Who do you have
Here's my top 5
Pacman
PBF
Martinez
Donaire
Marquez
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Who do you have
Here's my top 5
Pacman
PBF
Martinez
Donaire
Marquez
Pretty good list.
I'll go with
Pacquaio
Mayweather
Martinez
Donaire (I guess)
Bradley
Marquez for me is now a sideshow, great fighter but no longer competing to try and win world titles and unify divisions. He's the past so I won't include him.
I think Andre Ward will prove himself top 4 as well.
Donaire is still no.5 to me
Pacquiao only became 1 of the top 10 p4p best after knocking out Barrera.
I just want Donaire to stay hungry.
definitely at least 4. that performance is at par if not better than martinez's ko of pwill.
..... let's not get carried away.
It was pretty obvious even from the first round that Donaire wants to prove something and I could not believe what I saw in the 2nd round. I was expecting a very hard fight for Donaire as he was going up and testing the bantamweight division.
There's no doubt now as to Donaire's talent and power. Top 4 P4P. I agree with Bilbo. Marquez is out from the top 5 and he must give way to Donaire.
The Filipinos must rejoice for we have a new man to watch in boxing. Pac's out, Donaire's in.:cool:
getting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
I would probably have Donaire in the 5 - 7 range. He's a tremendously skilled fighter and he just beat an incredibly skilled P4P fighter, but he doesn't have the resume to be ranked higher than guys like Martinez and Marquez. That being said, he looks like he's poised to one day be ranked at the top of the list.
Of course, P4P lists are ridiculously subjective, which is why it's pointless to argue about them. I just took a look at the Ring's rankings and mine would differ significantly from theirs.
Even I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKissergetting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.
JMM took on the most dangerous opposition at Lightweight and beat them convincingly. I don't see how you can he's no longer "competing" just because he doesn't want to move up in weight where he will be uncomfortable. He hasn't had an easy fight in years, he's constantly took on tough opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Timothy Bradley wasn't that great in his last meeting, and he was only ahead by 2 points at the max. In a pretty dull fight where there was no real clear winner.
The second Diaz fight aside, Marquez' recent level of opposition has been very impressive IMO. I think he's looked old in his last couple of fights and I think his time is getting short, but (to me) it seems like he's still trying to fight the best. He's been trying to land a third Pacquiao fight forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
How could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboEven I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKissergetting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.
I don't really think he's been impressive for a while. Casamayor, Juan Diaz and Katsidis are the kind of fighters up and comers and new champions face not those at the top of the p4p rankings. Pacquaio gets slated for fighting the likes of Margarito, Cotto and Mosley, even though he's been destroying them.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHThe second Diaz fight aside, Marquez' recent level of opposition has been very impressive IMO. I think he's looked old in his last couple of fights and I think his time is getting short, but (to me) it seems like he's still trying to fight the best. He's been trying to land a third Pacquiao fight forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
In comparison Casa, Diaz and Katsidis are B- level fighters and Marquez has gone life and death with all of them. He lost every single round to Floyd who imo carried him through to the final bell.
He's an old warhorse at the same stage as Morales was when Manny finished him and Barrera was when he lost to Marquez himself and Manny for the second time.
Not a factor any more imo.
His opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboEven I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKissergetting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.
Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.
I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?
Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.
When compared to Manny Pacquiao almost any fighter's level of competition pales, he's one of the greatest fighters of all time, but that doesn't mean that Marquez hasn't been fighting high-level opposition. Katsidis was a legitimate opponent who was coming off a complete destruction of a very good, unbeaten fighter, and while the second Diaz fight was a garbage cash-grab, he was considered an excellent fighter when they first met.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't really think he's been impressive for a while. Casamayor, Juan Diaz and Katsidis are the kind of fighters up and comers and new champions face not those at the top of the p4p rankings. Pacquaio gets slated for fighting the likes of Margarito, Cotto and Mosley, even though he's been destroying them.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHThe second Diaz fight aside, Marquez' recent level of opposition has been very impressive IMO. I think he's looked old in his last couple of fights and I think his time is getting short, but (to me) it seems like he's still trying to fight the best. He's been trying to land a third Pacquiao fight forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
In comparison Casa, Diaz and Katsidis are B- level fighters and Marquez has gone life and death with all of them. He lost every single round to Floyd who imo carried him through to the final bell.
He's an old warhorse at the same stage as Morales was when Manny finished him and Barrera was when he lost to Marquez himself and Manny for the second time.
Not a factor any more imo.
I'm not disputing he's a top world class fighter. I just don't think he's as relavent to boxing any more as Manny, Floyd, Martinez, Donaire, Bradley, Ward etc. Those are the guys who will be fighting to unify belts and fight megafights.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHWhen compared to Manny Pacquiao almost any fighter's level of competition pales, he's one of the greatest fighters of all time, but that doesn't mean that Marquez hasn't been fighting high-level opposition. Katsidis was a legitimate opponent who was coming off a complete destruction of a very good, unbeaten fighter, and while the second Diaz fight was a garbage cash-grab, he was considered an excellent fighter when they first met.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't really think he's been impressive for a while. Casamayor, Juan Diaz and Katsidis are the kind of fighters up and comers and new champions face not those at the top of the p4p rankings. Pacquaio gets slated for fighting the likes of Margarito, Cotto and Mosley, even though he's been destroying them.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHThe second Diaz fight aside, Marquez' recent level of opposition has been very impressive IMO. I think he's looked old in his last couple of fights and I think his time is getting short, but (to me) it seems like he's still trying to fight the best. He's been trying to land a third Pacquiao fight forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
In comparison Casa, Diaz and Katsidis are B- level fighters and Marquez has gone life and death with all of them. He lost every single round to Floyd who imo carried him through to the final bell.
He's an old warhorse at the same stage as Morales was when Manny finished him and Barrera was when he lost to Marquez himself and Manny for the second time.
Not a factor any more imo.
Marquez will probably fight the winner of Morales Maidana and retire.
Joel Casamayor was the "Lineal Champion", Juan Diaz at that time was considered a dangerous opponent, so was Michael Katsidis.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't really think he's been impressive for a while. Casamayor, Juan Diaz and Katsidis are the kind of fighters up and comers and new champions face not those at the top of the p4p rankings. Pacquaio gets slated for fighting the likes of Margarito, Cotto and Mosley, even though he's been destroying them.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHThe second Diaz fight aside, Marquez' recent level of opposition has been very impressive IMO. I think he's looked old in his last couple of fights and I think his time is getting short, but (to me) it seems like he's still trying to fight the best. He's been trying to land a third Pacquiao fight forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
In comparison Casa, Diaz and Katsidis are B- level fighters and Marquez has gone life and death with all of them. He lost every single round to Floyd who imo carried him through to the final bell.
He's an old warhorse at the same stage as Morales was when Manny finished him and Barrera was when he lost to Marquez himself and Manny for the second time.
Not a factor any more imo.
I mean who else could he have fought ? unfortunately Edwin Valero passed away, Ali Funeka was a possibility. But he's lost some of his rep after being caught with the banned substance.
There was no one else really, as they had other fights planned or moved up. JMM beat the best available fighters at that time.
He was severly undersized vs Floyd Mayweather Jr, and had no business at Welterweight. But he still tried his best despite all the disadvantages.
If that doesn't show he doesn't want to fight the best, or isn't "competing" anymore, i don't know what is.
JMM takes on all the best fighters he can, he hasn't had a real gimme fight in years. Yes even a rematch vs Juan Diaz isn't a gimme fight.
Im big fan of JMM i love his fighting style, and his attitude. And i think he beat Manny Pacquiao twice.
Most of us here are talking about him being one of top 10 best now. He's starting to receive some respect (even from Bilbo ;D). That's a good thing.
His second victory over Williams was every bit as impressive as Donaire's victory tonight. Williams wildly considered a top 3-5 p4p fighter at the time and Martinez absolutely wrecked him. He also completely outclassed Pavlik (who I thought would knock him out) who had only lost to Hopkins at that point and was still the undisputed MW champ. Those victories might look somewhat less impressive in retrospect, but at the time they were very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboHis opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboEven I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKissergetting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.
Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.
I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?
Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.
And the Cintron fight was one of the most egregious robberies in the last 20 years. He literally beat him twice in the same night.
That's the only thing I disagree with. The second Diaz fight was a total cash-grab and, had Marquez not been on the slide at that point, he should have knocked him out within 8 or 9 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBJoel Casamayor was the "Lineal Champion", Juan Diaz at that time was considered a dangerous opponent, so was Michael Katsidis.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't really think he's been impressive for a while. Casamayor, Juan Diaz and Katsidis are the kind of fighters up and comers and new champions face not those at the top of the p4p rankings. Pacquaio gets slated for fighting the likes of Margarito, Cotto and Mosley, even though he's been destroying them.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHThe second Diaz fight aside, Marquez' recent level of opposition has been very impressive IMO. I think he's looked old in his last couple of fights and I think his time is getting short, but (to me) it seems like he's still trying to fight the best. He's been trying to land a third Pacquiao fight forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
In comparison Casa, Diaz and Katsidis are B- level fighters and Marquez has gone life and death with all of them. He lost every single round to Floyd who imo carried him through to the final bell.
He's an old warhorse at the same stage as Morales was when Manny finished him and Barrera was when he lost to Marquez himself and Manny for the second time.
Not a factor any more imo.
I mean who else could he have fought ? unfortunately Edwin Valero passed away, Ali Funeka was a possibility. But he's lost some of his rep after being caught with the banned substance.
There was no one else really, as they had other fights planned or moved up. JMM beat the best available fighters at that time.
He was severly undersized vs Floyd Mayweather Jr, and had no business at Welterweight. But he still tried his best despite all the disadvantages.
If that doesn't show he doesn't want to fight the best, or isn't "competing" anymore, i don't know what is.
JMM takes on all the best fighters he can, he hasn't had a real gimme fight in years. Yes even a rematch vs Juan Diaz isn't a gimme fight.
Im big fan of JMM i love his fighting style, and his attitude. And i think he beat Manny Pacquiao twice.
I'm not criticising his choice of opposition Ice I just don;t think they (or his performances against them) have been as good as those who I rated above him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBJoel Casamayor was the "Lineal Champion", Juan Diaz at that time was considered a dangerous opponent, so was Michael Katsidis.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't really think he's been impressive for a while. Casamayor, Juan Diaz and Katsidis are the kind of fighters up and comers and new champions face not those at the top of the p4p rankings. Pacquaio gets slated for fighting the likes of Margarito, Cotto and Mosley, even though he's been destroying them.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHThe second Diaz fight aside, Marquez' recent level of opposition has been very impressive IMO. I think he's looked old in his last couple of fights and I think his time is getting short, but (to me) it seems like he's still trying to fight the best. He's been trying to land a third Pacquiao fight forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
In comparison Casa, Diaz and Katsidis are B- level fighters and Marquez has gone life and death with all of them. He lost every single round to Floyd who imo carried him through to the final bell.
He's an old warhorse at the same stage as Morales was when Manny finished him and Barrera was when he lost to Marquez himself and Manny for the second time.
Not a factor any more imo.
I mean who else could he have fought ? unfortunately Edwin Valero passed away, Ali Funeka was a possibility. But he's lost some of his rep after being caught with the banned substance.
There was no one else really, as they had other fights planned or moved up. JMM beat the best available fighters at that time.
He was severly undersized vs Floyd Mayweather Jr, and had no business at Welterweight. But he still tried his best despite all the disadvantages.
If that doesn't show he doesn't want to fight the best, or isn't "competing" anymore, i don't know what is.
JMM takes on all the best fighters he can, he hasn't had a real gimme fight in years. Yes even a rematch vs Juan Diaz isn't a gimme fight.
Im big fan of JMM i love his fighting style, and his attitude. And i think he beat Manny Pacquiao twice.
Casamayor was completely done. He lost virtually every round to a gatekeeper fighter in Santa Cruz, he was nowhere the top of his game when Marquez fought him.
Juan Diaz, let's be honest he got battered by Nate Cambell and was never the same. Maliggnaggi beat him twice, let's be fair.
Katsidis was knocked out by a faded Casa, and beaten soundly by Diaz, he's not a world class fighter, more like a poor man's Gatti.
There would have been an uproar had Manny or Floyd even fought those guys let alone got dropped by them all as Marquez was.
He's a great fighter, world class no doubt but right now the guys I mentioned are all above him imo.
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Originally Posted by CFHHis second victory over Williams was every bit as impressive as Donaire's victory tonight. Williams wildly considered a top 3-5 p4p fighter at the time and Martinez absolutely wrecked him. He also completely outclassed Pavlik (who I thought would knock him out) who had only lost to Hopkins at that point and was still the undisputed MW champ. Those victories might look somewhat less impressive in retrospect, but at the time they were very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboHis opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboEven I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKissergetting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.
Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.
I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?
Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.
And the Cintron fight was one of the most egregious robberies in the last 20 years. He literally beat him twice in the same night.
I don't know what your disagreeing with me on? All I said was, that Pacquaio aside nobody has been smashing their best opposition the way Donaire has.
Martinez lost to Williams, and whether he was robbed of the win or not got taken the distance against Cintron and Pavlik.
All I was saying is that Donaire has smashed his opponents in a way that none of the other guys in the p4p, Manny aside have been doing. Martinez smashed Willaims for sure, but he lost to him a few monthsprevious.
That's all I'm saying.
You said that Donaire had fought the two best opponents available to them and had smashed them. You then said that Martinez had not and that is what I am disagreeing with. He might not have knocked out Pavlik, but he outclassed him, and I would argue that Martinez' victories over Williams and Pavlik were comparable or superior to Donaire's over Montiel and Darchinyan.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHis second victory over Williams was every bit as impressive as Donaire's victory tonight. Williams wildly considered a top 3-5 p4p fighter at the time and Martinez absolutely wrecked him. He also completely outclassed Pavlik (who I thought would knock him out) who had only lost to Hopkins at that point and was still the undisputed MW champ. Those victories might look somewhat less impressive in retrospect, but at the time they were very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboHis opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboEven I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKissergetting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.
Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.
I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?
Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.
And the Cintron fight was one of the most egregious robberies in the last 20 years. He literally beat him twice in the same night.
I don't know what your disagreeing with me on? All I said was, that Pacquaio aside nobody has been smashing their best opposition the way Donaire has.
Martinez lost to Williams, and whether he was robbed of the win or not got taken the distance against Cintron and Pavlik.
All I was saying is that Donaire has smashed his opponents in a way that none of the other guys in the p4p, Manny aside have been doing. Martinez smashed Willaims for sure, but he lost to him a few monthsprevious.
That's all I'm saying.
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Originally Posted by CFHYou said that Donaire had fought the two best opponents available to them and had smashed them. You then said that Martinez had not and that is what I am disagreeing with. He might not have knocked out Pavlik, but he outclassed him, and I would argue that Martinez' victories over Williams and Pavlik were comparable or superior to Donaire's over Montiel and Darchinyan.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHis second victory over Williams was every bit as impressive as Donaire's victory tonight. Williams wildly considered a top 3-5 p4p fighter at the time and Martinez absolutely wrecked him. He also completely outclassed Pavlik (who I thought would knock him out) who had only lost to Hopkins at that point and was still the undisputed MW champ. Those victories might look somewhat less impressive in retrospect, but at the time they were very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboHis opposition has been steller but he hasn't destroyed them the way Donaire has. He lost the first fight with Williams, fought to a draw with Kermit Cintron (yes I know it was bullshit).Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow could Martinez recent opposition have been better? He completely outclassed the top fighters in two divisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboEven I won't argue against a number 4 ranking now. He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKissergetting carried away is putting donaire at no. 2. imo he deserve to move at least a position up the p4p ranking.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.
Meanwhile Donaire has wrecked his opposition, completely sparking them like Martinez did in the Williams rematch.
I think Martinez is 1-1-1 in his last three fights?
Oh he did beat Pavlik too. But again it was a competive fight until down the stretch and it went to the cards. Not a demolition like Donaire did tonight and against Vic.
And the Cintron fight was one of the most egregious robberies in the last 20 years. He literally beat him twice in the same night.
I don't know what your disagreeing with me on? All I said was, that Pacquaio aside nobody has been smashing their best opposition the way Donaire has.
Martinez lost to Williams, and whether he was robbed of the win or not got taken the distance against Cintron and Pavlik.
All I was saying is that Donaire has smashed his opponents in a way that none of the other guys in the p4p, Manny aside have been doing. Martinez smashed Willaims for sure, but he lost to him a few monthsprevious.
That's all I'm saying.
This is what I wrote
He's fought the two fighters regarded as the best opposition out there at that time and totally smashed them. I don't think anybody else has done that lately. Martinez hasn't, Bradley, Marquez, Lopez, Ward etc.
Only Pacquaio has been toppling top guys as impressively.
I don't know how that is debatable. Martinez has gone to points in three of his last four with a loss and a draw amongst them. That's not smashing everybody.
That's all I'm saying. It was just a throwaway comment geez ;D
Since when did you become such a pedant?
I'm not arguing whether Pavlik and Williams were better opp than Montiel and Donaire just that one punch ko'ing both Montiel and Darchinyan is more explosive than going 1-1 wit Williams and winning on points against Pavlik.
Let it go, you're starting to sound like Miles :D
I think that Martinez ko'ing Wiliams was still more impressive than Donaire's win tonight. Here's my top 10 p4p
Pac
Pbf
Martinez
Donaire
JMM
Wlad Klitschko
Bradley
Hopkins
Ward
V.Klitschko
give your opinions ladies and gentelmen
I got a feeling Lucian Bute will be up there too this year.
He's one of my fav fighter.
it was a great punch by Donaire, but i gotta say that the ref was a complete moron, he should have either stopped the fight once Montiel got up, or make sure Donaire was in the neutral corner before allowing it to continue (can't really blame Nonito for pouncing on him, it's not his job it's the refs)
gotta give Montiel credit though the way he just popped up from such a hellish shot (and the Simon Brown replay) was crazy, i honestly wouldn't mind a rematch down the road, cause i honestly think it would play differently
but back the the original topic, i still don't have Donaire in the top 5, i have him barely making the top 10 (probably at around 7 or 8) my top 5 as of right now is
Pacquiao
Mayweather
Martinez
Marquez
Lopez
Like anybody will believe you.... nice joke tho'. Anyone who reads how you bash Filipino fighters witrh your posts now know how your hatred turned you into a BIG joke. Did you not see the huge crater-like damage left on the side of Montiel's face where Nonito's counter left hook landed? And here you are talking about a rematch! Nice joke... haha! You have got to buy humble pie to go with the crow for your next meal!Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
And get rid of your joke sig, not only that it's old, it's irrelevant! LOL!
believe me about what jackass? i put my take on it, you don't have to like it hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by KananKrusLike anybody will believe you.... nice joke tho'Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
You're a man of your word ElTerrible. That's cool.
Your new sig will probably annoy VD more, than you.
it already seems to have pissed off Kankersore haha either way yea i put my top 5, seems that the little bitch couldn't handle the fact that there are still fighters out there who have accomplished a lot more and are still more deserving than Donaire, i mean it was a great win, and that's why i finally have him on the p4p list, but 2 good wins don't put you right up there on the p4p list especially with the gap between those 2 fights, IMO the guys i have up in the top 5 are more deserving and have done a lot more than DonaireQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
I respect Montiel. I've never ever talk crap about him. I said "he will get slaughtered or KTFO" but that just about it. He still have better boxing resume than Donaire. 40 something win with 70 percent KO rate against some good names. No one can take that away from him. But the better man won last night. Beat the man to be the man as they say.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesit already seems to have pissed off Kankersore haha either way yea i put my top 5, seems that the little bitch couldn't handle the fact that there are still fighters out there who have accomplished a lot more and are still more deserving than Donaire, i mean it was a great win, and that's why i finally have him on the p4p list, but 2 good wins don't put you right up there on the p4p list especially with the gap between those 2 fights, IMO the guys i have up in the top 5 are more deserving and have done a lot more than DonaireQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
Donaire is getting exaggeratedly overhype right now regarding this p4p thing. Like I'm trying to say in first page of this thread. Pacquiao only became one of the top p4p fighter when he defeated Barrera for the first time. I think Nonito will have to win a lineal belt in heavier weight class too to deserve such accolade he's receiving right now.
I think HBO guys like Roy Jones are putting him at #2 because of skillset. I completely agree, skill wise Nonito is right below Pacquiao but considering every factor such as resume I have to place him third or forth.
When it comes to skills i dont think anybody can deny him that number 2 slot.
1. Pac
2. Floyd
3. Sergio
4. Marquez
5. Juan Ma
exactly how i have it right now, IMO Donaire is now actually deserving of p4p status but still have him on the bottom half, around 7 or 8Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
are you kidding me? Mayweather's skills are way beyond Donaire'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
For what it's worth, my top 5 p4p would probably look something like this:
1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Hopkins (I feel dirty just typing that)
5. Ward/Donaire/Bradley/Lopez/Froch
I really feel the guys I have in the #5 spot are pretty interchangeable depending on ones preferences.
MY personal top 5 p4p does not include Floyd Mayweather.
(collective sigh of disbelief from Mayweather fans)
I just don't think that having fought the overrated Hatton, undersized JMM, and over-the-hill Mosley in about 3 1/2 frigging years is action enough to warrant a top 5 p4p ranking for the Pretty Boy. (Even RJJ himself was calling him inactive during last night's telecast.... and he LIKES Floyd).
That being said, let the insults rain, and the booing begin........
;)
Mayweather is retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesare you kidding me? Mayweather's skills are way beyond Donaire'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
If you are removing him from the ratings altogether on the grounds that he is inactive/retired then it's a fair position to hold, although for myself I still have him at two as he's not not publicly retired.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
If you're saying you have him further down your list however and just don't think his current opposition is worthy of a top 5 placement then that is the most retarded thing I've heard on Saddo's this week at least, certainly since Seanie's plan to get doctor's to lead the protests for better fight matchups ;D