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FLOYD MAYWEATHER PFP#1 again baby.. I dont want to hear the size bullshit baby, Pac weighed more for there fights at 130...
To me it was the defense and footwork and skill on a level this generation hasnt seen. Marquez was wiped out didnt win a second of a round.
hell yea
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
That's a stupid thing to say.
People WERE criticising this match up the same as pac-cotto.
He did look good-was anyone really surprised by that?
Agreed. Mayweather is number 2 (like P4P lists mean jack shit) until he beats a more viable opponent. That being said, I do think he beats Mosley/Pacquiao or whoever else he fights next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
That's a stupid thing to say.
People WERE criticising this match up the same as pac-cotto.
He did look good-was anyone really surprised by that?
Cotto - Pac is a much more competitive and important fight than Mayweather - Marquez, though PBF was extremely impressive in his victory tonight.
floyd could beat PAC, cotto, and Ali on the same night with one arm and people would say "oh yes ....but he's ducking mosley. Floyd must fight for other things cause credit he'll never get. Shame
Just like DLH-Pac was soooooooooo signifigant?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHAgreed. Mayweather is number 2 (like P4P lists mean jack shit) until he beats a more viable opponent. That being said, I do think he beats Mosley/Pacquiao or whoever else he fights next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
That's a stupid thing to say.
People WERE criticising this match up the same as pac-cotto.
He did look good-was anyone really surprised by that?
Cotto - Pac is a much more competitive and important fight than Mayweather - Marquez, though PBF was extremely impressive in his victory tonight.
What does that have to do with anything? Pac did not become the consensus P4P #1 based on that fight. Both fights were impressive victories, but Mayweather, in some respects, did what was expected; Pacquiao was expected to lose to ODH. Mayweather fought a great fight tonight, I was very impressed and I have dedicated a large amount of my posts tonight to defending and lauding him. However, what he did tonight in no way diminishes or surpasses Pacquaio's recent accomplishments in my opinion. I think PBF is the better fight but that Pac is more deserving of being P4P #1 at the moment (which just goes to show you how utterly useless and subjective P4P lists are).Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockJust like DLH-Pac was soooooooooo signifigant?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHAgreed. Mayweather is number 2 (like P4P lists mean jack shit) until he beats a more viable opponent. That being said, I do think he beats Mosley/Pacquiao or whoever else he fights next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
Cotto - Pac is a much more competitive and important fight than Mayweather - Marquez, though PBF was extremely impressive in his victory tonight.
Pac scavenged Floyds scraps, the facts are the facts manQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHWhat does that have to do with anything? Pac did not become the consensus P4P #1 based on that fight. Both fights were impressive victories, but Mayweather, in some respects, did what was expected; Pacquiao was expected to lose to ODH. Mayweather fought a great fight tonight, I was very impressed and I have dedicated a large amount of my posts tonight to defending and lauding him. However, what he did tonight in no way diminishes or surpasses Pacquaio's recent accomplishments in my opinion. I think PBF is the better fight but that Pac is more deserving of being P4P #1 at the moment (which just goes to show you how utterly useless and subjective P4P lists are).Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockJust like DLH-Pac was soooooooooo signifigant?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Floyd fought and beat a fresher younger DLH at 154 giving up every advantage including glove type, ring size etc...
Manny beat a corpse of DLH
Floyd punished and KO'D a fresh hungry undefeated Hatton.
Pac KO'D beat a dented version who clearly wasnt the same physically or mentally.
Floyd just destroyed a guy Pac went life and death with 2x... Before anyone jumps on the weight train come fight night Pac weighed about 147 for their contest last time out..
That is not even close to being a fact. While Mayweather is clearly the better fighter (IMO), Pac has the superior resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockPac scavenged Floyds scraps, the facts are the facts manQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHWhat does that have to do with anything? Pac did not become the consensus P4P #1 based on that fight. Both fights were impressive victories, but Mayweather, in some respects, did what was expected; Pacquiao was expected to lose to ODH. Mayweather fought a great fight tonight, I was very impressed and I have dedicated a large amount of my posts tonight to defending and lauding him. However, what he did tonight in no way diminishes or surpasses Pacquaio's recent accomplishments in my opinion. I think PBF is the better fight but that Pac is more deserving of being P4P #1 at the moment (which just goes to show you how utterly useless and subjective P4P lists are).Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Floyd fought and beat a fresher younger DLH at 154 giving up every advantage including glove type, ring size etc...
Manny beat a corpse of DLH
Floyd punished and KO'D a fresh hungry undefeated Hatton.
Pac KO'D beat a dented version who clearly wasnt the same physically or mentally.
Floyd just destroyed a guy Pac went life and death with 2x... Before anyone jumps on the weight train come fight night Pac weighed about 147 for their contest last time out..
The same arguments you're using work both ways and it's very flawed. Pac beat Marquez twice in two close fights, Floyd outclassed and shut out JMM (dare I say a less than prime JMM who was shop-worn from his fights with Pac, Casa, and Diaz); Floyd won a close-ish SD over ODH, Pacquiao destroyed him in a fight that might have even been less competitive than PBF - Marquez. None of that means anything really. The fact is, for the last two or three years, Pacquiao has accomplished far more than Mayweather, as such I would argue that he deserves to be ranked ahead of Floyd in any mythical P4P rankings as a result of that. Nothing you can say will change my mind.
Fair enough but dont suggest I'm foolish because you dont share the same opinion I have.. Nothing you can say will change my mind eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHThat is not even close to being a fact. While Mayweather is clearly the better fighter (IMO), Pac has the superior resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockPac scavenged Floyds scraps, the facts are the facts manQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Floyd fought and beat a fresher younger DLH at 154 giving up every advantage including glove type, ring size etc...
Manny beat a corpse of DLH
Floyd punished and KO'D a fresh hungry undefeated Hatton.
Pac KO'D beat a dented version who clearly wasnt the same physically or mentally.
Floyd just destroyed a guy Pac went life and death with 2x... Before anyone jumps on the weight train come fight night Pac weighed about 147 for their contest last time out..
The same arguments you're using work both ways and it's very flawed. Pac beat Marquez twice in two close fights, Floyd outclassed and shut out JMM (dare I say a less than prime JMM who was shop-worn from his fights with Pac, Casa, and Diaz); Floyd won a close-ish SD over ODH, Pacquiao destroyed him in a fight that might have even been less competitive than PBF - Marquez. None of that means anything really. The fact is, for the last two or three years, Pacquiao has accomplished far more than Mayweather, as such I would argue that he deserves to be ranked ahead of Floyd in any mythical P4P rankings as a result of that. Nothing you can say will change my mind.
Where did I say you were foolish? I merely agreed with Missy (which pains me more than you will ever know) who said that this didn't mean that PBF should be considered P4P #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockFair enough but dont suggest I'm foolish because you dont share the same opinion I have.. Nothing you can say will change my mind eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHThat is not even close to being a fact. While Mayweather is clearly the better fighter (IMO), Pac has the superior resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
The same arguments you're using work both ways and it's very flawed. Pac beat Marquez twice in two close fights, Floyd outclassed and shut out JMM (dare I say a less than prime JMM who was shop-worn from his fights with Pac, Casa, and Diaz); Floyd won a close-ish SD over ODH, Pacquiao destroyed him in a fight that might have even been less competitive than PBF - Marquez. None of that means anything really. The fact is, for the last two or three years, Pacquiao has accomplished far more than Mayweather, as such I would argue that he deserves to be ranked ahead of Floyd in any mythical P4P rankings as a result of that. Nothing you can say will change my mind.
but pac made the agreed weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockPac scavenged Floyds scraps, the facts are the facts manQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHWhat does that have to do with anything? Pac did not become the consensus P4P #1 based on that fight. Both fights were impressive victories, but Mayweather, in some respects, did what was expected; Pacquiao was expected to lose to ODH. Mayweather fought a great fight tonight, I was very impressed and I have dedicated a large amount of my posts tonight to defending and lauding him. However, what he did tonight in no way diminishes or surpasses Pacquaio's recent accomplishments in my opinion. I think PBF is the better fight but that Pac is more deserving of being P4P #1 at the moment (which just goes to show you how utterly useless and subjective P4P lists are).Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Floyd fought and beat a fresher younger DLH at 154 giving up every advantage including glove type, ring size etc...
Manny beat a corpse of DLH
Floyd punished and KO'D a fresh hungry undefeated Hatton.
Pac KO'D beat a dented version who clearly wasnt the same physically or mentally.
Floyd just destroyed a guy Pac went life and death with 2x... Before anyone jumps on the weight train come fight night Pac weighed about 147 for their contest last time out..
How about Mayweather beat a fighter who beat Pacquiao twiceQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHThat is not even close to being a fact. While Mayweather is clearly the better fighter (IMO), Pac has the superior resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockPac scavenged Floyds scraps, the facts are the facts manQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Floyd fought and beat a fresher younger DLH at 154 giving up every advantage including glove type, ring size etc...
Manny beat a corpse of DLH
Floyd punished and KO'D a fresh hungry undefeated Hatton.
Pac KO'D beat a dented version who clearly wasnt the same physically or mentally.
Floyd just destroyed a guy Pac went life and death with 2x... Before anyone jumps on the weight train come fight night Pac weighed about 147 for their contest last time out..
The same arguments you're using work both ways and it's very flawed. Pac beat Marquez twice in two close fights, Floyd outclassed and shut out JMM (dare I say a less than prime JMM who was shop-worn from his fights with Pac, Casa, and Diaz); Floyd won a close-ish SD over ODH, Pacquiao destroyed him in a fight that might have even been less competitive than PBF - Marquez. None of that means anything really. The fact is, for the last two or three years, Pacquiao has accomplished far more than Mayweather, as such I would argue that he deserves to be ranked ahead of Floyd in any mythical P4P rankings as a result of that. Nothing you can say will change my mind.
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Originally Posted by JT RockPac scavenged Floyds scraps, the facts are the facts manQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHWhat does that have to do with anything? Pac did not become the consensus P4P #1 based on that fight. Both fights were impressive victories, but Mayweather, in some respects, did what was expected; Pacquiao was expected to lose to ODH. Mayweather fought a great fight tonight, I was very impressed and I have dedicated a large amount of my posts tonight to defending and lauding him. However, what he did tonight in no way diminishes or surpasses Pacquaio's recent accomplishments in my opinion. I think PBF is the better fight but that Pac is more deserving of being P4P #1 at the moment (which just goes to show you how utterly useless and subjective P4P lists are).Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Floyd fought and beat a fresher younger DLH at 154 giving up every advantage including glove type, ring size etc...
Manny beat a corpse of DLH
Floyd punished and KO'D a fresh hungry undefeated Hatton.
Pac KO'D beat a dented version who clearly wasnt the same physically or mentally.
Floyd just destroyed a guy Pac went life and death with 2x... Before anyone jumps on the weight train come fight night Pac weighed about 147 for their contest last time out..
This is about as relevant to the JMM/PBF fight as what he ate for breakfast.
you're off the BJ list:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHWhere did I say you were foolish? I merely agreed with Missy (which pains me more than you will ever know) who said that this didn't mean that PBF should be considered P4P #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockFair enough but dont suggest I'm foolish because you dont share the same opinion I have.. Nothing you can say will change my mind eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
saaaweeeet. I'm finally bumped up a notch! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyyou're off the BJ list:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHWhere did I say you were foolish? I merely agreed with Missy (which pains me more than you will ever know) who said that this didn't mean that PBF should be considered P4P #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
P4P is pure mythical crap, come on. Lets have Floyd as a good old, lineal Welterweight champ. That means he needs to beat Cotto, Mosely and Berto, end of........ PBF would starch PAC, let get back to some real competetive fights for the lad shall we...... If he's so great like he spouts off to be, he'd fight a fair competetive fights. The weight for this fight was farcical.
Just to add, fighting Paul Williams would absolve him of a fight with all three of the above. Bet you PBF don't have the balls to fight him for sure.....
Without doubt. He left as clear number 1 he came back, he fought and he conquered a true modern day great. People are getting on about all the natural advantages and weight and blah blah blah. What about the fact he hadn't fought for 2 years? Surely that wasn't an advantage for him?
For me the best fighter P4P since a prime Roy Jones and they are very close, maybe Roy had the better, faster combos but on the flipside Floyd's defence will still work when his speed diminishes whereas Roy learned the hard way that when his speed went his unorthodoxy was his downfall! That time still has to come for Floyd but I don't see him suffering the heavy KO's Roy did!
Yeah I'm with you, he beat a lightweight as a Welterweight woohoo, I fell asleep so missed the fight but I'm surprised as hell he could not stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
If you look at the styles. Marquez only landed about 75 punches the fight maybe more. And that had nothing to do with Mayweathers weight. At a lesser weight Floyd would be quicker and faster. Fact is he outquicked and outboxed Marquez. Marquez couldn't find him anywhere in the ring and if you think that it had anything to do with Mayweathers weight it would be delusional.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelYeah I'm with you, he beat a lightweight as a Welterweight woohoo, I fell asleep so missed the fight but I'm surprised as hell he could not stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
De La Hoya was hardly "Fresh" going into the Mayweather fight. He was 34 years old and had fought 6 rounds in a year and 3 fights in 3 years. His stamina was poor and he faded in the fight. De La Hoya was done when Floyd got to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockPac scavenged Floyds scraps, the facts are the facts manQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHWhat does that have to do with anything? Pac did not become the consensus P4P #1 based on that fight. Both fights were impressive victories, but Mayweather, in some respects, did what was expected; Pacquiao was expected to lose to ODH. Mayweather fought a great fight tonight, I was very impressed and I have dedicated a large amount of my posts tonight to defending and lauding him. However, what he did tonight in no way diminishes or surpasses Pacquaio's recent accomplishments in my opinion. I think PBF is the better fight but that Pac is more deserving of being P4P #1 at the moment (which just goes to show you how utterly useless and subjective P4P lists are).Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Floyd fought and beat a fresher younger DLH at 154 giving up every advantage including glove type, ring size etc...
Manny beat a corpse of DLH
Floyd punished and KO'D a fresh hungry undefeated Hatton.
Pac KO'D beat a dented version who clearly wasnt the same physically or mentally.
Floyd just destroyed a guy Pac went life and death with 2x... Before anyone jumps on the weight train come fight night Pac weighed about 147 for their contest last time out..
If Hatton was fresher in any fight it would have been the Pacquiao fight. He was fighting with a better trainer and at 140 pounds. Hatton never has and never will be a welterweight. Pacquiao KO'd him in 2 rounds at his best weight. Mayweather took 10 and Hatton weren't even at his natural fighting weight.
Pacquiao fought Marquez at the BEST weight available. And won both fights on the judges scorecards and knocked him down 4 times over the 2 fights. Floyd beat a bulked up Marquuez with a 4 pound weight advantage. Marquez was the smaller man and shouldn't have been fighting at that weight.
Your saying "Don't bring up the weight". King of contradicting yourself as you're bringing up weight issues yourself.
Mayweather is not number 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHAgreed. Mayweather is number 2 (like P4P lists mean jack shit) until he beats a more viable opponent. That being said, I do think he beats Mosley/Pacquiao or whoever else he fights next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
That's a stupid thing to say.
People WERE criticising this match up the same as pac-cotto.
He did look good-was anyone really surprised by that?
Cotto - Pac is a much more competitive and important fight than Mayweather - Marquez, though PBF was extremely impressive in his victory tonight.
You have a point, but Marquez was that small he really couldn't get close never mind get inside atall. It kinda reminded me of Darchinyan vs Burgos. Burgos being a good fighter, but just couldn't get anywhere near Vic due the the reach and size advantage..... I still say floyd should have put the lights out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyIf you look at the styles. Marquez only landed about 75 punches the fight maybe more. And that had nothing to do with Mayweathers weight. At a lesser weight Floyd would be quicker and faster. Fact is he outquicked and outboxed Marquez. Marquez couldn't find him anywhere in the ring and if you think that it had anything to do with Mayweathers weight it would be delusional.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelYeah I'm with you, he beat a lightweight as a Welterweight woohoo, I fell asleep so missed the fight but I'm surprised as hell he could not stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
imo P4P is nonsense anyway! it's bollocks pure and simple! In one weight division you can maybe use it as a guage but.....
the whole premise is pound (English Sterling pound, as in £) per pound (in weight of fighter)
How the hell can you try and compare the likes of PBF, Pac & Cotto to the big lumps like the Klitsch's, Valuev etc!:confused:
'Oh yeah Vitali would destroy PBF with one jab!'
'But Vitali wouldn't be able to catch Floyd'
I hate the p4p tag, it means nowt to me and it has only come into such popular usage over the past few years with the actions of..... quel suprise 'moneys' promoters
He was too small and too weak to make an impact in the fight, sounds like Floyd played it safe if he just kept him at range I'll have to download this farce later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyIf you look at the styles. Marquez only landed about 75 punches the fight maybe more. And that had nothing to do with Mayweathers weight. At a lesser weight Floyd would be quicker and faster. Fact is he outquicked and outboxed Marquez. Marquez couldn't find him anywhere in the ring and if you think that it had anything to do with Mayweathers weight it would be delusional.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelYeah I'm with you, he beat a lightweight as a Welterweight woohoo, I fell asleep so missed the fight but I'm surprised as hell he could not stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
I don't get what the issue is with Floyd beating Marquez.. yet Pacquiao beating DLH is okay?
Either way you look at it.. Floyd still has the better resume and at the end of the day is STILL unbeaten, so #1 P4P is the only place you could possibly place him.
Why would he fight Paul Williams. He filled half an arena against Winky. What would he make from fighting Williams?Quote:
Originally Posted by themacmagician
He's either going to get Pac/Cotto or Mosley. And he'll beat all 3. Williams would be tough but he doesn't sell tickets. High risk, low reward fight. I'd like to see it, but it's not happening and i don't blame Floyd. it doesn't make business sense. Besides, after he beat him there would be 15 threads about how he wouldn't beat Berto.
No he didn't. He showed Marquez something Marquez wasn't expecting. A jab. He jabbed Marquez all night and Marquez just couldn't avoid the leaping left hook, Floyd showed great timing and defense and presented Marquez with a style he just couldn't figure out. Marquez couldn't land anything and when he went back in the corner he would put his hands on his lips like "Alright how the heck do I beat this guy" It is the first time I've seen Marquez this befuddled and confused with another fighter. Mayweathers speed was a great factor, but unlike Pacquiao Mayweather was the one timing Marquez when people thought it could be the other way around if Marquez had a chance. It was a brilliant performance. Floyd landed nearly 60 percent of his punches and Marquez landed maybe 12 percent of his. That had nothing to do with the weight. Even if they were the same weight class Marquez landed nothing that would have ever hurt Mayweather, he barely landed anything at all and he was trying but even with his combinations Floyd wasn't getting hit. He was just too skillful for Marquez and that would have been the case at any weightQuote:
Originally Posted by KelHe was too small and too weak to make an impact in the fight, sounds like Floyd played it safe if he just kept him at range I'll have to download this farce later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyIf you look at the styles. Marquez only landed about 75 punches the fight maybe more. And that had nothing to do with Mayweathers weight. At a lesser weight Floyd would be quicker and faster. Fact is he outquicked and outboxed Marquez. Marquez couldn't find him anywhere in the ring and if you think that it had anything to do with Mayweathers weight it would be delusional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
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Originally Posted by Kel
When you find a link, please post!
My fu&*ng Sky+ wont record box-office:mad::mad:
I'm not saying weight was the only factor, but it definitely was A factor. Sure, Floyd outboxed him, but when was the last time we have seen Marquez so cautious and gun shy? He was clearly hesitant to let his hands go because he was wary of the bigger man's power. He looked completely intimidated by Floyd's size advantage if you ask me.
When was the last time Marquez fought someone that was not only faster then him but could outtime him. He fought faster guys like Pacquiao but he never fought another boxer that could outtime him as quick as Mayweather did that he couldnt hit. His gunshy had nothing to do with Mayweathers weight, he was trying to find a way to attack without getting countered, and he couldn't, he wanted to find a way to time Mayweather and he couldn't. His boxing and his timing are what make him Marquez. Mayweather took both away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesse James
That's not the point. Pac-man hit him plenty but he wasn't afraid of getting hit by him. Unless you're pyschic, i don't see how you can say how him being gunshy had nothing to do with the weight....maybe we should ask him......Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyWhen was the last time Marquez fought someone that was not only faster then him but could outtime him. He fought faster guys like Pacquiao but he never fought another boxer that could outtime him as quick as Mayweather did that he couldnt hit. His gunshy had nothing to do with Mayweathers weight, he was trying to find a way to attack without getting countered, and he couldn't, he wanted to find a way to time Mayweather and he couldn't. His boxing and his timing are what make him Marquez. Mayweather took both away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesse James
Marquez has already stated that he thought the weight was a difference. That and the speed. Marquez also said that if he had time to attune to the weight he would have done better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesse JamesThat's not the point. Pac-man hit him plenty but he wasn't afraid of getting hit by him. Unless you're pyschic, i don't see how you can say how him being gunshy had nothing to do with the weight....maybe we should ask him......Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyWhen was the last time Marquez fought someone that was not only faster then him but could outtime him. He fought faster guys like Pacquiao but he never fought another boxer that could outtime him as quick as Mayweather did that he couldnt hit. His gunshy had nothing to do with Mayweathers weight, he was trying to find a way to attack without getting countered, and he couldn't, he wanted to find a way to time Mayweather and he couldn't. His boxing and his timing are what make him Marquez. Mayweather took both away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesse James
Mayweather dwarfed Marquez out there and probably hurt Marquez a lot more than Marquez could have hurt Mayweather. In that sense the weight which relates to size and power would clearly play into the hands of Mayweather.
I don't see the point in defending Mayweathers win with all the variables stacked in his favour and him not weighing in correctly and then not even decaring what he weighed come fight night. They are shady antics that should not be tolerated again. It makes a mockery of boxing which gets a hard enough time as it is.
Get a grip dude. Remember. There is a difference between weighing more than your opponent at the weigh in than during a fight. Marquez is a great LIGHTWEIGHT, not a great welterweight. Marquez has never been known for speed or even defense, just toughness and good counterpunching. He showed the former in taking some great shots from Floyd but was unable to show the latter, mainly because of respect for Floyd's power and his defensive skills as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Floyd beat silly another opponent that HE chose as opposed to an opponent the general public wants to see him fight. From the beginning, the general public did not sanction this fight and most asked "why?"
There is no question that Floyd is great, but unless he steps in the ring with Mosley, Cotto, or Manny, he will forever be doubted (at least in my mind) as to what he can do against perceived great opponents.
Mayweather is not number 1 again after beating a great small lightweight at welterweight friend.
You are probably gonna mention how Pacquiao weighed around the 147 mark for his fights with Marquez but the difference was Marquez was fighting at a weight he was comfortable at, where his speed was at his best, where at welterweight his handspeed was clearly diminished.
A win over Pacquiao would give him back his spot as number 1.
That's very much not true and up for debate. A case could be made for either man.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUK
Once Floyd's weight was announced, Marquez immediately turned to his promoters and was like "WTF!?" It may have been in his head a bit but I think it was more of Floyd being much better than he had anticipated. Mayweather has that effect on people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesse James
I agree with this post completely. I said it from the get go that I thought this was a mismatch. Marquez was a great lightweight but I even think lightweight was higher than his best weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
If a fight with the P4P #1 guy is possible, then he doesn't lose his spot until he gets beaten. Floyd needs to beat Pac. Beating #2 doesn't make you #1 (Even though he DESTROYED #2).
Floyd looked Spectacular last night and Is interesting when we heard peoples asking a Floyd vs Pacman fight , IMO for What ? Pac vs Marquez was a closer fight and to me that could be the similar fight that Marquez did , though Pacman is more aggressive and offensive , but i seeing that that most of fans have to understand that they are in high weight , now with that Marquez fight and the next of Cotto vs Pac we can determine how they could handle their weights with a competitive fighters.......
Both made a good fight , Congratulations !!!!!!!!!!
Meh, as long as Big H doesn't honor your ban I'm all good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyyou're off the BJ list:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHWhere did I say you were foolish? I merely agreed with Missy (which pains me more than you will ever know) who said that this didn't mean that PBF should be considered P4P #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Exactly.Quote:
I agree with this post completely. I said it from the get go that I thought this was a mismatch. Marquez was a great lightweight but I even think lightweight was higher than his best weight.
If a fight with the P4P #1 guy is possible, then he doesn't lose his spot until he gets beaten. Floyd needs to beat Pac. Beating #2 doesn't make you #1 (Even though he DESTROYED #2).
I think Marquez could still make 130 if he wanted to.
He only moved up to 135 to chase a third fight with Pacquiao.
Floyd reenters the mythical p4p list, but beating an guy that was 2 weight classes above his natural fighting weight doesn't make you #1.
If it was a Shane Mosley or Miguel Cotto he had beaten last night, then yeah the Floyd supporters have an legitimate argument on why Floyd should be #1 again. But beating a great lightweight (and that's not even JMM's best fighting weight) while you're an Welterweight will have many critics rightly or wrongly.