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Hahaha poor Paulie he gets destroyed by Hatton and Cotto who Pac destroys and he accuses Pac of Juicing.
Oh but Paulies evidence comes from a couple of juice heads he hangs out with hahaha What a wanker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DirectorsLive.com | Indie Film Network - Paulie Malignaggi calls Manny Pacquiao a cheater
One thing I like about Malignaggi is you can tell he watches a ton of boxing, he knows what's going on with fighters around him. You can tell he does his homework, everytime he is asked about another fighter he can cite specific fights and what their strengths and weaknesses were in those fights.
He does make a good point about Pacquiao gaining muscle mass over the short period of time. I'm sure anyone that's on here that's worked out to gain muscle mass would agree that adding 17 pounds of muscle in 18 months while engaging in hard core cardio nearly everyday isn't normal. And he does say that he is just speculating.
For me, I have to have faith that the drug tests are conclusive and that PAC has made his rise through the weightclasses is legit.
I don't trust the drug tests and I wouldn't be shocked at all by anybody being on something but does Pacquaio look much different now than from when he was drying out to make 130 and coming in on fight night at 144 than he does now coming in on fight night at 147? Of course he could have been on something all the way back at 130.
Even more so when you consider Manny is an elite athlete who has trained to peak fitness for well over a decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Maybe some skinny kid with good genetics who has never picked up a barbell in his life might pack on a lot of muscle in that period but someone who has already been training for 20 years would find it very hard to suddenly make such a drastic change to his body.
I speak purely as an armchair athlete here though :D
As I've said many times before, just legalise the drugs and we wont have a problem with cheats any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Easy way to level the playing the field and cut out all the hassle.
The saying goes... if you can't lick 'em, join 'em.
Plain and simple. Deep wounds, scar for life.
I hope fallen heroes such as boxing icons, are not a source for these scarring for life. I hope...
I have no idea what you mean by that. Sorry man it's like you're speaking code to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
he's just trying to be deep, it's not goin too well though :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI have no idea what you mean by that. Sorry man it's like you're speaking code to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
I'm not trying to be a dick to him, I honestly don't know what he means by that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe's just trying to be deep, it's not goin too well though :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI have no idea what you mean by that. Sorry man it's like you're speaking code to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
I can see it....just saying.Like a little machine with a prince Valiant haircut...But seriously,seriously doubt it.
Paulie needs to do more taking in the ring...little too Oprahish Lately.Nice enough bright guy,but just fight already.
me neither lol it's just his thing, he always talks like that, kinda reminds me of YodaQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI'm not trying to be a dick to him, I honestly don't know what he means by that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe's just trying to be deep, it's not goin too well though :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Spicoli, what is KananKrus talking about?
Hold one.....wait... checking the back of the nearest cereal box :cwm13:Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
ok...I'm thinking stamp collecting on the first line ? The Commas probally have CFH fuming....and a subtle reference to a childhood incident involving Paulie ??? I'm honestly lost on that one.stumped!
Pac has only increased 4 or 5 pounds on fight night since he's been at 130. If he's on steroids he's doing a shitty job for gaining only a few pounds. At 130 he was what 145/146 on fight night, and when he fought Cotto he was 149 on fight night.
So I don't know where he gained 17 pounds of muscle in 18 months come from.
ok it's only 15 lbs. in 20 months but still..............
official weights
3/15/08 - 129
http://www.fightnewsextra.com/cc/FIG...quez_II_15.jpg
11/14/09 - 144
http://mapiles.com/home/wp-content/u...lts-photos.jpg
Compared to JMM who looked washed out with water weight (or maybe pee pee weight)
9/19/09 - 142
http://www.cealagar.com/wp-content/u...weigh-in-7.jpg
I mean, I can see where Paulie would question this.
Me and Danny were listening to that radio show when it was live on Sunday night, and everyone in the chat room was poking fun at him, and asking for someone to translate, because he's talking so damn fast.
They also had Lou DiBella on the show after Paulie, and they asked him about it, and one of his comments was...
"Manny has people in his camp who are well-known to be involved in steroids".
Then Ric asked "Alex Ariza"? To which Lou said...
"You know, i don't even want to get into all of that. Let's just say that it raises a lot of questions".
Here is someone else accusing Manny as well.
Boxing News - BRC - Two of boxing's top echelon fighters, two of the sport's"good guys" are cheaters!.. by Michael Palitoni
I'm not saying it's true, just passing along information. ;)
Killer, the point I'm making is that weigh in pic from when he was at 130 he had dried out some, he came into that second JMM fight weighing 144 at the night of the fight. Now when he goes to weigh in at the official weigh in he comes in at about the same weight, 142-144. He's just not drying out any now.
I don't remember what JMM weighed the night of the second Pacquaio fight but I am pretty sure he didn't put on 14 pounds, Manny had started to outgrow the weight while JMM hadn't.
Now of course this doesn't mean he hadn't been on roids before. But I don't see a big difference from the time of the second Marquez fight to now, he's just not drying out now or at least barely drying out.
Right the difference between then and now is about 15 pounds at bruce lee body fat levels in both weigh-ins. JMM went from 130 (his weight in the second PAC fight) to 142 so 12 lbs. Like I said I have to assume that the testing is legit and PAC is on the up and up. BUT, at the same time I can understand where Paulie is coming from and he has a valid point of suspicion no?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
A fighter's fight night weight is more of his true weight because in this era everyone below the HW division rehydrates to almost their natural weight on fight night.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
His last fight in March of '08 at Super Featherweight.
http://www.worldboxingvideoarchive.c...ges/360261.jpg
14 months later against Hatton at Junior Welterweight, 2 divisions higher.
And he's only 3 pounds heavier from when he fought Marquez.
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8247/360551w.jpg
And although HBO didn;t have the unofficial fight night weight it was reported that Manny was 149 on fight night with Miguel Cotto. So in 20 months from 3 divisions lower to welterweight he put on 4 pounds, not 17 or 15 pounds.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6...cquiao1qk5.jpg
And if we want to go all the way back in early '04 when he fought Marquez at Featherweight he was 137 on fight night, so in 5 1/2 years he put on 12 pounds, hardly what I call conclusive evidence he's on steroids. And he was 25, and now at 31 he's 12 pounds heavier and his body has filled out.
I think Ouma is actually arguing that Manny hasn't put nearly as much muscle as that. The weigh in to a fight is two days before the actual fight. Manny used to have to cut weight and dehydrate to make the limit, as evidenced by the fact he would rehydrate well over 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepRight the difference between then and now is about 15 pounds at bruce lee body fat levels in both weigh-ins. JMM went from 130 (his weight in the second PAC fight) to 142 so 12 lbs. Like I said I have to assume that the testing is legit and PAC is on the up and up. BUT, at the same time I can understand where Paulie is coming from and he has a valid point of suspicion no?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
So he could move up to light welter without actually gaining any muscle mass in theory, he's simply not having to dehydrate at the weigh in, and therefore both his weigh in weight and actual fight night weight are approximately the same.
My guess is Manny has packed on maybe 6 or 7 lbs of muscle, and the rest is just him not dehydrating.
As to the photo's that were put up of Manny and Marquez at superfeather and then welter, well Marquez's body looks shit compared to Manny's in both pics.
Manny just has a better physique than Marquez and always has. So Marquez looking worse at welter isn't unusual to me, he's simply never been as muscular or defined as Manny.
I see what you're saying and it's valid, BUT the official weigh-in is more controlled. The fight-night weights could include clothes, shoes, gloves, full bowels and varying degrees of rehydration.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogA fighter's fight night weight is more of his true weight because in this era everyone below the HW division rehydrates to almost their natural weight on fight night.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
His last fight in March of '08 at Super Featherweight.
http://www.worldboxingvideoarchive.c...ges/360261.jpg
14 months later against Hatton at Junior Welterweight, 2 divisions higher.
And he's only 3 pounds heavier from when he fought Marquez.
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8247/360551w.jpg
And although HBO didn;t have the unofficial fight night weight it was reported that Manny was 149 on fight night with Miguel Cotto. So in 20 months from 3 divisions lower to welterweight he put on 4 pounds, not 17 or 15 pounds.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6...cquiao1qk5.jpg
And if we want to go all the way back in early '04 when he fought Marquez at Featherweight he was 137 on fight night, so in 5 1/2 years he put on 12 pounds, hardly what I call conclusive evidence he's on steroids. And he was 25, and now at 31 he's 12 pounds heavier and his body has filled out.
Interesting that he mentions MaxCell. I heard about some of their stuff from these MMA fighters I trained with whilst I worked in Brussels. They said that it was really good for improving your co-ordination, reflexes etc when fighting & said they could get me some. I'm not the most knowledeable guy about supplements & generally stick to just whey protein when training, so I tried to look into it on the net & couldn't find nothing about any of their actual products & the only mentions of the bioscience company were some government pages. I obviously decided to pass, as it seemed a bit fishy. I can't say for sure whether the product they would have given me would have been illegal, but it is odd that there's nothing out there on the web about their stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane
Anyway, as for Pacquiao taking it, there's no proof, but it can hardly just be put down to crazy old Floyd Sr anymore. I can understand why people are saying it, based on those pictures though, but I'd rather sit in the belief the Pacquiao isn't on anything. Hell, I'm still one of the people who really wants to believe that Shane really didn't know what was in there, so it's going to take more for me to believe that he's cheated :-\
Yes, that is what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI think Ouma is actually arguing that Manny hasn't put nearly as much muscle as that. The weigh in to a fight is two days before the actual fight. Manny used to have to cut weight and dehydrate to make the limit, as evidenced by the fact he would rehydrate well over 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepRight the difference between then and now is about 15 pounds at bruce lee body fat levels in both weigh-ins. JMM went from 130 (his weight in the second PAC fight) to 142 so 12 lbs. Like I said I have to assume that the testing is legit and PAC is on the up and up. BUT, at the same time I can understand where Paulie is coming from and he has a valid point of suspicion no?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
So he could move up to light welter without actually gaining any muscle mass in theory, he's simply not having to dehydrate at the weigh in, and therefore both his weigh in weight and actual fight night weight are approximately the same.
My guess is Manny has packed on maybe 6 or 7 lbs of muscle, and the rest is just him not dehydrating.
As to the photo's that were put up of Manny and Marquez at superfeather and then welter, well Marquez's body looks shit compared to Manny's in both pics.
Manny just has a better physique than Marquez and always has. So Marquez looking worse at welter isn't unusual to me, he's simply never been as muscular or defined as Manny.
For what its worth, I'm not even really arguing that he isn't on them, he has to be a candidate along with Bernard, Roy during his move to heavy, and on and on. I wouldn't be surprised by anything and Mosley knew ;D
All I'm saying is I don't think his body change since he moved from 130 up is as dramatic as some would say.
Its clear he was outgrowing 130 and its clear he's not really having to work to make weight anymore, probably not even having to work that hard to make 140, whereas before he was out and out cutting to make 130. He weighed 144 the night of the second Marquez fight, he probably weighed 150 at most the night of the Cotto fight. I can't remember the exact number though.
Okay so maybe he was 149 the night of the Cotto fight. I really have to start reading people's posts.
I think Jones almost certainly was from the jump he did, but I'd say B-Hop isn't simply for how his body looks at different weights. He tends to look just a little paunchy to me at the LHW limit when compared to his MW days & his fights at 170. I don't think that many guys are on them. Only Roy & Shane definitely were imo (& Toney but he obviously washed up down with barrels of beer) & I'll still cling to the conviction that Shane didn't know. Even if he almost certainly did :(Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanYes, that is what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI think Ouma is actually arguing that Manny hasn't put nearly as much muscle as that. The weigh in to a fight is two days before the actual fight. Manny used to have to cut weight and dehydrate to make the limit, as evidenced by the fact he would rehydrate well over 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
So he could move up to light welter without actually gaining any muscle mass in theory, he's simply not having to dehydrate at the weigh in, and therefore both his weigh in weight and actual fight night weight are approximately the same.
My guess is Manny has packed on maybe 6 or 7 lbs of muscle, and the rest is just him not dehydrating.
As to the photo's that were put up of Manny and Marquez at superfeather and then welter, well Marquez's body looks shit compared to Manny's in both pics.
Manny just has a better physique than Marquez and always has. So Marquez looking worse at welter isn't unusual to me, he's simply never been as muscular or defined as Manny.
For what its worth, I'm not even really arguing that he isn't on them, he has to be a candidate along with Bernard, Roy during his move to heavy, and on and on. I wouldn't be surprised by anything and Mosley knew ;D
All I'm saying is I don't think his body change since he moved from 130 up is as dramatic as some would say.
Its clear he was outgrowing 130 and its clear he's not really having to work to make weight anymore, probably not even having to work that hard to make 140, whereas before he was out and out cutting to make 130. He weighed 144 the night of the second Marquez fight, he probably weighed 150 at most the night of the Cotto fight. I can't remember the exact number though.
Pualie has now affirmed his stature as a stone cold head case. :pissing:
It's a little awkward having a debate with someone that sees both sides of the argument............stop it ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanYes, that is what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI think Ouma is actually arguing that Manny hasn't put nearly as much muscle as that. The weigh in to a fight is two days before the actual fight. Manny used to have to cut weight and dehydrate to make the limit, as evidenced by the fact he would rehydrate well over 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
So he could move up to light welter without actually gaining any muscle mass in theory, he's simply not having to dehydrate at the weigh in, and therefore both his weigh in weight and actual fight night weight are approximately the same.
My guess is Manny has packed on maybe 6 or 7 lbs of muscle, and the rest is just him not dehydrating.
As to the photo's that were put up of Manny and Marquez at superfeather and then welter, well Marquez's body looks shit compared to Manny's in both pics.
Manny just has a better physique than Marquez and always has. So Marquez looking worse at welter isn't unusual to me, he's simply never been as muscular or defined as Manny.
For what its worth, I'm not even really arguing that he isn't on them, he has to be a candidate along with Bernard, Roy during his move to heavy, and on and on. I wouldn't be surprised by anything and Mosley knew ;D
All I'm saying is I don't think his body change since he moved from 130 up is as dramatic as some would say.
Its clear he was outgrowing 130 and its clear he's not really having to work to make weight anymore, probably not even having to work that hard to make 140, whereas before he was out and out cutting to make 130. He weighed 144 the night of the second Marquez fight, he probably weighed 150 at most the night of the Cotto fight. I can't remember the exact number though.
Like I said I believe PAC is doing everything legit. And it's duly noted that has been rehydrating less. All I'm saying is I can see where Malignaggi is coming from.
Yeah I don't see a reason so much to speculate about Bernard by the look of his body but I'm surprised there isn't slightly more speculation about him just cause, well, he shouldn't be able to still be this good. But then again I think he probably worked harder than almost anybody and he hasn't taken a lot of wear and tear over the years due to his style.
But if he was a baseball player, and still one of the best at what 45, 46, however old he is there would be speculation almost certainly.
Youngblood called me wishy washy the other day when I argued for and against fucking that American girl who killed that British girl in Italy. Maybe I am getting wishy washy. I don't know. But she was not bad and yet a killer.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepIt's a little awkward having a debate with someone that sees both sides of the argument............stop it ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanYes, that is what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
For what its worth, I'm not even really arguing that he isn't on them, he has to be a candidate along with Bernard, Roy during his move to heavy, and on and on. I wouldn't be surprised by anything and Mosley knew ;D
All I'm saying is I don't think his body change since he moved from 130 up is as dramatic as some would say.
Its clear he was outgrowing 130 and its clear he's not really having to work to make weight anymore, probably not even having to work that hard to make 140, whereas before he was out and out cutting to make 130. He weighed 144 the night of the second Marquez fight, he probably weighed 150 at most the night of the Cotto fight. I can't remember the exact number though.
Like I said I believe PAC is doing everything legit. And it's duly noted that has been rehydrating less. All I'm saying is I can see where Malignaggi is coming from.
I would laugh for days if Paulie tested positive. Not cause of this. Just cause he's powderpuff.
I agree, we've got a reputation to uphold around here. At least this thread will resume normal service once the masses get on here tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepIt's a little awkward having a debate with someone that sees both sides of the argument............stop it ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFanYes, that is what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
For what its worth, I'm not even really arguing that he isn't on them, he has to be a candidate along with Bernard, Roy during his move to heavy, and on and on. I wouldn't be surprised by anything and Mosley knew ;D
All I'm saying is I don't think his body change since he moved from 130 up is as dramatic as some would say.
Its clear he was outgrowing 130 and its clear he's not really having to work to make weight anymore, probably not even having to work that hard to make 140, whereas before he was out and out cutting to make 130. He weighed 144 the night of the second Marquez fight, he probably weighed 150 at most the night of the Cotto fight. I can't remember the exact number though.
Like I said I believe PAC is doing everything legit. And it's duly noted that has been rehydrating less. All I'm saying is I can see where Malignaggi is coming from.
I basically agree with most of what you & Ouma have said. Ouma I do agree that his age is a factor, but then when you look at his earlier career, he was a different fighter, he's adapted his style in the same way that other fighters like Oscar or PBF have adapted to going up in weight.
I'm still going to keep backing Pacquiao, I always thought he was a big guy in a small weight-class, but with how he maintains that ripped look & the way his power & speed have carried up there were always going to be questions. But, until they prove something I'll stay a believer. I don't follow baseball, so I'm yet to become as cynical as the Americans on here about sportstars.
Pac was 144 againts Morales in 2005.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Let's say he's 150 againts Cotto.
That's 6 pounds in 4 yrs. He's not just draining for the weigh in. and that works wonders.
Already covered this my man, read the rest of the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langPac was 144 againts Morales in 2005.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Let's say he's 150 againts Cotto.
That's 6 pounds in 4 yrs. He's not just draining for the weigh in. and that works wonders.
Yeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepAlready covered this my man, read the rest of the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langPac was 144 againts Morales in 2005.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Let's say he's 150 againts Cotto.
That's 6 pounds in 4 yrs. He's not just draining for the weigh in. and that works wonders.
In addition:
Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.
so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true
- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)
- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life
- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time
That's the biggest case for it right there. I have a hard time picturing someone getting all roided out, getting the adrenalin pumping for 40 minutes and then saying in a perfectly calm voice "I'm just doing my job, it's nothing personal". I would imagine something more like a tyson "He ain't no Alexander, I'm Alexander PRAISE BE TO ALLAH" in response to a "was this the fastest KO you've ever had?" question.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langYeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepAlready covered this my man, read the rest of the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
In addition:
Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.
so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true
- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)
- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life
- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time
Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThat's the biggest case for it right there. I have a hard time picturing someone getting all roided out, getting the adrenalin pumping for 40 minutes and then saying in a perfectly calm voice "I'm just doing my job, it's nothing personal". I would imagine something more like a tyson "He ain't no Alexander, I'm Alexander PRAISE BE TO ALLAH" in response to a "was this the fastest KO you've ever had?" question.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langYeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
In addition:
Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.
so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true
- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)
- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life
- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time
Roid Rage can also be a misconception towards how someone just truly is. Did Mark Mcguire ever act like a raving lunatic? He seemed to be one of the most level guys in the world but he was juicing. Sometimes people that use roids aren't so aggressive in front of the camera, moreso it happens at home.
Not saying he is, but just saying just because when he was in front of the camera he was always smiling doesn't mean he would be that way in private. Even crocodiles grin at people.
Mosley didn't get caught through testing. Read the article I posted on page 2 of this thread, it talks about how he got busted, and that the substance being used, can't be detected by current testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langYeah. sorry mate. replied before reading the posts. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepAlready covered this my man, read the rest of the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
In addition:
Fighters like James Toney and Shane Mosley tested positive and got caught. So if Pacquiao is really roiding he must be using something that is undetectable and he must be the only fighter using this. Well maybe also Floyd because only the two of them have shown this invincible aura recently.
so if Pacquiao is roiding these conditions must be true
- Manny Pacquaio is using a roid that is undetectable that makes him faster, stronger, better right hooks and better chin (He should share it with Donairre)
- He's roiding while filming Movies, Filming Commercial, playing Billiards, Political activities, Playing basketball and Family life
- The substance doesnt affect his mental stability as pac affears to be happy all the time
ahh what the heck.. i guess its just paulies way of tugging on pacmans cape. maybe someday pac will turn around ask paulie to come up to 147 and they could dance. paulies mouth has more power than his punch i tell you that much.
Baseball doesn't get the blood flowing anything close to boxing, I mean in boxing you are tapping into primal aggression, baseball...........well you are just sitting around until it's your turn to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThat's the biggest case for it right there. I have a hard time picturing someone getting all roided out, getting the adrenalin pumping for 40 minutes and then saying in a perfectly calm voice "I'm just doing my job, it's nothing personal". I would imagine something more like a tyson "He ain't no Alexander, I'm Alexander PRAISE BE TO ALLAH" in response to a "was this the fastest KO you've ever had?" question.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
Roid Rage can also be a misconception towards how someone just truly is. Did Mark Mcguire ever act like a raving lunatic? He seemed to be one of the most level guys in the world but he was juicing. Sometimes people that use roids aren't so aggressive in front of the camera, moreso it happens at home.
Not saying he is, but just saying just because when he was in front of the camera he was always smiling doesn't mean he would be that way in private. Even crocodiles grin at people.
My point is that you don't have to act like a raving lunatic while being on steroids :)Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepBaseball doesn't get the blood flowing anything close to boxing, I mean in boxing you are tapping into primal aggression, baseball...........well you are just sitting around until it's your turn to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Roid Rage can also be a misconception towards how someone just truly is. Did Mark Mcguire ever act like a raving lunatic? He seemed to be one of the most level guys in the world but he was juicing. Sometimes people that use roids aren't so aggressive in front of the camera, moreso it happens at home.
Not saying he is, but just saying just because when he was in front of the camera he was always smiling doesn't mean he would be that way in private. Even crocodiles grin at people.
Yeah, roid rage is actually not a good measure. My cousin has been on steroids for many of years and I have yet to see this guy raise his voice. He just looks like a killer and benches almost 500 pounds. And look at Mosley, one of the calmest guys in the business. Proven steroid user.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyMy point is that you don't have to act like a raving lunatic while being on steroids :)Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepBaseball doesn't get the blood flowing anything close to boxing, I mean in boxing you are tapping into primal aggression, baseball...........well you are just sitting around until it's your turn to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty