So the fight is off but how the hell is it Mayweathers fault???

Ive just read 2 statements about the fight being off on The Ring magazine site and i have to laugh at Bob Arum and co basically trying to blame Mayweather for the fight not happening. Now stop me if im wrong but this is how i see it they worked all the differences out the fight could go a head but Mayweather still wanted the random blood testing and why wouldn't he so if the fight is off for this reason surely its Pacquiao who doesn't want the fight. Also no matter how many times he says he hasn't used steroids or any other PED's and no matter who he sues for tarnishing his reputation he has basically tarnished it all himself by refusing these random blood tests so on a whole Mayweather didn't scrap the fight Pacquiao and the random blood tests did.

They are just trying to spin it so that their fighter doesn't look bad.

The facts speak for themselves. Manny has turned down a mega fight because he refuses to subscribe to random blood testing.

Spin it how you like, but that is why we have no fight.

Nice one, Manny! :mad:

Im gutted this fight isn't happening as i expect every boxing fan in the world is can't believe Pacquaio wouldn't do the random blood tests he has just thrown $40m away

Both fighters are being pathetic, but all Manny needed to do was submit to random blood testing. Hardly enough to make the sky fall down and it would have ensured that boxing at the highest level is clean. Is that really too much to ask?

Why has Mayweather requested the drug test in the first place when Manny has never been questioned in the past. Dont get me wrong im as gutted as the next man this fight is off, if thats the case :confused:

bye bye $40M or whatever amount floydie & MP stands to earn.

i hope the irs, creditors, mafia etc run after floydjr

as for mannyP, he's filthy rich now here in the philippines...and in the USofA

bye lo$er$ ;D;D;D

oh btw, NIKE's still with manny pacquiao...

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bye bye $40M or whatever amount floydie & MP stands to earn.

i hope the irs, creditors, mafia etc run after floydjr

as for mannyP, he's filthy rich now here in the philippines...and in the USofA

bye lo$er$ ;D;D;D

oh btw, NIKE's still with manny pacquiao...

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Yes, I am also glad about that. It makes all the difference, doesn't it? :vd:

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bye bye $40M or whatever amount floydie & MP stands to earn.

i hope the irs, creditors, mafia etc run after floydjr

as for mannyP, he's filthy rich now here in the philippines...and in the USofA

bye lo$er$ ;D;D;D

oh btw, NIKE's still with manny pacquiao...

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Yes, I am also glad about that. It makes all the difference, doesn't it? :vd:

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bye bye $40M or whatever amount floydie & MP stands to earn.

i hope the irs, creditors, mafia etc run after floydjr

as for mannyP, he's filthy rich now here in the philippines...and in the USofA

bye lo$er$ ;D;D;D

oh btw, NIKE's still with manny pacquiao...

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Oh so it's a money contest? I thought you wanted to see the fight.
I really don't care about the money they have/potentially have, I'm a boxing fan I want to see the fight.

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bye bye $40M or whatever amount floydie & MP stands to earn.

i hope the irs, creditors, mafia etc run after floydjr

as for mannyP, he's filthy rich now here in the philippines...and in the USofA

bye lo$er$ ;D;D;D

oh btw, NIKE's still with manny pacquiao...

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Good to know that Manny Pacquiao is still considered an honest, trustworthy character by a company that has violated minimum wage & child labour laws throughout many of the poorest countries in the world.

:-X

First off I thought you were gone till this fight was confirmed??

Secondly I am on Pac's side after what he brought to the table in this latest attmept to get this fight on imo Floyd never wanted this fight, Pac brought Scientists to the table and agreed to the following which is not in the rules of usual Nevada fights so he has agreed to some of Floyds demands:

1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)

how could any sane boxer cheat with this?


Floyd turned this offer down flat, so how the fuck is Manny to blame for this fight being off??

Floyd wouldnt budge Manny would and these tests he said he would take are fine with me and would be with any other person expect little Floyd.

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First off I thought you were gone till this fight was confirmed??

Secondly I am on Pac's side after what he brought to the table in this latest attmept to get this fight on imo Floyd never wanted this fight, Pac brought Scientists to the table and agreed to the following which is not in the rules of usual Nevada fights so he has agreed to some of Floyds demands:

1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)

how could any sane boxer cheat with this?


Floyd turned this offer down flat, so how the fuck is Manny to blame for this fight being off??

Floyd wouldnt budge Manny would and these tests he said he would take are fine with me and would be with any other person expect little Floyd.

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Nope what you take doesn't disappear out of your system 15 minutes after the fight but it can be unable to be traced 24 days before a fight.

The thing Mayweather mainly wanted was random drug tests. As in Pacquiao having no knowledge when he is gonna get his blood drawn. If you know when you're gonna get your blood drawn it doesnt stop you from doing anything afterwards. If I know im gonna get drug tested right after the press conference and then 24 days before the fight I can do whatever I want in between and pretty much predict when it will be out of my system. Urine tests can be beaten, its been shown before and it will be shown again.

Again, I do not understand why Pacquiao doesn't want to have random drug tests. Bolt got multiple MULTIPLE drug tests and still set records during the Olympics. So I don't see why Pacquiao can't.

The big question mark I see is Pacquiao wanting to dictate when his blood is drawn, that to me is shady. Obviously we know Urine tests can be beaten, and thats the only one he's willing to take randomly, but he doesn't share that confidence in bood tests. Which means if he IS on something, then its something untraceable in urine but traceable in blood.

Just my two cents, but Pacquiao's reluctance to random blood testing but openness to urine ones really has me wondering. Fact of the matter is, this fight will not happen because Pacquiao wants to dictate when his blood is drawn. Now using an example if someone is accused of stealing and the police come to his house and ask if they can enter to check around. Now if the guy stole something and he asks the cops to come back two days later and they agree to what do you think he is gonna do? He is going to hide whatever it is they are looking for or he is gonna make sure it is out of his house by the time they get there, so when they check its nothing but when they leave he takes it out again.


Same is said here, if Pacquiao's blood, key word BLOOD tests aren't random, he can pretty much dictate when he knows it will probably be in his system and when it won't be. As in nothing stops him from doing it right after cause he basically knows after the press conference he doesn't have to blood test again till 24 days before the fight. Thats a whole 2 or 3 months.

Get what Im saying? If the blood tests are RANDOM there is no way to dictate that so his safest bet would be to not use them at all or he'd be caught. And in my opinion thats the best way.

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First off I thought you were gone till this fight was confirmed??

Secondly I am on Pac's side after what he brought to the table in this latest attmept to get this fight on imo Floyd never wanted this fight, Pac brought Scientists to the table and agreed to the following which is not in the rules of usual Nevada fights so he has agreed to some of Floyds demands:

1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)

how could any sane boxer cheat with this?


Floyd turned this offer down flat, so how the fuck is Manny to blame for this fight being off??

Floyd wouldnt budge Manny would and these tests he said he would take are fine with me and would be with any other person expect little Floyd.

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Nope what you take doesn't disappear out of your system 15 minutes after the fight but it can be unable to be traced 24 days before a fight.

The thing Mayweather mainly wanted was random drug tests. As in Pacquiao having no knowledge when he is gonna get his blood drawn. If you know when you're gonna get your blood drawn it doesnt stop you from doing anything afterwards. If I know im gonna get drug tested right after the press conference and then 24 days before the fight I can do whatever I want in between and pretty much predict when it will be out of my system. Urine tests can be beaten, its been shown before and it will be shown again.

Again, I do not understand why Pacquiao doesn't want to have random drug tests. Bolt got multiple MULTIPLE drug tests and still set records during the Olympics. So I don't see why Pacquiao can't.

The big question mark I see is Pacquiao wanting to dictate when his blood is drawn, that to me is shady. Obviously we know Urine tests can be beaten, and thats the only one he's willing to take randomly, but he doesn't share that confidence in bood tests. Which means if he IS on something, then its something untraceable in urine but traceable in blood.

Just my two cents, but Pacquiao's reluctance to random blood testing but openness to urine ones really has me wondering. Fact of the matter is, this fight will not happen because Pacquiao wants to dictate when his blood is drawn. Now using an example if someone is accused of stealing and the police come to his house and ask if they can enter to check around. Now if the guy stole something and he asks the cops to come back two days later and they agree to what do you think he is gonna do? He is going to hide whatever it is they are looking for or he is gonna make sure it is out of his house by the time they get there, so when they check its nothing but when they leave he takes it out again.


Same is said here, if Pacquiao's blood, key word BLOOD tests aren't random, he can pretty much dictate when he knows it will probably be in his system and when it won't be. As in nothing stops him from doing it right after cause he basically knows after the press conference he doesn't have to blood test again till 24 days before the fight. Thats a whole 2 or 3 months.

Get what Im saying? If the blood tests are RANDOM there is no way to dictate that so his safest bet would be to not use them at all or he'd be caught. And in my opinion thats the best way.

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Wow Majesty got his dick stuck up Mayweather's arse would never have guessed that :rolleyes:.

Go do a little reserch on the urine side of things ;).

Maybe Floyd wanted a blood test after every round?? Do you reckon that would of been sufficent?

Basically Al Haymon and GBP are OK but Floyd simply dumps the offer.
AL Haymon and GBP believes in Floyd Jr. but Floyd I think he's not ready to fight.

Wow comparing an olympian Bolt to a fighter? who has more brutal sport of the two?
Can we name in U.S and England boxers currently using this DAYS style of blood screening?

Can we determine the difference the 24days before and after the fight blood testing? If Pac found guilty after the fight it will tarnished he's legacy as simple as that.

Well Pacquiao doesnt need $40M I guess $10-12M dollars is very huge in his country.

Maybe Floyd needs it....we know..thats why he's back... but his ego to much seems to laugh by making his own commission on boxing,

Now he's goin for M.Hatton and Malignaggi??? this is a joke for boxing really. He's been around five years in WELTERS. Thats why he accused of ducking

Floyd vs. Mosley is good better than Pac-Foreman. Pac could really lose to bigger undefeated champion foreman.

but FloydJr. vs. M.Hatton/Malignaggi - complete joke!


What tryin to say here I would believe that Floyd Jr. can WIN EASILY with Pacquiao no doubt about that, physically reach advantage even speed and experience as welters.

Both found clean by NSCA. GBP and AL Haymon wants it because they believe of FLoyd, and why FLoyd doesnt want it?

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First off I thought you were gone till this fight was confirmed??

Secondly I am on Pac's side after what he brought to the table in this latest attmept to get this fight on imo Floyd never wanted this fight, Pac brought Scientists to the table and agreed to the following which is not in the rules of usual Nevada fights so he has agreed to some of Floyds demands:

1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)

how could any sane boxer cheat with this?


Floyd turned this offer down flat, so how the fuck is Manny to blame for this fight being off??

Floyd wouldnt budge Manny would and these tests he said he would take are fine with me and would be with any other person expect little Floyd.

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Nope what you take doesn't disappear out of your system 15 minutes after the fight but it can be unable to be traced 24 days before a fight.

The thing Mayweather mainly wanted was random drug tests. As in Pacquiao having no knowledge when he is gonna get his blood drawn. If you know when you're gonna get your blood drawn it doesnt stop you from doing anything afterwards. If I know im gonna get drug tested right after the press conference and then 24 days before the fight I can do whatever I want in between and pretty much predict when it will be out of my system. Urine tests can be beaten, its been shown before and it will be shown again.

Again, I do not understand why Pacquiao doesn't want to have random drug tests. Bolt got multiple MULTIPLE drug tests and still set records during the Olympics. So I don't see why Pacquiao can't.

The big question mark I see is Pacquiao wanting to dictate when his blood is drawn, that to me is shady. Obviously we know Urine tests can be beaten, and thats the only one he's willing to take randomly, but he doesn't share that confidence in bood tests. Which means if he IS on something, then its something untraceable in urine but traceable in blood.

Just my two cents, but Pacquiao's reluctance to random blood testing but openness to urine ones really has me wondering. Fact of the matter is, this fight will not happen because Pacquiao wants to dictate when his blood is drawn. Now using an example if someone is accused of stealing and the police come to his house and ask if they can enter to check around. Now if the guy stole something and he asks the cops to come back two days later and they agree to what do you think he is gonna do? He is going to hide whatever it is they are looking for or he is gonna make sure it is out of his house by the time they get there, so when they check its nothing but when they leave he takes it out again.


Same is said here, if Pacquiao's blood, key word BLOOD tests aren't random, he can pretty much dictate when he knows it will probably be in his system and when it won't be. As in nothing stops him from doing it right after cause he basically knows after the press conference he doesn't have to blood test again till 24 days before the fight. Thats a whole 2 or 3 months.

Get what Im saying? If the blood tests are RANDOM there is no way to dictate that so his safest bet would be to not use them at all or he'd be caught. And in my opinion thats the best way.

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Wow Majesty got his dick stuck up Mayweather's arse would never have guessed that :rolleyes:.

Go do a little reserch on the urine side of things ;).

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Maybe you should have. From a drug doctor's point of view

Ask the Doc: With steroid and HGH testing, is blood or urine best? | MMAjunkie.com

Here's a quote about which is better

Anyway, urine testing is cheaper, less invasive (no needle stick required) and has fewer potential complications (not unless peeing on your hand is considered a complication) than blood testing.

Blood screening is more sensitive (more likely to detect a banned substance), detects more banned substances, and is more difficult to beat through "masking" methods. Blood screening is the current standard for detecting abnormally elevated levels of synthetic human growth hormone (HGH).

Feel free to read all of that. Urine testing is easier to mask then blood testing, as has been proven before and will be again.

And here's another quote from another article


Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”



Maybe you're the one that should have done research on Urine and Blood.

This is basically how i feel about it Boxing News

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First off I thought you were gone till this fight was confirmed??

Secondly I am on Pac's side after what he brought to the table in this latest attmept to get this fight on imo Floyd never wanted this fight, Pac brought Scientists to the table and agreed to the following which is not in the rules of usual Nevada fights so he has agreed to some of Floyds demands:

1. blood test before the Press Conference
2. blood test 24 days before the fight
3. blood test at the dressing room right after the fight (if anyone took any substance as aid for the fight, it wouldn't magically disappear fifteen minutes after right?)
4. unlimited urine testing during the whole training period (urine testing is the prescribed method by WADA to detect EPO and is now developed by USADA to detect HGH)

how could any sane boxer cheat with this?


Floyd turned this offer down flat, so how the fuck is Manny to blame for this fight being off??

Floyd wouldnt budge Manny would and these tests he said he would take are fine with me and would be with any other person expect little Floyd.

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yeah, and what i don't get is why isn't there any counter-proposal from floyd? he wanted olympic style testing and teampac countered with the 30 day window. now in the mediation pac compromised to 24 day testing, so where is mayweather's counter-proposal? aren't they interested to have this fight to not come up with something? it is an easy fight after all according to them. why let go of a cool $40M so easily? i just don't blame manny but mayweather as well for this fight not coming off.

It's neither and both of thier faults. Ah well, that's two boxers out of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 out there. Let's just watch some of them. Floyd would have won and the fight would have been boring anyway.

floyd never wanted the fight. i remember when they wanted to negotiate with the owner of the dallas stadium, schafer and co didn't want any part of it. maybe at the back of their minds they were like "i won't waste my time with this, it won't happen anyway"

How the hell can you not find both fighters fault?

They both are to blame 50/50! same as the money split. They can't come to an agreement? You can't fully blame Pacquiao and you can't fully blame Mayweather.

It's as easy to accept a proposal as it is to reject a proposal. It's just as easy not to demand as it is to demand.

If this fight never happens, it will just be another fight that wasn't made. It doesn't mean Floyd is chicken shit and it doesn't mean that Pacquiao is a cheat.

What it really means is that they are BOTH REALLY FUKN STUPID! And Stupid is turning down a $40 Million dollar payday. For what? Not facing a 98 cent needle or demanding proof of innocents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmHu_XHCjfY&feature=fvw

I've been A floyd fan from day one. Pac has grown on me and I liked what he brings to fights too. Trying to look at this objectively, I gotta say this...

I can't really blame floyd for not budging. Its not a matter of whether or not manny's tested positive in the past. The whole 24 day thing is kind of iffy. Ok if manny test positive after the fight, he's already been paid, hes already fought and if floyd somehow loses, it doesnt get overturned to a win. His perfect record is marred by a no contest at best.

Manny's camp has come up with a bunch of reasons to not take the test. I won't comment on the validity of each because we all have our own opinions of them. But consider this... The contention being given here is.. "c'mon how much juicing, if any could really be done 24 days before the fight? Detected or undetected by blood?" Now the question has to be asked if it was only 16% percent of what could have been done in say a 3 month training camp... does that make it anymore of a fair fight to the other fighter if youre not completely roided up and has nothing in his system?

Floyds counter offer would had to be something like.. "ok 24 days, but if you test positive after the fight, I get to keep all the money.. win lose or draw." Think manny's camp would have went for that? There didnt seems to be an issue on the gloves, the ring size or the MONEY... Floyd not haggle over money?!?!!? He'd kill you just to get 6 cents out of a dime you both found together. If the money split was that easy for floyd, manny should bite the bullet on the blood and take the tests no matter what his dislike is. Just my opinion ..

I defer to those who know more about PEDs than I do, but the 24 day window is crap. Manny could load up on HGH and cycle off within 4 days of testing and then cycle back on and then off 4 days before the fight and test clean. Random means random. If you can concede to the test because you are clean, why can't you concede whenever the testers want to come see you?

That's how baseball players weren't caught for the longest time. They always knew when the tests were coming and they could cycle off.

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Nope what you take doesn't disappear out of your system 15 minutes after the fight but it can be unable to be traced 24 days before a fight.

The thing Mayweather mainly wanted was random drug tests. As in Pacquiao having no knowledge when he is gonna get his blood drawn. If you know when you're gonna get your blood drawn it doesnt stop you from doing anything afterwards. If I know im gonna get drug tested right after the press conference and then 24 days before the fight I can do whatever I want in between and pretty much predict when it will be out of my system. Urine tests can be beaten, its been shown before and it will be shown again.

Again, I do not understand why Pacquiao doesn't want to have random drug tests. Bolt got multiple MULTIPLE drug tests and still set records during the Olympics. So I don't see why Pacquiao can't.

The big question mark I see is Pacquiao wanting to dictate when his blood is drawn, that to me is shady. Obviously we know Urine tests can be beaten, and thats the only one he's willing to take randomly, but he doesn't share that confidence in bood tests. Which means if he IS on something, then its something untraceable in urine but traceable in blood.

Just my two cents, but Pacquiao's reluctance to random blood testing but openness to urine ones really has me wondering. Fact of the matter is, this fight will not happen because Pacquiao wants to dictate when his blood is drawn. Now using an example if someone is accused of stealing and the police come to his house and ask if they can enter to check around. Now if the guy stole something and he asks the cops to come back two days later and they agree to what do you think he is gonna do? He is going to hide whatever it is they are looking for or he is gonna make sure it is out of his house by the time they get there, so when they check its nothing but when they leave he takes it out again.


Same is said here, if Pacquiao's blood, key word BLOOD tests aren't random, he can pretty much dictate when he knows it will probably be in his system and when it won't be. As in nothing stops him from doing it right after cause he basically knows after the press conference he doesn't have to blood test again till 24 days before the fight. Thats a whole 2 or 3 months.

Get what Im saying? If the blood tests are RANDOM there is no way to dictate that so his safest bet would be to not use them at all or he'd be caught. And in my opinion thats the best way.

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Wow Majesty got his dick stuck up Mayweather's arse would never have guessed that :rolleyes:.

Go do a little reserch on the urine side of things ;).

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Maybe you should have. From a drug doctor's point of view

Ask the Doc: With steroid and HGH testing, is blood or urine best? | MMAjunkie.com

Here's a quote about which is better

Anyway, urine testing is cheaper, less invasive (no needle stick required) and has fewer potential complications (not unless peeing on your hand is considered a complication) than blood testing.

Blood screening is more sensitive (more likely to detect a banned substance), detects more banned substances, and is more difficult to beat through "masking" methods. Blood screening is the current standard for detecting abnormally elevated levels of synthetic human growth hormone (HGH).

Feel free to read all of that. Urine testing is easier to mask then blood testing, as has been proven before and will be again.

And here's another quote from another article


Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”



Maybe you're the one that should have done research on Urine and Blood.

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Thank god somebody knows what they are talking about.

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Wow Majesty got his dick stuck up Mayweather's arse would never have guessed that :rolleyes:.

Go do a little reserch on the urine side of things ;).

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Maybe you should have. From a drug doctor's point of view

Ask the Doc: With steroid and HGH testing, is blood or urine best? | MMAjunkie.com

Here's a quote about which is better

Anyway, urine testing is cheaper, less invasive (no needle stick required) and has fewer potential complications (not unless peeing on your hand is considered a complication) than blood testing.

Blood screening is more sensitive (more likely to detect a banned substance), detects more banned substances, and is more difficult to beat through "masking" methods. Blood screening is the current standard for detecting abnormally elevated levels of synthetic human growth hormone (HGH).

Feel free to read all of that. Urine testing is easier to mask then blood testing, as has been proven before and will be again.

And here's another quote from another article


Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

Maybe you're the one that should have done research on Urine and Blood.

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Thank god somebody knows what they are talking about.

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I love it! <----- :rolleyes:

Sometimes you can't take articles and blogs as facts. I think that Dr. columnist dude has a hard-on for Mayweather. He seems to want you to beleive he is not bias. Also it's like he's hiding behind the "Dr." in his name as authoritative. If you read some of his shit, He writes in half truths and backs up nothing with facts.

Blood testing cost more that than Urine testing <---> Urine testing cost more than Blood testing. It depends on what kind of test you are doing and what you are testing for.

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

Mayweather blames bout collapse on Pacquiao - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports

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Maybe you should have. From a drug doctor's point of view

Ask the Doc: With steroid and HGH testing, is blood or urine best? | MMAjunkie.com

Here's a quote about which is better

Anyway, urine testing is cheaper, less invasive (no needle stick required) and has fewer potential complications (not unless peeing on your hand is considered a complication) than blood testing.

Blood screening is more sensitive (more likely to detect a banned substance), detects more banned substances, and is more difficult to beat through "masking" methods. Blood screening is the current standard for detecting abnormally elevated levels of synthetic human growth hormone (HGH).

Feel free to read all of that. Urine testing is easier to mask then blood testing, as has been proven before and will be again.

And here's another quote from another article


Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

Maybe you're the one that should have done research on Urine and Blood.

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Thank god somebody knows what they are talking about.

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I love it! <----- :rolleyes:

Sometimes you can't take articles and blogs as facts. I think that Dr. columnist dude has a hard-on for Mayweather. He seems to want you to beleive he is not bias. Also it's like he's hiding behind the "Dr." in his name as authoritative. If you read some of his shit, He writes in half truths and backs up nothing with facts.

Blood testing cost more that than Urine testing <---> Urine testing cost more than Blood testing. It depends on what kind of test you are doing and what you are testing for.

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

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LOL! Indeed he knows what he is talking about:rolleyes:...Backing up with source--a quote from Travis Tygart:rolleyes:

Some people on this board need to get their head out of the sand and do research about PED's and the testing for them. The ONLY, 100% effective test to determine if an athlete is completely clear of all PED's is a MUSCLE BIOPSY. Good luck getting ANY sports body or athlete agreeing to that. At this point...the drugs are WAY ahead of the testing. Many athletes and their "team" (which often consist of doctors on their payroll) know how to cycle off and on drugs and evade getting caught. The fact that Manny refuses even the random blood testing put forth for this fight, makes him look extremely suspicious. Floyd is no angel...and unless this is all some marketing ploy to sell the fight...he has made Pac, his team, and Arum look foolish.

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How the hell can you not find both fighters fault?

They both are to blame 50/50! same as the money split. They can't come to an agreement? You can't fully blame Pacquiao and you can't fully blame Mayweather.

It's as easy to accept a proposal as it is to reject a proposal. It's just as easy not to demand as it is to demand.

If this fight never happens, it will just be another fight that wasn't made. It doesn't mean Floyd is chicken shit and it doesn't mean that Pacquiao is a cheat.

What it really means is that they are BOTH REALLY FUKN STUPID! And Stupid is turning down a $40 Million dollar payday. For what? Not facing a 98 cent needle or demanding proof of innocents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmHu_XHCjfY&feature=fvw

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Sorry, but as Floyd has just come out and said, he's STILL willing to make the fight happen. Manny and his camp have already moved on to another opponent. Pac's entire camp (Arum included), knows he doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Manny is entirely to blame here.

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Some people on this board need to get their head out of the sand and do research about PED's and the testing for them. The ONLY, 100% effective test to determine if an athlete is completely clear of all PED's is a MUSCLE BIOPSY. Good luck getting ANY sports body or athlete agreeing to that. At this point...the drugs are WAY ahead of the testing. Many athletes and their "team" (which often consist of doctors on their payroll) know how to cycle off and on drugs and evade getting caught. The fact that Manny refuses even the random blood testing put forth for this fight, makes him look extremely suspicious. Floyd is no angel...and unless this is all some marketing ploy to sell the fight...he has made Pac, his team, and Arum look foolish.

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THIS

I've been lurking around this forum for awhile and I just had to register after everything that has happened.

I was initially pissed off with Manny to be honest, but then I came across this:

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“I’ve always looked upon these types of negotiations as a kind of ritual of dominance. ‘I can impose my will on you in the negotiations, therefore I can impose my will on you in the fight.’

Merchant: From the beginning, I thought that it was gamesmanship. That Mayweather has been very clever and intuitive about picking out the vulnerabilities -- real or imagined -- of opponents, and using that as psychological warfare to build up the fight.

He's done that in the past, so that's how I initially saw this. There are several reasons for my view on this. No. 1, what if they found something? Does Mayweather really want the fight to be canceled, given the fact that he believes strongly that he's going to win?

Also, given the certainty of making upwards of $30, or, maybe $40 million, does he really want to find something? You can flip that and say, 'If that's what Pacquiao has used to move up the scale, and Mayweather believes that he's going to win any way and is going to make all of that money, then he ought to be thanking the drug-maker.'

If the drug-maker has delivered this kind of package to Mayweather -- a guy he can beat and a guy that he can make all of this money off of -- then why would he want to screw that up?

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Now I really hate that Manny had to satisfy his superstitious belief that he will somehow become weak if blood is drawn from him close to the fight. I think this stemmed from his loss to Erik Morales wherein blood was drawn from Pacquiao 2 days prior to the fight. That is just the most annoying excuse ever, even if it is true. It's either this or he's on roids, but regardless- I am definitely certain that Pacquiao is not afraid to fight Mayweather.

On the other hand, Floyd can probably beat Manny, but with his reputation of avoiding potential opponents that can beat him, it's quite easy to assume he's afraid that Manny might do just that. I honestly believe there is no other reason, and that's coming from a guy who says he can beat Manny Pacquiao regardless if he's roided or not. So he goes on a crusade to nitpick Manny's little quirks (if they indeed are, and not just excuses)- and finds the whole blood testing thing to do his work for him... etc etc.


Ugh. I am thoroughly disgusted by both of them.

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Maybe you should have. From a drug doctor's point of view

Ask the Doc: With steroid and HGH testing, is blood or urine best? | MMAjunkie.com

Here's a quote about which is better

Anyway, urine testing is cheaper, less invasive (no needle stick required) and has fewer potential complications (not unless peeing on your hand is considered a complication) than blood testing.

Blood screening is more sensitive (more likely to detect a banned substance), detects more banned substances, and is more difficult to beat through "masking" methods. Blood screening is the current standard for detecting abnormally elevated levels of synthetic human growth hormone (HGH).

Feel free to read all of that. Urine testing is easier to mask then blood testing, as has been proven before and will be again.

And here's another quote from another article


Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

Maybe you're the one that should have done research on Urine and Blood.

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Thank god somebody knows what they are talking about.

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I love it! <----- :rolleyes:

Sometimes you can't take articles and blogs as facts. I think that Dr. columnist dude has a hard-on for Mayweather. He seems to want you to beleive he is not bias. Also it's like he's hiding behind the "Dr." in his name as authoritative. If you read some of his shit, He writes in half truths and backs up nothing with facts.

Blood testing cost more that than Urine testing <---> Urine testing cost more than Blood testing. It depends on what kind of test you are doing and what you are testing for.

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

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The USADA and the World ADA both say you need blood testing to find HGH and a bunch of other PEDs.

The USADA chief is already linked earlier in the thread. Here's WADA's opinion :

EXCLUSIVE: WADA “HGH ONLY DETECTED IN BLOOD”

These are the world's top drug-testing authorities and they test the world's top athletes. Can you imagine if Michael Phelps announced tomorrow that he wasn't going to do any more random testing, that he's only agree to be tested with scheduled tests and wanted a 30 day cutoff point before the Olympic Games and the World Championships, and that he thought the USADA was a corrupt organisation and he wanted to pick his own testing organisation? He'd be destroyed by the US media in one 24 hour news cycle. If he continued to refuse his career would be over. The same standards should apply to Pacneedle.

Mannys fault. Legacy ruined.

as I wrote somewhere else, Victor Conte from Balco also goes with the random tests otherwise, as he said, it is quite easy to build a cycle in function of not being caught:

Victor Conte weighs in on Pacquiao v Mayweather drug testing saga.

This is all gayweathers fault PERIOD..

GBP,Shaeffer and Haymon agreed to the 24 days window blood test but Mongofloyd just rejected it.They all knew that it's reasonable enough,including floyd to detect PED or HGH but because his scared and does not really want to fight Manny in the first place,fight is off..If NSAC,USADA and WADA blood and urine tests were not reliable,then all the previous fights of boxing who uses these organizations WERE ALL IN QUESTION,including that f**** 40 wins by that "self-proclaimed great" Gayweather Jr.

Who is he to dictate when to do the test?Is this guy knowledgable enough than these drug testing organizations?For all i know,these family were convicted on drug trafficking anD this boxer injected Xylo On his BRITTLED fists before?And study said,those who used steroids more often had their bones gets brittle.SO???

WHO CAN BE TRUSTED MORE WITH THESE TWO BOXERS BY THE WAY..:)

A fighter who only loves to fight and never afraid to lose,OR just a boxer(his not a fighter by the way,he run and run and run...)who's real business is duck and select his opponent,with a rec0rd of using drugs,legal or illegal(still cheating),a coward and obssessed with his useless 0 Loss ??

Your guess is as good as mine..

My first post,so pls be kind with me OK?;D;D;D

Funny thing is when people begin to refer to fighthers as 'Gayweather' or 'Pacroid' its clear that they are biased and their opinion is probably not worth listening to.

floydie should have agreed.

he already has an excuse once his 0 becomes a 1 ;D

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I love it! <----- :rolleyes:

Sometimes you can't take articles and blogs as facts. I think that Dr. columnist dude has a hard-on for Mayweather. He seems to want you to beleive he is not bias. Also it's like he's hiding behind the "Dr." in his name as authoritative. If you read some of his shit, He writes in half truths and backs up nothing with facts.

Blood testing cost more that than Urine testing <---> Urine testing cost more than Blood testing. It depends on what kind of test you are doing and what you are testing for.

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

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The USADA and the World ADA both say you need blood testing to find HGH and a bunch of other PEDs.

The USADA chief is already linked earlier in the thread. Here's WADA's opinion :

EXCLUSIVE: WADA “HGH ONLY DETECTED IN BLOOD”

These are the world's top drug-testing authorities and they test the world's top athletes. Can you imagine if Michael Phelps announced tomorrow that he wasn't going to do any more random testing, that he's only agree to be tested with scheduled tests and wanted a 30 day cutoff point before the Olympic Games and the World Championships, and that he thought the USADA was a corrupt organisation and he wanted to pick his own testing organisation? He'd be destroyed by the US media in one 24 hour news cycle. If he continued to refuse his career would be over. The same standards should apply to Pacneedle.

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Officials Question a Blood Test That Is Never Positive

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/11/sp...1baseball.html

The link to the article basically says the blood test itself was being sold to catch cheaters but doesn't work. The proponents for the blood test argue It hasn't caught anyone because it has to be applied out of competition. If no test comes back positive, then they are confident that hgh is not being used.

Here's the nanotrap test itself. CeresNano
USADA has contributed funding for it's development two years ago. Why would a guy say there is no way to detect hgh in urine when he puts up money to help the development and knows it is available?
USADA will help fund further study of urine test for HGH - USATODAY.com

This not the Olympics where you are testing 100s of Athletes with profiling techniques. Masking techniques work in a production applications because it's purpose is to avoid being red flagged for additional testing. Masking is self incriminating because it wipes out all the substances targeted both natural and synthetic. Not only that the testing will be a gamut for all banned substances on the list. Besides there is plenty of people around that would pull on Pacquiao's and Mayweather's dicks to make sure the piss is real.

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I love it! <----- :rolleyes:

Sometimes you can't take articles and blogs as facts. I think that Dr. columnist dude has a hard-on for Mayweather. He seems to want you to beleive he is not bias. Also it's like he's hiding behind the "Dr." in his name as authoritative. If you read some of his shit, He writes in half truths and backs up nothing with facts.

Blood testing cost more that than Urine testing <---> Urine testing cost more than Blood testing. It depends on what kind of test you are doing and what you are testing for.

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

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The USADA and the World ADA both say you need blood testing to find HGH and a bunch of other PEDs.

The USADA chief is already linked earlier in the thread. Here's WADA's opinion :

EXCLUSIVE: WADA “HGH ONLY DETECTED IN BLOOD”

These are the world's top drug-testing authorities and they test the world's top athletes. Can you imagine if Michael Phelps announced tomorrow that he wasn't going to do any more random testing, that he's only agree to be tested with scheduled tests and wanted a 30 day cutoff point before the Olympic Games and the World Championships, and that he thought the USADA was a corrupt organisation and he wanted to pick his own testing organisation? He'd be destroyed by the US media in one 24 hour news cycle. If he continued to refuse his career would be over. The same standards should apply to Pacneedle.

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Officials Question a Blood Test That Is Never Positive

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/11/sp...1baseball.html

The link to the article basically says the blood test itself was being sold to catch cheaters but doesn't work. The proponents for the blood test argue It hasn't caught anyone because it has to be applied out of competition. If no test comes back positive, then they are confident that hgh is not being used.

Here's the nanotrap test itself. CeresNano
USADA has contributed funding for it's development two years ago. Why would a guy say there is no way to detect hgh in urine when he puts up money to help the development and knows it is available?
USADA will help fund further study of urine test for HGH - USATODAY.com

This not the Olympics where you are testing 100s of Athletes with profiling techniques. Masking techniques work in a production applications because it's purpose is to avoid being red flagged for additional testing. Masking is self incriminating because it wipes out all the substances targeted both natural and synthetic. Not only that the testing will be a gamut for all banned substances on the list. Besides there is plenty of people around that would pull on Pacquiao's and Mayweather's dicks to make sure the piss is real.

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The article doesn't say that the blood test doesn't work.

The new urine test USADA are funding is still in development, doesn't exist yet.

As far as the heads of the testing organisations are concerned -- crucially, people who know what they're talking about -- random blood testing is the most effective testing mehod currently available.

Here's something anybody wanting to know about drug testing should read :

USADA's Travis Tygart on Blood-Testing, Steroids, Boxing -- Boxing FanHouse