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Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
No doubt robbed agaınst Spınks by a vengeful Don Kıng----thıs guy never lost, and IMO beat Marciano's record of 49 straıght wıns by beatıng Spınks both tımes on many people's cards. Bad luck to have to follow the "greatest of all tıme"---not only that but havıng to beat up the "greatest of all tıme" as well. Yeah not a very popular guy after that, not to mentıon not very charısmatıc eıther. SECOND ONLY TO THE BROWN BOMBER AS HE DEFENDED HIS TITLE 20 CONSECUTIVE TIMES SUCCESSFULLY. What thanks dıd he get? >He beat the monster Gerry Cooney (Foreman saıd Cooney hıt harder than Frazıer), Shavers twıce ın dramatıc fashıon, Wıtherspoon, Weaver, Wıllıams, Norton and everyone else they put ın front of hım. I rank hım hıgher than Dempsey, Frazıer, Tunney, Holyfıeld, Bowe and Lennox Lewıs. Tıed wıth Alı IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePUXS...feature=relmfu
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
I mean, if your gonna measure the 'greatness of Larry Holmes' by putting it up against 'the greatness of Rocky Marciano' then yeah he is the greatest of all time no question - but if you wanna be serious and open-minded then basically whatever Lyle said.
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
ı dıdnt thınk you would need me to lıst all the thıngs and reasons why Holmes ıs sometımes consıdered the best of all tıme. by narrowly thınkıng ıt ıs because of my mentıon of Marcıano's record you are clearly not consıderıng countless of other reasons. I thınk I am beıng quıte serıous and openmınded when I mentıon hıs 20 defenses and the calıber of hıs opponents. Wıtherspoon and Weaver and Cooney and Shavers were no slouches, nor were Carl Wıllıams for example or Ken Norton back ın 1978, and even LARRY'S lesser opponents lıke Snıpes and Spınks were atleast as good as the tomato cans that the Klıtschkos have been fıghtıng. I wıll not go on as you are not even consıderıng the possıbılıty serıously. I am tryıng to gıve perhaps the greatest of all tıme some props. Vıtalı wouldnt touch a prıme Larry Holmes. NOPE.
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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El Kabong
Nope....next question
2nded
clinching , thumbed Shavers in their rematch which led 2d standing stoppage , fought weak opposition and avoided almost every threat , avoided n immediate Norton rematch after getting a gift against him .
factoid : did u know that Holmes was stopped twice by d 2 years younger than himself Nick Wells in d amateurs ? Holmes wasn't so green then , he was Ali's sparing partner and 2 years older than Wells .
Holmes was also stopped by d 1 year younger than himself Duane Bobick in d amateurs , and later avoided him in d pros and avenged his loss 2 him by beating Duane's younger and lesser brother , Rodney .
D automatic cookie cutter reply 4 this will b : Duane did not deserve a fight , but didn't he ? fighters do tend 2 try 2 avenge amateur losses in d professionals , as Miguel Cotto did against Mohamed Abdulaev , Tim Littles (initially) did against Frankie Liles , Tyson did against Henry Tillman and Joe Frazier did against Buster Mathis and there r more examples 2 it . But Holmes wanted nothing 2 do with Wells nor with Duane Bobick . he did fight d lesser Mike Weaver and Scott LeDoux , so Y was Duane whom reached a 38-0 record at a time and stopped both Weaver and LeDoux as well as stopped Weaver and Holmes himself at d amateurs avoided in d pros ? because Holmes' only assets were his size & dedication. His chin was far from what it is sometimes made 2b and yes , i know d dry listed facts , but unlike u cookie cutters , i also know beyond them so spare d cookie cutting .
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
Nope....next question
2nded
clinching , thumbed Shavers in their rematch which led 2d standing stoppage , fought weak opposition and
avoided almost every threat , avoided n immediate Norton rematch after getting a gift against him .
factoid : did u know that Holmes was stopped twice by d 2 years younger than himself Nick Wells in d amateurs ? Holmes wasn't so green then , he was Ali's sparing partner and 2 years older than Wells .
Holmes was also stopped by d 1 year younger than himself Duane Bobick in d amateurs , and later avoided him in d pros and avenged his loss 2 him by beating Duane's younger and lesser brother , Rodney .
D automatic cookie cutter reply 4 this will b : Duane did not deserve a fight , but didn't he ? fighters do tend 2 try 2 avenge amateur losses in d professionals , as Miguel Cotto did against Mohamed Abdulaev , Tim Littles (initially) did against Frankie Liles , Tyson did against Henry Tillman and Joe Frazier did against Buster Mathis and there r more examples 2 it . But Holmes wanted nothing 2 do with Wells nor with Duane Bobick . he did fight d lesser Mike Weaver and Scott LeDoux , so Y was Duane whom reached a 38-0 record at a time and stopped both Weaver and LeDoux as well as stopped Weaver and Holmes himself at d amateurs avoided in d pros ? because Holmes' only assets were his size & dedication. His chin was far from what it is sometimes made 2b and yes , i know d dry listed facts , but unlike u cookie cutters , i also know beyond them so spare d cookie cutting .
Who?
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Okay 'dedication' is not necessarily a bad thing... You can probably go through the entire history of the heavyweight division and surmise that the reason why the majority of these champions succeed is because they champion the ethic of dedication.
Even fighters like Joe Louis, who was far more technically advanced than most of his opponents, came into the ring in better condition and better prepared to fight.
It's just a case of how dedicated a fighter can remain.
I mean to be honest I have Holmes as 3rd on my list (always have) but never the greatest.
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
Not the greatest, but a great champion in his day. Gotta love that jab
a true gift from the heavens:cool:
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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brocktonblockbust
No doubt robbed agaınst Spınks by a vengeful Don Kıng----thıs guy never lost, and IMO beat Marciano's record of 49 straıght wıns by beatıng Spınks both tımes on many people's cards. Bad luck to have to follow the "greatest of all tıme"---not only that but havıng to beat up the "greatest of all tıme" as well. Yeah not a very popular guy after that, not to mentıon not very charısmatıc eıther. SECOND ONLY TO THE BROWN BOMBER AS HE DEFENDED HIS TITLE 20 CONSECUTIVE TIMES SUCCESSFULLY. What thanks dıd he get? >He beat the monster Gerry Cooney (Foreman saıd Cooney hıt harder than Frazıer), Shavers twıce ın dramatıc fashıon, Wıtherspoon, Weaver, Wıllıams, Norton and everyone else they put ın front of hım. I rank hım hıgher than Dempsey, Frazıer, Tunney, Holyfıeld, Bowe and Lennox Lewıs. Tıed wıth Alı IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePUXSAzpHhU&feature=relmfu
Brock I would say second best,he was very underrated he had a very good educated thumb.;D
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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BIG H
Who?
Norton rematch , Coetzee , Duane Bobick & Nick Wells (4 him apparently ;D) .
Thumbing Shavers was also a way of avoiding fair fight .
Also no Pinklon Thomas , Michael Dokes & Tony Tubbs , and no rematches vs Carl Williams & Tim Witherspoon whom definitely deserved them .
Lots of bums though .
D thing is , Holmes got easy and good money 4 his defenses vs bums , so it's hard 2 blame him 4 it but it does blemish his record .
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
He never fought Ron Lyle either which IMO would have been a decent fight although Lyle did age quite quickly around 1980....perhaps had he won the Cooney fight he would have garnered a shot
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
size isn't a bad thing either .
i only stated his strengths 2 precede and hopefully prevent any overrating of other attributes which i don't find him exceptionally good at .
U can't exempt him from fighting Nick Wells & Duane Bobick when u know that he fought d lesser LeDoux , Rodney Bobick & Mike Weaver and yet even worse opponents than these even .
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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El Kabong
He never fought Ron Lyle either which IMO would have been a decent fight although Lyle did age quite quickly around 1980....perhaps had he won the Cooney fight he would have garnered a shot
which is Y i never felt that he avoided Lyle or anything . Lyle just was not relevant by Holmes'/Cooney's time .
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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frankenfrank
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Originally Posted by
BIG H
Who?
Norton rematch , Coetzee , Duane Bobick & Nick Wells (4 him apparently ;D) .
Thumbing Shavers was also a way of avoiding fair fight .
Also no Pinklon Thomas , Michael Dokes & Tony Tubbs , and no rematches vs Carl Williams & Tim Witherspoon whom definitely deserved them .
Lots of bums though .
D thing is , Holmes got easy and good money 4 his defenses vs bums , so it's hard 2 blame him 4 it but it does blemish his record .
Are you kidding me ? Larry Holmes whooped Earnie Shavers twice, apart from that lucky shot in the 7th round of there rematch, Earnie Shavers was dominated in both fights.
Ken Norton didn't get a rematch because he got KO'ed in 1 round by Earnie Shavers, hence why Earnie Shavers got his shot.
Tony Tubbs only started to become a name in 1985 when Larry Holmes was finished, so how did he duck him exactly ?
As for the other names they were only champions for a very short time, like Pinklon Thomas had a very short prime. I seriously doubt Larry Holmes would of ducked either of them especially Michael frigging Dokes ;D
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
I have no doubt Larry would have been a very tough match for Clay in his prime , Larry was top draw.
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
can i also add from posts i have read, i conclude.
FRANKENFRANK = FUCKWIT.
FACT!
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
Holmes was a great fighter and had one of the best walk away jabs I have ever seen but his timing for making a splash in the division was impeccable. Pretty much every person in the top ten to 15 was half spent. Having said that, I think Larry would be in the top 5 in any era.
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What Holmes did wasn't always pretty but he did get the job done. The more you saw of him the more you liked him. During the interview, after he stopped Cooney, the first thing Holmes said was, "Did ya really think he could beat me?" He was a serious guy about boxing and did not forget insults. I would not rank him above Ali. Holmes was a true Champion and fought everyone.
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
Larry Holmes was not one of my favorite fighters by a long shot but he kept boxing on the sports page. He had one of the best jabs in boxing but that fight with Cooney was exciting and I liked Cooney but he was a gigantic version of Oscar Delahoya, a converted southpaw with little power in his right hand. Shavers was relearning how to fight because he had zero endurance until he met Ali. Mike Weaver sent him to the canvass giving him a good scare and another guy sent him out of the ring with aright hand and I cannot remember his name but but it was on prime time and Holmes was probably the only heavyweight champ to fight on prime time, 800PM. He fought people that were put in front of him and many were past their primes but they were contenders and he fought the who's who of heavyweight boxing during his era and Ali was already washed up. He was a good fighter and there is no way he was great but he won and he was robbed in the Spinks rematch and I liked Mike. I often wonder if we should just say the great ones had great fights instead of saying they were great because in the scheme of things a lot of fighters had off nights too. Larry made it seem he was on more than he was off because Larry was not afraid to put it on the line and he said some things that did not make people of the old school era happy showing that you can't win them all. One remark made the night of the Spinks fight made many people unhappy and the price of jock straps went up.
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
larry was the real deal, not evander. larry would have bazookaed evander ın hıs prıme. look at larry at 42 years old go the dıstance wıth a prıme evander ın 1992 ı thınk. unbelıevaqble.
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brocktonblockbust
larry was the real deal, not evander. larry would have bazookaed evander ın hıs prıme. look at larry at 42 years old go the dıstance wıth a prıme evander ın 1992 ı thınk. unbelıevaqble.
What do you make of Larry's 4th round stoppage defeat against Tyson?
I have always stuggled to firmly put that fight into context.
At present, im kinda thinking the mid-80's Tyson was just that good
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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Jimanuel Boogustus
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brocktonblockbust
larry was the real deal, not evander. larry would have bazookaed evander ın hıs prıme. look at larry at 42 years old go the dıstance wıth a prıme evander ın 1992 ı thınk. unbelıevaqble.
What do you make of Larry's 4th round stoppage defeat against Tyson?
I have always stuggled to firmly put that fight into context.
At present, im kinda thinking the mid-80's Tyson was just that good
That was the worst version of Holmes that ever entered the ring (apart from versus Butterbean) He was better in his forties than he was when he fought Tyson.
Prime for prime that's seriously hard to call!! If Holmes could get up from that Shavers punch and win the fight, I'm not sure how you get rid of him!!
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
If you ask Holmes, he'll say "yeah". But that he didn't get enough credit because he's black.
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
Yes he might possibly be other than Ali, I think he could beat the other great heavyweights in history. He did not achieve the 25 defences that Joe Louis did and he did have some lucky decisions (Carl Williams) and knock downs (Snipes) but at his best he had the greatest chin and left jabs in history.
Holmes v Lewis and Wlad would be interesting as Holmes would have to work out a way past their jabs and their sheer size.
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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TitoFan
If you ask Holmes, he'll say "yeah". But that he didn't get enough credit because he's black.
History and some historians frown on him a bit because of the battle worn crew he entered into. Now that's not his fault unless one suspects that he planned it anymore then it was Marciano's fault or presently Wlads. People also factor in King and the Ali fight. I mean it looks more opportunistic then a sub adult male black bear recently kicked to the curb by its mother. I cant think of a lower move by a promoter.
I believe those two things effect opinion greatly.
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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IamInuit
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TitoFan
If you ask Holmes, he'll say "yeah". But that he didn't get enough credit because he's black.
History and some historians frown on him a bit because of the battle worn crew he entered into. Now that's not his fault unless one suspects that he planned it anymore then it was Marciano's fault or presently Wlads. People also factor in King and the Ali fight. I mean it looks more opportunistic then a sub adult male black bear recently kicked to the curb by its mother. I cant think of a lower move by a promoter.
I believe those two things effect opinion greatly.
I do not think it was Holmes beating Ali but more because he came straight after him. Holmes was quality and very under appreciated champ. Loved his victory over Mercer, that was emotional.
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
I think Evander could do just as well against Holmes if he was prime just because he went the distance with him doesn't mean shit because Evander won very clearly. Evander Holyfeild was not a knock out artist and Holmes was almost 30 pounds heavier then Holyfeild was, like most fights Evander was fighting with a guy way heavier then him and taller as well. I don't rate Holyfeild above Holmes as a heavyweight even though Evanders top wins were better, but atg great and pound for pound i feel Holyfeild was a far greater fighter then Holmes was just saying.
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
*C'mon... i can mention 10 guys in the last 20 years that would beat Holmes... so NO... not even close.
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*C'mon... i can mention 10 guys in the last 20 years that would beat Holmes... so NO... not even close.
So name them. 10 guys in the last 20 years?
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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brocktonblockbust
No doubt robbed agaınst Spınks by a vengeful Don Kıng----thıs guy never lost, and IMO beat Marciano's record of 49 straıght wıns by beatıng Spınks both tımes on many people's cards. Bad luck to have to follow the "greatest of all tıme"---not only that but havıng to beat up the "greatest of all tıme" as well. Yeah not a very popular guy after that, not to mentıon not very charısmatıc eıther. SECOND ONLY TO THE BROWN BOMBER AS HE DEFENDED HIS TITLE 20 CONSECUTIVE TIMES SUCCESSFULLY. What thanks dıd he get? >He beat the monster Gerry Cooney (Foreman saıd Cooney hıt harder than Frazıer), Shavers twıce ın dramatıc fashıon, Wıtherspoon, Weaver, Wıllıams, Norton and everyone else they put ın front of hım. I rank hım hıgher than Dempsey, Frazıer, Tunney, Holyfıeld, Bowe and Lennox Lewıs. Tıed wıth Alı IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePUXSAzpHhU&feature=relmfu
He lost to a 15-0 tim witherspoon and carl williams.
http://store03.prostores.com/dcbcoll...14d863af_m.JPG
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
No doubt robbed agaınst Spınks by a vengeful Don Kıng----thıs guy never lost, and IMO beat Marciano's record of 49 straıght wıns by beatıng Spınks both tımes on many people's cards. Bad luck to have to follow the "greatest of all tıme"---not only that but havıng to beat up the "greatest of all tıme" as well. Yeah not a very popular guy after that, not to mentıon not very charısmatıc eıther. SECOND ONLY TO THE BROWN BOMBER AS HE DEFENDED HIS TITLE 20 CONSECUTIVE TIMES SUCCESSFULLY. What thanks dıd he get? >He beat the monster Gerry Cooney (Foreman saıd Cooney hıt harder than Frazıer), Shavers twıce ın dramatıc fashıon, Wıtherspoon, Weaver, Wıllıams, Norton and everyone else they put ın front of hım. I rank hım hıgher than Dempsey, Frazıer, Tunney, Holyfıeld, Bowe and Lennox Lewıs. Tıed wıth Alı IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePUXSAzpHhU&feature=relmfu
He lost to a 15-0 tim witherspoon and carl williams. Check out his face after wiliams was through with him too....and losing to a LHW is inexcusable!
http://store03.prostores.com/dcbcoll...14d863af_m.JPG
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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Jimanuel Boogustus
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
larry was the real deal, not evander. larry would have bazookaed evander ın hıs prıme. look at larry at 42 years old go the dıstance wıth a prıme evander ın 1992 ı thınk. unbelıevaqble.
What do you make of Larry's 4th round stoppage defeat against Tyson?
I have always stuggled to firmly put that fight into context.
At present, im kinda thinking the mid-80's Tyson was just that good
ı never understood that fıght eıther--ı saw ıt lıve on PPV january 1988. I thought Holmes was startıng to gıve a boxıng lesson to Tyson by the 4th round---ıt looked lıke ıt could be an upset at that poınt---then BAM!!! Tyson's speed took over. ıt sucked to see larry go down lıke that.
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Jimanuel Boogustus
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
larry was the real deal, not evander. larry would have bazookaed evander ın hıs prıme. look at larry at 42 years old go the dıstance wıth a prıme evander ın 1992 ı thınk. unbelıevaqble.
What do you make of Larry's 4th round stoppage defeat against Tyson?
I have always stuggled to firmly put that fight into context.
At present, im kinda thinking the mid-80's Tyson was just that good
ı never understood that fıght eıther--ı saw ıt lıve on PPV january 1988. I thought Holmes was startıng to gıve a boxıng lesson to Tyson by the 4th round---ıt looked lıke ıt could be an upset at that poınt---then BAM!!! Tyson's speed took over. ıt sucked to see larry go down lıke that.
He took that fight on 4 weeks notice, was 40 yrs old and had been in retirement for 2 years following 2 losses to a LHW (one of those fights were debateable though!) a better prepared holmes frustrates tyson badly......
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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Originally Posted by
THE PHILOSOPHER
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Jimanuel Boogustus
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
larry was the real deal, not evander. larry would have bazookaed evander ın hıs prıme. look at larry at 42 years old go the dıstance wıth a prıme evander ın 1992 ı thınk. unbelıevaqble.
What do you make of Larry's 4th round stoppage defeat against Tyson?
I have always stuggled to firmly put that fight into context.
At present, im kinda thinking the mid-80's Tyson was just that good
ı never understood that fıght eıther--ı saw ıt lıve on PPV january 1988. I thought Holmes was startıng to gıve a boxıng lesson to Tyson by the 4th round---ıt looked lıke ıt could be an upset at that poınt---then BAM!!! Tyson's speed took over. ıt sucked to see larry go down lıke that.
He took that fight on 4 weeks notice, was 40 yrs old and had been in retirement for 2 years following 2 losses to a LHW (one of those fights were debateable though!) a better prepared holmes frustrates tyson badly......
Maybe. It showed me how great his chin was because he took some blockbuster home runs and was still fighting back!
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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Originally Posted by
THE PHILOSOPHER
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
No doubt robbed agaınst Spınks by a vengeful Don Kıng----thıs guy never lost, and IMO beat Marciano's record of 49 straıght wıns by beatıng Spınks both tımes on many people's cards. Bad luck to have to follow the "greatest of all tıme"---not only that but havıng to beat up the "greatest of all tıme" as well. Yeah not a very popular guy after that, not to mentıon not very charısmatıc eıther. SECOND ONLY TO THE BROWN BOMBER AS HE DEFENDED HIS TITLE 20 CONSECUTIVE TIMES SUCCESSFULLY. What thanks dıd he get? >He beat the monster Gerry Cooney (Foreman saıd Cooney hıt harder than Frazıer), Shavers twıce ın dramatıc fashıon, Wıtherspoon, Weaver, Wıllıams, Norton and everyone else they put ın front of hım. I rank hım hıgher than Dempsey, Frazıer, Tunney, Holyfıeld, Bowe and Lennox Lewıs. Tıed wıth Alı IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePUXSAzpHhU&feature=relmfu
He lost to a 15-0 tim witherspoon and carl williams. Check out his face after wiliams was through with him too....and losing to a LHW is inexcusable!
http://store03.prostores.com/dcbcoll...14d863af_m.JPG
No he didn't lose to Witherspoon, Williams, they were close fights but Holmes edged them. I had Holmes winning both fights by 1 point, the commentators were very biased towards Witherspoon especially Dundee horrible commentary.
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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Originally Posted by
THE PHILOSOPHER
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
No doubt robbed agaınst Spınks by a vengeful Don Kıng----thıs guy never lost, and IMO beat Marciano's record of 49 straıght wıns by beatıng Spınks both tımes on many people's cards. Bad luck to have to follow the "greatest of all tıme"---not only that but havıng to beat up the "greatest of all tıme" as well. Yeah not a very popular guy after that, not to mentıon not very charısmatıc eıther. SECOND ONLY TO THE BROWN BOMBER AS HE DEFENDED HIS TITLE 20 CONSECUTIVE TIMES SUCCESSFULLY. What thanks dıd he get? >He beat the monster Gerry Cooney (Foreman saıd Cooney hıt harder than Frazıer), Shavers twıce ın dramatıc fashıon, Wıtherspoon, Weaver, Wıllıams, Norton and everyone else they put ın front of hım. I rank hım hıgher than Dempsey, Frazıer, Tunney, Holyfıeld, Bowe and Lennox Lewıs. Tıed wıth Alı IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePUXSAzpHhU&feature=relmfu
He lost to a 15-0 tim witherspoon and carl williams. Check out his face after wiliams was through with him too....and losing to a LHW is inexcusable!
[IMG]http://store03.prostores.com/dcbcollectibles/media/23/a20791b12feacc14d863af_m.JPG[/IMG
And Ali lost to and 6 and 1 Spinks.
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
THE PHILOSOPHER
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Jimanuel Boogustus
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
larry was the real deal, not evander. larry would have bazookaed evander ın hıs prıme. look at larry at 42 years old go the dıstance wıth a prıme evander ın 1992 ı thınk. unbelıevaqble.
What do you make of Larry's 4th round stoppage defeat against Tyson?
I have always stuggled to firmly put that fight into context.
At present, im kinda thinking the mid-80's Tyson was just that good
ı never understood that fıght eıther--ı saw ıt lıve on PPV january 1988. I thought Holmes was startıng to gıve a boxıng lesson to Tyson by the 4th round---ıt looked lıke ıt could be an upset at that poınt---then BAM!!! Tyson's speed took over. ıt sucked to see larry go down lıke that.
He took that fight on 4 weeks notice, was 40 yrs old and had been in retirement for 2 years following 2 losses to a LHW (one of those fights were debateable though!) a better prepared holmes frustrates tyson badly......
Maybe. It showed me how great his chin was because he took some blockbuster home runs and was still fighting back!
I must admit to the guilty pleasure of jumping for joy when Tyson KTFO'ed Holmes.
While I grudgingly admit to Holmes greatness as a fighter.... I absolutely HATED Holmes the person.
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
THE PHILOSOPHER
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Jimanuel Boogustus
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
larry was the real deal, not evander. larry would have bazookaed evander ın hıs prıme. look at larry at 42 years old go the dıstance wıth a prıme evander ın 1992 ı thınk. unbelıevaqble.
What do you make of Larry's 4th round stoppage defeat against Tyson?
I have always stuggled to firmly put that fight into context.
At present, im kinda thinking the mid-80's Tyson was just that good
ı never understood that fıght eıther--ı saw ıt lıve on PPV january 1988. I thought Holmes was startıng to gıve a boxıng lesson to Tyson by the 4th round---ıt looked lıke ıt could be an upset at that poınt---then BAM!!! Tyson's speed took over. ıt sucked to see larry go down lıke that.
He took that fight on 4 weeks notice, was 40 yrs old and had been in retirement for 2 years following 2 losses to a LHW (one of those fights were debateable though!) a better prepared holmes frustrates tyson badly......
Maybe. It showed me how great his chin was because he took some blockbuster home runs and was still fighting back!
I must admit to the guilty pleasure of jumping for joy when Tyson KTFO'ed Holmes.
While I grudgingly admit to Holmes greatness as a fighter.... I absolutely
HATED Holmes the person.
I couldn't stand him either.
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Re: Larry Holmes---greatest of all-tıme?
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larry was the real deal, not evander. larry would have bazookaed evander ın hıs prıme. look at larry at 42 years old go the dıstance wıth a prıme evander ın 1992 ı thınk. unbelıevaqble.
What do you make of Larry's 4th round stoppage defeat against Tyson?
I have always stuggled to firmly put that fight into context.
At present, im kinda thinking the mid-80's Tyson was just that good
ı never understood that fıght eıther--ı saw ıt lıve on PPV january 1988. I thought Holmes was startıng to gıve a boxıng lesson to Tyson by the 4th round---ıt looked lıke ıt could be an upset at that poınt---then BAM!!! Tyson's speed took over. ıt sucked to see larry go down lıke that.
He took that fight on 4 weeks notice, was 40 yrs old and had been in retirement for 2 years following 2 losses to a LHW (one of those fights were debateable though!) a better prepared holmes frustrates tyson badly......
Maybe. It showed me how great his chin was because he took some blockbuster home runs and was still fighting back!
I must admit to the guilty pleasure of jumping for joy when Tyson KTFO'ed Holmes.
While I grudgingly admit to Holmes greatness as a fighter.... I absolutely
HATED Holmes the person.
I couldn't stand him either.
I don't know about you, bro. But I've never seen a more irreverent, "whiney" jerk in my years of following boxing. He disrespected Rocky Marciano, when the poor guy wasn't even around anymore to defend himself. No other boxer to my knowledge has ever done that. He whined constantly about not getting enough of "this" or enough of "that", because he was black. It got to the point to where just looking at his sorry ass face rubbed me the wrong way. I was ecstatic when Tyson knocked the stuffing out of him.
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brocktonblockbust
larry was the real deal, not evander. larry would have bazookaed evander ın hıs prıme. look at larry at 42 years old go the dıstance wıth a prıme evander ın 1992 ı thınk. unbelıevaqble.
What do you make of Larry's 4th round stoppage defeat against Tyson?
I have always stuggled to firmly put that fight into context.
At present, im kinda thinking the mid-80's Tyson was just that good
ı never understood that fıght eıther--ı saw ıt lıve on PPV january 1988. I thought Holmes was startıng to gıve a boxıng lesson to Tyson by the 4th round---ıt looked lıke ıt could be an upset at that poınt---then BAM!!! Tyson's speed took over. ıt sucked to see larry go down lıke that.
He took that fight on 4 weeks notice, was 40 yrs old and had been in retirement for 2 years following 2 losses to a LHW (one of those fights were debateable though!) a better prepared holmes frustrates tyson badly......
Maybe. It showed me how great his chin was because he took some blockbuster home runs and was still fighting back!
I must admit to the guilty pleasure of jumping for joy when Tyson KTFO'ed Holmes.
While I grudgingly admit to Holmes greatness as a fighter.... I absolutely
HATED Holmes the person.
I couldn't stand him either.
I don't know about you, bro. But I've never seen a more irreverent, "whiney" jerk in my years of following boxing. He disrespected Rocky Marciano, when the poor guy wasn't even around anymore to defend himself. No other boxer to my knowledge has ever done that. He whined constantly about not getting enough of "this" or enough of "that", because he was black. It got to the point to where just looking at his sorry ass face rubbed me the wrong way. I was ecstatic when Tyson knocked the stuffing out of him.
In express fashion!!
It just doesn't stand to reason that the greatest of all time gets knocked out in 4 rounds... Even if he was 38.
Hell Lennox Lewis was 38 and under prepared when he was tearing Vitali's face to shreds.
