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Why Manny can't beat Floyd
First of all I am as big of a Pacquiao supporter as anyone on here, people said I was a nuthugger, but now that Pacquiao has emphatically proven himself an ATG, at least top 15 ever. After watching both Mayweather-marquez and Pacquiao-Cotto live, I know that Manny won't beat Floyd.
1st. Manny showed something I didn't think he had, the ability to absorbs Cotto's power and stand there and trade, but that doesn't help him whatsoever against Mayweather. Mayweather doesn't need to hurt you to dominate you.
2nd: Mayweather comes forward against southpaws, and Manny needs space to get off his punches, but also he isn't nearly as effective going backwards. Mayweather will keep Manny on his heels and constantly land that right cross which Manny is wide open for all night long.
3rd: Speed. Now they are both the same speed, but Manny relies on being faster way more than Mayweather, thats why the faster the opponent's hands and/or feet are the harder of a time Manny has with them.
4th: Holes. I think Cotto did a good job early of showing that if you are brave enough Manny can be counter effectively because he leaves himself so wide open after he throws punches, I think Marquez demonstrated this far more accutely in their two fights. I think Judah gave Cotto less problems than Manny because Cotto can be hit, but you need to throw punches to hit somebody, and Judah doesn't throw enough punches. I think Judah in terms of landing solidly would give Mayweather more problems than Pacquiao because against Mayweather its about landing that tight left cross as a counter puncher that does the trick, and Manny doesn't have that punch. Manny whole style and stance doesn't allow for him to catch somebody coming in with the left cross effectively. He either flurries back or counters with the right hook which Floyd would easily dodge.
Conclusion: Mayweather will carefully back Pacquiao up, take a couple of rounds to get used to his speed and what he does(just like against Judah), then Floyd will pick Manny's porous defense apart. If guys like Marquez and Cotto can left cleanly on Manny then Mayweather will do it much easier than either of them, and nobody lands punches in bunches consistently against Floyd who also has a great chin if some punches get through.
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
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Taeth
No disrespect mate but the thread title sounds stupid really. I mean cmon ....
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
Just like when I said Manny would beat Cotto or Mosley, and that it wasn't because Oscar was old or Hatton was tailor made that Manny beat them also because he was a great fighter?
Manny is a great fighter, but Floyd is better, and I will be saying this now and until I go to the fight. Floyd can't lose this fight unless he has an injury. Pacquiao is way too tailor made for him. Manny gets caught out of position, the way he throws punches offensively will be relatively easy for Mayweather to block, and Manny isn't super great at throwing punches of his back foot.
I just don't get why people don't see how this fight likely won't even be that competitive. Floyd has all the right tools to handle Pacquiao.
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Taeth
1st. Manny showed something I didn't think he had, the ability to absorbs Cotto's power and stand there and trade, but that doesn't help him whatsoever against Mayweather. Mayweather doesn't need to hurt you to dominate you.
One shot. And the complexion of the game can turn in pac's favor. Work rate mate. Floyd can run. but can he run for 12 rounds?
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Taeth
2nd: Mayweather comes forward against southpaws, and Manny needs space to get off his punches, but also he isn't nearly as effective going backwards. Mayweather will keep Manny on his heels and constantly land that right cross which Manny is wide open for all night long.
Are you sure about this? Floyd coming forward? againts Pacquiao? You must be thinking of someone else
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Taeth
4th: Holes. I think Cotto did a good job early of showing that if you are brave enough Manny can be counter effectively because he leaves himself so wide open after he throws punches
He had success because because Manny stood there and tested the left hooks and uppecuts. For Psy purposes if i may state
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Taeth
Conclusion: Mayweather will carefully back Pacquiao up, take a couple of rounds to get used to his speed and what he does(just like against Judah), then Floyd will pick Manny's porous defense apart. If guys like Marquez and Cotto can left cleanly on Manny then Mayweather will do it much easier than either of them, and nobody lands punches in bunches consistently against Floyd who also has a great chin if some punches get through.
uLOL that wont happen hahahha
Back him up at your own risk - Larry Merchant
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
Truth is only few really knew how Pacquiao would do against Dela Hoya. No one really new what would happen when Pacquiao faced Hatton. And not even Roach knew Pacuqiao could walk through Cotto's punches in the later rounds the way Hatton walked through Malignaggi's. And the Truth is no one knows what will happen if Pacquiao faces Mayweather.
Maywether looked impressive against JMM and a lesser fighter like Chris John beat him too. Mayweather looked beatable against Dela Hoya winning by a split decision.
I'd like to see Mayweather try to crowd Pacquiao. I don't think it works. I don't see Mayweather having the courage to go toe to toe because Mayweather doesn't like getting hit. Mayweather doesn't have the punching power of Cotto. Mayweather would do nothing but run. He won't be interested in making a fight of it. He'll only want to box from the outside.
If they have the same speed they will both get hit. Pacquiao's speed shows up in the later rounds once his opponent starts slowing down. Pacquiao got hit against Cotto more because the fool was testing Cotto's power.
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
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Taeth
Just like when I said Manny would beat Cotto or Mosley, and that it wasn't because Oscar was old or Hatton was tailor made that Manny beat them also because he was a great fighter?
Manny is a great fighter, but Floyd is better, and I will be saying this now and until I go to the fight. Floyd can't lose this fight unless he has an injury. Pacquiao is way too tailor made for him. Manny gets caught out of position, the way he throws punches offensively will be relatively easy for Mayweather to block, and Manny isn't super great at throwing punches of his back foot.
Pacquiao comes up new everytime up.
Roach lays down the plan
Pac doesnt worry about the promotion or the plan. he executes it.
Whatever technical flaws or shortcoming that pac may have againts Floyd ( You must be a 12 yr old moron if you think this fight is competitive just 5 yrs ago ) Roach will have something to fix it uo en route to a great fight plan.
Dont write Pacquiao off. Its a fair warning :)
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Wow you guys haven't watched Floyd at all, he always backs up southpaws with both hands up high. I thought Manny should have used a lot more movement against Cotto, but he wanted to prove a point, but regardless Pacquiao can be backed up relatively easily because he moves in and out, he isn't a guy who just comes forward, but if you can get him consistently moving back thats where he isn't as good. The fight against Hatton doesn't count because obviously a heavy hitter with speed would pick Hatton apart because he's so open when he comes in.
The problem is when you watch the Marquez fight Manny wasn't the offensively killer he was in later fights, and thats because Marquez didn't let him. Marquez was able to control the ring and even was more success leading in with the cross than Pacquiao was. Now put Mayweather in Marquez's shoes, a guy who blatantly showed he's bigger, faster, and stronger and better than Marquez, and Manny won't be able to get started.
The best way to beat a Ferrari in a race is to never let the key go into the ignition, and Mayweather wouldn't let Manny find his rhythm. Floyd will come forwad behind a high guard, and he will land right hand after right hand, and Manny will occasionally flurry, but Mayweather will either stand there and block the majority of them or move back quickly and stay out of Manny's range, then he will go right back to walking Manny down.
If Mayweather does choose to move and box which he doesn't do against southpaws, Manny is wide open when he moves in, and Mayweather will land counter right hands all night long, and Manny won't be able to even fight his range, but thats not how Mayweather will fight Manny.
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Good thing you point out that Pacman can absorb the power of a welterweight. I guess Mayweather lacks power, and it is true that Floyd doesnt need to brutally hurt pacman in order to win. Its not his style anyway, and he wont engage in an action-packed exchanges coz he knows Manny can shoot the lights out of him. He doesnt want to gamble, and he hates it. He wants to keep it safe, and the safest way to win against someone like pacman is to run away and jab constantly. That my be enough to outpoint Pacman.
Second, I think Mayweather will not come forward against this particular south paw. He will back off every time and keeps his distance. Besides, he has that advantage on reach against Pacman. He will keep his distance, back pedaling while trowing some jabs. Right cross should be used rarely, that punch will open up his right chin and thus inviting the devastating left hand of pacman. He dont want to end up like Hatton, Im sure.
Third, Speed is at the same level, but I can see Mayweather being more hittable than Pacman. But all in all I see speed will play a factor in the later rounds. The one who has more gas will eventually have the edge in speed.
Fourth, both have holes, Floyd has been tagged by Judah several times, Hatton and dela hoya did a little off but were able to land some clean blows to him as well. Pacman has the same problems. The thing here is how would these two fighters handle the punch. The question is can pacman handle Floyd's punch, and if Floyd can handle Pacman's punch?
My Conclusion:
Floyd will run around. Manny will chase him and invite him to fight like a P4P king, or at least to fight like a man. Floyd will be very slippery. Dancing away, and hitting Pacman with bitch slaps that doesnt hurt at all. Pacman will get frustrated and would probably quit on his stool laughing.
So there you go folks. A great night for boxing.
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
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Taeth
1st. Manny showed something I didn't think he had, the ability to absorbs Cotto's power and stand there and trade, but that doesn't help him whatsoever against Mayweather. Mayweather doesn't need to hurt you to dominate you.
One shot. And the complexion of the game can turn in pac's favor. Work rate mate. Floyd can run. but can he run for 12 rounds?
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Taeth
2nd: Mayweather comes forward against southpaws, and Manny needs space to get off his punches, but also he isn't nearly as effective going backwards. Mayweather will keep Manny on his heels and constantly land that right cross which Manny is wide open for all night long.
Are you sure about this? Floyd coming forward? againts Pacquiao? You must be thinking of someone else
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Taeth
4th: Holes. I think Cotto did a good job early of showing that if you are brave enough Manny can be counter effectively because he leaves himself so wide open after he throws punches
He had success because because Manny stood there and tested the left hooks and uppecuts. For Psy purposes if i may state
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Taeth
Conclusion: Mayweather will carefully back Pacquiao up, take a couple of rounds to get used to his speed and what he does(just like against Judah), then Floyd will pick Manny's porous defense apart. If guys like Marquez and Cotto can left cleanly on Manny then Mayweather will do it much easier than either of them, and nobody lands punches in bunches consistently against Floyd who also has a great chin if some punches get through.
uLOL that wont happen hahahha
Back him up at your own risk - Larry Merchant
1. Mayweather has a way better chin than Hatton or Cotto and he's 10x harder to hit cleanly.
2. Watch Mayweather any other southpaw.
3. Pacquiao didn't stand there against Marquez, who hit him continually with ease. That same Marquez is slower, smaller, and less accurate than Mayweather as was painfully evident in their fight.
4. Larry Merchant is a fucking idiot. When Cotto was coming forward and staying cautious he was beating Manny, when he opened up tried to trade, he was getting beaten up by Manny.
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Taeth
Wow you guys haven't watched Floyd at all, he always backs up southpaws with both hands up high. I thought Manny should have used a lot more movement against Cotto, but he wanted to prove a point, but regardless Pacquiao can be backed up relatively easily because he moves in and out, he isn't a guy who just comes forward, but if you can get him consistently moving back thats where he isn't as good. The fight against Hatton doesn't count because obviously a heavy hitter with speed would pick Hatton apart because he's so open when he comes in.
The problem is when you watch the Marquez fight Manny wasn't the offensively killer he was in later fights, and thats because Marquez didn't let him. Marquez was able to control the ring and even was more success leading in with the cross than Pacquiao was. Now put Mayweather in Marquez's shoes, a guy who blatantly showed he's bigger, faster, and stronger and better than Marquez, and Manny won't be able to get started.
The best way to beat a Ferrari in a race is to never let the key go into the ignition, and Mayweather wouldn't let Manny find his rhythm. Floyd will come forwad behind a high guard, and he will land right hand after right hand, and Manny will occasionally flurry, but Mayweather will either stand there and block the majority of them or move back quickly and stay out of Manny's range, then he will go right back to walking Manny down.
If Mayweather does choose to move and box which he doesn't do against southpaws, Manny is wide open when he moves in, and Mayweather will land counter right hands all night long, and Manny won't be able to even fight his range, but thats not how Mayweather will fight Manny.
You realize Backing Pacquiao up literally means Floyd will be there in front on him right?
That would be a good strategy againts the version that fought Morales the 1st time (1st fight above 126). But againts this 30 yr old version? Fuck no way. PAC will overwhelm him. Stamina is Pac's under rated friend and will serve him well. Pac has the power of a welterweight, Floyd will have a taste consistently en route to a UD loss or a TKO loss. MO of the fight at least.
I really hope Floyd execute that plan.
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
Backing Manny up is the best way to stop him from throwing punches. Marquez stood right in front of this version of Manny and when he started landing punches, Manny stopped throwing.
Manny has the power of a welterweight sure, but Mayweather has tasted the power of Oscar at 154 and easily handled it.
Stamina is the friend of both Manny and Mayweather. Both of them train harder than anyone else in the sport and they both have the best stamina in the sport, but I saw Manny getting tired against Cotto and Marquez in their fights, when have we seen Floyd get tired? His style conserves energy.
The kind of pressure that bother Mayweather is the kind Cotto throws at you, Mayweather loves when you punch because then he knows what you are going to do. Its when a guy is reserved and wait to get really close before throwing punches is when it bothers Floyd, and that isn't Manny, and trying to overwhelm Floyd how he throws punches will have him eating counters all night.
The thing is that Pacquiao is great at going backwards when he is fast enough to move out of his opponents range then come forward again, but Mayweather can match his footspeed and that means when Pacquiao tries to change direction to move forward Mayweather will be catching him with punches, thats what Marquez did so effectively. Even though it might look sort of fluid there is distinctive shifts in direction when Manny moves, and you can time him, its just 98% of the boxers are too slow to do it.
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Taeth
1. Mayweather has a way better chin than Hatton or Cotto and he's 10x harder to hit cleanly.
2. Watch Mayweather any other southpaw.
3. Pacquiao didn't stand there against Marquez, who hit him continually with ease. That same Marquez is slower, smaller, and less accurate than Mayweather as was painfully evident in their fight.
4. Larry Merchant is a fucking idiot. When Cotto was coming forward and staying cautious he was beating Manny, when he opened up tried to trade, he was getting beaten up by Manny.
1. Are you sure on How floyd will react after Manny hit him? My guest same as the others. Whats your guess?
2. Ive watched it. Did he back JUdah up the entire fight? Did Zab had early success?
3. Pacquiao didnt stand there he seek him. JMM waited and had some moments.
Just stating facts : JMM-PAC 2 @130 Floyd-JMM @144 Floyd came at 146. Comparing these 2 fights is definately irrelevant.
4. No he's not. He's getting paid doing what we're doing for free (Discussing boxing). I repeat Manny let cotto hit him to test his power and psy him up.
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miron_lang
4. No he's not. He's getting paid doing what we're doing for free (Discussing boxing). I repeat Manny let cotto hit him to test his power and psy him up.
Lol, you guys are acting like if Manny only got hit when he wanted to.
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miron_lang
4. No he's not. He's getting paid doing what we're doing for free (Discussing boxing). I repeat Manny let cotto hit him to test his power and psy him up.
Lol, you guys are acting like if Manny only got hit when he wanted to.
lol
thats not it. he didnt need half the punishment he took.
Im just saying Manny tried something else which allows cotto to do his thing.
I got this idea from pac himself in an interview. he said 3 things
1. He stood there to test the power of a welterweight
2. He pretended that it didnt bother him but he got hurt a few times
3. He wants to prove that he's stronger (I dont know why but he likes to do that)
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I am a Pac fan but I don't want to fool myself out knowing what I see. Outside of a lucky shot I can not figure out how Pac can beat PBF. Hate him or not, PBF is not going to be a good style for Pac. I know Roach is a genius trainer but in 2 fights with Marquez he still never figured him out. Imagine trying to figure out the toughest puzzle in all of boxing on your first shot.
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blegit
I am a Pac fan but I don't want to fool myself out knowing what I see. Outside of a lucky shot I can not figure out how Pac can beat PBF. Hate him or not, PBF is not going to be a good style for Pac. I know Roach is a genius trainer but in 2 fights with Marquez he still never figured him out. Imagine trying to figure out the toughest puzzle in all of boxing on your first shot.
Exactly. Marquez is the second best counter puncher in the world and because of that he gave Pac hell, and who is he second to? You guessed it, Floyd Mayweather, difference is Mayweather is twice as fast, a lot bigger, 10 times more elusive and finally and most importantly the best boxer in the world bar none, including Pac.
I honestly think Mayweather will potshot Pac into defeat and I even see the accumulation of shots being too much for Pac and the fight being stopped late on!
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rjj tszyu
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blegit
I am a Pac fan but I don't want to fool myself out knowing what I see. Outside of a lucky shot I can not figure out how Pac can beat PBF. Hate him or not, PBF is not going to be a good style for Pac. I know Roach is a genius trainer but in 2 fights with Marquez he still never figured him out. Imagine trying to figure out the toughest puzzle in all of boxing on your first shot.
Exactly. Marquez is the second best counter puncher in the world and because of that he gave Pac hell, and who is he second to? You guessed it, Floyd Mayweather, difference is Mayweather is twice as fast, a lot bigger, 10 times more elusive and finally and most importantly the best boxer in the world bar none, including Pac.
I honestly think Mayweather will potshot Pac into defeat and I even see the accumulation of shots being too much for Pac and the fight being stopped late on!
Marquez is the best counterpouncher in LW below no doubt as Roach says if the fight will held at 140 it show the difference.
Look what happens to Marquez at 140 and above? SLOW even didnt hurt Mayweather
Fight Style make fights Floyd has a problems Lefties likes with Corley or Judah, In Judah in the 1st few rounds got nailed Floyd in a flash knockdown but it was counted off , but Judah was not continue his will at the second half.
Hatton was really lost his sheild in 1st attempt in Welters in Collazo
Agree he was the same when was pitted to Mayweather at 147 but in reality Collazo was the one exposed it not Mayweather
Lastly Hatton was undefeated at 140 remember and Pacman nail him coming at Lightweight division
Floyd is far the technical boxer ovious but to me he has gone since the last with Coralles fight.Nothing good after that.
Come on dont count Baldomir as best welters on that time he has 11 losses already why he should fight Cotto who was WBO 140 champion on that time or even 147 or even fight Margarito, he was offered $8M by that time. Also PWilliams was the champion on that time.
Can you give me the best 140 - 147 that Floyd beat that technically good? i cant count on Gatti or Mitchell or even Baldo? Tho Judah was not the same fighter when beaten by points by Baldomir. ODLH is for money and Hatton is over his limit of 147 he was best at 140.
We cant compare really because Mayweather has no real fight at 140-147 comparison with Pacman but basing on Judah with Cotto, FMJ with Hatton and FLoyd with ODLH...its really a 50-50 for both of them. For me I guess a more chance really to win for Pacman.
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Taeth
Wow you guys haven't watched Floyd at all, he always backs up southpaws with both hands up high. I thought Manny should have used a lot more movement against Cotto, but he wanted to prove a point, but regardless Pacquiao can be backed up relatively easily because he moves in and out, he isn't a guy who just comes forward, but if you can get him consistently moving back thats where he isn't as good. The fight against Hatton doesn't count because obviously a heavy hitter with speed would pick Hatton apart because he's so open when he comes in.
The problem is when you watch the Marquez fight Manny wasn't the offensively killer he was in later fights, and thats because Marquez didn't let him. Marquez was able to control the ring and even was more success leading in with the cross than Pacquiao was. Now put Mayweather in Marquez's shoes, a guy who blatantly showed he's bigger, faster, and stronger and better than Marquez, and Manny won't be able to get started.
The best way to beat a Ferrari in a race is to never let the key go into the ignition, and Mayweather wouldn't let Manny find his rhythm. Floyd will come forwad behind a high guard, and he will land right hand after right hand, and Manny will occasionally flurry, but Mayweather will either stand there and block the majority of them or move back quickly and stay out of Manny's range, then he will go right back to walking Manny down.
If Mayweather does choose to move and box which he doesn't do against southpaws, Manny is wide open when he moves in, and Mayweather will land counter right hands all night long, and Manny won't be able to even fight his range, but thats not how Mayweather will fight Manny.
Floyd had problem with Zab. I hope you consider watching again that fight.
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I'd like to see Mayweather try to crowd Pacquiao. Mayweather doesn't have the punching power of Cotto. Mayweather would do nothing but run. He won't be interested in making a fight of it. He'll only want to box from the outside.
If they have the same speed they will both get hit. Pacquiao's speed shows up in the later rounds once his opponent starts slowing down. Pacquiao got hit against Cotto more because the fool was testing Cotto's power.
I agree with Taeth that Floyd will win and if the betting lines open up even remotely close, I'm putting my money on Mayweather. No doubt about it. However, like Taeth, I too am a big fan of Pacquiao, but Mayweather is a different sort of welterweight than Cotto because he fights defensive. In order to win, Manny must get under Mayweather's reach and connect. I like Manny and I sort of see the outcome of this fight as a foregone conclusion with Floyd winning on the cards. I would rather see Manny fight Shane.
Why would Mayweather crowd or push Pacquiao around and turn the fight into an offensive fight? He doesn't generally do that and I don't see why he would change his tune for Pacquiao when Pacquiao is a smaller fighter. Against a bigger fighter Mayweather may have to change his style up but not against Pacquiao. I see Mayweather fighting a defensive fight where he uses his reach and footwork to successfully pot shot Manny from the outside all night and win on the cards. Maybe I need to rewatch the Zab fight?
The only way I see Manny having a chance is if his speed can neutralize Mayweather's defense. I just don't see Manny as able to get in close enough to touch Mayweather.
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Taeth
First of all I am as big of a Pacquiao supporter as anyone on here, people said I was a nuthugger, but now that Pacquiao has emphatically proven himself an ATG, at least top 15 ever. After watching both Mayweather-marquez and Pacquiao-Cotto live, I know that Manny won't beat Floyd.
1st. Manny showed something I didn't think he had, the ability to absorbs Cotto's power and stand there and trade, but that doesn't help him whatsoever against Mayweather. Mayweather doesn't need to hurt you to dominate you.
2nd: Mayweather comes forward against southpaws, and Manny needs space to get off his punches, but also he isn't nearly as effective going backwards. Mayweather will keep Manny on his heels and constantly land that right cross which Manny is wide open for all night long.
3rd: Speed. Now they are both the same speed, but Manny relies on being faster way more than Mayweather, thats why the faster the opponent's hands and/or feet are the harder of a time Manny has with them.
4th: Holes. I think Cotto did a good job early of showing that if you are brave enough Manny can be counter effectively because he leaves himself so wide open after he throws punches, I think Marquez demonstrated this far more accutely in their two fights. I think Judah gave Cotto less problems than Manny because Cotto can be hit, but you need to throw punches to hit somebody, and Judah doesn't throw enough punches. I think Judah in terms of landing solidly would give Mayweather more problems than Pacquiao because against Mayweather its about landing that tight left cross as a counter puncher that does the trick, and Manny doesn't have that punch. Manny whole style and stance doesn't allow for him to catch somebody coming in with the left cross effectively. He either flurries back or counters with the right hook which Floyd would easily dodge.
Conclusion: Mayweather will carefully back Pacquiao up, take a couple of rounds to get used to his speed and what he does(just like against Judah), then Floyd will pick Manny's porous defense apart. If guys like Marquez and Cotto can left cleanly on Manny then Mayweather will do it much easier than either of them, and nobody lands punches in bunches consistently against Floyd who also has a great chin if some punches get through.
If you think Floyd can come forward on Manny and beat him you are out of your mind. Thats asking for brutal punnishment which im sure manny will gladly dish out. If Floyd has a prayer its to stick to his jab and run routine which wont work either. If Floyd comes to Mayweather its gonna be a short night for the money maker, and hes gonna be helped off the canvas not knowing what happened. I seriously for floyds sake hope he doesnt follow your strategy. Wait...scratch that. Floyd please follow that strategy.
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Anyone calling themselves a Pac Fan and picking PBF will be sorely mistaken that they didn't back there so called favorite fighter...
Very disappointing to hear from the Pac supporters that the "reality" result is a Mayweather easy decision and/or possible KO...
I will just look forward to all the egg on everyones face... Unless you're trying to create the win/win situation by picking against your own team. By that i mean if Pac loses you can say "i knew it would happen" and if pac proves you wrong then it was great to be wrong. <---WEAK!!!
It does not take blind faith to see that Pacquiao has all the tools to take out this self proclaimed GOAT... The day will come when Pac rids boxing of this Narcissistic Ass! (it will happen)
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cnote111
Anyone calling themselves a Pac Fan and picking PBF will be sorely mistaken that they didn't back there so called favorite fighter...
Very disappointing to hear from the Pac supporters that the "reality" result is a Mayweather easy decision and/or possible KO...
I will just look forward to all the egg on everyones face... Unless you're trying to create the win/win situation by picking against your own team. By that i mean if Pac loses you can say "i knew it would happen" and if pac proves you wrong then it was great to be wrong. <---WEAK!!!
It does not take blind faith to see that Pacquiao has all the tools to take out this self proclaimed GOAT... The day will come when Pac rids boxing of this Narcissistic Ass! (it will happen)
What the hell you on about??
It's quite refreshing to see so called Pac fans saying Floyd will win, not saying he will win im still undecided but Floyd is the favourite imo.
Say my favourite fighter rite now is Matthew Hatton because im a huge fan do you think I would back him to beat Pac?
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cnote111
Anyone calling themselves a Pac Fan and picking PBF will be sorely mistaken that they didn't back there so called favorite fighter...
Very disappointing to hear from the Pac supporters that the "reality" result is a Mayweather easy decision and/or possible KO...
I will just look forward to all the egg on everyones face... Unless you're trying to create the win/win situation by picking against your own team. By that i mean if Pac loses you can say "i knew it would happen" and if pac proves you wrong then it was great to be wrong. <---WEAK!!!
It does not take blind faith to see that Pacquiao has all the tools to take out this self proclaimed GOAT... The day will come when Pac rids boxing of this Narcissistic Ass! (it will happen)
What the hell you on about??
It's quite refreshing to see so called Pac fans saying Floyd will win, not saying he will win im still undecided but Floyd is the favourite imo.
Say my favourite fighter rite now is Matthew Hatton because im a huge fan do you think I would back him to beat Pac?
If that was the case I'd lose respect for you ;)
Anyway on the subject, I do think Mayweather will win, I saw enough in the fight for how he can beat him & I think HE knows he can beat him.
However, even as a Floyd fan, I'd never say Pacquiao couldn't beat him & I think anyone saying only one of the two can win isn't thinking straight. Like it or not, they are BOTH atgs, between them they've beat up to a dozen possible hall of famers, so for me it's as close a 50-50 fight as we've got in a super-fight in recent times because they are both great.
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
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skel1983
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
Anyone calling themselves a Pac Fan and picking PBF will be sorely mistaken that they didn't back there so called favorite fighter...
Very disappointing to hear from the Pac supporters that the "reality" result is a Mayweather easy decision and/or possible KO...
I will just look forward to all the egg on everyones face... Unless you're trying to create the win/win situation by picking against your own team. By that i mean if Pac loses you can say "i knew it would happen" and if pac proves you wrong then it was great to be wrong. <---WEAK!!!
It does not take blind faith to see that Pacquiao has all the tools to take out this self proclaimed GOAT... The day will come when Pac rids boxing of this Narcissistic Ass! (it will happen)
What the hell you on about??
It's quite refreshing to see so called Pac fans saying Floyd will win, not saying he will win im still undecided but Floyd is the favourite imo.
Say my favourite fighter rite now is Matthew Hatton because im a huge fan do you think I would back him to beat Pac?
There's nothing refreshing about it... I'm cool with the 50/50 comment, and i'm cool with "it won't be easy at all to defeat a fighter like PBF"... But to say Manny "CAN'T" beat Floyd is ludicris... Thats the part i have a problem with especially for a "Pac Fan"..
Also, for you to even compare the likeliness of Matthew Hatton beating pac is equavalent to Pac Beating Floyd was wayyyyy off base.... i think i puked in my mouth a little...
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
THESE ARE TRUE FACTS NOT OPINIONS
pacman cudnt fight cotto on the outside everytime he threw a jab cotto would explode with fast powerful combos you cant fight cotto on the outside you more or less run into a brick wall hes too big too powerful. this is the reason why manny fought on the inside toe to toe with the bomber from peoterico. ON THE OUTSIDE MANNY PUNCHES WOULD NEVER HURT COTTO MANNY KNEW THIS IN AN INSTANCE AND DECIDEED HE NEED TO PLANT HIS FOOT DOWN AND SWING WITH POWER (TOE TO TOE)
knowing this you may say pacman isnt a good boxer he will lose agsint flloyd but you are wrong.
FLLOYD NEVER FOUGHT COTTO FOR A REASON flloyd always says its about the money. cotto had no problems giving manny the bigger share of the ppv buys. cotto had no problems with the catch weight cotto had no problems acepting the fight. if flloyd ever thought he could beat cotto he would have surely faced cotto himself. but he never so this proves to flloyd himself that HE COULD NEVER FIGHT COTTO ON THE OUTSIDE OR INSIDE.
THE FACT IS THAT FLLOYD DIDNT FIGHT COTTO MAGRITO OR MOSELY BEACUSE HE KNOWS HIS JABS WILL JUST BOUNCE OFF AND THEY WUD JUST KEEP ON COMMING PRESSUREING HIM ( U SEE THIS IN THE DELA HOYA FIGHT) IF IT WAS COTTO FIGHTING MAYWHEATHER THAT NIGHT COTTO WOULD HAVE CRUSHED HIM MANNY DID MAYWHEATER A GOOD FAVOUR TAKING COTTO OUT OF THE EQUATION
MANNY HAS FOUGHT JABBERS ALL HIS LIFE MORALES BERRERA DELAHOYA HE KNOWS HOW TO FIGHT PEOPLE THAT JAB EVERYTIME SOMEONE JABS HIM IN THE FACE HE IS LOOKING FOR A WAY TO COUNTER AND A WAY TO GET AROUND IT. IN THE COTTO FIGHT COTTO WAS LANDING THE JAB ON ROUND 1 MANNY WAS MEASUREING IT. IT LED COTTO INTO A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY U EVEN HEAR HIS TRAINER TELLING HIM TO JAB. IF COTTO IN ROUND 1 WAS LANDING JABS WHY DIDNT HE LAND JABS FOR THE REST OF THE FIGHT. THE COTTO JABS WERE GETTING COTTO INTO TROUBLE (WATCH THE FIGHT) MANNY WAS LANDING HARD RIGHT HOOKS EVERYTIME COTTO THREW A JAB
IF FLLOYD IS LOOKING TO STAY ON THE OUTSIDE AND JAB ALL NIGHT HE WILL GET CAUGHT MANNY ALWAYS FIND A WAY INSIDE AND FLLOYDS JAB ISNT AS HARD AS COTTO LEAD LEFT HAND JAB TRUST ME FLLOYDS JAB WILL BOUNCE OFF MANNY LIKE NOTHING AND MANNY WILL KEEP ON COMMING FORWARD PRESSUREING HIM AND PUNCHING HIM WITH HIS POWER SOMTHING DELAHOYA NEVER HAD
THESE ARE ALL FACTS
I HAVENT BEEN WATCHING BOXING LONG BUT I KNOW HOW TO FIGHT
THIS IS WUT WILL HAPEN IF FLOYD FIGHTS MANNY FLOYD. FLOYDS EXTRA ARM REACH WILL JAB MANNY EARLY ON IT LOOKS SO BAD FOR MANNY BUT IN REALITY MANNY FEELS NOHTING. FLLOYD WILL TEST MANNY BRINGING HIS RIGHT HAND INTO THE FIGHT. FAST QUICK RIGHT HANDS BUT MANNY AVOIDS THEM. FLLOYD PLAYS IT SAFE BOXING AND THROWING JABS BUT MANNY MANAGES SLIP AND COUNTER CATCHES FLOYD FLUSH THE CROWD ROAR FLOYDS SMILES BUT KEEPS ON BOXING MANNY PRESSURES MORE MOVING ON HIS TOES SWINGING WITH BOTH HANDS AND PULLING BACK CATCHES FLLOYD WITH A FEW SHOTS THE CROWD ROAR FLOYD SENSES MANY IS WINNING THE ROUNDS FLOYD CHANGES HIS MODE TO MORE AGRESSIVE FIGHTING WITH MANY IN THE CENTER OF THE RINNG FLOYDS HITS MANNY WITH MORE JABS BUT MANNY DOESNT GIVE A FUCK. THEY TRADE IN THE CENTER MANNY IS STARTING TO CATCH FLLOYD FLUSH BACKS HIM IN THE CORNER AND UNLOADS FURIOUS HANDS THE FIGHT IS OVER MANNY TKO'S FLLOYD
THIS IS FACTS
WHAT I REALLY THINK WILL HAPEN IS FLLOYD WILL NEVER FIGHT MANNY JUST LIKE HE NEVER FOUGHT COTTO MAGARIOTO MOSLEY AND PAUL WILLIAMS THE MONEY IS THERE THERE ARE NO EXUCSES IF THIS FIGHT DOESNT HAPPEN ITS COS FLLOYD NEVER INTENDED IT TO HAPPEN. EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT PACMANS FIGHTS ALWAYS THEY NEVER TALK ABOUT FLLOYD PACMAN DID WHAT FLLOYD NEVER DID AND FOUGHT A BIG PUNCHING WELTER WEIGHT CORRALES WAS GIVING HIM TROUBLE AND WALKING HIM DOWN WHAT DO U THINK COTTO WUD DO TO MAYWHEATER
EVERYBODY KNOWS MANNY IS THE FACE OF BOXING EVERYBODY KNOWS MANNY DESERVES THE BIGGER SHARE OF THE FIGHT IF IT EVER HAPPENS. BUT MANNY IS JUST AS COURAGES IN THE RING AS OUTSIDE IT HE IS WILLING TO TAKE A 50 50% AGSAINT FLLOYD I AM CONFIDENT AND SO IS MANNY CONFIDENT THAT HE WOULD BEAT HIM THAT HE WUD TAKE A 50 50
YOU CAN NOT SAY THE SAME ABOUT FLLOYD HE WILL NOT FIGHT PACMAN
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
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cnote111
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skel1983
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
Anyone calling themselves a Pac Fan and picking PBF will be sorely mistaken that they didn't back there so called favorite fighter...
Very disappointing to hear from the Pac supporters that the "reality" result is a Mayweather easy decision and/or possible KO...
I will just look forward to all the egg on everyones face... Unless you're trying to create the win/win situation by picking against your own team. By that i mean if Pac loses you can say "i knew it would happen" and if pac proves you wrong then it was great to be wrong. <---WEAK!!!
It does not take blind faith to see that Pacquiao has all the tools to take out this self proclaimed GOAT... The day will come when Pac rids boxing of this Narcissistic Ass! (it will happen)
What the hell you on about??
It's quite refreshing to see so called Pac fans saying Floyd will win, not saying he will win im still undecided but Floyd is the favourite imo.
Say my favourite fighter rite now is Matthew Hatton because im a huge fan do you think I would back him to beat Pac?
There's nothing refreshing about it... I'm cool with the 50/50 comment, and i'm cool with "it won't be easy at all to defeat a fighter like PBF"... But to say Manny "CAN'T" beat Floyd is ludicris... Thats the part i have a problem with especially for a "Pac Fan"..
Also, for you to even compare the likeliness of Matthew Hatton beating pac is equavalent to Pac Beating Floyd was wayyyyy off base.... i think i puked in my mouth a little...
Why is it ludicrous to think Pac cant beat Floyd??
Floyd is unbeaton fighter who is a great fighter, so cos you got ur head so far up Manny's arse it's ludicrous for anyone to think Pac cant beat probably the best fighter technically we have seen for the last fifthteen years??
I have my favourite fighters but that doesnt cloud my judgement when my fighter is possibly got his hands full im not going to say my man will win whoever he faces just because I get a bit of blood in the end of my penis everytime his name is mentioned!!!
The odds have Floyd a clear favourite will he win we dont know but with the guys skills there is every possibility he makes Pac look silly we will have to see.
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
Of course Mayweather can beat Manny and vice versa.
Mayweather
1. Great Defense
2. Great Offense
3. Very Good Power
4. Great Speed
5. Great Stamina
6. Good punch output
7. Great Counterpuncher
8. Very Good Combinations
9. Backs up weaker fighters or fighters that have expended their energy (Judah). Check his Baldomir and Oscar fight to see what happens against stronger opponents.
10. Great Chin (it rarely been tested but it's held up great)
11. Genius Boxer
Pacquiao
1. Very Good Defense (I'm talking about the constantly improving Pac, please don't bring up Marquez. He's has improved vastly since those fights)
2. Great Offense
3. Great Power
4. Great Speed
5. Great Stamina
6. Great Punch output
7. Great Puncher with both hands
8. Great Combinations
9. Backs up weaker and "stronger" opponents
10. Great chin
11. Genius corner and brilliant execution by Pac.
It's pretty damn even from how I see it but I have to go with Pacquiao by unanimous decision.
Mayweather moves very effectively against stronger opponents and he could outpoint Pac. Pacquiao is the stronger man in this one and I believe his superior combinations will be the difference. I expect/hope the fight to be much more competitive than Cotto. It's not a bandwagon thing either. The only times I didn't pick Pac was against supposedly stronger opponents (DLH and Cotto). He's proven me wrong twice, and against Mayweather I feel the size difference is way less of an issue then Cotto and DLH.
Good luck to both fighters. Both are living legends in my opinion.
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who gives a rats ass if manny cant beat floyd. all i care is that floyd grow some balls to actually fight either manny or shane. when you're in a fight you win some or you lose some. its how the fight was fought. if mayweather wins and we all know he danced all night will you be satisfied? would you think your 60 bucks was worth it? we know manny is outclassed by floyd but then again we all could speculate until the fight is over. we all thought cotto was stronger than manny. some of us thought cotto was gonna ragdoll manny and some of us were dead wrong. stop with all these questions who wins what who beats who.. bullsh*t.. lets just hope the fight is made!
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larryelephant
THESE ARE TRUE FACTS NOT OPINIONS
pacman cudnt fight cotto on the outside everytime he threw a jab cotto would explode with fast powerful combos you cant fight cotto on the outside you more or less run into a brick wall hes too big too powerful. this is the reason why manny fought on the inside toe to toe with the bomber from peoterico. ON THE OUTSIDE MANNY PUNCHES WOULD NEVER HURT COTTO MANNY KNEW THIS IN AN INSTANCE AND DECIDEED HE NEED TO PLANT HIS FOOT DOWN AND SWING WITH POWER (TOE TO TOE)
knowing this you may say pacman isnt a good boxer he will lose agsint flloyd but you are wrong.
FLLOYD NEVER FOUGHT COTTO FOR A REASON flloyd always says its about the money. cotto had no problems giving manny the bigger share of the ppv buys. cotto had no problems with the catch weight cotto had no problems acepting the fight. if flloyd ever thought he could beat cotto he would have surely faced cotto himself. but he never so this proves to flloyd himself that HE COULD NEVER FIGHT COTTO ON THE OUTSIDE OR INSIDE.
THE FACT IS THAT FLLOYD DIDNT FIGHT COTTO MAGRITO OR MOSELY BEACUSE HE KNOWS HIS JABS WILL JUST BOUNCE OFF AND THEY WUD JUST KEEP ON COMMING PRESSUREING HIM ( U SEE THIS IN THE DELA HOYA FIGHT) IF IT WAS COTTO FIGHTING MAYWHEATHER THAT NIGHT COTTO WOULD HAVE CRUSHED HIM MANNY DID MAYWHEATER A GOOD FAVOUR TAKING COTTO OUT OF THE EQUATION
MANNY HAS FOUGHT JABBERS ALL HIS LIFE MORALES BERRERA DELAHOYA HE KNOWS HOW TO FIGHT PEOPLE THAT JAB EVERYTIME SOMEONE JABS HIM IN THE FACE HE IS LOOKING FOR A WAY TO COUNTER AND A WAY TO GET AROUND IT. IN THE COTTO FIGHT COTTO WAS LANDING THE JAB ON ROUND 1 MANNY WAS MEASUREING IT. IT LED COTTO INTO A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY U EVEN HEAR HIS TRAINER TELLING HIM TO JAB. IF COTTO IN ROUND 1 WAS LANDING JABS WHY DIDNT HE LAND JABS FOR THE REST OF THE FIGHT. THE COTTO JABS WERE GETTING COTTO INTO TROUBLE (WATCH THE FIGHT) MANNY WAS LANDING HARD RIGHT HOOKS EVERYTIME COTTO THREW A JAB
IF FLLOYD IS LOOKING TO STAY ON THE OUTSIDE AND JAB ALL NIGHT HE WILL GET CAUGHT MANNY ALWAYS FIND A WAY INSIDE AND FLLOYDS JAB ISNT AS HARD AS COTTO LEAD LEFT HAND JAB TRUST ME FLLOYDS JAB WILL BOUNCE OFF MANNY LIKE NOTHING AND MANNY WILL KEEP ON COMMING FORWARD PRESSUREING HIM AND PUNCHING HIM WITH HIS POWER SOMTHING DELAHOYA NEVER HAD
THESE ARE ALL FACTS
I HAVENT BEEN WATCHING BOXING LONG BUT I KNOW HOW TO FIGHT
THIS IS WUT WILL HAPEN IF FLOYD FIGHTS MANNY FLOYD. FLOYDS EXTRA ARM REACH WILL JAB MANNY EARLY ON IT LOOKS SO BAD FOR MANNY BUT IN REALITY MANNY FEELS NOHTING. FLLOYD WILL TEST MANNY BRINGING HIS RIGHT HAND INTO THE FIGHT. FAST QUICK RIGHT HANDS BUT MANNY AVOIDS THEM. FLLOYD PLAYS IT SAFE BOXING AND THROWING JABS BUT MANNY MANAGES SLIP AND COUNTER CATCHES FLOYD FLUSH THE CROWD ROAR FLOYDS SMILES BUT KEEPS ON BOXING MANNY PRESSURES MORE MOVING ON HIS TOES SWINGING WITH BOTH HANDS AND PULLING BACK CATCHES FLLOYD WITH A FEW SHOTS THE CROWD ROAR FLOYD SENSES MANY IS WINNING THE ROUNDS FLOYD CHANGES HIS MODE TO MORE AGRESSIVE FIGHTING WITH MANY IN THE CENTER OF THE RINNG FLOYDS HITS MANNY WITH MORE JABS BUT MANNY DOESNT GIVE A FUCK. THEY TRADE IN THE CENTER MANNY IS STARTING TO CATCH FLLOYD FLUSH BACKS HIM IN THE CORNER AND UNLOADS FURIOUS HANDS THE FIGHT IS OVER MANNY TKO'S FLLOYD
THIS IS FACTS
WHAT I REALLY THINK WILL HAPEN IS FLLOYD WILL NEVER FIGHT MANNY JUST LIKE HE NEVER FOUGHT COTTO MAGARIOTO MOSLEY AND PAUL WILLIAMS THE MONEY IS THERE THERE ARE NO EXUCSES IF THIS FIGHT DOESNT HAPPEN ITS COS FLLOYD NEVER INTENDED IT TO HAPPEN. EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT PACMANS FIGHTS ALWAYS THEY NEVER TALK ABOUT FLLOYD PACMAN DID WHAT FLLOYD NEVER DID AND FOUGHT A BIG PUNCHING WELTER WEIGHT CORRALES WAS GIVING HIM TROUBLE AND WALKING HIM DOWN WHAT DO U THINK COTTO WUD DO TO MAYWHEATER
EVERYBODY KNOWS MANNY IS THE FACE OF BOXING EVERYBODY KNOWS MANNY DESERVES THE BIGGER SHARE OF THE FIGHT IF IT EVER HAPPENS. BUT MANNY IS JUST AS COURAGES IN THE RING AS OUTSIDE IT HE IS WILLING TO TAKE A 50 50% AGSAINT FLLOYD I AM CONFIDENT AND SO IS MANNY CONFIDENT THAT HE WOULD BEAT HIM THAT HE WUD TAKE A 50 50
YOU CAN NOT SAY THE SAME ABOUT FLLOYD HE WILL NOT FIGHT PACMAN
;D
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
Manny's only chance is a KO but Floyd won't walk onto anything like Cotto did. I think Floyd wins and won't KO him to leave the chance of a rematch.
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
I guess there still some morons who downgrade Pacquiao ability. If the fight happen. Are they gonna eat their word again and again. How many times they eat crow? ;D
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
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THREAD TILE like MANNY CANT BEAT <Put any name here> MUST BE PROHIBITED in these forums...
Taeth
No disrespect mate but the thread title sounds stupid really. I mean cmon ....
....all due respect miron_lang, but Taeth did give very sound reasoning and examples behind his opinion.
maybe it's best titled "Why Manny SHOULDN'T beat Floyd" or "Why Manny WON'T beat Floyd" but I digress.
Manny Pacquiao has proven himself to be a very dangerous fighter, but at times he hasn't been this great. People point alot to the Marquez fight, but hell how about the first fight with Morales???
Floyd is going to be difficult for Manny to beat because Manny is the puncher and Floyd is the defensive expert BUT Floyd can also hurt guys with his counterpunching and I doubt Manny's defense is up to the task of outdueling PBF, it's not Manny's style
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
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1. Mayweather has a way better chin than Hatton or Cotto and he's 10x harder to hit cleanly.
2. Watch Mayweather any other southpaw.
3. Pacquiao didn't stand there against Marquez, who hit him continually with ease. That same Marquez is slower, smaller, and less accurate than Mayweather as was painfully evident in their fight.
4. Larry Merchant is a fucking idiot. When Cotto was coming forward and staying cautious he was beating Manny, when he opened up tried to trade, he was getting beaten up by Manny.[/quote]
Mayweather has a better chin then Cotto? How do we know this? When has Floyds chin really been tested? Floyd like Roy Jones in his prime does not get hit enough to know what his chin is really like.
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
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skel1983
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cnote111
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skel1983
What the hell you on about??
It's quite refreshing to see so called Pac fans saying Floyd will win, not saying he will win im still undecided but Floyd is the favourite imo.
Say my favourite fighter rite now is Matthew Hatton because im a huge fan do you think I would back him to beat Pac?
There's nothing refreshing about it... I'm cool with the 50/50 comment, and i'm cool with "it won't be easy at all to defeat a fighter like PBF"... But to say Manny "CAN'T" beat Floyd is ludicris... Thats the part i have a problem with especially for a "Pac Fan"..
Also, for you to even compare the likeliness of Matthew Hatton beating pac is equavalent to Pac Beating Floyd was wayyyyy off base.... i think i puked in my mouth a little...
Why is it ludicrous to think Pac cant beat Floyd??
Floyd is unbeaton fighter who is a great fighter, so cos you got ur head so far up Manny's arse it's ludicrous for anyone to think Pac cant beat probably the best fighter technically we have seen for the last fifthteen years??
I have my favourite fighters but that doesnt cloud my judgement when my fighter is possibly got his hands full im not going to say my man will win whoever he faces just because I get a bit of blood in the end of my penis everytime his name is mentioned!!!
The odds have Floyd a clear favourite will he win we dont know but with the guys skills there is every possibility he makes Pac look silly we will have to see.
Can't = Impossible = Ludicris <--- Does that clear it up for you...
Do you honestly feel it is impossible for Pac to win???
Maybe the definition of Can't has illuded you for some odd reason...Oh wait, then you post to Miron Lang exactly what i'm saying... "Can't" is the operative word here... You completely jumped on my position and then defended it by saying things like "shouldn't" or Won't for said reasons... That i am fine with..> Healthy debate i am fine with...
But speaking in a "matter of fact" type position is dare i say again... LUDICRIS!
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
This is why because Floyd has pure boxing skills and look at Pacquiao vs Marquez remove the knockdowns and go just on the boxing Marquez won twice and same with Morales 1. Floyd is all wrong for Pacquiao he will win easy cos he is a far better boxer than either of them 2 Pacquiao has improved slightly in last 20 months since last Marquez fight but not much.
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
lol no matter how you praise your own precious Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Manny Pacquiao is still the better fighter and above Mayweather Jr. right now. unless he proves it by fighting elite fighters.
Mayweather's keep talking sh*t. Asking high split against pacman means he don't want to fight the guy.
Anyway stop comparing the fight between Marquez because that's garbage now.
Pacquiao is a complete monster fighter. :cool:
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
Being ranked higher on the ATG list isn't about being the better fighter, its about having the better legacy. Those aren't always the same thing. Joe Louis wouldn't beat Lennox Lewis if his life depended on it, but he's ranked way higher p4p.
Whitaker could beat most of the guys ranked higher than him p4p, but he's still ranked lower because of the lack of drama in his fights.
We constantly see great defensive fighters being ranked lower than great offensive fighters because they look less spectacular. That's why in the top 10 only two of them were considered truly defensive masters (Willie Pep and Benny Leonard), but Leonard had a punch as well. Some people could arguably put Jack Johnson in their top 10 p4p and he was defensive, but he was in a different league than the fighters of his time in every aspect.
All in all people are criticizing me of comparing Pacquiao-marquez to Mayweather-Marquez when I am not. I am comparing Marquez to Mayweather, and what Marquez did to Pacquiao, then seeing what a much better fighter would do in that same situation.
People are overreacting to what I am saying because all they are thinking with their hearts and not their heads, but remember I was the one who said size won't be enough for Hatton or Cotto to beat Pacquiao, I was the one saying Pacquiao could hurt Hatton or Cotto, and that it might be one sided. Now I didn't expect Pacquiao to take Cotto's punches quite as well as he did and I give him kudos for that, but all MAyweather needs to do is keep on landing, I don't think he will ever hurt Pacquiao badly, but Floyd wears a fighter's mind down.
You look at every fighter Mayweather faces, and you see the same thing, they get frustrated because they can't land they get picked apart, even if the punches aren't really hurting them.
Also I don't see why its so hard for people to think Mayweather would back of Manny or fight in the middle. Manny doesn't control the distance between the fighters like a Miguel Cotto or Oscar De La Hoya, all he cares about is having enough distance to get his punches off effectively, or out flurrying his opponent, but what happens when the guy he is facing lands first not only because he is just as fast, but also because he has better reach and straighter punches. Mayweather might not wobble Pacquiao, but if he tees off with his cross, Manny won't be in position to counter, just like against Marquez. Also if you are right in front of Manny with your hands up, he doesn't get the space to put a lot of power in his punches because he doesn't get that legendary body rotation into his left hand or right hook. That's why Cotto only got hurt and hit flush when he got reckless offensively. Either than that Manny was largely landing glancing blows or hitting Cotto on the gloves.
The fact of the matter is I've seen Pacquiao be most effective when he's coming forward or being somebody is recklessly trying to bombard him with pressure. He's been least effective(two fights with Marquez and 1st fight with Morales) when he is forced to box in the middle of the ring and that is because he can't load up that left cross, and he doesn't have a dominant jab, and most of all he doesn't have great defense which means quick accurate punchers hit him quite easily. I've seen Cotto, Marquez, and Morales outbox Pacquiao I think 2 of those fights (Morales and MArquez 1) weren't the modern version of Manny, but you can see the holes that still exist in the Cotto and MArquez 2 fight. It will just take a very special fighter to take advantage of those oppertunities, and be able to match Pacquiao unbelievable athletic gifts, and Mayweather fills all the quotas needed.
1. He's as fast as Manny.
2. Best counter puncher in the world
3. Hardest guy to hit in the world
4. Most accurate puncher in the world
5. Great chin
6. Stamina to match Manny's.
7. Arguably the greatest technical fighter ever.
Manny does have his own traits
1. Fast as anyone in the sport(except Berto)
2. Special knockout power.
3. great accuracy and ability to land multiple punches in a row.
4. A+ chin
5. underrated defensive skills.
6. amazing angles and foot movement.
I think this fight most reminds of in Football in the early 2000's when Patriot's were a much defensively oriented team, and Colts just couldn't get anything done offensively as good as they were, but Patriots were always able to do just enough to win those games.
I don't think Mayweather is a way better fighter than Pacquiao even if he beats Manny in an overwhelmingly decisive manner, but I think he is a little bit better and their styles match up really well for him.
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
To say Manny can't beat Floyd is like one of those comments you get from adolescents on You Tube. Of course Manny has a chance of beating Floyd! Personally, I think it will be a serious test for Mayweather and wouldn't be surprised to see Manny tweak his game further and actually go on and beat him.
Manny has the speed, output and variety of punching to give Mayweather fits. It would be a quality fight, I would go as far as to call it a pick 'em.
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Re: Why Manny can't beat Floyd
1. Mayweather has a way better chin than Hatton or Cotto and he's 10x harder to hit cleanly.
2. Watch Mayweather any other southpaw.
3. Pacquiao didn't stand there against Marquez, who hit him continually with ease. That same Marquez is slower, smaller, and less accurate than Mayweather as was painfully evident in their fight.
4. Larry Merchant is a fucking idiot. When Cotto was coming forward and staying cautious he was beating Manny, when he opened up tried to trade, he was getting beaten up by Manny.[/quote]
Mayweather has a better chin then Cotto? How do we know this? When has Floyds chin really been tested? Floyd like Roy Jones in his prime does not get hit enough to know what his chin is really like.[/quote]
He got hit by the same punch as Cotto did against a far fresher version of Corley, and was far less hurt.
2. He took a clean left hook at the end of 12 rounds against De La Hoya with no problems.
3. He took Judah's power way better than Cotto did, and Judah looked way sharper when he faced Mayweather.
4. Mayweather as champion has been slighly stunned once(against Demarcus Corley). Cotto has been stunned numerous times at 140 and 147(to a lesser degree).
All in all there is no question that Mayweather has a far better chin than Cotto.
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miles
To say Manny can't beat Floyd is like one of those comments you get from adolescents on You Tube. Of course Manny has a chance of beating Floyd! Personally, I think it will be a serious test for Mayweather and wouldn't be surprised to see Manny tweak his game further and actually go on and beat him.
Manny has the speed, output and variety of punching to give Mayweather fits. It would be a quality fight, I would go as far as to call it a pick 'em.
Some fights there is just too much of a stylistic disadvantage for one guy to overcome that it would have to be a really bad night for the other guy to lose.
Its like Hopkins-Pavlik/Trinidad it would have taken something really wrong with Hopkins to lose those fights. I think they looked against almost everyone, but there were glaring holes in their technique and it took the right fighter to bring those problems to bare. I think Pacquiao has far less issues than they do, but Mayweather's style matches up better against Manny then Hopkins' style did versus Tito and Kelly.
