Boxing insiders say 'no' to Margarito licensing - ESPN
Quite frankly, I agree with everything Rafael says here. I can't believe that Arum would stick by Margarito like this. That guy should be out of boxing forever.
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Boxing insiders say 'no' to Margarito licensing - ESPN
Quite frankly, I agree with everything Rafael says here. I can't believe that Arum would stick by Margarito like this. That guy should be out of boxing forever.
They gave him a punishment. And he abide it by it. Let him fight
Well you all know that I agree. He deserves to be banned for life.
His action that night, could have caused a lifetime of brain damage, or even death. Therefore his sentence should be a lifetime ban.
He disrespected life, and this sport, to it's highest level, and he doesn't deserve the right to earn another cent off of it.
Yeah, Margarito is a disgusting fighter to me. I can not stand him and I will never watch him fight again. I will give him zero support and I hope everybody boycotts him. That was a despicable act and should come with a lifetime ban.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
:rolleyes:
Let's say he injured Cotto so bad he never fought again? Or killed him? Boxing is a life and death game.
That kind of thing is permanent.
This prick's ban should be too. He should think himself lucky to be given a cab drivers license.
I agree. He did his little punishment time. Time to move on. Mosley was on PEDs and all that crap. And he's still fighting. Hell using PEDs to be faster and stronger in a sport where inflicting physical punishment on another guy is pretty bad too. I don't see anyone here having any outrage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
So, you guys were in favour of a one year ban for Luis Resto??
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Let's say he injured Cotto so bad he never fought again? Or killed him? Boxing is a life and death game.
That kind of thing is permanent.
This prick's ban should be too. He should think himself lucky to be given a cab drivers license.
What the fukk are you talking about? He was punished (and rightly so) for his attempt prior to the Mosley fight. And he served his punishment. Why should he be punished for beating Cotto's ass? There was no cheating involved. Nevada does a better job in monitoring fighters than California. He was also cleared of any wrong doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greig
Antonio Margarito cleared of wrongdoing in Miguel Cotto fight - SI.com - Boxing
I respect your opinion if you think he served his punishment. But that SI article clear Margarito of anything. All Kizer said was that you can't prove a negative and he is as certain as he can be Margarito didn't do anything wrong in the Cotto fight. Remember Mosley passed all steroid tests in his fights so is he cleared too? But just being honest. Even if you can get past the fact that he did such a disgusting act. Do you really think Margarito should be given a license to fight even though he still says he did nothing wrong? After doing such a thing doesn't that bother you?Quote:
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Originally Posted by GreigQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
:rolleyes:
Let's say he injured Cotto so bad he never fought again? Or killed him? Boxing is a life and death game.
That kind of thing is permanent.
This prick's ban should be too. He should think himself lucky to be given a cab drivers license.
What the fukk are you talking about? He was punished (and rightly so) for his attempt prior to the Mosley fight. And he served his punishment. Why should he be punished for beating Cotto's ass? There was no cheating involved. Nevada does a better job in monitoring fighters than California. He was also cleared of any wrong doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greig
Antonio Margarito cleared of wrongdoing in Miguel Cotto fight - SI.com - Boxing
Does that not go both ways? I mean i have yet to see any proof that he cheated against Cotto. I know Cotto was the favorite going in. And he has his loyal fan base. So it's easy for them to blame it on cheating. But lets be realistic. Cotto took 237 power punches in that fight. From a naturally bigger man. Can that not be the reason he lost? Everything else has been speculation and accusations. Yeah I'm sure what Kizer is really doing is covering his own ass. But it don't change the fact that Nevada crushes California in fights held. So it's easy to see how they would do a better job at monitoring hand wraps than California.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitI respect your opinion if you think he served his punishment. But that SI article clear Margarito of anything. All Kizer said was that you can't prove a negative and he is as certain as he can be Margarito didn't do anything wrong in the Cotto fight. Remember Mosley passed all steroid tests in his fights so is he cleared too? But just being honest. Even if you can get past the fact that he did such a disgusting act. Do you really think Margarito should be given a license to fight even though he still says he did nothing wrong? After doing such a thing doesn't that bother you?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Greig
What the fukk are you talking about? He was punished (and rightly so) for his attempt prior to the Mosley fight. And he served his punishment. Why should he be punished for beating Cotto's ass? There was no cheating involved. Nevada does a better job in monitoring fighters than California. He was also cleared of any wrong doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greig
Antonio Margarito cleared of wrongdoing in Miguel Cotto fight - SI.com - Boxing
LEwis and Resto banned for life. MArgarito only a year? Why? Because he didn't have time to legally bring his illegal weapons to the ring before he get caught? Nonsense. He's as guilty as Resto and Lewis and only one year sentence is a piece of candy for what he committed.
Also, there is a difference between steroids and brass knuckle, steroids (*aims Moseley*) should definitely be punished too but to a lesser degree: Being hit with brass knuckles or with a guy faster and stronger than ordinary? I chose without hesitation the later.
I will never pay anymore for a card with Hands of plaster on it by conviction, no matter if Willie Pep or any other of my favorite would fight as main event.
Ban4lyfe.
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Hey, only MargaCHEATO and his slimey trainers know if he cheated against Cotto or not. But as fans, and as cognitive beings, we can make up out own minds. And I believe the average, intelligent fan realizes that a guy wouldn't bust his ass for 15 years fighting on smaller cards for "decent" pay days, finally establish his name so that he was a marquee fighter capable of making big money, THEN suddenly start cheating. That makes no sense.
Why would Margacheato and his camp risk his career at this point by cheating in such a HUGE marquee fight? The answer is simple: Because they thought they could get away with it. Why would they think they could get away with it? The same reason why these guys who get busted for performance enhancing drugs think they can get away with it: because they've gotten away with it in the past.
You show me someone who truely believes Margacheato has never cheated before the Mosley fight, and I'll show you a numbskull.
So pretty much what your saying is the 237 power punches Cotto took from Margarito had nothing to do with him losing, right? It was all the wraps. If the wraps weren't loaded Cotto would of shrug them 267 total punches like nothing, right?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hey, only MargaCHEATO and his slimey trainers know if he cheated against Cotto or not. But as fans, and as cognitive beings, we can make up out own minds. And I believe the average, intelligent fan realizes that a guy wouldn't bust his ass for 15 years fighting on smaller cards for "decent" pay days, finally establish his name so that he was a marquee fighter capable of making big money, THEN suddenly start cheating. That makes no sense.
Why would Margacheato and his camp risk his career at this point by cheating in such a HUGE marquee fight? The answer is simple: Because they thought they could get away with it. Why would they think they could get away with it? The same reason why these guys who get busted for performance enhancing drugs think they can get away with it: because they've gotten away with it in the past.
You show me someone who truely believes Margacheato has never cheated before the Mosley fight, and I'll show you a numbskull.
That is such a silly way to spin the arguement. CLEARLY if Margarito had loaded gloves, every punch he landed early in the fight would have taken more out of Cotto, breaking him down and making it much easier to land more power shots as the fight wore on, and accumulating MUCH greater damage to Miguel. Perhaps Cotto wouldn't have been broken down so badly by the mid rounds if Margarito wasn't hitting him with bricks? I mean Cotto has tired in the championship rounds before obviously, but he was clearly schooling Margarito for the first 5 and a half rounds, there's nothing to say he wouldn't have continued to do so over the course of the fight if Margarito wasn't in fact cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo pretty much what your saying is the 237 power punches Cotto took from Margarito had nothing to do with him losing, right? It was all the wraps. If the wraps weren't loaded Cotto would of shrug them 267 total punches like nothing, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hey, only MargaCHEATO and his slimey trainers know if he cheated against Cotto or not. But as fans, and as cognitive beings, we can make up out own minds. And I believe the average, intelligent fan realizes that a guy wouldn't bust his ass for 15 years fighting on smaller cards for "decent" pay days, finally establish his name so that he was a marquee fighter capable of making big money, THEN suddenly start cheating. That makes no sense.
Why would Margacheato and his camp risk his career at this point by cheating in such a HUGE marquee fight? The answer is simple: Because they thought they could get away with it. Why would they think they could get away with it? The same reason why these guys who get busted for performance enhancing drugs think they can get away with it: because they've gotten away with it in the past.
You show me someone who truely believes Margacheato has never cheated before the Mosley fight, and I'll show you a numbskull.
No matter, cheat against Cotto or not, he used plaster brass knuckle, which are potentially deadly weapons. Ask Billy Collin SR, ask Luis Resto. This is not forgivable just because he didn't have time to use them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo pretty much what your saying is the 237 power punches Cotto took from Margarito had nothing to do with him losing, right? It was all the wraps. If the wraps weren't loaded Cotto would of shrug them 267 total punches like nothing, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hey, only MargaCHEATO and his slimey trainers know if he cheated against Cotto or not. But as fans, and as cognitive beings, we can make up out own minds. And I believe the average, intelligent fan realizes that a guy wouldn't bust his ass for 15 years fighting on smaller cards for "decent" pay days, finally establish his name so that he was a marquee fighter capable of making big money, THEN suddenly start cheating. That makes no sense.
Why would Margacheato and his camp risk his career at this point by cheating in such a HUGE marquee fight? The answer is simple: Because they thought they could get away with it. Why would they think they could get away with it? The same reason why these guys who get busted for performance enhancing drugs think they can get away with it: because they've gotten away with it in the past.
You show me someone who truely believes Margacheato has never cheated before the Mosley fight, and I'll show you a numbskull.
I think he should be banned from boxing, to give a clear message to those who would entertain the same thoughts, but what do I know?
Hell...... me, I'll just watch reruns of the Margarito-Mosley fight whenever I need something to cheer me up.
;D :cool:
I'm starting to wonder if you actually saw the fight. Or if you have seen them fight previously. Margarito broke Cotto's nose in the 2nd round. That and the constant pressure Margarito applied are what led to Cotto being broken down. Why is that so hard to accept? Yes Cotto was taking Margarito to school in the first half. But Margarito has always been a slow starter. It was only a matter of time before he got started.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingThat is such a silly way to spin the arguement. CLEARLY if Margarito had loaded gloves, every punch he landed early in the fight would have taken more out of Cotto, breaking him down and making it much easier to land more power shots as the fight wore on, and accumulating MUCH greater damage to Miguel. Perhaps Cotto wouldn't have been broken down so badly by the mid rounds if Margarito wasn't hitting him with bricks? I mean Cotto has tired in the championship rounds before obviously, but he was clearly schooling Margarito for the first 5 and a half rounds, there's nothing to say he wouldn't have continued to do so over the course of the fight if Margarito wasn't in fact cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo pretty much what your saying is the 237 power punches Cotto took from Margarito had nothing to do with him losing, right? It was all the wraps. If the wraps weren't loaded Cotto would of shrug them 267 total punches like nothing, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
There is no proof Margarito cheated in the Cotto fight. It's stupidity to even bring it up. I mean come on. When does common sense kick in? If Margarito indeed had loaded gloves do you seriously think Cotto would be able to take 267 punches? Hell no! 267 punches is a lot of punches without loaded gloves. With loaded gloves it's insane. There is no way possible he takes even 150 from the naturally bigger man if the gloves were loaded
That makes no muthafukkin sense. Rather he used them or not he still used them? What the fukk?Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessNo matter, cheat against Cotto or not, he used plaster brass knuckle, which are potentially deadly weapons. Ask Billy Collin SR, ask Luis Resto. This is not forgivable just because he didn't have time to use them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo pretty much what your saying is the 237 power punches Cotto took from Margarito had nothing to do with him losing, right? It was all the wraps. If the wraps weren't loaded Cotto would of shrug them 267 total punches like nothing, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Yes it makes sense: We are not 100% sure he had it against Cotto though the doubts are legitimates. However, he had the intention to use it against Mosley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI'm starting to wonder if you actually saw the fight. Or if you have seen them fight previously. Margarito broke Cotto's nose in the 2nd round. That and the constant pressure Margarito applied are what led to Cotto being broken down. Why is that so hard to accept? Yes Cotto was taking Margarito to school in the first half. But Margarito has always been a slow starter. It was only a matter of time before he got started.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingThat is such a silly way to spin the arguement. CLEARLY if Margarito had loaded gloves, every punch he landed early in the fight would have taken more out of Cotto, breaking him down and making it much easier to land more power shots as the fight wore on, and accumulating MUCH greater damage to Miguel. Perhaps Cotto wouldn't have been broken down so badly by the mid rounds if Margarito wasn't hitting him with bricks? I mean Cotto has tired in the championship rounds before obviously, but he was clearly schooling Margarito for the first 5 and a half rounds, there's nothing to say he wouldn't have continued to do so over the course of the fight if Margarito wasn't in fact cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
There is no proof Margarito cheated in the Cotto fight. It's stupidity to even bring it up. I mean come on. When does common sense kick in? If Margarito indeed had loaded gloves do you seriously think Cotto would be able to take 267 punches? Hell no! 267 punches is a lot of punches without loaded gloves. With loaded gloves it's insane. There is no way possible he takes even 150 from the naturally bigger man if the gloves were loaded
That makes no muthafukkin sense. Rather he used them or not he still used them? What the fukk?Quote:
Originally Posted by NamelessNo matter, cheat against Cotto or not, he used plaster brass knuckle, which are potentially deadly weapons. Ask Billy Collin SR, ask Luis Resto. This is not forgivable just because he didn't have time to use them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Work on your reading comprehension dude. I never said he won because he cheated, all I said was that there is no doubt in my mind that he did indeed cheat.
Loaded gloves or not, Margacheato is going to give Cotto problems any day of the week.
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo pretty much what your saying is the 237 power punches Cotto took from Margarito had nothing to do with him losing, right? It was all the wraps. If the wraps weren't loaded Cotto would of shrug them 267 total punches like nothing, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hey, only MargaCHEATO and his slimey trainers know if he cheated against Cotto or not. But as fans, and as cognitive beings, we can make up out own minds. And I believe the average, intelligent fan realizes that a guy wouldn't bust his ass for 15 years fighting on smaller cards for "decent" pay days, finally establish his name so that he was a marquee fighter capable of making big money, THEN suddenly start cheating. That makes no sense.
Why would Margacheato and his camp risk his career at this point by cheating in such a HUGE marquee fight? The answer is simple: Because they thought they could get away with it. Why would they think they could get away with it? The same reason why these guys who get busted for performance enhancing drugs think they can get away with it: because they've gotten away with it in the past.
You show me someone who truely believes Margacheato has never cheated before the Mosley fight, and I'll show you a numbskull.
"cognitive beings" Did some one call me a cognitive being? :o :confused: :o
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Once again man, work on your reading comprehension.
And the way in which Margacheato beat Cotto would greatly benefit from loaded gloves. Like you say, Cotto was doing good but wilted under the punishment Margarito dished out on him. So there is a HUGE questionmark there as to whether or not Cotto would have been able to withstand Margacheato's blows had he not loaded them. Margacheato landed a ton of powershots, but most were after Cotto was wore down. So whether you like it or not, that fight is always going to have a huge question mark by it. And I think most people know the truth about it.
Perception is everything, he is going into a fight with Mosley with loaded gloves who in the past was beaten by Cotto, the same Cotto that he just knocked out so why was his gloves loaded against Mosley. It is a fact they were loaded for the Mosley fight so it's easy to ASSUME they were when he fought Cotto.
I don't think he should be licensed, he was caught cheating red handed in a combat sport which could be deadly without the cheating. He could become a Spanish speaking announcer in Mexico but in the U.S. they shouldn't let him or his trainer have anything to do in boxing.
I wasn't aware you were present during the wrapping of hands. You should of notified some one about the loaded wraps. Seriously saying Margarito cheated cuz he beat a fighter he wasn't suppose to beat is pretty moronic. You have no facts to back up your opinion.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Work on your reading comprehension dude. I never said he won because he cheated, all I said was that there is no doubt in my mind that he did indeed cheat.
Loaded gloves or not, Margacheato is going to give Cotto problems any day of the week.
237 "concrete" loaded power punches. WHo knows what would have happened had Margarito not cheated(an unless you are completely nieve, he did cheat) I am sure getting slugged with plaster hands had some effect on Cotto's strategy and ability to absorb his punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Margarito committed an unforgivable sin. Look what he did to both Cintron and Cotto's careers prior to him finally getting caught.
This kind of cheating is dangerous and deserves a life time ban.
Now I understand why everyone picked on Xadu... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI wasn't aware you were present during the wrapping of hands. You should of notified some one about the loaded wraps. Seriously saying Margarito cheated cuz he beat a fighter he wasn't suppose to beat is pretty moronic. You have no facts to back up your opinion.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Work on your reading comprehension dude. I never said he won because he cheated, all I said was that there is no doubt in my mind that he did indeed cheat.
Loaded gloves or not, Margacheato is going to give Cotto problems any day of the week.
Oscar has put his two cents in as well.
Oscar De La Hoya is Disgusted With Margarito's Comeback - Boxing News
If the gloves were indeed loaded there is no way possible Cotto would of been capable of taking even "100 concrete" punches. No way. Anybody who's ever boxed before would tell you that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut237 "concrete" loaded power punches. WHo knows what would have happened had Margarito not cheated(an unless you are completely nieve, he did cheat) I am sure getting slugged with plaster hands had some effect on Cotto's strategy and ability to absorb his punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Margarito committed an unforgivable sin. Look what he did to both Cintron and Cotto's careers prior to him finally getting caught.
This kind of cheating is dangerous and deserves a life time ban.
It all depends to what extent plaster was being used in his wraps though. I don't think anyone is suggesting it's on par with the Luis Resto fight as far loaded gloves go, that was just grotesque... But take a look at Margarito's punching form, I think anyone who's ever boxed could also tell you that's he's technically quite poor, he is basically an arm puncher with very little natural athletecism. Obviously that's not to say the guy has no power, he's KO'ed decent fighters way back, you have to give him some benefit of the doubt.. But Shane Mosley never actually hurt Cotto, and he landed plenty of power shots on him when they fought. Miguel actually has/had a pretty good chin once he moved up to 147, and massive heart. To say he couldn't have possibly taken that many punches from loaded gloves is kind of a stretch. It's just as easy to argue that Margarito was only able to land so many punches, and hurt Miguel with the type of punches he was landing, because he had highly illegal wraps. Not to mention the fact that it just doesn't make sense he wouldn't cheat in that fight, and then suddenly decide to against Mosley who had lost to Cotto and was considered well past it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIf the gloves were indeed loaded there is no way possible Cotto would of been capable of taking even "100 concrete" punches. No way. Anybody who's ever boxed before would tell you that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut237 "concrete" loaded power punches. WHo knows what would have happened had Margarito not cheated(an unless you are completely nieve, he did cheat) I am sure getting slugged with plaster hands had some effect on Cotto's strategy and ability to absorb his punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Margarito committed an unforgivable sin. Look what he did to both Cintron and Cotto's careers prior to him finally getting caught.
This kind of cheating is dangerous and deserves a life time ban.
All them points (Not saying they don't make sense) are pretty much design to look for a reason to say he's guilty. To much thought into it makes things confusing. Cuz sometimes there's just no answerQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingIt all depends to what extent plaster was being used in his wraps though. I don't think anyone is suggesting it's on par with the Luis Resto fight as far loaded gloves go, that was just grotesque... But take a look at Margarito's punching form, I think anyone who's ever boxed could also tell you that's he's technically quite poor, he is basically an arm puncher with very little natural athletecism. Obviously that's not to say the guy has no power, he's KO'ed decent fighters way back, you have to give him some benefit of the doubt.. But Shane Mosley never actually hurt Cotto, and he landed plenty of power shots on him when they fought. Miguel actually has/had a pretty good chin once he moved up to 147, and massive heart. To say he couldn't have possibly taken that many punches from loaded gloves is kind of a stretch. It's just as easy to argue that Margarito was only able to land so many punches, and hurt Miguel with the type of punches he was landing, because he had highly illegal wraps. Not to mention the fact that it just doesn't make sense he wouldn't cheat in that fight, and then suddenly decide to against Mosley who had lost to Cotto and was considered well past it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIf the gloves were indeed loaded there is no way possible Cotto would of been capable of taking even "100 concrete" punches. No way. Anybody who's ever boxed before would tell you that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
Case in point.
I personally think there isn't difference in power between Shane Mosley and Miguel Cotto. I rated it the same despite Mosley coming from a smaller weight class. Why is it that Mosley was able to stop Margarito and Cotto couldn't? Mosley landed 118 power punches on Antonio. While Miguel landed 179. I acknowledge the fact that a lot of Cotto's punches in the second half of the fight were punches landed while on the move. While Mosley pretty much set and fired all night. So there's a difference in impact. But that was in the second half. Nobody is going to tell me Cotto didn't tee off on Margarito with full impact punches that landed flush during the first half of the fight. Cuz he did. Plenty of times. And nothing. Margarito soaked them up and kept coming. Yet he had trouble taking pretty much anything from Mosley? Why? Was Margarito's chin loaded for the Cotto fight but not Mosley's? I mean come on. Like I said there just ain't no answer sometimes