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Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
Cotto's strap up for grabs by Manny Pacquiao
Cotto's strap up for grabs by Manny Pacquiao
July 24, 3:13 PM
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EXAMINER.COM EXCLUSIVE REPORT:
Francisco “Paco” Valcarcel, lawyer and president of the World Boxing Organization, is not tone deaf.
Valcarcel has heard the cry from the millions of Manny Pacquiao fans and those who devoutly follow the fistic fortunes of Boricua Bomber Miguel Angel Cotto.
As I reported, Cotto has thought he could hold the WBO welterweight title hostage and use it as a blackjack on the head of the Pacquiao-Cotto Nov. 14 promoter Bob Arum.
I caught up with Valcarcel as he was going through airport security somewhere and we had a brief conversation Friday afternoon.
Whatever happens in Cotto’s money play with Top Rank’s top dog, Valcarcel said that Pacquiao fans, Cotto fans and fight fans in general can relax.
“I know that Manny is looking to make boxing history. I can appreciate that as he goes after the very tough Cotto for a seventh weight division world title,” Valcarcel said.
“You can tell all the people right now, the WBO title will be on the line. You’ve got a highly respected champion fighting the Number One contender. It would be ridiculous for this not to be for the title.
“No matter what happens, I assure you that this will be a WBO welterweight title fight. End of story.”
Yes, you can say, well Paco is a boxing politician. That much is true.
But, unlike many politicians, he has his finger on the pulse of the people.
Good call, El Presidente.
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Not really bothered to be honest not like Manny will be defending it if he wins.
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this is bullshit, if Manny wants a title as a welterweight it better be at welterweight, i was fine with the catchweight bullshit as long as the title was left out, i thought it was bullshit when Leonard did it, think it's bullshit now, hope Pacquiao gets ko'd brutally
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Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
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ElTerribleMorales
this is bullshit, if Manny wants a title as a welterweight it better be at welterweight, i was fine with the catchweight bullshit as long as the title was left out, i thought it was bullshit when Leonard did it, think it's bullshit now, hope Pacquiao gets ko'd brutally
so you hatin on delahoya too, he did it against hopkins:rolleyes:
kinda unfair pac risking his p4p status for nothing vs a much larger man. i hope Pac gets his 7th div world title and keep that record for at least 100 years;D
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Pavlik
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ElTerribleMorales
this is bullshit, if Manny wants a title as a welterweight it better be at welterweight, i was fine with the catchweight bullshit as long as the title was left out, i thought it was bullshit when Leonard did it, think it's bullshit now, hope Pacquiao gets ko'd brutally
so you hatin on delahoya too, he did it against hopkins:rolleyes:
kinda unfair pac risking his p4p status for nothing vs a much larger man. i hope Pac gets his 7th div world title and keep that record for at least 100 years;D
i said that the DLH/B-Hop fight was pointless as well in another thread, and putting up his p4p status? wtf you're acting like it's a sanctioning body on it's own...
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The fight should be at 147, for the purists. Regardless of the weight limit for the fight, Pac will still come in very light at around 142-143. Weight wise, surely disadvantaged. Cotto supporters can surely appreciate the risk that Pacman's staking here, just so that every boxing fan can be offered a decent fight. A mega fight.
However to some...
Nah! Pac is a cheater, dehydrator, and manipulator... or is he really! Whichever side of the fence you are on I guess.
Pacquiao is helping the sport of boxing a lot at the tills, I'd say!
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KananKrus
The fight should be at 147, for the purists. Regardless of the weight limit for the fight, Pac will still come in very light at around 142-143. Weight wise, surely disadvantaged. Cotto supporters can surely appreciate the risk that Pacman's staking here, just so that every boxing fan can be offered a decent fight. A mega fight.
However to some...
Nah! Pac is a cheater, dehydrator, and manipulator... or is he really! Whichever side of the fence you are on I guess.
Pacquiao is helping the sport of boxing a lot at the tills, I'd say!
Id also say hes also helping himself at the tills.
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Originally Posted by
KananKrus
The fight should be at 147, for the purists. Regardless of the weight limit for the fight, Pac will still come in very light at around 142-143. Weight wise, surely disadvantaged. Cotto supporters can surely appreciate the risk that Pacman's staking here, just so that every boxing fan can be offered a decent fight. A mega fight.
However to some...
Nah! Pac is a cheater, dehydrator, and manipulator... or is he really! Whichever side of the fence you are on I guess.
Pacquiao is helping the sport of boxing a lot at the tills, I'd say!
give me a break, only time i said Pac fought a dehydrated fighter was against DLH and whoever tries to dispute that FACT is a fool, manipulator, well he has been manipulating the whole catchweight bullshit so that it favors him more than in trying to make it an even fight, did it against Mosley and now Cotto, i give him credit for his win against Hatton, it was against the best fighter at 140, and regardless what others might say i don't think Hatton really has any excuse to why he lost, he was making weight comfortably, and constantly reminded everyone how he was undefeated at 140, but the way people try to make Manny seem like he can walk on water a shit gold is ridiculous, Pacquiao isn't saving boxing so give up, boxing has never really been in danger regardless of what some may say, you don't go around paying fighters 15 million minimum for every fight (DeLaHoya) if the fight itself isn't making money
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
KananKrus
The fight should be at 147, for the purists. Regardless of the weight limit for the fight, Pac will still come in very light at around 142-143. Weight wise, surely disadvantaged. Cotto supporters can surely appreciate the risk that Pacman's staking here, just so that every boxing fan can be offered a decent fight. A mega fight.
However to some...
Nah! Pac is a cheater, dehydrator, and manipulator... or is he really! Whichever side of the fence you are on I guess.
Pacquiao is helping the sport of boxing a lot at the tills, I'd say!
give me a break, only time i said Pac fought a dehydrated fighter was against DLH and whoever tries to dispute that FACT is a fool, manipulator, well he has been manipulating the whole catchweight bullshit so that it favors him more than in trying to make it an even fight, did it against Mosley and now Cotto, i give him credit for his win against Hatton, it was against the best fighter at 140, and regardless what others might say i don't think Hatton really has any excuse to why he lost, he was making weight comfortably, and constantly reminded everyone how he was undefeated at 140, but the way people try to make Manny seem like he can walk on water a shit gold is ridiculous, Pacquiao isn't saving boxing so give up, boxing has never really been in danger regardless of what some may say, you don't go around paying fighters 15 million minimum for every fight (DeLaHoya) if the fight itself isn't making money
You cant seriously say Cotto will be dehydrated at 145.
He weighed in 146 in his last fight. Another pound lighter aint gonna do a lot of harm.
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leftylee
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
KananKrus
The fight should be at 147, for the purists. Regardless of the weight limit for the fight, Pac will still come in very light at around 142-143. Weight wise, surely disadvantaged. Cotto supporters can surely appreciate the risk that Pacman's staking here, just so that every boxing fan can be offered a decent fight. A mega fight.
However to some...
Nah! Pac is a cheater, dehydrator, and manipulator... or is he really! Whichever side of the fence you are on I guess.
Pacquiao is helping the sport of boxing a lot at the tills, I'd say!
give me a break, only time i said Pac fought a dehydrated fighter was against DLH and whoever tries to dispute that FACT is a fool, manipulator, well he has been manipulating the whole catchweight bullshit so that it favors him more than in trying to make it an even fight, did it against Mosley and now Cotto, i give him credit for his win against Hatton, it was against the best fighter at 140, and regardless what others might say i don't think Hatton really has any excuse to why he lost, he was making weight comfortably, and constantly reminded everyone how he was undefeated at 140, but the way people try to make Manny seem like he can walk on water a shit gold is ridiculous, Pacquiao isn't saving boxing so give up, boxing has never really been in danger regardless of what some may say, you don't go around paying fighters 15 million minimum for every fight (DeLaHoya) if the fight itself isn't making money
You cant seriously say Cotto will be dehydrated at 145.
He weighed in 146 in his last fight. Another pound lighter aint gonna do a lot of harm.
This sure is a great fight. I'm also a big Miguel Cotto fan;)
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As long the fight is made and at a reasonable weight for both I could care less that it's for some bullshit alphabet belt.
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Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
Cotto is being screwed in so "Manny" ways:
1. Manny gets the 65-35 split.
2. Cotto's belt is on the line, even though he has to fight at a catch weight.
3. Cotto was basically extorted by Arum (We will give you the fight against Manny if you sign with us for two more years).
4. Manny even wanted the fight a month earlier, which would not have given Cotto the proper time to heal his cut.
Manny has proven a lot in boxing and deservedly so, but I am beginning to hate his attitude and opinion of himself and his nerve. I hope (and believe) that all of this will motivate Cotto to put a beat down on Manny.
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Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
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ElTerribleMorales
this is bullshit, if Manny wants a title as a welterweight it better be at welterweight, i was fine with the catchweight bullshit as long as the title was left out, i thought it was bullshit when Leonard did it, think it's bullshit now, hope Pacquiao gets ko'd brutally
Agreed. It is bullshit.
I wasn't so endeared with the catch-weight and now this! Disgusting! :mad:
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Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
Great news for Manny and for all boxing fans who prefer the actual fights over bearuocratic nonsense.
This will be an historic event with Manny fighting to be the first seven weight world champion in the history of boxing.
Of course a few whiners will moan and argue that Cotto should be stripped and that the well known and respected Antonin Decaire take on Rafal Jackiewicz for the vacant strap but for those of us unburdened by cares of technical rulings regarding fighters weighing two pounds under the max limit we can enjoy a proper good tearup.
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Re: Cotto's welterweight belt is on the line!!!
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ElTerribleMorales
this is bullshit, if Manny wants a title as a welterweight it better be at welterweight, i was fine with the catchweight bullshit as long as the title was left out, i thought it was bullshit when Leonard did it, think it's bullshit now, hope Pacquiao gets ko'd brutally
It is a welterweight fight. By definition, anything over 140 up to 147 is a welterweight fight.
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ClubberLang
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
this is bullshit, if Manny wants a title as a welterweight it better be at welterweight, i was fine with the catchweight bullshit as long as the title was left out, i thought it was bullshit when Leonard did it, think it's bullshit now, hope Pacquiao gets ko'd brutally
It is a welterweight fight. By definition, anything over 140 up to 147 is a welterweight fight.
So hopefully Manny gets knocked out in a way that only haters can dream about. He has outworn the track. :mad:
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ClubberLang
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
this is bullshit, if Manny wants a title as a welterweight it better be at welterweight, i was fine with the catchweight bullshit as long as the title was left out, i thought it was bullshit when Leonard did it, think it's bullshit now, hope Pacquiao gets ko'd brutally
It is a welterweight fight. By definition, anything over 140 up to 147 is a welterweight fight.
Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.
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killersheep
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ClubberLang
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
this is bullshit, if Manny wants a title as a welterweight it better be at welterweight, i was fine with the catchweight bullshit as long as the title was left out, i thought it was bullshit when Leonard did it, think it's bullshit now, hope Pacquiao gets ko'd brutally
It is a welterweight fight. By definition, anything over 140 up to 147 is a welterweight fight.
Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.
You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.
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generalbulldog
As long the fight is made and at a reasonable weight for both I could care less that it's for some bullshit alphabet belt.
You have a good point about alphabet belts.
An underappreciated aspect is that Cotto is agreeing to the catchweight, and all that it entails. Is he not? Last I heard, Cotto said he has no problem at all coming in a couple pounds underweight. Something that Cotto fans and opponents of the catchweight neglect to consider. As clubber points out.
I'm with lefty on this one. 145/146/147, no big deal, according to Cotto himself. Come fight time it won't really matter.
Cotto takes a few good shots to the end of his chin and goes down for the count, before the fight is half over.
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ClubberLang
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
ClubberLang
It is a welterweight fight. By definition, anything over 140 up to 147 is a welterweight fight.
Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.
You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.
it's simple, Manny wants to be a welterweight, fight a real welterweight at welterweight, so many people bitching about Mayweather handpicking opponents, but when you're basically "willing" to take on anyone but have it be at a catchweight like Pacquiao is doing, it's just as bad
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ClubberLang
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
ClubberLang
It is a welterweight fight. By definition, anything over 140 up to 147 is a welterweight fight.
Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.
You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.
But Manny has issues with fighting at 147 which automatically devalues this fight. No matter who wins IMO.
This is not for the WW crown whatsoever, despite what we are being fed here. Manny is too chicken to fight for that kind of thing. :rolleyes:
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
ClubberLang
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killersheep
Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.
You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.
it's simple, Manny wants to be a welterweight, fight a real welterweight at welterweight, so many people bitching about Mayweather handpicking opponents, but when you're basically "willing" to take on anyone but have it be at a catchweight like Pacquiao is doing, it's just as bad
You're right; it is simple, but your reasons are wrong. It's simple becase 145 IS a welterweight fight and Cotto agreed to do the fight at that maximum weight. He has no problem with it. End of story.
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miles
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ClubberLang
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killersheep
Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.
You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.
But Manny has issues with fighting at 147 which automatically devalues this fight. No matter who wins IMO.
This is not for the WW crown whatsoever, despite what we are being fed here. Manny is too chicken to fight for that kind of thing. :rolleyes:
Too chicken?!! You guys are unreal. Manny started at 112 and hopped up from 135 to take a fight with De La Hoya, a fight most people said he would get killed in. He is also moving up again to fight Cotto, a fight that would have been laughed at a year ago. To the poster who said it was no different than Mayweather, BS. Mayweather makes smaller men come up to him. Manny is going up to meet the bigger guys. To call him chicken is just flat out stupid.
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ClubberLang
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
ClubberLang
You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.
it's simple, Manny wants to be a welterweight, fight a real welterweight at welterweight, so many people bitching about Mayweather handpicking opponents, but when you're basically "willing" to take on anyone but have it be at a catchweight like Pacquiao is doing, it's just as bad
You're right; it is simple, but your reasons are wrong. It's simple becase 145 IS a welterweight fight and Cotto agreed to do the fight at that maximum weight. He has no problem with it. End of story.
The only logical conclusion to this is that the world gets behind Cotto and hope he ends Manny once and for all. Manny is cashing out anyway, he is probably overweight and paying for serfs to serv him grapes and play him videos of the Barrera fights. Little does Manny know that his time is almost numbered and I hope it's as brutal as can be.
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ClubberLang
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
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Originally Posted by
ClubberLang
It is a welterweight fight. By definition, anything over 140 up to 147 is a welterweight fight.
Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.
You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.
Hey Cotto and PAC can negotiate and fight at whatever weight they agree to that's fine, that's not the problem I have with this. MY problem is that this is for a title. It is not up to PAC and Cotto to determine what the welterweight limit is. If it's going to be for a welterweight title Cotto should be able to come in at the WW limit. Everything else the purse split, and all other negotiations, I could care less about. It should be a great fight and entertaining, but it shouldn't be a title fight. If PAC wins it's not like he's going to defend the title anyway.
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killersheep
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Originally Posted by
ClubberLang
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killersheep
Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.
You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.
Hey Cotto and PAC can negotiate and fight at whatever weight they agree to that's fine, that's not the problem I have with this. MY problem is that this is for a title. It is not up to PAC and Cotto to determine what the welterweight limit is. If it's going to be for a welterweight title Cotto should be able to come in at the WW limit. Everything else the purse split, and all other negotiations, I could care less about. It should be a great fight and entertaining, but it shouldn't be a title fight. If PAC wins it's not like he's going to defend the title anyway.
The weight limit is NOT what makes this a welterweight fight. It is a welterweight fight because it is a fight over 140 and below 147. That is the definition of a welterweight fight. Period. That means the belt being at stake is perfectly legit. And, yeah, Pac may not defend it but it is a big deal because if he wins he's the first 7 division champion.
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ClubberLang
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ElTerribleMorales
it's simple, Manny wants to be a welterweight, fight a real welterweight at welterweight, so many people bitching about Mayweather handpicking opponents, but when you're basically "willing" to take on anyone but have it be at a catchweight like Pacquiao is doing, it's just as bad
You're right; it is simple, but your reasons are wrong. It's simple becase 145 IS a welterweight fight and Cotto agreed to do the fight at that maximum weight. He has no problem with it. End of story.
The only logical conclusion to this is that the world gets behind Cotto and hope he ends Manny once and for all. Manny is cashing out anyway, he is probably overweight and paying for serfs to serv him grapes and play him videos of the Barrera fights. Little does Manny know that his time is almost numbered and I hope it's as brutal as can be.
If the reason people are getting behind Cotto is because the fight is at 145--something Cotto agreed to--then that's pretty ridiculous.
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killersheep
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ClubberLang
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killersheep
Good so you agree that Cotto can come in at 147.
You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.
Hey Cotto and PAC can negotiate and fight at whatever weight they agree to that's fine, that's not the problem I have with this. MY problem is that this is for a title. It is not up to PAC and Cotto to determine what the welterweight limit is. If it's going to be for a welterweight title Cotto should be able to come in at the WW limit. Everything else the purse split, and all other negotiations, I could care less about. It should be a great fight and entertaining, but it shouldn't be a title fight. If PAC wins it's not like he's going to defend the title anyway.
that's the main thing that pisses me off, if Manny actually wins the title what is gonna do? call for bullshit catchweights for every fucking title defense? he needs to man up and fight a full fledged welter who's able to make the limit especially when that full fledged welterweight is champion
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ClubberLang
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killersheep
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ClubberLang
You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.
Hey Cotto and PAC can negotiate and fight at whatever weight they agree to that's fine, that's not the problem I have with this. MY problem is that this is for a title. It is not up to PAC and Cotto to determine what the welterweight limit is. If it's going to be for a welterweight title Cotto should be able to come in at the WW limit. Everything else the purse split, and all other negotiations, I could care less about. It should be a great fight and entertaining, but it shouldn't be a title fight. If PAC wins it's not like he's going to defend the title anyway.
The weight limit is NOT what makes this a welterweight fight. It is a welterweight fight because it is a fight over 140 and below 147. That is the definition of a welterweight fight. Period. That means the belt being at stake is perfectly legit. And, yeah, Pac may not defend it but it is a big deal because if he wins he's the first 7 division champion.
Right but in this case because contracts are signed the Welterweight limit is between 140 and 145 is that correct? BY DEFINITION because they are not adhering to the welterweight limits it is a CATCHWEIGHT fight.
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killersheep
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ClubberLang
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killersheep
Hey Cotto and PAC can negotiate and fight at whatever weight they agree to that's fine, that's not the problem I have with this. MY problem is that this is for a title. It is not up to PAC and Cotto to determine what the welterweight limit is. If it's going to be for a welterweight title Cotto should be able to come in at the WW limit. Everything else the purse split, and all other negotiations, I could care less about. It should be a great fight and entertaining, but it shouldn't be a title fight. If PAC wins it's not like he's going to defend the title anyway.
The weight limit is NOT what makes this a welterweight fight. It is a welterweight fight because it is a fight over 140 and below 147. That is the definition of a welterweight fight. Period. That means the belt being at stake is perfectly legit. And, yeah, Pac may not defend it but it is a big deal because if he wins he's the first 7 division champion.
Right but in this case because contracts are signed the Welterweight limit is between 140 and 145 is that correct? BY DEFINITION because they are not adhering to the welterweight limits it is a CATCHWEIGHT fight.
It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.
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ClubberLang
You guys bitching and moaning about the weight and split can save it. No one forced Cotto to take the fight. He has a team of negotiators who settled on those terms with the Paquiao camp. If Cotto and his team are satisfied with the terms, then there's no reason anyone else should care. 145 is a welterweight fight by definition, period. It's perfectly legitimate for the belt to be at stake and Cotto doesn't have a problem with it.
Hey Cotto and PAC can negotiate and fight at whatever weight they agree to that's fine, that's not the problem I have with this. MY problem is that this is for a title. It is not up to PAC and Cotto to determine what the welterweight limit is. If it's going to be for a welterweight title Cotto should be able to come in at the WW limit. Everything else the purse split, and all other negotiations, I could care less about. It should be a great fight and entertaining, but it shouldn't be a title fight. If PAC wins it's not like he's going to defend the title anyway.
that's the main thing that pisses me off, if Manny actually wins the title what is gonna do? call for bullshit catchweights for every fucking title defense? he needs to man up and fight a full fledged welter who's able to make the limit especially when that full fledged welterweight is champion
If future opponents agree to the catchweight then why the hell should anyone care? Nobody has to agree to that, it isn't like they have a gun to their head. It's not like he's Mayweather making small guys come up to him. Manny is still going up to the bigger guys even if it is a catchweight.
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ClubberLang
The weight limit is NOT what makes this a welterweight fight. It is a welterweight fight because it is a fight over 140 and below 147. That is the definition of a welterweight fight. Period. That means the belt being at stake is perfectly legit. And, yeah, Pac may not defend it but it is a big deal because if he wins he's the first 7 division champion.
Right but in this case because contracts are signed the Welterweight limit is between 140 and 145 is that correct? BY DEFINITION because they are not adhering to the welterweight limits it is a CATCHWEIGHT fight.
It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.
Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.
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What ever happen to the good ol boxers who fought for Glory and their only price was to be the better man that night?
They were the true champions!
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although i heard of late that it's not going to be for any title, whether true or not i say screw the belt,let's just have a good fight.
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Right but in this case because contracts are signed the Welterweight limit is between 140 and 145 is that correct? BY DEFINITION because they are not adhering to the welterweight limits it is a CATCHWEIGHT fight.
It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.
Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.
it does when you smoke crack and have a man crush on Pacquiao, backing up the contract crap so much, don't get why Haye and his fans bitched so much about Klitschko's demands, nobody put a gun to Hayes head either :rolleyes:
just cause it's in the contract doesn't make it right
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although i heard of late that it's not going to be for any title, whether true or not i say screw the belt,let's just have a good fight.
That would be my ideal scenario. Regardless of how I feel about the title this should be a good fight and I look forward to it.
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ClubberLang
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killersheep
Right but in this case because contracts are signed the Welterweight limit is between 140 and 145 is that correct? BY DEFINITION because they are not adhering to the welterweight limits it is a CATCHWEIGHT fight.
It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.
Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.
It makes perfect sense. The 147 limit is NOT the only thing that makes it a welterweight fight. If it is below 147 and above 140, then it is a welterweight bout by definition. But it is also a catchweight fight because the two sides agreed to move the limit down to 145. But 145 falls between 147 and 140, so it is still a welterweight fight also. Makes perfect sense.
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Hey Cotto and PAC can negotiate and fight at whatever weight they agree to that's fine, that's not the problem I have with this. MY problem is that this is for a title. It is not up to PAC and Cotto to determine what the welterweight limit is. If it's going to be for a welterweight title Cotto should be able to come in at the WW limit. Everything else the purse split, and all other negotiations, I could care less about. It should be a great fight and entertaining, but it shouldn't be a title fight. If PAC wins it's not like he's going to defend the title anyway.
that's the main thing that pisses me off, if Manny actually wins the title what is gonna do? call for bullshit catchweights for every fucking title defense? he needs to man up and fight a full fledged welter who's able to make the limit especially when that full fledged welterweight is champion
If future opponents agree to the catchweight then why the hell should anyone care? Nobody has to agree to that, it isn't like they have a gun to their head.
It's not like he's Mayweather making small guys come up to him. Manny is still going up to the bigger guys even if it is a catchweight.
Sorry, but name me when Mayweather did this. The only possible name you could throw up is Ricky Hatton who chased the fight. The same Ricky Hatton who was already a world champ at 147. You simply can't name another 'small guy' who he's made come up to him.
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ClubberLang
It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.
Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.
it does when you smoke crack and have a man crush on Pacquiao, backing up the contract crap so much, don't get why Haye and his fans bitched so much about Klitschko's demands, nobody put a gun to Hayes head either :rolleyes:
just cause it's in the contract doesn't make it right
You're acting like Manny is a king on the throne forcing the peasant Cotto to do his bidding. Cotto could have told Manny to stuff it, but he doesn't care about the weight. So, yes, it IS right.
And as far as my statement about it being a catchweight and a welterweight fight, it DOES make perfect since if you have the ability to think. Between 140 and 147 is welterweight. 145 falls in that area, therefore it's a welterweight fight. But the limit was moved down two pounds, so it's also a catchweight. It ain't rocket science, some of you will just complain about anything.
Oh, and I wouldn't even say I am a huge Manny fan. Paul Williams is my favorite active fighter and Manny is well down the list, though I do like him. I also like Cotto. I am pulling for Manny just because I would like to see history made, but I will be happy for Cotto if he wins.
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ClubberLang
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killersheep
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ClubberLang
It's both a catchweight fight AND a welterweight fight. It falls within the welterweight limit with the maximum weight allowed moved down two pounds. But it still qualifies as a welterweight fight because it's below 147 and above 140. And remember, Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey so I really don't see one more pound as a big deal. Cotto agreed to it and has made clear he doesn't see it as an issue, so I don't know why anyone else should.
Sorry man that statement doesn't make sense.
It makes perfect sense. The 147 limit is NOT the only thing that makes it a welterweight fight. If it is below 147 and above 140, then it is a welterweight bout by definition. But it is also a catchweight fight because the two sides agreed to move the limit down to 145. But 145 falls between 147 and 140, so it is still a welterweight fight also. Makes perfect sense.
No it doesn't, it is a Catchweight fight, it is not a Welterweight Catchweight fight. A catchweight fight is a negotiated weight limit BETWEEN two weight classes. Otherwise there would be no reason to mention the catchweight at all, they always fall within a weight class.
