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But Can We Admit the Fact That...
I sincerely appologize for creating yet another thread which mentions Haye and W. Klitschko, but there is one thing I feel we need to clear the air about.
The majority of posters on here have berated Haye's performance and called this a shit fight.
But- be honest now. Was this fight worse than any of the following???
Let's see here...
Wlad vs Samuel Peter - I think the only action in this fight after we got through the first rounds consisting mostly of clinching, was watching a slow plodding peter try his best to land something... anything on Wlad. Failing this, Peter was KO'd. Bravo, good fight.
Wlad vs Eddie Chambers - If I'm not mistaken... I think Chambers may have actually hit Wlad once. Not sure though. The body slam was pretty cool. Waiting till the end of round 12 for a KO that was due way earlier was.... well... it is what it is.
Wlad vs Ruslan Chagaev - Chagaev moves forward, tries to hit Wlad, cannot, gets tied up, knocked down, and stopped. Hmm he might have hit Wlad once or twice as well.... Im not sure. Wlad probably forgot if he did as well.
Wlad vs Hasim Rahman - Ahh yes, I remember this fight... barely. Poor Rahman never stood a chance. Did he hit Wlad once? I dont feel like watching the fight again to find out. But I do recall a one sided no hope beating.
So in retrospect, how bad was the fight we witnessed on the 2nd. My God, Haye won about 2 rounds. Who was the last person to win ANY rounds against Wlad. The last person to go 12 rounds with Wlad was..... Yeah, no one wants to even think about that fight.
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And for those who still are not convinced, I submit exibit B:
I shall name 2 names of boxers involved in interesting fights with Vitali Klitschko...
Solis - grounded permanently after getting brushed by a "punch" on the temple.
And less we forget the infamous Kevin Johnson? ;D
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What are you trying to prove with this? Are your trying to ease our minds about how big a flop Haye was? The man talked himself into this position and then didn't follow through he has no one to blame but himself.
Wlad vs Peter at least had some drama. The Haye fight was just Haye spewing shit. I would equate it to the Kevin Johnson fight or maybe the Ibragimov fight. All the other fights you listed were ok....Solis injured himself and I don't really call that a "fight"...that's the ONLY way Haye could have looked even worse in the ring.
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El Kabong
What are you trying to prove with this? Are your trying to ease our minds about how big a flop Haye was? The man talked himself into this position and then didn't follow through he has no one to blame but himself.
Wlad vs Peter at least had some drama. The Haye fight was just Haye spewing shit. I would equate it to the Kevin Johnson fight or maybe the Ibragimov fight. All the other fights you listed were ok....Solis injured himself and I don't really call that a "fight"...that's the ONLY way Haye could have looked even worse in the ring.
No Lyle, I'm saying that Haye (while falling and "running") accomplished more, as proven by the score cards, then any of the other Klitschko opponents I have listed. If you are honest with yourself, you may recall that in some of those fights, Klitschko may not have taken 1 clean shot. (peter landed one after the bell, so it doesnt count)
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Dude? Let it die, really. Haye can be lumped in the a shot to bits Rahman and last legs Peter. Now what ???
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All of the fights you mentioned resulted in a KO/TKO so of course they were better fights. The other fighters tried to win not tried to finish the fight on their feet like Haye.
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mate i put 1 bet on for the fight, 10 euros on wlad to win on points
id rather not have won the bet but i did
if i could have bet on it being a boring fight i would have put that on too
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El Kabong
What are you trying to prove with this? Are your trying to ease our minds about how big a flop Haye was? The man talked himself into this position and then didn't follow through he has no one to blame but himself.
Wlad vs Peter at least had some drama. The Haye fight was just Haye spewing shit. I would equate it to the Kevin Johnson fight or maybe the Ibragimov fight. All the other fights you listed were ok....Solis injured himself and I don't really call that a "fight"...that's the ONLY way Haye could have looked even worse in the ring.
No Lyle,
I'm saying that Haye (while falling and "running") accomplished more, as proven by the score cards, then any of the other Klitschko opponents I have listed. If you are honest with yourself, you may recall that in some of those fights, Klitschko may not have taken 1 clean shot. (peter landed one after the bell, so it doesnt count)
He also got paid more than all of them combined too, so I don't think the fans got better value for money if that's your point :confused:
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ninjaspy3
I sincerely appologize for creating yet another thread which mentions Haye and W. Klitschko, but there is one thing I feel we need to clear the air about.
The majority of posters on here have berated Haye's performance and called this a shit fight.
But- be honest now. Was this fight worse than any of the following???
Let's see here...
Wlad vs Samuel Peter - I think the only action in this fight after we got through the first rounds consisting mostly of clinching, was watching a slow plodding peter try his best to land something... anything on Wlad. Failing this, Peter was KO'd. Bravo, good fight.
Wlad vs Eddie Chambers - If I'm not mistaken... I think Chambers may have actually hit Wlad once. Not sure though. The body slam was pretty cool. Waiting till the end of round 12 for a KO that was due way earlier was.... well... it is what it is.
Wlad vs Ruslan Chagaev - Chagaev moves forward, tries to hit Wlad, cannot, gets tied up, knocked down, and stopped. Hmm he might have hit Wlad once or twice as well.... Im not sure. Wlad probably forgot if he did as well.
Wlad vs Hasim Rahman - Ahh yes, I remember this fight... barely. Poor Rahman never stood a chance. Did he hit Wlad once? I dont feel like watching the fight again to find out. But I do recall a one sided no hope beating.
So in retrospect, how bad was the fight we witnessed on the 2nd. My God, Haye won about 2 rounds. Who was the last person to win ANY rounds against Wlad. The last person to go 12 rounds with Wlad was..... Yeah, no one wants to even think about that fight.
Berating Haye's performance and calling it shit? Hey, I resemble that remark. :jester:
You must be talking about Peter's 2nd fight with Wlad, because in the 1st fight, Peter knocked Wlad down a couple times.
So your point is what ninjaspy? Since Haye manages to win 2 rounds and survives the 12 rounds and in your opinion did better then all the other losers you mentioned, he's special and deserves credit? BTW, didn't Ibragimuffin go 12 rounds with Wlad?
Like I said on the fight thread, Haye survived the 12 rounds and didn't get KO'd, lands 2 or 3 effective shots on Wlad, and wins 2 rounds of a 12 round fight, that's about like winning 2 races at the Special Olympics, yeah you won, but guess what, you're still retarded.
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it's worse than all those fights because of the way DH built it up and built himself up. Good promotion and made a lot of money but when he is 80 years old i'm sure he will look back and wish he'd done something different.
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How exactly does one 'resemble' a remark? ???
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I'd give Haye credit if he talked shit about winning rounds or running but nooooo he said and I quote "I will decapitate Wladimir Klitschko" and so forth....winning 2 rounds (at most) doesn't cover that spread man.
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haye promised a "brutal execution"..........MWAHAHA!
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As disappointed as I was with David for fighting inside of himself and not putting any pressure on Wladimir whatsoever, even though I assumed that this would highly increase his chances of getting KTFO, I am actually quite at peace with it now because Wladimir come rain or shine is 100% effective and I guess when you weigh it up, the simple truth is Haye did as good as he possibly could without getting KTFO. Which is far better than what Ibragimov or Chambers achived, Ibragimov didn't win a round nor land a meaningfull punch and Chambers got KTFO even while trying not to.
I can't rate Chagaev or Peters efforts simply because Chagaev tired very briefly to impose himself... And then quit & Peter is limited in what he can do so only has one option. To get KTFO.
I think Brock & Thompson gave it a much better go than Haye. Brock was fighting with spirit and had a rough semblance of a game plane. Thompson maybe even more so.
The point I'm making is, hype/ trash talk/ irrelevance aside, Haye wasn't terrible. No one gave a shit that Ibragimov fought so negatively, they were more concerned about what Wlad was doing. I think this is just a perfect example of fickle boxing fans showing their emotions.
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How exactly does one 'resemble' a remark? ???
It's not not surprising that a dumb fuck like you has never heard that expression.
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El Kabong
I'd give Haye credit if he talked shit about winning rounds or running but nooooo he said and I quote "I will decapitate Wladimir Klitschko" and so forth....winning 2 rounds (at most) doesn't cover that spread man.
That's exactly why Wlad loves his business partner Haye. He's never made close to the amount of money Haye generated for him and never will again.
You were stupid enough to believe Wlad, a highly intelligent man, would be changed by Haye's silly promotional antics.
Wlad ain't the chump you thought he was. Fact.
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Seriously ninjaspy, I don't get your point, forget about Wlad and his other opponents and just look at the facts. Haye lost a very lopsided decision, most had it 9-2-1, and he was totally dominated in a big, for all the marbles, HW Championship fight. If this were anyone other then David Haye would you be trying to give them credit for that losing performance?
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Seriously ninjaspy, I don't get your point, forget about Wlad and his other opponents and just look at the facts. Haye lost a very lopsided decision, most had it 9-2-1, and he was totally dominated in a big, for all the marbles, HW Championship fight. If this were anyone other then David Haye would you be trying to give them credit for that losing performance?
His point is more to do with the fight, rather than the fighters.
As in 'the fight was boring, a white wash, but that's no different to any other Klitschko fight. In other fights Wlad gets all the flack so why is Haye getting it now.'
And as I said, it's because it's rag week.
Some real emotions on this board this week. FUN TIMES! :thumb:
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Mars_ax
Seriously ninjaspy, I don't get your point, forget about Wlad and his other opponents and just look at the facts. Haye lost a very lopsided decision, most had it 9-2-1, and he was totally dominated in a big, for all the marbles, HW Championship fight. If this were anyone other then David Haye would you be trying to give them credit for that losing performance?
His point is more to do with the fight, rather than the fighters.
As in '
the fight was boring, a white wash, but that's no different to any other Klitschko fight. In other fights Wlad gets all the flack so why is Haye getting it now.'
And as I said, it's because it's rag week.
Some real emotions on this board this week. FUN TIMES! :thumb:
I would have liked to have seen a KO, but since Wlad basically clowned Haye and made his point, I was entertained.
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None of those guys you mentioned talked a FRACTION of the shit that Haye did, and none of those fights had a fraction of the hype that this one did.
Haye made a lot of big promises and he fell short by a mile. Disgraceful performance no matter which way you slice it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYnL5...layer_embedded
SSSSSSSHHHHHHH.... lets let the pictures do the talking.
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Hahaha, brilliant find. Wlad has grown on me a lot. Seems like a really, funny cool guy. Good video. ;D
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All of the fights you mentioned resulted in a KO/TKO so of course they were better fights. The other fighters tried to win not tried to finish the fight on their feet like Haye.
Ok, first I will adress this.
Will someone please explain to me the logic that "If a fight ends in KO/TKO, it is a better fight"?
That is an opinion. Specifically, that is your opinion and I am sure that many share this opinion.
However, it is not a fact.
A fight is not necessarily better simply because it ends in a KO/TKO.
For example, sometimes a KO happens almost completely by luck, or accident.
So you would be saying that a fight in which a lucky KO happens is better than say... if there was a highly skilled bout that went to the cards. Or perhaps a fight bedtween 2 tough fighters who simply refused to quit or go down.
So, I hope I beat that horse enough.
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Beanflicker
None of those guys you mentioned talked a FRACTION of the shit that Haye did, and none of those fights had a fraction of the hype that this one did.
Haye made a lot of big promises and he fell short by a mile. Disgraceful performance no matter which way you slice it.
I dont care how much trash haye talked. I am trying to discuss the actual accomplishments of each of the fights we are comparing, and only that.
And I stand by the opinion that of the opponents which I listed for Wladimir, Haye gave the most competitive showing. No one has addressed how any of the fighters in the fights I listed accomplished any single measure of success against Wlad. Know why? They accomplihed zero.
The ones who tried to fight also accomplished next to nothing. That is my point.
Riddle me this...
What was the last fighter to win ANY rounds against Wlad?
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ninjaspy3
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Hunter
All of the fights you mentioned resulted in a KO/TKO so of course they were better fights. The other fighters tried to win not tried to finish the fight on their feet like Haye.
Ok, first I will adress
this.
Will someone please explain to me the logic that "If a fight ends in KO/TKO, it is a better fight"?
That is an opinion. Specifically, that is your opinion and I am sure that many share this opinion.
However, it is not a fact.
A fight is not necessarily better simply because it ends in a KO/TKO.
For example, sometimes a KO happens almost completely by luck, or accident.
So you would be saying that a fight in which a lucky KO happens is better than say... if there was a highly skilled bout that went to the cards. Or perhaps a fight bedtween 2 tough fighters who simply refused to quit or go down.
So, I hope I beat that horse enough.
But the guy didn't even try to win. I have no idea what horse you are even trying to beat here. It was a crap showing from a now proven mediocre HW.
It was utter crap and there is nothing wrong with telling it how it was.
Almost everyone in the world thinks he sucked except for you, doesn't that make you think a little?
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hahaha that Wlad video was great.
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ninjaspy3
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Hunter
All of the fights you mentioned resulted in a KO/TKO so of course they were better fights. The other fighters tried to win not tried to finish the fight on their feet like Haye.
Ok, first I will adress
this.
Will someone please explain to me the logic that "If a fight ends in KO/TKO, it is a better fight"?
That is an opinion. Specifically, that is your opinion and I am sure that many share this opinion.
However, it is not a fact.
A fight is not necessarily better simply because it ends in a KO/TKO.
For example, sometimes a KO happens almost completely by luck, or accident.
So you would be saying that a fight in which a lucky KO happens is better than say... if there was a highly skilled bout that went to the cards. Or perhaps a fight bedtween 2 tough fighters who simply refused to quit or go down.
So, I hope I beat that horse enough.
But the guy didn't even try to win. I have no idea what horse you are even trying to beat here. It was a crap showing from a now proven mediocre HW.
It was utter crap and there is nothing wrong with telling it how it was.
Almost everyone in the world thinks he sucked except for you, doesn't that make you think a little?
You see, thats just it Miles. I AM thinking. And some of us are refusing to do so.
So I will repeat what point I was trying to make in the post you replied to.
Hunter said that the fights I mentioned ended in KO/TKO, therefore they were better fights, and I pointed out to him that just because a fight ends in KO/TKO does not mean it is a better fight. It is simply his opinion, probably because he personally likes to see KOs, but that does not mean his personal opinion about what makes a fight good is fact.
Now Miles, as to your point, in Haye's non effort, he gave Wlad a better fight than the other oponents which I listed who did try. Do you see what Im getting at now?
It means the fight which you are complaining about is in reality, a better showing than previous opponents even though Haye didnt give a 100% effort.
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ninjaspy3
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miles
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ninjaspy3
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Originally Posted by
Hunter
All of the fights you mentioned resulted in a KO/TKO so of course they were better fights. The other fighters tried to win not tried to finish the fight on their feet like Haye.
Ok, first I will adress
this.
Will someone please explain to me the logic that "If a fight ends in KO/TKO, it is a better fight"?
That is an opinion. Specifically, that is your opinion and I am sure that many share this opinion.
However, it is not a fact.
A fight is not necessarily better simply because it ends in a KO/TKO.
For example, sometimes a KO happens almost completely by luck, or accident.
So you would be saying that a fight in which a lucky KO happens is better than say... if there was a highly skilled bout that went to the cards. Or perhaps a fight bedtween 2 tough fighters who simply refused to quit or go down.
So, I hope I beat that horse enough.
But the guy didn't even try to win. I have no idea what horse you are even trying to beat here. It was a crap showing from a now proven mediocre HW.
It was utter crap and there is nothing wrong with telling it how it was.
Almost everyone in the world thinks he sucked except for you, doesn't that make you think a little?
You see, thats just it Miles. I AM thinking. And some of us are refusing to do so.
So I will repeat what point I was trying to make in the post you replied to.
Hunter said that the fights I mentioned ended in KO/TKO, therefore they were better fights, and I pointed out to him that just because a fight ends in KO/TKO does not mean it is a better fight. It is simply his opinion, probably because he personally likes to see KOs, but that does not mean his personal opinion about what makes a fight good is fact.
Now Miles, as to your point, in Haye's non effort, he gave Wlad a better fight than the other oponents which I listed who did try. Do you see what Im getting at now?
It means the fight which you are complaining about is in reality, a better showing than previous opponents even though Haye didnt give a 100% effort.
I get your point, but it was just such a negative display. I can't give Haye any credit for it. Early on I thought it was decent, but Haye just seemed to give up once he felt some power. It was survival mode and the same thing he has criticised everyone else for. As boxing fans we are quite harsh people, we want to see people go out on their swords. It isn't nice, but it earns respect and it is why top boxers earn so much money. They are expected to give their all. Haye didn't do that and so people are pissed, that's all. I'm sure you see that.
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miles
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ninjaspy3
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miles
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ninjaspy3
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Hunter
All of the fights you mentioned resulted in a KO/TKO so of course they were better fights. The other fighters tried to win not tried to finish the fight on their feet like Haye.
Ok, first I will adress
this.
Will someone please explain to me the logic that "If a fight ends in KO/TKO, it is a better fight"?
That is an opinion. Specifically, that is your opinion and I am sure that many share this opinion.
However, it is not a fact.
A fight is not necessarily better simply because it ends in a KO/TKO.
For example, sometimes a KO happens almost completely by luck, or accident.
So you would be saying that a fight in which a lucky KO happens is better than say... if there was a highly skilled bout that went to the cards. Or perhaps a fight bedtween 2 tough fighters who simply refused to quit or go down.
So, I hope I beat that horse enough.
But the guy didn't even try to win. I have no idea what horse you are even trying to beat here. It was a crap showing from a now proven mediocre HW.
It was utter crap and there is nothing wrong with telling it how it was.
Almost everyone in the world thinks he sucked except for you, doesn't that make you think a little?
You see, thats just it Miles. I AM thinking. And some of us are refusing to do so.
So I will repeat what point I was trying to make in the post you replied to.
Hunter said that the fights I mentioned ended in KO/TKO, therefore they were better fights, and I pointed out to him that just because a fight ends in KO/TKO does not mean it is a better fight. It is simply his opinion, probably because he personally likes to see KOs, but that does not mean his personal opinion about what makes a fight good is fact.
Now Miles, as to your point, in Haye's non effort, he gave Wlad a better fight than the other oponents which I listed who did try. Do you see what Im getting at now?
It means the fight which you are complaining about is in reality, a better showing than previous opponents even though Haye didnt give a 100% effort.
I get your point, but it was just such a negative display. I can't give Haye any credit for it. Early on I thought it was decent, but Haye just seemed to give up once he felt some power. It was survival mode and the same thing he has criticised everyone else for. As boxing fans we are quite harsh people, we want to see people go out on their swords. It isn't nice, but it earns respect and it is why top boxers earn so much money. They are expected to give their all. Haye didn't do that and so people are pissed, that's all. I'm sure you see that.
I understand. I just think people go a little overboard sometimes.
I mean, thinking realistically, Im sure Haye was taken by surprise at Wlad's skill and speed.
After that, he probably tried to find the best way to fight without getting KOd.
And I know, that sucks for us, the audiance, but honestly, who is really going to stick their chin out there if they have a 2nd option? KOs are generally scored on those who get the fight brought to them, and there is nothing they can do to stop it. Whether by surprise, or by inevitableness of the opponent running them down and cornering them. Or of course, there are those who say "what the hell" and just go out "Gung Ho," forget all else... and get KO'd.
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Miles, I struggle to see how you can be in survival mode yet continue to land several solid right hands through out the fight ???
Infact the best punch of the fight was in the 12th round. It's nonesense.
You know, the only difference between this fight and the Valuev fight was that Wladimir found a nice secure home for his jab.
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That was brilliant ;D
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Ninja bud did you hurt your toe as well ??? I mean I am as stubborn and loyal as the next guy but really mate you've moved beyond putting lipstick on a pig to going for the full scale fashion show. Respectfully man this is far beyond a reach.
So Haye won a couple rounds. In fantasy land where Unicorns gallop and Championship fights are set for 4 rounds that's something to hang your hat on but the fact that his scale tilts far more convincingly to the 'L' in the biggest fight of his professional life will be first and foremost. I really don't think you do him any favors at all by using some also rans as a measuring stick for his accomplishments vs Wlad where it's as plain as day that his sence of self preservation trumped his confidence and belief in victory. You don't get to to 'kind of' lose like that or be awarded brownie points for moral victory on a Championship elite level.
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Miles, I struggle to see how you can be in survival mode yet continue to land several solid right hands through out the fight ???
Infact the best punch of the fight was in the 12th round. It's nonesense.
You know, the only difference between this fight and the Valuev fight was that Wladimir found a nice secure home for his jab.
When you throw half the divisions average of punches you are in survival mode. You aren't trying at that level. Sure he tried to land something mad in the last round, but that was it. Nothing more than a final bitch slap to suggest that he tried.
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Ninja bud did you hurt your toe as well ??? I mean I am as stubborn and loyal as the next guy but really mate you've moved beyond putting lipstick on a pig to going for the full scale fashion show. Respectfully man this is far beyond a reach.
So Haye won a couple rounds. In fantasy land where Unicorns gallop and Championship fights are set for 4 rounds that's something to hang your hat on but the fact that his scale tilts far more convincingly to the 'L' in the biggest fight of his professional life will be first and foremost. I really don't think you do him any favors at all by using some also rans as a measuring stick for his accomplishments vs Wlad where it's as plain as day that his sence of self preservation trumped his confidence and belief in victory. You don't get to to 'kind of' lose like that or be awarded brownie points for moral victory on a Championship elite level.
Im not trying to do Haye any favors. Im posting this because with some of the comments, I feel like maybe somehow people's grip on reality got lost somewhere. As long as we have been watching Wlad fight, as many grim performances as we have seen, and it seemd like everyone has amneisia now, and somehow this is the worst thing that has ever happened. I just think people's negativity toward this fight is ilogical and over the top considering the fights that took place before.
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At this point in time why should ANYONE be surprised at Wlad's skill? He's won 14 fights in a row, he's defended his titles vs the best unified a few of them and look at the division, nobody out there has been ducked, nobody out there is all that scary, and Wlad is a young 35....he could go on til he's 39 like his brother.
I do enjoy all the paper tigers out there like David Rodriguez that said "I'll KO both Klitschko's" ......yeah, sure you will princess, your 35(33 KO)-0-0 record looks great....until you read who you've fought. Owen Beck, Andy Sample.....wow how do you not have a belt already :vd:
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http://nycblog.citysearch.com/fashion/images/chav1.jpg
Da Chavs ov Britain r still down wit da Hayemaker. Ya na mean bruv?
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You are starting to annoy me with your anti-Brit thing. The chavs are no different to your trailer trash. Why do you feel the need to constantly attack the Brits? You have a god awful sub population too, and yet you ignore that.
I only ever attack your political elite, but you seem to really hate English people. You are better than that.
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:vd:
Very well. I give up. But some of you guys should really re-watch some of those "classic" fights.
That may help provide a little perspective.
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:vd:
Very well. I give up. But some of you guys should really re-watch some of those "classic" fights.
That may help provide a little perspective.
....Cheer up, there's good news for Haye and his fans.
Odlanier Solis' manager just called Haye out....perfect comeback fight IMO. Avenge an amateur loss, go for a KO vs one of the "heavyweight bums" he called out in the past.
Though I highly doubt 50k show up to watch that....it would still be a good fight for Haye.
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generalbulldog
You are starting to annoy me with your anti-Brit thing. The chavs are no different to your trailer trash. Why do you feel the need to constantly attack the Brits? You have a god awful sub population too, and yet you ignore that.
I only ever attack your political elite, but you seem to really hate English people. You are better than that.
As you Brits say, it's just taking the piss.:)
