Salido stops Lopez!! Is this it for Juan Ma?

Guess Lopez did not want it bad enough.. lol..(for those of you that remember our old thread) Great, awesome fight. Assessing Juan Manuel Lopez where does he go from here? Is this it for the fighter who people had great potential and was once regarded by some as p4p?.. It's crazy because he's a young fighter but I believe this is it for him.

... another thing after the fight was he suffering from a concussion or is this guy really delusional thinking he was dominating? ... I'm not even going to bring up the stoppage he was way out on his feet.. I wish the ref would of let him go so salido would of shut him up for good

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Originally Posted by outspoken

Guess Lopez did not want it bad enough.. lol..(for those of you that remember our old thread) Great, awesome fight. Assessing Juan Manuel Lopez where does he go from here? Is this it for the fighter who people had great potential and was once regarded by some as p4p?.. It's crazy because he's a young fighter but I believe this is it for him.

... another thing after the fight was he suffering from a concussion or is this guy really delusional thinking he was dominating? ... I'm not even going to bring up the stoppage he was way out on his feet.. I wish the ref would of let him go so salido would of shut him up for good

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ironically enough i was thinking this before the fight even happened, if he couldn't get passed Salido then there's not really much more for him, unless the weight is an issue which I doubt, IMO he's shot himself in the foot, a bit like Hatton really, too much weight gain, no change or improvements, power happy, he might as well call it a day

Yeah, tough to see many good things for him from here on. Obviously Salido is a horrible matchup for him, but I feel that any of his most intruiging potential opponents are just as well suited to beat him up especially after the beating he just took.. What is he going to do, move up with Gamboa and fight him? He may die in the ring, as he wanted to tonight apparently:-\.

Come on now guys this is overboard. Lopez's career isn't over just as Mosley's wasn't over after he lost twice to Forrest or Forrest's career after he lost twice to Mayorga.

Granted this one was a particularly brutal loss and war, but Lopez can still beat some other top guys. Salido just has his number is all.

Juan Manuel Lopez is still a world class talent, just needs to possibly get a new trainer and/or seriously work on his defense.

salido showed that he has a super human chin and i will greater than most men. he took alot of punishment from lopez. lopez not only connected with clean shots, but he also used his elbow, grabbed behind the head and pushed down on the back of salido's head whenever the opportunity presented itself.

how many fighters are gonna have the will and stamina to persevere that kind of aggression, the kind that juanma places on his opponents? not many.

juanma should be able to continue to be successful and grow as a fighter...assuming he hasn't been damaged by these two fights with salido. which is certainly possible. he may be mentally scarred as well as physically damaged by the beating he sustained.

salido took alot, but juanma got battered pretty badly in each fight.

hulk is right when comparing it to mosely v forrest. salido has his number... but there aren't too many fighters that are gonna walk thru juanma's punches the way salido has. twice. haha.

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Originally Posted by Hulk

Come on now guys this is overboard. Lopez's career isn't over just as Mosley's wasn't over after he lost twice to Forrest or Forrest's career after he lost twice to Mayorga.

Granted this one was a particularly brutal loss and war, but Lopez can still beat some other top guys. Salido just has his number is all.

Juan Manuel Lopez is still a world class talent, just needs to possibly get a new trainer and/or seriously work on his defense.

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The difference between Mosley and Forrest's losses were in the rematches they were both close and depending on who you talk to questionable, but neither second fight was a beatdown and Forrest didn't really sustain a beating nor did Mosley aside from the round Forrest dropped him in.


But Lopez has just been stopped twice, one you could say was questionable but in this fight he was battered around the ring, dished out all he could and got knocked out even worse than last time, he took a beating like Mugabi took from Hagler. And even tonight Juanma looked gunshy and his legs went whenever he got hit with a hard punch regardless on whether he recovered fast or not, I didn't like the way his legs shook when he got hit by Salido's left hand early in the fight. It was very Meldrick Taylor post Chavez-like.

That plus Lopez didn't seem to fight with confidence, he had confidence when he dropped Salido, and then when he went out for the 6th and was hit again he went back into his shell. I think mentally Juanma doesn't want to be knocked out again, I think mentally he's ruined. So even if he comes back, he won't be the same fighter, mentally or physically. And when you aren't the same mentally, get out while you still can sustain yourself physically.

But wouldn't Gamboa, Guerrero, Mikey Garcia or Brandon Rios etc down the line?:-\ You don't neccesarily need the kind of will and chin that Salido has to beat Lopez either; Gamboa at this point would have a good chance to get him out of there without being tested in these areas, and you can't downplay the fact that people were hoping for a fight between those two. Obviously Lopez is a good fighter, but with the way he fights I just can't see him being all that relevant much longer, who does he beat at top level?

That is a fair post Majesty, Lopez really didn't look to be on good legs whenever he got tagged even very early in the fight, he also took a far more helacious beating than practically any elite fighter has truly come back from in recent years. For a young fighter with his style it could really go downhill quickly if he keeps going imo. Comparing it to someone like MOsley losing to Forrest is absurd, Mosley was already so much more battletested before that point and was never that badly hurt aside from the headbutt in the first fight.

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That is a fair post Majesty, Lopez really didn't look to be on good legs whenever he got tagged even very early in the fight, he also took a far more helacious beating than practically any elite fighter has truly come back from in recent years. For a young fighter with his style it could really go downhill quickly if he keeps going imo. Comparing it to someone like MOsley losing to Forrest is absurd, Mosley was already so much more battletested before that point and was never that badly hurt aside from the headbutt in the first fight.

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That and Mayorga's knockout of Forrest was a perfect temple shot it wasn't like Forrest took a beating in either fight. Lopez took a beating in both fights and took a terrible beating but in the 2nd fight I think his legs are indefinitely gone and it leads me to believe had the first fight kept going he was on his way to being knocked out.

When Lopez came out for this rematch all focused and everything I was thinking he could possibly take it though I knew Salido would be relentless.

But in that first round when Salido caught him with it was either a left hook or a left uppercut and a jolt went through Lopez's body and his legs went for a second. I knew it was just a matter of time. And he fought that way too, he fought like it was just a matter of time, and he mentally conceded any gameplan by the 8th round and whether he knew it or not, he accepted he was gonna get knocked out again, so he chose to slug with him and go out on his shield. Whether he knows it or not, subconciously Salido broke him. When he hit Salido with his best shot, and Salido came out stronger in the next round, mentally Lopez knew he wasn't gonna win the fight cause that was his only chance and when Salido kept hurting him with the shots he threw after that, Lopez mentally was done, and he just went to slugging till he was knocked out, and he was.

Lopez will never be the same fighter ever again. Mentally or physically, he basically shot what was left of himself to go out on his shield and it happened. If we ever see him fight again he's gonna be gunshy and he may win a few fights but none really of significance. He can't beat the Champion at 122, and he's too small for 130 so he's a man without a weight class right now. Unless he fights the weaker champs at 122 but it won't mean that much. Honestly I don't want to see him fight again, when your body freezes and your legs shake on the first punch of a fight, it's time to leave before you get hurt a lot worse.

Amazing fight! Great passion shown by both guys and you wont see a better fight than that this year.

In the end I think Juanma gave it away with suicidal tactics. He was better off boxing on the backfoot and try and steal a hometown decision in Peurto Rico but instead he came out for round 8 with completely different tactics. Brawled for 2 rounds but completely emptied his tank in the prcoess so at the start of round 10 he had nothing left and folded. He complained but he was totally out of it

Congrats to Salido. Juanma isnt done, still a classy fighter but Salido has is number. Thats boxing. He ca try his style vs someone else but he needs to learn to stick to the gameplan and work on his defence.

When you are out on your feet you dont keep coming forward trading unless you want to get knocked out.

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Amazing fight! Great passion shown by both guys and you wont see a better fight than that this year.

In the end I think Juanma gave it away with suicidal tactics. He was better off boxing on the backfoot and try and steal a hometown decision in Peurto Rico but instead he came out for round 8 with completely different tactics. Brawled for 2 rounds but completely emptied his tank in the prcoess so at the start of round 10 he had nothing left and folded. He complained but he was totally out of it

Congrats to Salido. Juanma isnt done, still a classy fighter but Salido has is number. Thats boxing. He ca try his style vs someone else but he needs to learn to stick to the gameplan and work on his defence.

When you are out on your feet you dont keep coming forward trading unless you want to get knocked out.

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he abandoned it because Salido was walking him down no matter what he did so he went back to fighting, he was mentally gone by the end of the 6th cause Salido had already regained control of the fight despite the knockdown in the round prior. Juanma's gameplan was starting to already not work for him into the 4th round, he caught him in the 5th but it didn't change a thing.

Here is an interesting stat they said.. only 3 jabs were thrown by statistics this fight.

Now Juanma's best punch is his right hook, I would figure he has a strong right hand, so him not even using a jab shows a flaw in ANY gameplan he had to outbox Salido from the get go. He tried to box with Salido, and all he got was walked down till he was gonna be knocked out, he tried to slug with Salido and got knocked out. There really is no way he beats Salido unless he sticks with a jab the entire fight. But Salido has dented him to the point that Juanma is wobbled by nearly every punch Salido lands flush, it would just be a matter of time, like tonight was.

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Originally Posted by outspoken

Guess Lopez did not want it bad enough.. lol..(for those of you that remember our old thread) Great, awesome fight. Assessing Juan Manuel Lopez where does he go from here? Is this it for the fighter who people had great potential and was once regarded by some as p4p?.. It's crazy because he's a young fighter but I believe this is it for him.

... another thing after the fight was he suffering from a concussion or is this guy really delusional thinking he was dominating? ... I'm not even going to bring up the stoppage he was way out on his feet.. I wish the ref would of let him go so salido would of shut him up for good

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ironically enough i was thinking this before the fight even happened, if he couldn't get passed Salido then there's not really much more for him, unless the weight is an issue which I doubt, IMO he's shot himself in the foot, a bit like Hatton really, too much weight gain, no change or improvements, power happy, he might as well call it a day

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In the first fight Lopez took a pretty good shellacking, and he was badly hurt by the 5th round KD and never fully recovered, but he lived to fight another day. This time he totally got his ass kicked, it's hard to imagine him recovering from a beating like that, and competing at championship level again.

I will say this, Lopez showed a ton of heart last night, he's got nothing to be ashamed of, he gave it his all, Salido was just the better man

Great fight and both can be proud of their showing. Great action packed fight. There were no losers.

mosley lost some fights but he didn't take a total beating.

More importantly, Mosley wasn't that damn easy to hit in the fights he was winning.


If anyone doesn't think getting hit in the chin cleanly (which has happened to Lopez alot) by the guys Lopez beat, then they are crazy.

Just because he was bigger than most of them and knew he would be able to withstand the punches but they wouldn't, doesn't mean willingly taking their shots doesn't take something out of a fighter.

Don't look just to the beatings he took against Salido. Look at everyone landing cleanly their best shots on his chin in their fights.

Decent fight but better not be foty cause it'll be a weak year, the last three were good but that's about it, the first seven were just average. Also don't think lopez took that big of a beating honesty, hell ortiz took bigger ones against maidana and berto, don't see nobody saying he's done and should retire. Juanma should work his defense and stamina and hell be able to still mix it up with some, not saying hell be a world beater but if he wants to keep going let him don't think he'd be a walk in the park for anyone...but in summation glad he lost again somewhat of an egotistical dick, specially after the he knocked down salido...

Ortiz had been down against Maidana and Berto, but his legs weren't fucking jelly where it was dangerous for him to be standing.


Mtagwa had Lopez completely out on his feet in the 12th. Salido had him in very bad shape in 2 fights.

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Ortiz had been down against Maidana and Berto, but his legs weren't fucking jelly where it was dangerous for him to be standing.


Mtagwa had Lopez completely out on his feet in the 12th. Salido had him in very bad shape in 2 fights.

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Yeah he was out on his feet but I don't think he's taken any more damage than ortiz has in their respective careers, but maybe his chin/recuperative powers just aren't as good...I didn't think he was in deep shit or anything till the end and that was definitely a good stoppage but I'm just saying I don't think he's permanently damaged or anything, but he is shavin off time of his career with his fighting style and life style

It's probably not "it" for JuanMa, but he's got to do some serious self-analysis and determine what he wants to do with his career. He's got no business being in the same ring with Orlando Salido, and what he needs to do... if he wants to keep on fighting... is learn from his mistakes and be willing to make the necessary adjustments. I had been saying this all along, leading up to the Salido fight. I always said that if JuanMa made the necessary adjustments, even going so far as changing corners (like Cotto did), he had the tools and skills to beat Salido. If he didn't... he wouldn't. And that's how it went down.

JuanMa has no defense, and his punch resistance has to have decreased after the incredible wars he's been through. He's still a formidable offensive force, and has one of the more dangerous short right hooks in the business. But he also seems a bit slower than the JuanMa of the past.

It all depends on what he wants to do. He also needs to make some character adjustments. Blaming the refs for his losses hasn't won him any new fans, and probably has lost him some old ones. As we speak, he's getting raked over the coals for his comments, right here in Puerto Rico. And I wouldn't be surprised if Roberto Ramirez Sr. decided to sue JuanMa for defamation of character.

In any case, JuanMa can still fight at the world class level... but he's got some serious retooling to do.

I think that Juanma can come again he must change his corner but he can still be a great fighter if he learns from his mistakes.
Look at Salido! 11 losses and now he's a world champion fighting the best he ever has, throwing Juanma under the bus is silly and the overreactions of fans to a loss is why the best don't fight the best in boxing.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

It's probably not "it" for JuanMa, but he's got to do some serious self-analysis and determine what he wants to do with his career. He's got no business being in the same ring with Orlando Salido, and what he needs to do... if he wants to keep on fighting... is learn from his mistakes and be willing to make the necessary adjustments. I had been saying this all along, leading up to the Salido fight. I always said that if JuanMa made the necessary adjustments, even going so far as changing corners (like Cotto did), he had the tools and skills to beat Salido. If he didn't... he wouldn't. And that's how it went down.

JuanMa has no defense, and his punch resistance has to have decreased after the incredible wars he's been through. He's still a formidable offensive force, and has one of the more dangerous short right hooks in the business. But he also seems a bit slower than the JuanMa of the past.

It all depends on what he wants to do. He also needs to make some character adjustments. Blaming the refs for his losses hasn't won him any new fans, and probably has lost him some old ones. As we speak, he's getting raked over the coals for his comments, right here in Puerto Rico. And I wouldn't be surprised if Roberto Ramirez Sr. decided to sue JuanMa for defamation of character.

In any case, JuanMa can still fight at the world class level... but he's got some serious retooling to do.

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What are they saying about him and his comments?

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Come on now guys this is overboard. Lopez's career isn't over just as Mosley's wasn't over after he lost twice to Forrest or Forrest's career after he lost twice to Mayorga.

Granted this one was a particularly brutal loss and war, but Lopez can still beat some other top guys. Salido just has his number is all.

Juan Manuel Lopez is still a world class talent, just needs to possibly get a new trainer and/or seriously work on his defense.

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The difference between Mosley and Forrest's losses were in the rematches they were both close and depending on who you talk to questionable, but neither second fight was a beatdown and Forrest didn't really sustain a beating nor did Mosley aside from the round Forrest dropped him in.


But Lopez has just been stopped twice, one you could say was questionable but in this fight he was battered around the ring, dished out all he could and got knocked out even worse than last time, he took a beating like Mugabi took from Hagler. And even tonight Juanma looked gunshy and his legs went whenever he got hit with a hard punch regardless on whether he recovered fast or not, I didn't like the way his legs shook when he got hit by Salido's left hand early in the fight. It was very Meldrick Taylor post Chavez-like.

That plus Lopez didn't seem to fight with confidence, he had confidence when he dropped Salido, and then when he went out for the 6th and was hit again he went back into his shell. I think mentally Juanma doesn't want to be knocked out again, I think mentally he's ruined. So even if he comes back, he won't be the same fighter, mentally or physically. And when you aren't the same mentally, get out while you still can sustain yourself physically.

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I disagree Barrera came back after Junior Jones, Morales after being twice stopped by Pac Man.

It can be done.

Didn't see Lopez behaving nearly as gun shy as Roy Jones did after his KO loss to tarver. Lopez was intimidated by Salido sure, but nothing to that degree.

Time will tell.

But to hastily say Lopez's career is over because of two losses is childish in my opinion.

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It's probably not "it" for JuanMa, but he's got to do some serious self-analysis and determine what he wants to do with his career. He's got no business being in the same ring with Orlando Salido, and what he needs to do... if he wants to keep on fighting... is learn from his mistakes and be willing to make the necessary adjustments. I had been saying this all along, leading up to the Salido fight. I always said that if JuanMa made the necessary adjustments, even going so far as changing corners (like Cotto did), he had the tools and skills to beat Salido. If he didn't... he wouldn't. And that's how it went down.

JuanMa has no defense, and his punch resistance has to have decreased after the incredible wars he's been through. He's still a formidable offensive force, and has one of the more dangerous short right hooks in the business. But he also seems a bit slower than the JuanMa of the past.

It all depends on what he wants to do. He also needs to make some character adjustments. Blaming the refs for his losses hasn't won him any new fans, and probably has lost him some old ones. As we speak, he's getting raked over the coals for his comments, right here in Puerto Rico. And I wouldn't be surprised if Roberto Ramirez Sr. decided to sue JuanMa for defamation of character.

In any case, JuanMa can still fight at the world class level... but he's got some serious retooling to do.

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Most people here are severely critizing JuanMa and his unfortunate comments. Both Roberto Ramirez Sr. and Jr. are highly respected referees here, and to hear JuanMa make those outrageous comments, well.... he's being flogged pretty good. I think it's pretty unanimous that both stoppages were completely warranted, ESPECIALLY the second one. Ramirez Sr. likely saved JuanMa from career-ending or maybe even life-threatening injury by stopping the fight. Gotta admire JuanMa's HUGE heart, and wish to go on in both cases.

I'm still waiting to see if there's any fallout from JuanMa's comments as far as Ramirez is concerned. After the first fight, Ramirez Sr. felt his son was being unjustly criticized, but I think JuanMa's camp later apologized and it went no further. But claiming that both father and son have some sort of betting issue may have gone a bit too far, even if JuanMa was still woozy from the beating he took. We'll just have to see.

Just watched the fight - Great fight, first of all.

I noticed a few things about JuanMa and here they are in no particular order :

*He has Amir Khan syndrome. He could have made this fight a lot more comfortable for himself but he fought Salido's fight. Salido is a machine and kept coming forward no doubt, not taking anything away from him but even when Juanma had him backing up, he was pouring into Salido's range with zero defence throwing bombs...that's Salido's game.

*JuanMa's punch technique reminds me of Ricky Hatton. Both not as powerful as we were made to believe. Both fighters body shots and hooks are ok (Juanma's hook much better than Hattons) but their straight right is more of a "chopping" right hand that lands with the inside of the glove and downwards. I think if JuanMa could learn to throw that straight right and turn his glove over, he could have kept Salido at range better with the 1-2. That's where the fight needed to be for JuanMa

*He's stupid for contesting the stoppage. Most refs would have stopped it as soon as he done the silly dance towards them but he gave him an oppurtunity to recover up to an 8-9 count. JuanMa was done.

*I think JuanMa could carry on fighting at a high level IF and ONLY IF they carefully match him up with somebody who isn't going to take his shots all night and keep coming forward like a bulldozer. Otherwise he is just too macho and will get knocked out time and time again by fighters like Salido.

*It also seems like he has stamina issues. That seemed like part of the reason that the knockdown occured. Salido was much fresher than Lopez was by the end of that fight.

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Originally Posted by Althugz

Just watched the fight - Great fight, first of all.

I noticed a few things about JuanMa and here they are in no particular order :

*He has Amir Khan syndrome. He could have made this fight a lot more comfortable for himself but he fought Salido's fight. Salido is a machine and kept coming forward no doubt, not taking anything away from him but even when Juanma had him backing up, he was pouring into Salido's range with zero defence throwing bombs...that's Salido's game.

*JuanMa's punch technique reminds me of Ricky Hatton. Both not as powerful as we were made to believe. Both fighters body shots and hooks are ok (Juanma's hook much better than Hattons) but their straight right is more of a "chopping" right hand that lands with the inside of the glove and downwards. I think if JuanMa could learn to throw that straight right and turn his glove over, he could have kept Salido at range better with the 1-2. That's where the fight needed to be for JuanMa

*He's stupid for contesting the stoppage. Most refs would have stopped it as soon as he done the silly dance towards them but he gave him an oppurtunity to recover up to an 8-9 count. JuanMa was done.

*I think JuanMa could carry on fighting at a high level IF and ONLY IF they carefully match him up with somebody who isn't going to take his shots all night and keep coming forward like a bulldozer. Otherwise he is just too macho and will get knocked out time and time again by fighters like Salido.

*It also seems like he has stamina issues. That seemed like part of the reason that the knockdown occured. Salido was much fresher than Lopez was by the end of that fight.

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Great points. The fight reminded me of margo - cotto 1 for some reason, not just because of the puerto rico mexico rivalry, also the way the fight panned out with JML not getting the better out of a pressure fighter who has a solid chin. He was being bulldozed but still had a ton of heart, though him contesting it was a premature stoppage seems a bit absurd seeing how his legs were jelly way after the count was made. Tremendous fight all the way and early foty candidate.

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Great points. The fight reminded me of margo - cotto 1 for some reason, not just because of the puerto rico mexico rivalry, also the way the fight panned out with JML not getting the better out of a pressure fighter who has a solid chin. He was being bulldozed but still had a ton of heart, though him contesting it was a premature stoppage seems a bit absurd seeing how his legs were jelly way after the count was made. Tremendous fight all the way and early foty candidate.

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Eh. Cotto/Marg 1 was a great fight because Cotto actually controlled the first half of the fight and then things turned. Very dramatic. This fight, while exciting, is not at all a FOY candidate because, apart from 30 seconds at the end of the 5th round, there was no part of the fight that Juanma won. The drama in this fight was really about how long Juanma could stay on his feet before getting KO'd -- not who would win (judges' absolutely outrageous cards notwithstanding). Cotto is leagues better than Juanma.

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salido showed that he has a super human chin and i will greater than most men. he took alot of punishment from lopez. lopez not only connected with clean shots, but he also used his elbow, grabbed behind the head and pushed down on the back of salido's head whenever the opportunity presented itself.

how many fighters are gonna have the will and stamina to persevere that kind of aggression, the kind that juanma places on his opponents? not many.

juanma should be able to continue to be successful and grow as a fighter...assuming he hasn't been damaged by these two fights with salido. which is certainly possible. he may be mentally scarred as well as physically damaged by the beating he sustained.

salido took alot, but juanma got battered pretty badly in each fight.

hulk is right when comparing it to mosely v forrest. salido has his number... but there aren't too many fighters that are gonna walk thru juanma's punches the way salido has. twice. haha.

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Actually Salido's chin isn't that great, he was floored twice by Gamboa, Haya, fair play Gamboa is explosive and can punch but i'd never heard of Haya in all honesty. And checking his record his power is nothing special yet he decked Salido twice.

But he did go 12 rounds with JMM without being put on the deck, which mean's obviously his chin can't be that bad. But i have seen him hurt and shook up quite a few times, and wouldn't say he has the chin you think he does.

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Great points. The fight reminded me of margo - cotto 1 for some reason, not just because of the puerto rico mexico rivalry, also the way the fight panned out with JML not getting the better out of a pressure fighter who has a solid chin. He was being bulldozed but still had a ton of heart, though him contesting it was a premature stoppage seems a bit absurd seeing how his legs were jelly way after the count was made. Tremendous fight all the way and early foty candidate.

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Eh. Cotto/Marg 1 was a great fight because Cotto actually controlled the first half of the fight and then things turned. Very dramatic. This fight, while exciting, is not at all a FOY candidate because, apart from 30 seconds at the end of the 5th round, there was no part of the fight that Juanma won. The drama in this fight was really about how long Juanma could stay on his feet before getting KO'd -- not who would win (judges' absolutely outrageous cards notwithstanding). Cotto is leagues better than Juanma.

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Yeah, should have said it SORT of reminded me of cotto marg fight. Cotto is def leagues better in boxing abilities than JML, but round 9 was a barnburner. More of a comparison based on that round alone than the entire fight, with Salido still being the fresher of the two after taking heavy punishment that late in the fight. Like you said, it was exciting and with Juanma's ability to turn the fight around with one punch, it was a fun fight while it lasted. I still think this is not the end of the road for JML in terms of fighting with ranked fighters. He's still relatively young and hopefully didn't get shopworn after yesterday's fight. Just stay away from Salido and pressure fighters who could take his shots and still come banging.

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Decent fight but better not be foty cause it'll be a weak year, the last three were good but that's about it, the first seven were just average. Also don't think lopez took that big of a beating honesty, hell ortiz took bigger ones against maidana and berto, don't see nobody saying he's done and should retire. Juanma should work his defense and stamina and hell be able to still mix it up with some, not saying hell be a world beater but if he wants to keep going let him don't think he'd be a walk in the park for anyone...but in summation glad he lost again somewhat of an egotistical dick, specially after the he knocked down salido...

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Ik but when Ortiz lost to maidana he had a cut over his eye which he realized couldn't see out off and did the right move and as for Berto? He was an undefeated champ so being knocked down by him and winning isn't emberrasing at all as for losing to Salido, while undefeated and he's had as many losses as he's had. There is no comparison.

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Decent fight but better not be foty cause it'll be a weak year, the last three were good but that's about it, the first seven were just average. Also don't think lopez took that big of a beating honesty, hell ortiz took bigger ones against maidana and berto, don't see nobody saying he's done and should retire. Juanma should work his defense and stamina and hell be able to still mix it up with some, not saying hell be a world beater but if he wants to keep going let him don't think he'd be a walk in the park for anyone...but in summation glad he lost again somewhat of an egotistical dick, specially after the he knocked down salido...

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Ik but when Ortiz lost to maidana he had a cut over his eye which he realized couldn't see out off and did the right move and as for Berto? He was an undefeated champ so being knocked down by him and winning isn't emberrasing at all as for losing to Salido, while undefeated and he's had as many losses as he's had. There is no comparison.

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I'm not talkin about being being cut or knocked down, and he did do the right thing by calling it quits against maidana, but it wasn't just a cut he took a beating

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Decent fight but better not be foty cause it'll be a weak year, the last three were good but that's about it, the first seven were just average. Also don't think lopez took that big of a beating honesty, hell ortiz took bigger ones against maidana and berto, don't see nobody saying he's done and should retire. Juanma should work his defense and stamina and hell be able to still mix it up with some, not saying hell be a world beater but if he wants to keep going let him don't think he'd be a walk in the park for anyone...but in summation glad he lost again somewhat of an egotistical dick, specially after the he knocked down salido...

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Ik but when Ortiz lost to maidana he had a cut over his eye which he realized couldn't see out off and did the right move and as for Berto? He was an undefeated champ so being knocked down by him and winning isn't emberrasing at all as for losing to Salido, while undefeated and he's had as many losses as he's had. There is no comparison.

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I'm not talkin about being being cut or knocked down, and he did do the right thing by calling it quits against maidana, but it wasn't just a cut he took a beating

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But maidana was a top division fighter, not somebody people expect you to beat. Juanma isn't done if he fight other names then maybe avenges the losses soon. But other then that I don't see much coming from him.

Salido is a much better pound for pound fighter than Maidana imo, and while Ortiz certainly has better tools than Lopez he isn't nearly as tough so there's not much of a benchmark to use there. I think Maidana has been flattered by having fought two high profile guys with a lot of talent but no chin(Khan) or will to win(Ortiz). You can't tell me he's more dangerous than Salido after he lost to Devon Alexander in that fashion, any good fighter who can actually think for 12 rounds will beat him from here on I suspect.

Lopez has to get new trainers for a start! In between some rounds they remained silent and clueless.

Lopez learned absolutely nothing from his first beating from the underrated Salido. Just thought he could walk through him this time but got exactly the same beating this time.

Forget Lopez though, this fight was all about Salido. He fought like a total warrior with a phenomonal game plan. A lot of angles as he came in on Lopez. Barring his knockdown it was a flawless display.

What score did you lot have it?

I had it 88-83 – or 7 rounds to Salido and 2 to JM lopez

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by GAME

Amazing fight! Great passion shown by both guys and you wont see a better fight than that this year.

In the end I think Juanma gave it away with suicidal tactics. He was better off boxing on the backfoot and try and steal a hometown decision in Peurto Rico but instead he came out for round 8 with completely different tactics. Brawled for 2 rounds but completely emptied his tank in the prcoess so at the start of round 10 he had nothing left and folded. He complained but he was totally out of it

Congrats to Salido. Juanma isnt done, still a classy fighter but Salido has is number. Thats boxing. He ca try his style vs someone else but he needs to learn to stick to the gameplan and work on his defence.

When you are out on your feet you dont keep coming forward trading unless you want to get knocked out.

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he abandoned it because Salido was walking him down no matter what he did so he went back to fighting, he was mentally gone by the end of the 6th cause Salido had already regained control of the fight despite the knockdown in the round prior. Juanma's gameplan was starting to already not work for him into the 4th round, he caught him in the 5th but it didn't change a thing.

Here is an interesting stat they said.. only 3 jabs were thrown by statistics this fight.

Now Juanma's best punch is his right hook, I would figure he has a strong right hand, so him not even using a jab shows a flaw in ANY gameplan he had to outbox Salido from the get go. He tried to box with Salido, and all he got was walked down till he was gonna be knocked out, he tried to slug with Salido and got knocked out. There really is no way he beats Salido unless he sticks with a jab the entire fight. But Salido has dented him to the point that Juanma is wobbled by nearly every punch Salido lands flush, it would just be a matter of time, like tonight was.

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Juanma was ahead when trhe fight was stopped so if he just ran instead of trading for those two rounds he could have survived for 12 rounds and be given a dodgy hometown verdict. Thats the only way he beats Salido.

If theres a 3rd fight it has to be in Mexico. They were gonna rob Salido but he took it out their hands.

I think Salido caused Juan Ma so many problems because of his style. Salido's method of primarily coming in head low and attacking with hooks, gave Juan Ma a limited amount of target to hit. Juan Ma was struggling to hit Salido clean throughout much of the fight. Meanwhile, Juan Ma stood up more straight and was an easier target for many of Salido's hooks. Someone in Juan Ma's corner should have given him some kind of tips on how to adjust, but I'm not sure if that ever happened. I think when Juan Ma finally scored the one knock down, it was because Salido made the mistake of throwing this half hearted jab. But aside from that, Juan Ma didnt have many good opportunities to land hard clean punches. I think Juan Ma's best attempt where he at least tried to do something different was where he fought Salido in close toward the end. But it was too late because he was already tired. Plus Salido is seemingly the more experienced when it comes to infighting.

I wont call salido a hack, but lopez had the skillset to beat him each time, fairly comfortably if he abandoned the macho BS, stuck to a game plan and stepped back and countered Salido on the way in. Like he did for the knockdown (maybe that was by accident). He could have used a lot more of the ring and foot work. He got sucked into the same brawl he got chewed up in last time. He abandons his plans and chooses to brawl with a brawler. You'd think he'd have learned from that the first time. No wonder some trainers are slapping their fighters. At this time, its my opinion that he's done. Not so much because he's been knocked out twice by the same guy. He's wasted his time, not utilized his skill and bought into his own hype. To boot, he's got a classic flaw that other guys will exploit all day. He got suckered into trading when it meant nothing and did it again when everything was on the line. He was favored both times, always had more to lose and couldn't hold it together. He may be a warrior, but he's in the wrong business.

WBO have threatened to ban him for a year for his comments about the ref.

This ain't it for JuanMa he will move up in weight and look to capture a title at SFW.
IMO he was fighting out of his weight. For the record that's not an excuse just something I observed and pointed out prior to the fight.

This reminds me of Herrera-Olivares.

In the sense that you just can't wrap your head around how Salido beats JuanMa.