb Oscar weighing 143 lbs doesn't mean Marquez can move up another 3 weight classes and beat him.
Marquez vs Karmazin at 154 is a mismatch, Marquez gets battered.
It's not that I have anything against Marquez its just that we are talking 20 lbs difference in weight classes here.
In a mythical p4p where everybody weighed the same and were the same size then Marquez is a much tougher fight for Floyd than Spinks, but we don't live in that world and a 130 lb Marquez ballooned to 147 is simply an easier fight for Floyd than a Cory Spinks fighting in his natural weight class of 154 lbs. He's three inches taller, has a 5 inch reach advantage over Marquez and Floyd would have to be very careful to beat him.
It's a tricky fight, Marquez on the other hand would be fighting so far over his natural weight that he'd be easy pickings for Floyd.
How can you not see that?
This is what I don't understand about people on here. They criticise Carl Froch's win over Taylor saying he was great at middleweight but nothing at super middle, just one division up from where he started his career but they believe that Marquez would be able to go up from his starting weight of featherweight to junior middleweight to knock out Cory Spinks, and that he'd be a tougher fight for Floyd going up to 154 to face Spinks, a three time and former undisputed champion at that weight? :confused:
Yes I really do think JMM would knock out Spinks!!!
History is littered with smaller guys beating bigger men! Just because your bigger doesn't necessarily mean better & I'll only use the Pacquiao fight to illustrate that, not compare.
Spinks used to be very slick, but even at his best at 147 he was never great! Hell I had the very crude Mayorga beating him! Plus his chin leaves a lot to be desired & an excellent technician like Marquez would have no trouble with Spinks.
Marquez is 135 now & I agree it would be a big step up to 154, but although Spinks is the bigger man he does not fight in a way that it would be to his advantage! Sure he has height & reach but Marquez is a brilliant fighter!!!
As to Mayweather/ JMM who's to say Floyd won't return at 147 thats not that far apart... & again the bigger Mayweather fights defensively!
back to the topic, if Latimore who is no where near elite was able to drop Spinks and pound on him for 12 rounds, barely losing the fight, than Mayweather should stop Spinks within 8 or get a very boring shutoutQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyYeah when Spinks was champ at 147 at Mayweather was around 140. I still think Floyd would have knocked his a** out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I'm not sure what Bilbo has against JMM but he seems to be picking everyone over him, Valero, Spinks... at least Valero has th potential to be competitive!
You really think Marquez would knock out Cory Spinks? :confused:
p4p maybe but in an actual real fight Marquez loses handily. He's a featherweight, Spinks is a junior middle, just because Manny Pacquaio was able to beat a naturally 160 lb Oscar weighing 143 lbs doesn't mean Marquez can move up another 3 weight classes and beat him.
Marquez vs Karmazin at 154 is a mismatch, Marquez gets battered.
It's not that I have anything against Marquez its just that we are talking 20 lbs difference in weight classes here.
In a mythical p4p where everybody weighed the same and were the same size then Marquez is a much tougher fight for Floyd than Spinks, but we don't live in that world and a 130 lb Marquez ballooned to 147 is simply an easier fight for Floyd than a Cory Spinks fighting in his natural weight class of 154 lbs. He's three inches taller, has a 5 inch reach advantage over Marquez and Floyd would have to be very careful to beat him.
It's a tricky fight, Marquez on the other hand would be fighting so far over his natural weight that he'd be easy pickings for Floyd.
How can you not see that?
This is what I don't understand about people on here. They criticise Carl Froch's win over Taylor saying he was great at middleweight but nothing at super middle, just one division up from where he started his career but they believe that Marquez would be able to go up from his starting weight of featherweight to junior middleweight to knock out Cory Spinks, and that he'd be a tougher fight for Floyd going up to 154 to face Spinks, a three time and former undisputed champion at that weight? :confused:
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Mate Mayorga gave Shane Mosely far more problems than Margarito did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
You are entitled to your opinions but there is no way in the world that Juan Manuel Marquez knocks out or even beats Cory Spinks at 154 simply no way.
If Spinks met him at 140 I'd side with Marquez, at 147 he might have a chance depending on how draining making weight was for Cory but at 154 lbs there is simply no way.
You say history is littered with little guys moving up weight classes to beat world champs well then just name a few in the last say 30 years who have climbed 5 weight classes including 3 in one go and knocked out a reigning world champ.
To my knowledge Manny is the only guy to have come close. Floyd and Oscar have been the only fighters in recent years able to jump multiple divisions in recent years.
The only other guy I can think of is Roberto Duran. Hearns, is much like Williams in that his frame was so massive he wasnt disadvantaged by the jump in weight.
Marquez however is 5 ft 7, he aint jumping to junior middle and beating even Sergio Mora.
Leonard and Jones Jr also did itQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboMate Mayorga gave Shane Mosely far more problems than Margarito did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
You are entitled to your opinions but there is no way in the world that Juan Manuel Marquez knocks out or even beats Cory Spinks at 154 simply no way.
If Spinks met him at 140 I'd side with Marquez, at 147 he might have a chance depending on how draining making weight was for Cory but at 154 lbs there is simply no way.
You say history is littered with little guys moving up weight classes to beat world champs well then just name a few in the last say 30 years who have climbed 5 weight classes including 3 in one go and knocked out a reigning world champ.
To my knowledge Manny is the only guy to have come close. Floyd and Oscar have been the only fighters in recent years able to jump multiple divisions in recent years.
The only other guy I can think of is Roberto Duran. Hearns, is much like Williams in that his frame was so massive he wasnt disadvantaged by the jump in weight.
Marquez however is 5 ft 7, he aint jumping to junior middle and beating even Sergio Mora.
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesLeonard and Jones Jr also did itQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboMate Mayorga gave Shane Mosely far more problems than Margarito did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
You are entitled to your opinions but there is no way in the world that Juan Manuel Marquez knocks out or even beats Cory Spinks at 154 simply no way.
If Spinks met him at 140 I'd side with Marquez, at 147 he might have a chance depending on how draining making weight was for Cory but at 154 lbs there is simply no way.
You say history is littered with little guys moving up weight classes to beat world champs well then just name a few in the last say 30 years who have climbed 5 weight classes including 3 in one go and knocked out a reigning world champ.
To my knowledge Manny is the only guy to have come close. Floyd and Oscar have been the only fighters in recent years able to jump multiple divisions in recent years.
The only other guy I can think of is Roberto Duran. Hearns, is much like Williams in that his frame was so massive he wasnt disadvantaged by the jump in weight.
Marquez however is 5 ft 7, he aint jumping to junior middle and beating even Sergio Mora.
Leonard didn't he won titles from welter to super middle thats 4 divisions. In fact only 3 because his supermiddleweight title was fought at 160, the middleweight limit, dont ask me why.
Jones Jr did and the was the only man in history to achieve that feat and he didn't come close to knocking Ruiz out.
Even the great Roberto Duran didn't he knocked out Barkley at middleweight, that's a climb of 4 divisions.
O.K. for starters I never said beating world champs, I just said bigger menQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboMate Mayorga gave Shane Mosely far more problems than Margarito did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
You are entitled to your opinions but there is no way in the world that Juan Manuel Marquez knocks out or even beats Cory Spinks at 154 simply no way.
If Spinks met him at 140 I'd side with Marquez, at 147 he might have a chance depending on how draining making weight was for Cory but at 154 lbs there is simply no way.
You say history is littered with little guys moving up weight classes to beat world champs well then just name a few in the last say 30 years who have climbed 5 weight classes including 3 in one go and knocked out a reigning world champ.
To my knowledge Manny is the only guy to have come close. Floyd and Oscar have been the only fighters in recent years able to jump multiple divisions in recent years.
The only other guy I can think of is Roberto Duran. Hearns, is much like Williams in that his frame was so massive he wasnt disadvantaged by the jump in weight.
Marquez however is 5 ft 7, he aint jumping to junior middle and beating even Sergio Mora.
The difference between Marquez & Spinks would be about 19 pounds right?
Roy Jones was outweighed by 33 pounds against Ruiz
Bernard Hopkins came from 160 to face Tarver at 175 a 15 pound difference there
Shane Mosley went from 135 to 154
Leonar went up to 175
Davarryl Williamson was outweighted by over 100 pounds vs Corey Sanders
David Haye was outweighted by 23 pounds when he fought Delaney & 14 pounds against Bonin
There are thousands more... now I'm just using these because most other weight classes the fighters weight about the same.
Now just because those guys were bigger doesn't mean they were better!
If you think Mayorga is more talented than Marquez then thats your call, but what about Judah who should have stopped Spinks twice or Pineda who could have won that fight, Karmazin, even Latimore who's best opponent was Powell.
Spinks was never that good a fighter & Marquez would prove this... he fights defensively & the weight is really irrelevant.
Bilbo I think you are putting to much emphasis on weight, when you should be concerned with skill
For the record I think Marquez would have more trouble with Mora than Spinks
I get that Corey is a bigger opponent who has been active and can be difficult, but I don't see anything that he does better than Floyd. It will be a boring UD for Pretty boy if you ask me.
umm no Leonard won up to the Lightheavyweight title making him the first 5 weight class champion, Hearns the 2nd, and Oscar the 3rdQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesLeonard and Jones Jr also did itQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Leonard didn't he won titles from welter to super middle thats 4 divisions. In fact only 3 because his supermiddleweight title was fought at 160, the middleweight limit, dont ask me why.
Jones Jr did and the was the only man in history to achieve that feat and he didn't come close to knocking Ruiz out.
Even the great Roberto Duran didn't he knocked out Barkley at middleweight, that's a climb of 4 divisions.
Leonard beat Lalonde at supermiddle it was a catchweight fight and Leonard weighed in at 167
Jones almost dropped Ruiz in the 6th i believe, wobbled him bad with a straight right
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Originally Posted by GalaxyO.K. for starters I never said beating world champs, I just said bigger menQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboMate Mayorga gave Shane Mosely far more problems than Margarito did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
You are entitled to your opinions but there is no way in the world that Juan Manuel Marquez knocks out or even beats Cory Spinks at 154 simply no way.
If Spinks met him at 140 I'd side with Marquez, at 147 he might have a chance depending on how draining making weight was for Cory but at 154 lbs there is simply no way.
You say history is littered with little guys moving up weight classes to beat world champs well then just name a few in the last say 30 years who have climbed 5 weight classes including 3 in one go and knocked out a reigning world champ.
To my knowledge Manny is the only guy to have come close. Floyd and Oscar have been the only fighters in recent years able to jump multiple divisions in recent years.
The only other guy I can think of is Roberto Duran. Hearns, is much like Williams in that his frame was so massive he wasnt disadvantaged by the jump in weight.
Marquez however is 5 ft 7, he aint jumping to junior middle and beating even Sergio Mora.
The difference between Marquez & Spinks would be about 19 pounds right?
Roy Jones was outweighed by 33 pounds against Ruiz
Bernard Hopkins came from 160 to face Tarver at 175 a 15 pound difference there
Shane Mosley went from 135 to 154
Leonar went up to 175
Davarryl Williamson was outweighted by over 100 pounds vs Corey Sanders
David Haye was outweighted by 23 pounds when he fought Delaney & 14 pounds against Bonin
There are thousands more... now I'm just using these because most other weight classes the fighters weight about the same.
Now just because those guys were bigger doesn't mean they were better!
If you think Mayorga is more talented than Marquez then thats your call, but what about Judah who should have stopped Spinks twice or Pineda who could have won that fight, Karmazin, even Latimore who's best opponent was Powell.
Spinks was never that good a fighter & Marquez would prove this... he fights defensively & the weight is really irrelevant.
Bilbo I think you are putting to much emphasis on weight, when you should be concerned with skill
For the record I think Marquez would have more trouble with Mora than Spinks
None of those examples are applicable. It's entirely natural for a great fighter to move 3 divisions or so in a career and if he's a hall of fame calibre fighter to win titles at all of them.
Marquez himself has already achieved this I believe with belts in the featherweight, super feather and lightweight divisions. Now you want him to jump another 3 divisions to 154.
How has Shane Mosely come close to that? Mosely has gone through 4 weight classes, from lightweight to junior middleweight. To beat Spinks Marquez would have to go through 6 equivelent to Mosely beating Froch, Bute or Kessler,
In the heavyweight division body weight simply does not count as much as beyond a certain point the extra weight is practically a handicap.
If you think Bernard Hopkins is a smaller man than Antonio Tarver then I can't even reason with you.
but none of your examples even remotely come close to Marquez, a former featherweight moving through 6 weight classes to knock out Cory Spinks a reigning junior middleweight champ.
It was also interesting that you couldn't provide lower weight examples.
Aside from Floyd who started at super feather and went as high as 154 and Oscar who started at super feather and went as high as 160 who else?
It's simply never happened. Manny knocked out Oscar mainly because Oscar was 20 lbs underweight.
If Spinks fought Marquez at 140 I'd agree Marquez could knock him out too but at 154 it just wouldn't happen
Hearns was 1st, Leonard was 2nd
Toney anyone?
Ok but as you said that was at 167 so supermiddleweight, hence 4 weight classes not 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesumm no Leonard won up to the Lightheavyweight title making him the first 5 weight class champion, Hearns the 2nd, and Oscar the 3rdQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Leonard didn't he won titles from welter to super middle thats 4 divisions. In fact only 3 because his supermiddleweight title was fought at 160, the middleweight limit, dont ask me why.
Jones Jr did and the was the only man in history to achieve that feat and he didn't come close to knocking Ruiz out.
Even the great Roberto Duran didn't he knocked out Barkley at middleweight, that's a climb of 4 divisions.
Leonard beat Lalonde at supermiddle it was a catchweight fight and Leonard weighed in at 167
Jones almost dropped Ruiz in the 6th i believe, wobbled him bad with a straight right
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Originally Posted by Galaxy
Hearns was massive he wasn't fighting bigger men even at cruiserweight.
Leonard won titles in 4 weight divisions, his light heavyweight title was super middleweight limit.
Toney has won titles from middleweight to cruiser weight a climb of 4 weight divisions.
Plus you are merely higlighting my point. All of these examples are the greatest fighters of modern times and none of them started out as featherweights.
The higher the weight class a fighter starts out at the less important the weight.
But it would take a phenomenal fighter to move up from featherweight to junior middleweight, to my knowledge its never been done before.
Please correct me if I'm wrong here, Brit Kid will know what featherweight in the modern era has moved up and won a world title at junior middleweight?
Bilbo you the one who brought up weight classes not me, so don't put words in my mouth... I said little guys beating bigger men & all the examples are of exactly that & they are all within range of what Marquez/ Spinks would be at this point. No point going on about Marquez being a feather because he is now an established lightweight, just like Pacquiao or DLH are not considered 112 or 130 pound fighters now.
Marquez is a lightweight now & imo conformable at the weight, Spinks fought most of his early career at 147 but is now comfortable at 154. Those are the facts!
I don't want this fight to happen, never said I did & if it did happen it would probably be a catch weight. From the beginning I've said that Marquez is a tougher fight than Spinks & I'll stand by that! A Mayweather fight would occur at most 147 I'd say, but it is entirely feasible that Marquez could put on a little weight come in around the 144-147 mark & ko Spinks whose chin is questionable.
Ok we will have to agree to disagree on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
In my opinion at 154 lbs this is an easy nights work for Cory, Marquez might even get knocked out. It's the equivalent of Shane Mosely moving up to fight Carl Froch or Lucian Bute. Whilst I think he's a far more acomplished boxer than both of them the sheer size difference would mean he could not beat these strong super middleweights, remember Winky Wright just dropped his hands and let him hit him flush in their fight to demonstrate how his punches couldn't hurt him.
Marquez just would not have the power to hurt Cory. P4P right now he'd obliterate him but in a real fight at 154 he couldnt hurt him any more than big junior middles like Mayorga and Roman Karmazin. Zab Judah was awesome in his prime too. All three of these guys can bang. I won't mention Jermain Taylor as he never hit Cory.
I'm sure even CutMeMick would agree with me on this. It has nothing to do with who is better its just a 3 division leap fighting a fighter in his natural weight class.
Manny was able to do it because Oscar came down and weighed in on the night around 20 lbs lighter than for his previous fights.
Imagine draining your body to weigh 20 lbs less than it does now and then fighting. I guarantee you'd feel fucked! For me that would be dropping down to 8 and a half stone. I weighed that much during my cancer treatment and literally the wind could have bowled me over :D
I'm late on the train....but Mayweather against Spinks.....
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