No ones fault but Floyds!!!

First off I will say I think Floyd was winning the fight. How people can say Floyd was dominating the fight i will never know. There was clearly no domination by ethier fighter at any poin tin the fight. Both fighters were displaying awsome defense and both fighters were really just getting warmed up. Also it appeared to me to be classic Floyd and he was just getting warmed up but at the same time it seemed Ortiz was starting to turn it on. All this being said the KO by Floyd was a bull shit move, wont call it a bitch move cause the head butt. Ive watched the replays 8544 times and the ref never said fight. The ref wasnt even lookin people!!!!!! As Ortiz stepped back he looked away slightly to his left and bam. The first shot turned his head to the left and he was clearly dazed and almost out on his feet and then Floyd nailed him again. I seen where someone made a post sayin they thought Ortiz was faking lol you dont fake gettin hit like that, Floyd nailed him. The KO was the equvilent of someone checkin out at the store and gettin blasted outta no where from the side and then sayin oh that was a awsome KO. No thats a weak ass b1tch KO! Sure Ortiz head butted him but Ortiz is aggressive and relentless in his fighting style but at least Floyd was lookin lol. Holyfield got headbutted and is ear bit off by tyson and still didnt pull nothin like this. Its really hard to say what was goin threw Floyds head when he hit them the second time. I understand the first punch but when hes still not lookin and the ref isnt lookin and ortizs hands are down its hard to see how anyone could say this was anyone but Floyds fault.

Im even going to go outta of my way to say this doesnt even change my opinion of Floyd, hes slick as fk, I just dont see whay he did that. I believe just like Ortiz got overly excited and threw a headbutt, Floyd got over excited and threw those punches. Like I say the second one is what makes me wonder.

Honestly i think Floyd was just pissed about the headbutt and wanted to KO him the f out.

your wrong about Cortez not restarting the action, he did it, was more than audible.. Cortez has a distinct voice you can here him signal to restart.

Can someone find me a clip that shows the ref saying fight? Ive looked at every youtube vid and cant hear or see it on any of them.

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Can someone find me a clip that shows the ref saying fight? Ive looked at every youtube vid and cant hear or see it on any of them.

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Jimanuel Boogustus posted a link in a thread last night, I cant remember which 1 I will looks around, but Cortez was clear as a bell on the restart. HBO probably pulled the vid but it was clear Cortez signaled a restart

Everyone here knows how I dislike Mayweather. But .....

Yes, I have seen that clip wherein Cortez did restart the fight.

Clear as a bell, floyd in the neutral corner. Cortez deducts the point brings Ortiz to the neutral corner tells him not to do that again, he claps his hands together and says lets go and then you see the hug fest and Cortez even says go again. he signaled them to restart a good 5 seconds before Floyd hit him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fPyosSlgd8

If you go to about the 3.00 mark of this video you see Cortez lead Ortiz to the neutral corner and say "Don't be doing that." He then motions them together and you hear him say "Let's go."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh8iM5FjLqw

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First off I will say I think Floyd was winning the fight. How people can say Floyd was dominating the fight i will never know. There was clearly no domination by ethier fighter at any poin tin the fight. Both fighters were displaying awsome defense and both fighters were really just getting warmed up. Also it appeared to me to be classic Floyd and he
was just getting warmed up but at the same time it seemed Ortiz was starting to turn it on. All this being said the KO by Floyd was a bull shit move, wont call it a bitch move cause the head butt. Ive watched the replays 8544 times and the ref never said fight. The ref wasnt even lookin people!!!!!! As Ortiz stepped
back he looked away slightly to his left and bam. The first shot turned his head to the left and he was clearly dazed and almost out on his feet and then Floyd nailed him again. I seen where someone made a post sayin they thought Ortiz was faking lol you dont fake gettin hit like that, Floyd nailed him. The KO was the equvilent of someone checkin
out at the store and gettin blasted outta no where from the side and then sayin oh that was a awsome KO. No thats a weak ass b1tch KO! Sure Ortiz head butted him but Ortiz is aggressive and relentless in his fighting style but at least Floyd was
lookin lol. Holyfield got headbutted and is ear bit off by tyson and still didnt pull nothin like this. Its really hard to say what was goin threw Floyds head when he hit them the second time. I understand the first punch but when hes still not lookin and the ref isnt lookin and ortizs hands are down its hard to see how anyone could say this was anyone but Floyds fault.

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YAWWWWWWN!!!!! Don't talk rubbish - fight on means fight on - 2 people to blame Ortiz for cheating and Cortez for not having any control. Done!

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First off I will say I think Floyd was winning the fight. How people can say Floyd was dominating the fight i will never know. There was clearly no domination by ethier fighter at any poin tin the fight. Both fighters were displaying awsome defense and both fighters were really just getting warmed up. Also it appeared to me to be classic Floyd and he
was just getting warmed up but at the same time it seemed Ortiz was starting to turn it on. All this being said the KO by Floyd was a bull shit move, wont call it a bitch move cause the head butt. Ive watched the replays 8544 times and the ref never said fight. The ref wasnt even lookin people!!!!!! As Ortiz stepped
back he looked away slightly to his left and bam. The first shot turned his head to the left and he was clearly dazed and almost out on his feet and then Floyd nailed him again. I seen where someone made a post sayin they thought Ortiz was faking lol you dont fake gettin hit like that, Floyd nailed him. The KO was the equvilent of someone checkin
out at the store and gettin blasted outta no where from the side and then sayin oh that was a awsome KO. No thats a weak ass b1tch KO! Sure Ortiz head butted him but Ortiz is aggressive and relentless in his fighting style but at least Floyd was
lookin lol. Holyfield got headbutted and is ear bit off by tyson and still didnt pull nothin like this. Its really hard to say what was goin threw Floyds head when he hit them the second time. I understand the first punch but when hes still not lookin and the ref isnt lookin and ortizs hands are down its hard to see how anyone could say this was anyone but Floyds fault.

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YAWWWWWWN!!!!! Don't talk rubbish - fight on means fight on - 2 people to blame Ortiz for cheating and Cortez for not having any control. Done!

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What Floyd did was a sneaky but legal move. It's just that he did not give Ortiz a chance to be ready to fight. He accepted a hug just to dished out a sucker punch when they have barely separated.
Technically, what Floyd did is not wrong. But if you are looking for a fair fight between two protagonist ready to fight, then you did not get it in that final two punches.

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First off I will say I think Floyd was winning the fight. How people can say Floyd was dominating the fight i will never know. There was clearly no domination by ethier fighter at any poin tin the fight. Both fighters were displaying awsome defense and both fighters were really just getting warmed up. Also it appeare
d to me to be classic Floyd and he
was just getting warmed up but at the same time it seemed Ortiz was starting to turn it on. All this being said the KO by Floyd was a bull shit
move, wont call it a bitch move cause the head butt. Ive watched the replays 8544 times and the ref never said fight. The ref wasnt even lookin people!!!!!! As Ortiz stepped
back he looked away slightly to his left and bam. The first shot turned his head to the left and he was clearly dazed and almost out on his feet and then Floyd nailed him again. I seen where someone made
a post sayin they thought Ortiz was faking lol you dont fake gettin hit like that, Floyd nailed him. The KO was the equvilent of someone checkin
out at the store and gettin blasted outta no where from the side and
then sayin oh that was a awsome KO. No thats a weak ass b1tch KO! Sure Ortiz head butted him but Ortiz is aggressive and relentless in his fighting style but at least Floyd was
lookin lol. Holyfield got headbutted
and is ear bit off by tyson and still didnt pull nothin like this. Its really hard to say what was goin threw Floyds head when he hit them the second time. I understand the first punch but when hes still not lookin and the ref isnt lookin and ortizs hands are down its hard to see how
anyone could say this was anyone but Floyds fault.

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YAWWWWWWN!!!!! Don't talk rubbish - fight on means fight on - 2 people to blame Ortiz for cheating and Cortez for not having any control. Done!

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What Floyd did was a sneaky but
legal move. It's just that he did not give Ortiz a chance to be ready to fight. He accepted a hug just to dished out a sucker punch when they have barely separated.
Technically, what Floyd did is not wrong. But if you are looking for a fair fight between two protagonist ready to fight, then you did not get it
in that final two punches.

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Mmmmm debatable - there's a good second and a half (long time in boxing) after the YET ANOTHER pointless 'hug' where they're good to go! I wanted a good fight as a neutral but Ortiz got what he deserved!....his last headbutt could've finished the fight also. Cortez should be the one being questioned!

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First off I will say I think Floyd was winning the fight. How people can say Floyd was dominating the fight i will never know. There was clearly no domination by ethier fighter at any poin tin the fight. Both fighters were displaying awsome defense and both fighters were really just getting warmed up. Also it appeare
d to me to be classic Floyd and he
was just getting warmed up but at the same time it seemed Ortiz was starting to turn it on. All this being said the KO by Floyd was a bull shit
move, wont call it a bitch move cause the head butt. Ive watched the replays 8544 times and the ref never said fight. The ref wasnt even lookin people!!!!!! As Ortiz stepped
back he looked away slightly to his left and bam. The first shot turned his head to the left and he was clearly dazed and almost out on his feet and then Floyd nailed him again. I seen where someone made
a post sayin they thought Ortiz was faking lol you dont fake gettin hit like that, Floyd nailed him. The KO was the equvilent of someone checkin
out at the store and gettin blasted outta no where from the side and
then sayin oh that was a awsome KO. No thats a weak ass b1tch KO! Sure Ortiz head butted him but Ortiz is aggressive and relentless in his fighting style but at least Floyd was
lookin lol. Holyfield got headbutted
and is ear bit off by tyson and still didnt pull nothin like this. Its really hard to say what was goin threw Floyds head when he hit them the second time. I understand the first punch but when hes still not lookin and the ref isnt lookin and ortizs hands are down its hard to see how
anyone could say this was anyone but Floyds fault.

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YAWWWWWWN!!!!! Don't talk rubbish - fight on means fight on - 2 people to blame Ortiz for cheating and Cortez for not having any control. Done!

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What Floyd did was a sneaky but
legal move. It's just that he did not give Ortiz a chance to be ready to fight. He accepted a hug just to dished out a sucker punch when they have barely separated.
Technically, what Floyd did is not wrong. But if you are looking for a fair fight between two protagonist ready to fight, then you did not get it
in that final two punches.

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Mmmmm debatable - there's a good second and a half (long time in boxing) after the YET ANOTHER pointless 'hug' where they're good to go! I wanted a good fight as a neutral but Ortiz got what he deserved!....his last headbutt could've finished the fight also. Cortez should be the one being questioned!

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Let's say that while they are separating after that hug, it's Ortiz who sucker punched Mayweather and hit him again so that Floyd can not get up from the count. Would that have been acceptable to you? It isn't acceptable to me for any of them throwing such punch at that point.

Floyd has been calling himself the best. That's no way for the best fighter on the planet to win. He did it to a heavy underdog. Mayweather won the fight legally but should he be proud of the way that he won that fight?

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First off I will say I think Floyd was winning the fight. How people can say Floyd was dominating the fight i will never know. There was clearly no domination by ethier fighter at any poin tin the fight. Both fighters
were displaying awsome defense and both fighters were really just getting warmed up. Also it appeare
d to me to be classic Floyd and he
was just getting warmed up but at the same time it seemed Ortiz was starting to turn it on. All this being said the KO by Floyd was a bull shit
move, wont call it a bitch move cause the head butt. Ive watched the replays 8544 times and the ref never said fight. The ref wasnt even lookin people!!!!!! As Ortiz stepped
back he looked away slightly to his left and bam. The first shot turned his head to the left and he was clearly dazed and almost out on his
feet and then Floyd nailed him again. I seen where someone made
a post sayin they thought Ortiz was faking lol you dont fake gettin hit like that, Floyd nailed him. The KO was
the equvilent of someone checkin
out at the store and gettin blasted outta no where from the side and
then sayin oh that was a awsome KO. No thats a weak ass b1tch KO! Sure Ortiz head butted him but Ortiz
is aggressive and relentless in his fighting style but at least Floyd was
lookin lol. Holyfield got headbutted
and is ear bit off by tyson and still didnt pull nothin like this. Its really hard to say what was goin threw Floyds head when he hit them the
second time. I understand the first punch but when hes still not lookin and the ref isnt lookin and ortizs hands are down its hard to see how
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YAWWWWWWN!!!!! Don't talk rubbish - fight on means fight on - 2 people to blame Ortiz for cheating and Cortez for not having any control. Done!

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What Floyd did was a sneaky but
legal move. It's just that he did not
give Ortiz a chance to be ready to fight. He accepted a hug just to dished out a sucker punch when they have barely separated.
Technically, what Floyd did is not wrong. But if you are looking for a fair fight between two protagonist ready to fight, then you did not get it
in that final two punches.

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Mmmmm debatable - there's a good second and a half (long time in boxing) after the YET ANOTHER pointless 'hug' where they're good to go! I wanted a good fight as a
neutral but Ortiz got what he deserved!....his last headbutt could've finished the fight also. Cortez should be the one being questioned!

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Let's say that while they are separating after that hug, it's Ortiz
who sucker punched Mayweather and hit him again so that Floyd can not get up from the count. Would that have been acceptable to you? It isn't acceptable to me for any of them throwing such punch at that point.

Floyd has been calling himself the best. That's no way for the best fighter on the planet to win. He did it to a heavy underdog. Mayweather won the fight legally but should he be proud of the way that he won that fight?

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Ok you make a valid point - I guess the main issue I have is that I think Cortez should be held accountable for not protecting fighter - which is a refs number one remit! I don't think its an issue whether the fighter was underdog or not..... As much as I can't stand FMJ the man - I still can't
really blame him for what he did after all the illegal headbutts.

I cant believe people blame Ortiz for that, it dont make sense. Every person in this world is accountable for there own actions! I understand what Ortiz did is wrong but Floyd being Floyd he shouldnt have done that. He should have kept his composure and acted liket he champ he is. And would I think like this if it was Ortiz that sucker punched Floyd? Hell yeah I would. Its a hollow victory now. The fight was just getting started and no one will ever now how it COULD have ended. Now no one knows if Floyd did that cause he was uncomfortable in the fight and wanted it to end, was just pissed, or scaired to lose or whatever. From the outside looking in it looked like a cheap way out. I know Floyd isnt scared of Ortiz but he may be scared to lose that undefeated record. I know he was pretty much in control of the fight but what Ortiz was doing had nothin to do with what he did. Really Floyd took a chance at being disqualified. He was ethier pissed and just wanted to KO ortiz or wanted a way out. Those seem like the only two things thst coulda been goin threw his head. No ones fault but Floyds people. So if I sucker punch my nieghbor its his fault cause his dog pissed in my yard a few times? No its on me bro. Floyd is the seasoned vet in this fight and he knows exactly what is going on in his fights more so than anyone else. Floyds never done it before why now? Im sure hes been head butted a few times. He shouldnt have did that ya'll bottom line. He still had a good performance other than that. Still looked like Floyd. I just dont understand how people blame the ref or Ortiz for Floyds action. This is basic life stuff I was taught growing up. I am responsible for my own actions and I have to face the conseguences of my actions.

I really see it as almost entirely Ortiz's fault. He basically had lost the plot by the time he threw that headbutt, I feel it was just a matter of time before he found his own way out given those antics. He headbutts Floyd blatantly, like cartoon style, then goes way out of his way trying to hug and make up, rather than just touch gloves once as is the norm(and which they did, before Ortiz goes in for another hug:rolleyes:). I feel it was a punk move by Mayweather, but completely legal and somewhat understandable given the nature of the butt. It sucks that we didn't get to see a good fight, but I really doubt Ortiz would have given us much more entertainment regardless. If this had been two lessser name fighters on an undercard I imagine people would just say "oh yeah that was badass".

I've made it pretty well known here that I don't like Floyd Mayweather. Don't like his attitude in and out of the ring... personally thinks he's done his share of ducking, while taking care of his precious "0"... and has been in some downright BORING fights.

But here's where I distance myself from being just a Floyd-hater. Last night was nobody's fault but Victor "WTF Were You Thinking" Ortiz himself.

First, he launches himself like a missile at Floyd's chin. Probably the most obvious headbutt I've ever seen. THEN... not content with kissing and hugging Floyd the first time... he goes to do it a SECOND time. AFTER Joe Cortes had given the "go-ahead" to continue fighting. Floyd, obviously still pissed about the headbutt, connects with a good left hook.... but not quite a knockout punch. So Victor "Rocket Scientist" Ortiz, with HIS HANDS STILL DOWN, looks over at Cortes as if to whine: "Floyd hit me." So Mayweather does the only thing he CAN do. He hits him with a right and knocks him out.

Conclusions:
1. Victor came off like the village idiot. Hey kid.... save the "I love you man" shit for Bud Light commercials. You're in a boxing match, not "Blind Date".

2. Why all the hate for Cortes (as usual)? He promptly took a well-deserved point off Ortiz... then motioned them to continue fighting. How was HE to know Ortiz still wanted some "kissie-poo" from Floyd? Cortes was just as taken by surprise as the rest of us.

3. Did Floyd deprive us fans from a good fight? Sure. But it was hardly his fault. He's a fighter and he's being paid to try to win. He saw an opening... he took it. It wasn't the most sportsman-like thing to do, but remember... he had just gotten the mother of all headbutts. No amount of smooching from Ortiz was going to fix his broken lip.


And while I'm at it.... what about the Merchant incident? What a riot !! That was almost as good as the fight itself. Again... I'm not applauding what Mayweather did. But it's painfully obvious the guy is carrying a giant chip on his shoulder when it comes to the press and their criticism of him. So when Merchant put him in a corner, Floyd lashed out. Was it right? Probably not. But it's probably not that difficult to go off at old Larry. He's (Larry) probably saying to himself, "Hell... I don't need this shit. I could be sitting in a bar somewhere downing scotch-and-sodas."

Finally, it's too bad the fight ended like this. But I put the blame squarely on Ortiz's very childish and immature shoulders.

I like Floyd and I love the way he fights, I like Ortiz and love the way he fights too. I just dont see why ethier fighter did what they did really. It ruined what was a good fight totally. Honestly I think Floyd is more to blame. Each fighter is responsible for their own actions. Its Floyds own fault he decided to end the fight like that.

And Ortiz hits Floyd with a headbutt that cuts his lip so Floyd hits him twice and knocks him out and thats fair? Come on people are you for real? The left hook was twice as bad as the headbutt in itself.

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And Ortiz hits Floyd with a headbutt that cuts his lip so Floyd hits him twice and knocks him out and thats fair? Come on people are you for real? The left hook was twice as bad as the headbutt in itself.

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The headbutt is a blatant and intentional foul. The left hook was delivered after Cortes had instructed both fighters to continue. End of.

Take the two seperate incidents, the headbutt and the two punches. Ortiz got a decent little head butt in, cut Floyds lip, nothin serious the fight goes on. On the other hand Floyd got TWO free POWER SHOTS in right on the chin off ortiz when Ortiz or the ref wasnt even ready. Someone says thats fair? Im sure anyone would rather be in Flyds shoes. I would take a headbutt all day rather than even the first left hook. And at that point in the fight it could have went ethier way, nethier fighter even landed a real good clean shot. Defense by both fighters was tight.

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Take the two seperate incidents, the headbutt and the two punches. Ortiz got a decent little head butt in, cut Floyds lip, nothin serious the fight goes on. On the other hand Floyd got TWO free POWER SHOTS in right on the chin off ortiz when Ortiz or the ref wasnt even ready. Someone says thats fair? Im sure anyone would rather be in Flyds shoes. I would take a headbutt all day rather than even the first left hook. And at that point in the fight it could have went ethier way, nethier fighter even landed a real good clean shot. Defense by both fighters was tight.

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"Decent little head butt"? Ortiz launched himself into Floyd's chin, for crying out loud. It was decent enough to cut Floyd's lip. As for Ortiz or the ref not being ready... how was the ref not ready? He had instructed the fighters to fight. What was he supposed to do? Draw Ortiz a picture? And Ortiz not being ready was his own damn fault. He had already hugged and kissed Floyd once before. Why do it again? And when he got his with the left hook... why the hell didn't he react instead of looking dumbfounded at the ref? Was he expecting Floyd to be given a timeout? And what was Ortiz's reaction after the fight all about? He was all smiles and saying it was fun. WTF?

I can blame Ortiz. Ortiz is a dumb for wanting to love from a punk ass like Floyd in the first place. When I look at Ortiz, now I just shake my head, what the hell were you thinking.

Look at ortiz eyes he was dazed and almost out on his feet. I see where you all are comin from for sure, no lie there. But I think we didnt get to see who the better fighter was and they need to fight again, fight after the Floyd vs Pac.

Honestly it breaks my heart to see any fighter go out like that.

Floyd is a chump, cheap shot win. Ref never said "fight". He may have said "lets go" to Ortiz after walking him to the corner but never re-started the fight.

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Wrong wrong wrong and wrong again. Floyd was in the neutral corner after the Butt, Ortiz got walked around the ring by Cortez getting his deduction then brought to the neutral corner told not to do it again. Cortez walks to the center of the ring and clear as a bell says LETS GO! and clasps his hands together motioning both fighters to come forward and fight. Cortez gave an audible and visual signal to both fighters to restart. If you look at the replays of the supposed hug Floyd invited, you'll notice Floyd walking while raising his hands to his fighting posture and after Ortiz hugs him Floyd was in full fight stance and clocked Ortiz as he stepped back.. Floyd had every right too

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Wrong wrong wrong and wrong again. Floyd was in the neutral corner after the Butt, Ortiz got walked around the ring by Cortez getting his deduction then brought to the neutral corner told not to do it again. Cortez walks to the center of the ring and clear as a bell says LETS GO! and clasps his hands together motioning both fighters to come forward and fight. Cortez gave an audible and visual signal to both fighters to restart. If you look at the replays of the supposed hug Floyd invited, you'll notice Floyd walking while raising his hands to his fighting posture and after Ortiz hugs him Floyd was in full fight stance and clocked Ortiz as he stepped back.. Floyd had every right too

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I don't pity Ortiz, he got what he deserved. I pity those people who paid to watch this fight. The got suckered.

Floyd is just a better fighter than most both legal and dirty. Ortiz spent most the night running (which when floyd does people cry) and headbutting not just the last one but throughout the fight. Pretty funny especially since it was vic's team whining before hand about elbows and what not. Not sure how long mayweather was supposed to wait before the fight started. Should he have put vic's hands up for him ? Hugged him just one more time, tounged ortiz down to make sure he was really sorry ? It's pretty funny how bad people want this guy to loose. It's funny what's cheating and what isn't in this sport. Ortiz throws one of the most obvious butts i've seen in boxing and there are complaints about what floyd did legally ? Margo loads his gloves and gets a title shot out of it, saul a on the same telecast sits and does nothing for pretty much his whole fight then they stop it when he hits gomez twice. Lot of shady shit going on while the one guy that hasn't got caught cheating catches shit. Amazing.

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Floyd is just a better fighter than most both legal and dirty. Ortiz spent most the night running (which when floyd does people cry) and headbutting not just the last one but throughout the fight. Pretty funny especially since it was vic's team whining before hand about elbows and what not. Not sure how long mayweather was supposed to wait before the fight started. Should he have put vic's hands up for him ? Hugged him just one more time, tounged ortiz down to make sure he was really sorry ? It's pretty funny how bad people want this guy to loose. It's funny what's cheating and what isn't in this sport. Ortiz throws one of the most obvious butts i've seen in boxing and there are complaints about what floyd did legally ? Margo loads his gloves and gets a title shot out of it, saul a on the same telecast sits and does nothing for pretty much his whole fight then they stop it when he hits gomez twice. Lot of shady shit going on while the one guy that hasn't got caught cheating catches shit. Amazing.

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Like what I have said numerous times, Ortiz cheated and deserved what he got. But is Floyd satisfied with how he won the fight given that he's against a heavy underdog? If he is, then he does not need to explain himself. But people can not be faulted for thinking otherwise.

Yeah he got what he deserved for the headbutt, a point taken away. I would let someone headbutt me and in exchange get two free power punches to their chin in any fight i will ever be in again. But nevertheless we didnt get to see who the better fighter is. This wasnt a street fight hence Ortiz getting a point taken away for a headbutt. The ring is no place for a sucker punch.

So what did Ortiz get for that heabutt? A point taken away, a left hook to the chin, a straight right to the chin. All in exchange for one heabutt? Ok yeah i see thas a fair exchange.

Didnt mean to sound like a dick in my last post but do you guys and/or girls see the arguement for the Ortiz side here? You at leaste have to admit we didnt get to see who the better fighter is. Theres 12 rounds for a reason.

Vicdtor Ortiz acted badly with the head butt and then stupidly by not protecting himself.

Floyd was not classy and vicious. But the fault, in my view, lies 100% with ortiz.

Ortiz definitely did not show that he is even equal to Mayweather, both mentally and physically. Otherwise, he would not even have resorted to that illegal headbutt, would he?

The headbutt arose from frustration on his part, and that's because he knows that he is not winning. And he is already frustrated that early in the fight! Sorry but he had his chance.

Ortiz wasnt frustrated by the way the fight was going he was pissed cause Floyd smiled at him.

If i was in a fight with someone and they smiled at me I would headbutt them too honestly. What I wouldnt do is crack a dude who isnt looking with his hands down.

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Ortiz is a professional boxer and he got pissed because the opponent smiled at him??? What is that, a high school brawl?

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If i was in a fight with someone and they smiled at me I would headbutt them too honestly. What I wouldnt do is crack a dude who isnt looking with his hands down.

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As a professional boxer, Ortiz is there to fight that way he was trained to, not to respond to every facial expression the opponent will dish out.