Gives me great pleasure to say this** IMO**

[CFH]

Just like DLH-Pac was soooooooooo signifigant?

What does that have to do with anything? Pac did not become the consensus P4P #1 based on that fight. Both fights were impressive victories, but Mayweather, in some respects, did what was expected; Pacquiao was expected to lose to ODH. Mayweather fought a great fight tonight, I was very impressed and I have dedicated a large amount of my posts tonight to defending and lauding him. However, what he did tonight in no way diminishes or surpasses Pacquaio's recent accomplishments in my opinion. I think PBF is the better fight but that Pac is more deserving of being P4P #1 at the moment (which just goes to show you how utterly useless and subjective P4P lists are).

Pac scavenged Floyds scraps, the facts are the facts man

Floyd fought and beat a fresher younger DLH at 154 giving up every advantage including glove type, ring size etc...

Manny beat a corpse of DLH

Floyd punished and KO'D a fresh hungry undefeated Hatton.

Pac KO'D beat a dented version who clearly wasnt the same physically or mentally.

Floyd just destroyed a guy Pac went life and death with 2x... Before anyone jumps on the weight train come fight night Pac weighed about 147 for their contest last time out..

That is not even close to being a fact. While Mayweather is clearly the better fighter (IMO), Pac has the superior resume.

The same arguments you're using work both ways and it's very flawed. Pac beat Marquez twice in two close fights, Floyd outclassed and shut out JMM (dare I say a less than prime JMM who was shop-worn from his fights with Pac, Casa, and Diaz); Floyd won a close-ish SD over ODH, Pacquiao destroyed him in a fight that might have even been less competitive than PBF - Marquez. None of that means anything really. The fact is, for the last two or three years, Pacquiao has accomplished far more than Mayweather, as such I would argue that he deserves to be ranked ahead of Floyd in any mythical P4P rankings as a result of that. Nothing you can say will change my mind.

[JT Rock]

What does that have to do with anything? Pac did not become the consensus P4P #1 based on that fight. Both fights were impressive victories, but Mayweather, in some respects, did what was expected; Pacquiao was expected to lose to ODH. Mayweather fought a great fight tonight, I was very impressed and I have dedicated a large amount of my posts tonight to defending and lauding him. However, what he did tonight in no way diminishes or surpasses Pacquaio's recent accomplishments in my opinion. I think PBF is the better fight but that Pac is more deserving of being P4P #1 at the moment (which just goes to show you how utterly useless and subjective P4P lists are).

Pac scavenged Floyds scraps, the facts are the facts man

Floyd fought and beat a fresher younger DLH at 154 giving up every advantage including glove type, ring size etc...

Manny beat a corpse of DLH

Floyd punished and KO'D a fresh hungry undefeated Hatton.

Pac KO'D beat a dented version who clearly wasnt the same physically or mentally.

Floyd just destroyed a guy Pac went life and death with 2x... Before anyone jumps on the weight train come fight night Pac weighed about 147 for their contest last time out..

That is not even close to being a fact. While Mayweather is clearly the better fighter (IMO), Pac has the superior resume.

The same arguments you're using work both ways and it's very flawed. Pac beat Marquez twice in two close fights, Floyd outclassed and shut out JMM (dare I say a less than prime JMM who was shop-worn from his fights with Pac, Casa, and Diaz); Floyd won a close-ish SD over ODH, Pacquiao destroyed him in a fight that might have even been less competitive than PBF - Marquez. None of that means anything really. The fact is, for the last two or three years, Pacquiao has accomplished far more than Mayweather, as such I would argue that he deserves to be ranked ahead of Floyd in any mythical P4P rankings as a result of that. Nothing you can say will change my mind.

Fair enough but dont suggest I'm foolish because you dont share the same opinion I have.. Nothing you can say will change my mind either

[CFH]

Pac scavenged Floyds scraps, the facts are the facts man

Floyd fought and beat a fresher younger DLH at 154 giving up every advantage including glove type, ring size etc...

Manny beat a corpse of DLH

Floyd punished and KO'D a fresh hungry undefeated Hatton.

Pac KO'D beat a dented version who clearly wasnt the same physically or mentally.

Floyd just destroyed a guy Pac went life and death with 2x... Before anyone jumps on the weight train come fight night Pac weighed about 147 for their contest last time out..

That is not even close to being a fact. While Mayweather is clearly the better fighter (IMO), Pac has the superior resume.

The same arguments you're using work both ways and it's very flawed. Pac beat Marquez twice in two close fights, Floyd outclassed and shut out JMM (dare I say a less than prime JMM who was shop-worn from his fights with Pac, Casa, and Diaz); Floyd won a close-ish SD over ODH, Pacquiao destroyed him in a fight that might have even been less competitive than PBF - Marquez. None of that means anything really. The fact is, for the last two or three years, Pacquiao has accomplished far more than Mayweather, as such I would argue that he deserves to be ranked ahead of Floyd in any mythical P4P rankings as a result of that. Nothing you can say will change my mind.

Fair enough but dont suggest I'm foolish because you dont share the same opinion I have.. Nothing you can say will change my mind either

Where did I say you were foolish? I merely agreed with Missy (which pains me more than you will ever know) who said that this didn't mean that PBF should be considered P4P #1.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

That is not even close to being a fact. While Mayweather is clearly the better fighter (IMO), Pac has the superior resume.

The same arguments you're using work both ways and it's very flawed. Pac beat Marquez twice in two close fights, Floyd outclassed and shut out JMM (dare I say a less than prime JMM who was shop-worn from his fights with Pac, Casa, and Diaz); Floyd won a close-ish SD over ODH, Pacquiao destroyed him in a fight that might have even been less competitive than PBF - Marquez. None of that means anything really. The fact is, for the last two or three years, Pacquiao has accomplished far more than Mayweather, as such I would argue that he deserves to be ranked ahead of Floyd in any mythical P4P rankings as a result of that. Nothing you can say will change my mind.

Fair enough but dont suggest I'm foolish because you dont share the same opinion I have.. Nothing you can say will change my mind either

Where did I say you were foolish? I merely agreed with Missy (which pains me more than you will ever know) who said that this didn't mean that PBF should be considered P4P #1.

you're off the BJ list

[Youngblood]

Fair enough but dont suggest I'm foolish because you dont share the same opinion I have.. Nothing you can say will change my mind either

Where did I say you were foolish? I merely agreed with Missy (which pains me more than you will ever know) who said that this didn't mean that PBF should be considered P4P #1.

you're off the BJ list

saaaweeeet. I'm finally bumped up a notch!

[TheMacMagician]

P4P is pure mythical crap, come on. Lets have Floyd as a good old, lineal Welterweight champ. That means he needs to beat Cotto, Mosely and Berto, end of........ PBF would starch PAC, let get back to some real competetive fights for the lad shall we...... If he's so great like he spouts off to be, he'd fight a fair competetive fights. The weight for this fight was farcical.

Just to add, fighting Paul Williams would absolve him of a fight with all three of the above. Bet you PBF don't have the balls to fight him for sure.....

[Kel]

P4P is pure mythical crap, come on. Lets have Floyd as a good old, lineal Welterweight champ. That means he needs to beat Cotto, Mosely and Berto, end of........ PBF would starch PAC, let get back to some real competetive fights for the lad shall we...... If he's so great like he spouts off to be, he'd fight a fair competetive fights. The weight for this fight was farcical.

Just to add, fighting Paul Williams would absolve him of a fight with all three of the above. Bet you PBF don't have the balls to fight him for sure.....

Yeah I'm with you, he beat a lightweight as a Welterweight woohoo, I fell asleep so missed the fight but I'm surprised as hell he could not stop him.

[ono]

P4P is pure mythical crap, come on. Lets have Floyd as a good old, lineal Welterweight champ. That means he needs to beat Cotto, Mosely and Berto, end of........ PBF would starch PAC, let get back to some real competetive fights for the lad shall we...... If he's so great like he spouts off to be, he'd fight a fair competetive fights. The weight for this fight was farcical.

Just to add, fighting Paul Williams would absolve him of a fight with all three of the above. Bet you PBF don't have the balls to fight him for sure.....

Why would he fight Paul Williams. He filled half an arena against Winky. What would he make from fighting Williams?

He's either going to get Pac/Cotto or Mosley. And he'll beat all 3. Williams would be tough but he doesn't sell tickets. High risk, low reward fight. I'd like to see it, but it's not happening and i don't blame Floyd. it doesn't make business sense. Besides, after he beat him there would be 15 threads about how he wouldn't beat Berto.

[rjj tszyu]

Without doubt. He left as clear number 1 he came back, he fought and he conquered a true modern day great. People are getting on about all the natural advantages and weight and blah blah blah. What about the fact he hadn't fought for 2 years? Surely that wasn't an advantage for him?

For me the best fighter P4P since a prime Roy Jones and they are very close, maybe Roy had the better, faster combos but on the flipside Floyd's defence will still work when his speed diminishes whereas Roy learned the hard way that when his speed went his unorthodoxy was his downfall! That time still has to come for Floyd but I don't see him suffering the heavy KO's Roy did!

[Mao's Favourite Starling]

imo P4P is nonsense anyway! it's bollocks pure and simple! In one weight division you can maybe use it as a guage but.....

the whole premise is pound (English Sterling pound, as in £) per pound (in weight of fighter)


How the hell can you try and compare the likes of PBF, Pac & Cotto to the big lumps like the Klitsch's, Valuev etc!

'Oh yeah Vitali would destroy PBF with one jab!'

'But Vitali wouldn't be able to catch Floyd'

I hate the p4p tag, it means nowt to me and it has only come into such popular usage over the past few years with the actions of..... quel suprise 'moneys' promoters

[Macho]

Floyd looked Spectacular last night and Is interesting when we heard peoples asking a Floyd vs Pacman fight , IMO for What ? Pac vs Marquez was a closer fight and to me that could be the similar fight that Marquez did , though Pacman is more aggressive and offensive , but i seeing that that most of fans have to understand that they are in high weight , now with that Marquez fight and the next of Cotto vs Pac we can determine how they could handle their weights with a competitive fighters.......

Both made a good fight , Congratulations !!!!!!!!!!

[CFH]

Fair enough but dont suggest I'm foolish because you dont share the same opinion I have.. Nothing you can say will change my mind either

Where did I say you were foolish? I merely agreed with Missy (which pains me more than you will ever know) who said that this didn't mean that PBF should be considered P4P #1.

you're off the BJ list

Meh, as long as Big H doesn't honor your ban I'm all good.

[Dizaster]

Yep, I still think Pac is #1.... It's easily arguable that he could beat anyone down from his current weight of 140... And is now going for a fighter who is very formidable at 147... yes it's a catch weight forget that.. The principle Pac is ruling his weight division down, and is chasing the biggest fights possible upwards...

Floyd came back to take on someone who's previous win was at 135.. Not 140, not 147, and not even chasing a fighter from 154, EVEN at a catch weight...

Regardless of how he showed his skills again, how the f'ck can someone who's been out of boxing for 3 years, come back and fight someone who's naturally 12 pounds less and go straight to number 1 P4P... Espeically when P4P Pac is going for much much much more challenging fights for his weight, and winning them so far...

Usually agree with JT but sorry, Floyd gotta take on the highest ranked opponent at 147 AT LEASTTTTTT to be considered for P4P #1 again...

He's got skills and arguably the best boxer on the planet right now, probably not arguably in many people's eyes, but his opposition needs to reflect that IMO considering his biggest challenger for P4P, Pac, is doing that with success..

[Dizaster]

It's like how someone said, How can Vasquez still be in the top 10 P4P when he's been so inactive...

Do P4P rankings go by who you WOULD beat because of your superior skills, or who you ARE beating because of your superior skills...

For me it is the latter in most cases... And Pac has earnt that more than Floyd...

(((The other perspective of if Floyd and Pac met around 145 and you predict Floyd would win so he should naturally be P4P right way... I think that's too thin of a reason for Floyd to be straight up p4p right now with only the marquez fight under his belt since returning...)))

[Julius Rain]

Well Diz, JT is the same guy who said Joe Calzagne should be p4p #1 after floyd retired. Disregarding Pac who was at the time #2 the only man behind floyd.