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I'd say he better dominate and win damn near every round and maybe then he'll win a SD or get a draw.
More than likely he will need a KO to win.
The judges and HBO will be heavily against him.
Its going to be difficult to stop an aggressive, determined, big Chavez Jr, but Sergio seems confident he can get him out of there.
Sergio Martinez Eyes KO: I Won't Leave it With The Judges - Boxing News
Agreed. Especially with Jose Sulaiman looking over the judges' shoulders.
Yes, get a knock down in each round and dominate the rest of the round. Simple!
Nah the ref would just attribute the kds to phantom headbuttsQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
Martinez will at least need a KD or 2 to win a decision, but not to worry, I think he's going to kick Jr's ass and make a decision irrelevant. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I'm not being paranoid when I say this but I am actually scared. Abril, Campillo, Molina, Jmm, Pacman...yeah I'm really scared.
It seems to be unanimous. Hopefully Martinez can one shot counter the aggressive baby huey into a beautiful KO punch like he did to his last two opponents.
Yes he can with a dominate performance.
I just watched 24/7 on HBO, Martinez looks to be in incredible shape for a 37 year old. I believe Sergio's experience and power will rule the day, i'm really looking forward to seeing how this plays out.
he probably can't win a decision against Golovkin.
cause he gonna get KOd!
I think he can. Physically it's an uphill battle, not to mention he'll be in a massively hostile envroment. The deck is clearly stacked. But mentally and skillset wise it's very much man vs boy. Chavez part Deaux sounded like he was dropped on his misshapen mutten chops having head as an infant one too many times at the end of lastnights 24-7.
I'm not so sure it will be all that hostile in Vegas, Sergio will have some fans there too, remember Chavez Jr. is a Mexican not an American who hasn't even bothered to try and speak English, his daddy never bothered to learn English either. Just saying, aside from Latinos, I don't believe Jr. has that big of a fan base here in the U.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Sergio is a warrior, consummate professional, and used to fighting in adverse environments, so I don't see that being any advantage for Julio.
For what it's worth, I really believe Jr. has been using PEDs during much of his career, how it hasn't been detected so far is a mystery. Nevada has pretty decent drug testing, it wouldn't surprise me if Jr. hasn't been using PEDs leading up to his fight with Martinez and tests positive for something either before or after the fight. Actually PEDs are the only way Jr. has any chance of winning this fight, without them he'll get clowned badly, and even with them he's in trouble.
And yeah Spicoli, I believe Julio Jr. was a crack baby, who got dropped on his head too many times by his daddy.
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Originally Posted by Mars_axI'm not so sure it will be all that hostile in Vegas, Sergio will have some fans there too, remember Chavez Jr. is a Mexican not an American who hasn't even bothered to try and speak English, his daddy never bothered to learn English either. Just saying, aside from Latinos, I don't believe Jr. has that big of a fan base here in the U.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Sergio is a warrior, consummate professional, and used to fighting in adverse environments, so I don't see that being any advantage for Julio.
For what it's worth, I really believe Jr. has been using PEDs during much of his career, how it hasn't been detected so far is a mystery. Nevada has pretty decent drug testing, it wouldn't surprise me if Jr. hasn't been using PEDs leading up to his fight with Martinez and tests positive for something either before or after the fight. Actually PEDs are the only way Jr. has any chance of winning this fight, without them he'll get clowned badly, and even with them he's in trouble.
And yeah Spicoli, I believe Julio Jr. was a crack baby, who got dropped on his head too many times by his daddy.
I disagree, Mars. I think it will be extremely hostile. There's a huge Mexican fan base in Southern California, Texas, and other states with borders with Mexico.... that will more than gladly fill the Thomas & Mack Center for the fight. Not learning English hasn't seemed to be a hindrance for either of the Chavez's. Imagine....... if Chavez fans are willing to overlook the fact he's been caught cheating on his urine tests..... they're sure not to mind at all that he hasn't bothered to learn English.
But hostile environment or not.... Martinez is the consummate pro. He'll give Junior a thorough schooling.... and hopefully will dump the sneering little coddled baby on his pampered ass.
New rule. No posting before that 1st cup of coffee. I totally forgot they had moved this from the Alamo Dome in TX :dunce:. I certainly don't see the mad house in Vegas that TX would have been as far as rabid rowdy fans but Chavez always carries that feeling of 'entitlement' and has been rewarded for family name before, but a bit more level playing field in NV. yeh. At the end of the day judges are judges though...do we know who the ref is yet?
Mars I don't know what he's using or not using but the kid smells of hiding something after the Rubio fight. He was damn near a Lt hvy that night and still not buying the post fight non testing bs. He just acts soft to me. In fairness I do see some changes for the better in style but he is still a straight line fighter. I hope Martinez doesn't find the hittability upstairs too tempting and get sucked in, expose his body as Quest for Fire jr. will be ripping it. I think Martinez has the skill to keep him on a leash all night and walk him into punches from bookoo angles, but he better keep sliding and stay mobile.
@TITO,Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI'm not so sure it will be all that hostile in Vegas, Sergio will have some fans there too, remember Chavez Jr. is a Mexican not an American who hasn't even bothered to try and speak English, his daddy never bothered to learn English either. Just saying, aside from Latinos, I don't believe Jr. has that big of a fan base here in the U.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Sergio is a warrior, consummate professional, and used to fighting in adverse environments, so I don't see that being any advantage for Julio.
For what it's worth, I really believe Jr. has been using PEDs during much of his career, how it hasn't been detected so far is a mystery. Nevada has pretty decent drug testing, it wouldn't surprise me if Jr. hasn't been using PEDs leading up to his fight with Martinez and tests positive for something either before or after the fight. Actually PEDs are the only way Jr. has any chance of winning this fight, without them he'll get clowned badly, and even with them he's in trouble.
And yeah Spicoli, I believe Julio Jr. was a crack baby, who got dropped on his head too many times by his daddy.
I disagree, Mars. I think it will be extremely hostile. There's a huge Mexican fan base in Southern California, Texas, and other states with borders with Mexico.... that will more than gladly fill the Thomas & Mack Center for the fight. Not learning English hasn't seemed to be a hindrance for either of the Chavez's. Imagine....... if Chavez fans are willing to overlook the fact he's been caught cheating on his urine tests..... they're sure not to mind at all that he hasn't bothered to learn English.
But hostile environment or not.... Martinez is the consummate pro. He'll give Junior a thorough schooling.... and hopefully will dump the sneering little coddled baby on his pampered ass.
There's no doubt that the Thomas & Mack Center will have it's share of cheering, jeering mexican and mex-american fans, I just don't think it's going to be a factor in this fight, if anything it will just give Sergio more motivation. I'd like to believe that Sergio will have some fans in Vegas too, certainly those folks who will be betting on him to win.
The bottom line for me is, I just can't see this 26 year old kid, beating an old pro like Martinez, unless he's been using PEDs or Sergio gets royally fucked on the scorecards.
Jr. hasn't faced anyone like Martinez in his career, Sergio will take Julio's ass into deep water and drown him in the later rounds. Another factor that's an advantage for Martinez is he fights "smart", Jr seems about as dumb as a box of rocks. Sergio also knows how to fight hurt, and/or survive a war, something Julio hasn't experienced yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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Originally Posted by Mars_ax@TITO,Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI'm not so sure it will be all that hostile in Vegas, Sergio will have some fans there too, remember Chavez Jr. is a Mexican not an American who hasn't even bothered to try and speak English, his daddy never bothered to learn English either. Just saying, aside from Latinos, I don't believe Jr. has that big of a fan base here in the U.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Sergio is a warrior, consummate professional, and used to fighting in adverse environments, so I don't see that being any advantage for Julio.
For what it's worth, I really believe Jr. has been using PEDs during much of his career, how it hasn't been detected so far is a mystery. Nevada has pretty decent drug testing, it wouldn't surprise me if Jr. hasn't been using PEDs leading up to his fight with Martinez and tests positive for something either before or after the fight. Actually PEDs are the only way Jr. has any chance of winning this fight, without them he'll get clowned badly, and even with them he's in trouble.
And yeah Spicoli, I believe Julio Jr. was a crack baby, who got dropped on his head too many times by his daddy.
I disagree, Mars. I think it will be extremely hostile. There's a huge Mexican fan base in Southern California, Texas, and other states with borders with Mexico.... that will more than gladly fill the Thomas & Mack Center for the fight. Not learning English hasn't seemed to be a hindrance for either of the Chavez's. Imagine....... if Chavez fans are willing to overlook the fact he's been caught cheating on his urine tests..... they're sure not to mind at all that he hasn't bothered to learn English.
But hostile environment or not.... Martinez is the consummate pro. He'll give Junior a thorough schooling.... and hopefully will dump the sneering little coddled baby on his pampered ass.
There's no doubt that the Thomas & Mack Center will have it's share of cheering, jeering mexican and mex-american fans, I just don't think it's going to be a factor in this fight, if anything it will just give Sergio more motivation. I'd like to believe that Sergio will have some fans in Vegas too, certainly those folks who will be betting on him to win.
The bottom line for me is, I just can't see this 26 year old kid, beating an old pro like Martinez, unless he's been using PEDs or Sergio gets royally fucked on the scorecards.
Great thread in a thread you 3.Unlike Bute, Sergio wont fold like a nine dollar lawn chair in a hostile crowd and instead will use it. At least its not in Texas.
Weeks gets to call the frolic on the canvas and I have mixed feelings on him.
The judges are Christodoulou,Byrd and Moretti. That causes me to squirm.
Weeks is a clown, my main concern with the judges is will they be swayed by Jr's rabid Mex fans and with all the bad decisions the last few years, you never really know for sure who's gonna win.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax@TITO,Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI'm not so sure it will be all that hostile in Vegas, Sergio will have some fans there too, remember Chavez Jr. is a Mexican not an American who hasn't even bothered to try and speak English, his daddy never bothered to learn English either. Just saying, aside from Latinos, I don't believe Jr. has that big of a fan base here in the U.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Sergio is a warrior, consummate professional, and used to fighting in adverse environments, so I don't see that being any advantage for Julio.
For what it's worth, I really believe Jr. has been using PEDs during much of his career, how it hasn't been detected so far is a mystery. Nevada has pretty decent drug testing, it wouldn't surprise me if Jr. hasn't been using PEDs leading up to his fight with Martinez and tests positive for something either before or after the fight. Actually PEDs are the only way Jr. has any chance of winning this fight, without them he'll get clowned badly, and even with them he's in trouble.
And yeah Spicoli, I believe Julio Jr. was a crack baby, who got dropped on his head too many times by his daddy.
I disagree, Mars. I think it will be extremely hostile. There's a huge Mexican fan base in Southern California, Texas, and other states with borders with Mexico.... that will more than gladly fill the Thomas & Mack Center for the fight. Not learning English hasn't seemed to be a hindrance for either of the Chavez's. Imagine....... if Chavez fans are willing to overlook the fact he's been caught cheating on his urine tests..... they're sure not to mind at all that he hasn't bothered to learn English.
But hostile environment or not.... Martinez is the consummate pro. He'll give Junior a thorough schooling.... and hopefully will dump the sneering little coddled baby on his pampered ass.
There's no doubt that the Thomas & Mack Center will have it's share of cheering, jeering mexican and mex-american fans, I just don't think it's going to be a factor in this fight, if anything it will just give Sergio more motivation. I'd like to believe that Sergio will have some fans in Vegas too, certainly those folks who will be betting on him to win.
The bottom line for me is, I just can't see this 26 year old kid, beating an old pro like Martinez, unless he's been using PEDs or Sergio gets royally fucked on the scorecards.
Great thread in a thread you 3.Unlike Bute, Sergio wont fold like a nine dollar lawn chair in a hostile crowd and instead will use it. At least its not in Texas.
Weeks gets to call the frolic on the canvas and I have mixed feelings on him.
The judges are Christodoulou,Byrd and Moretti. That causes me to squirm.
Byrd is the worst judge on the planet and once used the angle excuse as a reason for a fk-up. Moretti is questionable and seems 1 of these guys easily influenced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axWeeks is a clown, my main concern with the judges is will they be swayed by Jr's rabid Mex fans and with all the bad decisions the last few years, you never really know for sure who's gonna win.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax@TITO,Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI'm not so sure it will be all that hostile in Vegas, Sergio will have some fans there too, remember Chavez Jr. is a Mexican not an American who hasn't even bothered to try and speak English, his daddy never bothered to learn English either. Just saying, aside from Latinos, I don't believe Jr. has that big of a fan base here in the U.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Sergio is a warrior, consummate professional, and used to fighting in adverse environments, so I don't see that being any advantage for Julio.
For what it's worth, I really believe Jr. has been using PEDs during much of his career, how it hasn't been detected so far is a mystery. Nevada has pretty decent drug testing, it wouldn't surprise me if Jr. hasn't been using PEDs leading up to his fight with Martinez and tests positive for something either before or after the fight. Actually PEDs are the only way Jr. has any chance of winning this fight, without them he'll get clowned badly, and even with them he's in trouble.
And yeah Spicoli, I believe Julio Jr. was a crack baby, who got dropped on his head too many times by his daddy.
I disagree, Mars. I think it will be extremely hostile. There's a huge Mexican fan base in Southern California, Texas, and other states with borders with Mexico.... that will more than gladly fill the Thomas & Mack Center for the fight. Not learning English hasn't seemed to be a hindrance for either of the Chavez's. Imagine....... if Chavez fans are willing to overlook the fact he's been caught cheating on his urine tests..... they're sure not to mind at all that he hasn't bothered to learn English.
But hostile environment or not.... Martinez is the consummate pro. He'll give Junior a thorough schooling.... and hopefully will dump the sneering little coddled baby on his pampered ass.
There's no doubt that the Thomas & Mack Center will have it's share of cheering, jeering mexican and mex-american fans, I just don't think it's going to be a factor in this fight, if anything it will just give Sergio more motivation. I'd like to believe that Sergio will have some fans in Vegas too, certainly those folks who will be betting on him to win.
The bottom line for me is, I just can't see this 26 year old kid, beating an old pro like Martinez, unless he's been using PEDs or Sergio gets royally fucked on the scorecards.
Great thread in a thread you 3.Unlike Bute, Sergio wont fold like a nine dollar lawn chair in a hostile crowd and instead will use it. At least its not in Texas.
Weeks gets to call the frolic on the canvas and I have mixed feelings on him.
The judges are Christodoulou,Byrd and Moretti. That causes me to squirm.
I'm unfamiliar with Byrd. Which fights has he judged horribly wrong?
If Geale can win a decision then so can Martinez. :)
Haha tell that to sergio himself he knocked cintron out in 6, beat him over 12 in the same fight and still only got a draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Sergio is rich and famous and a somebody now, he was poor then. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by arminHaha tell that to sergio himself he knocked cintron out in 6, beat him over 12 in the same fight and still only got a draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Originally Posted by DavilaJones
He is a she, Adelaide Byrd. Her husband is ref Robert Byrd. If you Google her name I'm sure you'll see plenty of complaints about her scoring in boxing and mma.
Oh I thought it was the same Byrd who was a boxer turned referee. Apologies I'll google it up right now.
I am hoping that the young champion is given a boxing lesson and a lesson that in order to be a champion you have to earn it and Daddy has been accused in the past of fighting taxi drivers in Tijuana to pad his great record in the early years. Has anyone watched this twenty four seven and anything remotely like that this month? THIS DUDE IS UNDISCIPLINED AND ACTS LIKE THERE IS AN ANGEL ON HIS SHOULDERS. He has zero class and shows up late for training sessions. He even skips them and does a make shift workout at his place keeping his trainer Freddie Roach hanging on a limb wondering if he will show up. Martinez works harder in one day than Junior does in a month of Sundays. If Martinez loses then those angels have the score cards in their possession. Maybe they will lift him(JUNIOR) in the air and have him float like a butterfly. Does this dude really get away with KO wins on legitimate opponents? Who has he fought, somebody tell me please. He is powerful and hits hard but when your chosen opponents stand there like mummies, it is easy to look powerful, Right?
We have 2 good judges for this fight. I'm not sure about Stanley Christodoulou though. He's had some bizarre scorecards. Expect a split or majority decision. Hopefully the correct guy has his hand raised
It also turns out that Sulaiman has said if he were a betting man, he would bet on Junior. He offered to buy a radio show host dinner if Martinez won. The commissioner of the organization running the even shouldn't be making those type of statements before a fight.
As to the split, Junior is getting $3.0 million, Martinez gets $1.4 million.
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
First his demands that Garcia and Ward give up their WBC belts.... and now this. This just adds to his legacy as the MOST CORRUPT BOXING ORGANIZATION PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT. If you're not Mexican, you already have two strikes in Sulaiman's little black book.
What an asshole!
I expect Junior to spend most of the fight coming forward and throwing a lot of punches. Unless Martinez can do an absolutely masterful job of countering him all night with clear scoring punches then I think Chavez gets the decision. If Martinez spends the fight going backwards and pot shotting but getting caught with Chavez punches then he's going to lose on the cards. If there's a stoppage I think it'll be Chavez stopping Martinez late on. If Martinez has won over twelve rounds but it's anywhere near close then I think Chavez gets the decision.
You guys must actually think that Chavez can actually box. WRONG
Martinez will get the decision or the KO. Chavez will get the KO or the KO. He doesn't have a plan B, and if he doesn't assert himself with his pressure style,and Martinez gets timeto adjust before being caught too hard, then it will just be a long night for Chavez.
Martinez a la decision. Hard to see it going any other way.
If Chavez can win this fight even on a dodgy points decision then he becomes an enormous star for the biggest market in boxing (Hispanic-Americans, Mexicans). He becomes a massive PPV earner and every time he fights in Vegas he'll earn the city a huge amount of money. None of the money people involved with this fight want Martinez to win and they all want Chavez to win. So it's not hard to see a decision going any other way.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFolds
Unfortunately that is correct. HBO wants Chavez to be a superstar too soooooooo bad. Thats why they hype the shit out of his close win over freakin Rubio and his win over Andy Lee as well. And it is why they downplayed Martinez's KO victories against Macklin and Barker and just bout had Martinez down on the cards in those fights at the time of the stoppage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIf Chavez can win this fight even on a dodgy points decision then he becomes an enormous star for the biggest market in boxing (Hispanic-Americans, Mexicans). He becomes a massive PPV earner and every time he fights in Vegas he'll earn the city a huge amount of money. None of the money people involved with this fight want Martinez to win and they all want Chavez to win. So it's not hard to see a decision going any other way.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFolds
Martinez isn't a big draw so HBO and the powers that be are very eager to fuck him over and see him on his way.
HBO, the WBC, Vegas, everybody with a money interest unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkUnfortunately that is correct. HBO wants Chavez to be a superstar too soooooooo bad. Thats why they hype the shit out of his close win over freakin Rubio and his win over Andy Lee as well. And it is why they downplayed Martinez's KO victories against Macklin and Barker and just bout had Martinez down on the cards in those fights at the time of the stoppage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIf Chavez can win this fight even on a dodgy points decision then he becomes an enormous star for the biggest market in boxing (Hispanic-Americans, Mexicans). He becomes a massive PPV earner and every time he fights in Vegas he'll earn the city a huge amount of money. None of the money people involved with this fight want Martinez to win and they all want Chavez to win. So it's not hard to see a decision going any other way.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFolds
Martinez isn't a big draw so HBO and the powers that be are very eager to fuck him over and see him on his way.
Which is another reason why we should support Martinez as he is the under dog and we all hate the corporate scum bags that try to bleed fans dry.