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The "Hatton was never comfortable at 147" myth..
Why are the two fights Ricky had at 147 perceived to mean that he wasn't comfortable there? He fought Luis Collazo and Floyd Mayweather, two fighters who probably would have beaten him at 140 as well. I don't see the Floyd fight going any differently if it was at 140. Floyd was still an offensive beast at 140 who wasn't afraid to let his hands go. I predict it would have ended earlier at that weight.
Collazo would have been trouble for Ricky Hatton in any weight division. Ricky will always struggle with slick, thinking boxers who aren't intimidated or bullied by him. That's just how it is. (I'm sure Philosopher can scour BoxRec to find some slick boxers like Carlos Maussa that Hatton defeated in the past but Ricky will always struggle with upper echelon slick boxers).
So where did this myth come from? Was Ricky expected to beat Collazo and Floyd with ease or something? I'm confused. These are two world class fighters we're judging him on.
I feel that he and his fans think 140 was his best weight because 1) He could bully his opponents a bit more by drying himself into the weight (inducing herpes and all sorts usually on his mouth come weigh-in time!).
2) He never fought fighters like Collazo or Floyd at 140. Kosta Tsuyu was still game when he fought Ricky and of course, that was his best performance..but on the flip side he also got brutally KO'd at 140 by Manny Pacquiao so it could easily just be said he struggled with his higher calibur opponents.
I'm trying to come at this as neutral as possible and I have the utmost respect Ricky for getting rid of Warren at the right time to pursue the toughest challenges in America (Something JC never did until his very last, meaningless fight). Never ANY shame in losing to the absolute best like he did. I just wonder whether Ricky and fans look at him with rose-tinted glasses.
What are your thoughts? Will you change your mind if Ricky puts on a performance in his comeback at 147 in November?
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Ricky used to bully his opponents into submision and if he cant do that he is in for a tough night at world level but when he decides to box he is good at it, Paulie and Juan are testament to that I hope on his comback he chooses this style as at world level, at his age the young guns will have to much physicaly for him and he will get sparked again, he needs to use his boxing brain and conciderable experiance in the ring if his comeback is to be succesfull.
I am a fan Rickys and have watched over 30 fights live but am a realist and think he could turn Paulie over as for Maidana etc lets see how Rickys chin holds out, if he can still take a good shot he has a chance but I have a feeling that he cant time will tell its all ifs, buts and maybes at the moment.
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Ricky used to bully his opponents into submision and if he cant do that he is in for a tough night at world level but when he decides to box he is good at it, Paulie and Juan are testament to that I hope on his comback he chooses this style as at world level, at his age the young guns will have to much physicaly for him and he will get sparked again, he needs to use his boxing brain and conciderable experiance in the ring if his comeback is to be succesfull.
I am a fan Rickys and have watched over 30 fights live but am a realist and think he could turn Paulie over as for Maidana etc lets see how Rickys chin holds out, if he can still take a good shot he has a chance but I have a feeling that he cant time will tell its all ifs, buts and maybes at the moment.
I agree he was an underated boxer. He had great footwork. I know he had good boxing skills before but I think that first fight under Floyd Sr's guidance was the best I've ever seen Ricky look. He was so composed, hit Paulie with counters and applied intelligent pressure..looked like a different Ricky in there. Was very pleasing to the eye.
I think a little bit like Amir Khan, he could get a bit macho and ahead of himself so you didn't always see those skills come in. He wanted to be bullish and crowd please. It definitely made him a lot of money but also cost him massively against Pacquiao
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1. Hatton beat Collazo at 147 (If you think he lost? Tough. It was a close fight he won).
2. Hatton couldn't beat Floyd at any weight or at any time in history.
3. If you have a hundred fights at 140 and only two at 147 it's pretty obvious 140 was your prime weight.
4. @Althguz - have you ever made a post without mentioning Calzaghe? Weird boy, very weird
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Hatton was uncomfortable at 147lb it was not his best weight. I think Hatton could have beaten Floyd at 140lb if it was in England with an English ref.
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Hatton was uncomfortable at 147lb it was not his best weight. I think Hatton could have beaten Floyd at 140lb if it was in England with an English ref.
... and if the English ref DQ'd Floyd after he knocked Hatton out.
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Hatton was uncomfortable at 147lb it was not his best weight. I think Hatton could have beaten Floyd at 140lb if it was in England with an English ref.
... and if the English ref DQ'd Floyd after he knocked Hatton out.
The ref would never have penalized Hatton and Ricky would not have lost his head mid way into the fight.
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Hatton was uncomfortable at 147lb it was not his best weight. I think Hatton could have beaten Floyd at 140lb if it was in England with an English ref.
... and if the English ref DQ'd Floyd after he knocked Hatton out.
The ref would never have penalized Hatton and Ricky would not have lost his head mid way into the fight.
Yeah.. Hatton would have lost his head early because Floyd would have realised he could get shafted.
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1. Hatton beat Collazo at 147 (If you think he lost? Tough. It was a close fight he won).
2. Hatton couldn't beat Floyd at any weight or at any time in history.
3. If you have a hundred fights at 140 and only two at 147 it's pretty obvious 140 was your prime weight.
4. @Althguz - have you ever made a post without mentioning Calzaghe? Weird boy, very weird
1) Actually I thought he won by virtue of the KD - contrary to popular opinion here. He did struggle though and would have at 140 too.
2) True
3) Definitely prime at 140 but I think too much is made of his one loss and one struggle at 147.
4) True, I start "JC Haters" rehab tomorrow. Maybe I secretly am a fan unable to express my true feelings for him. I hope not..
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Hatton was uncomfortable at 147lb it was not his best weight. I think Hatton could have beaten Floyd at 140lb if it was in England with an English ref.
... and if the English ref DQ'd Floyd after he knocked Hatton out.
The ref would never have penalized Hatton and Ricky would not have lost his head mid way into the fight.
There's no place, time or dimension that Hatton could have won, Master.
I know it's cliche to say this now but it's so appropriate - "Ricky's dad could have been ref..." you know the rest.
(Actually, you never know..based on recent events Ricky's dad could have turned villain mid way and clotheslined Ricky out of his boots. Maybe even a steel chair shot..) Either way Floyd wins
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Why do i get dragged into the opening post? I won't dignify u with my thoughts because u can't have a debate without telling someone u 'came' on one of there parents!
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Why are the two fights Ricky had at 147 perceived to mean that he wasn't comfortable there? He fought Luis Collazo and Floyd Mayweather, two fighters who probably would have beaten him at 140 as well. I don't see the Floyd fight going any differently if it was at 140. Floyd was still an offensive beast at 140 who wasn't afraid to let his hands go. I predict it would have ended earlier at that weight.
I'm a die hard Hatton fan and always will be but I never used the weight as an excuse as to why he lost to Floyd and why he struggled against Luis. However there is no doubt in my mind that Cortez pulled a hack job in that fight. Quite possibly the worst job I have ever seen. Thats not an excuse but a fact and if the rolls were reversed I'd being saying the same thing. Would it have changed the outcome? Of course it would have and I'm not saying that Ricky would have won. Collazo as you rightly point out was/is just a bad style for Ricky and he's a southpaw to boot.
Collazo would have been trouble for Ricky Hatton in any weight division. Ricky will always struggle with slick, thinking boxers who aren't intimidated or bullied by him. That's just how it is. (I'm sure Philosopher can scour BoxRec to find some slick boxers like Carlos Maussa that Hatton defeated in the past but Ricky will always struggle with upper echelon slick boxers).
So where did this myth come from? Was Ricky expected to beat Collazo and Floyd with ease or something? I'm confused. These are two world class fighters we're judging him on.
Most people even non Hatton fans believed Hatton would beat Collazo convincingly. I don't really know any Hatton fans that suggested Ricky would beat Floyd with ease on any forum.
I feel that he and his fans think 140 was his best weight because 1) He could bully his opponents a bit more by drying himself into the weight (inducing herpes and all sorts usually on his mouth come weigh-in time!).
Again, I don't think weight is a valid excuse for his failings. One could easily argue that given his ballooning in-between fights that 147 is actually safer.
2) He never fought fighters like Collazo or Floyd at 140. Kosta Tsuyu was still game when he fought Ricky and of course, that was his best performance..but on the flip side he also got brutally KO'd at 140 by Manny Pacquiao so it could easily just be said he struggled with his higher calibur opponents.
No I cant agree with that entirely. That Manny fight was a train wreck the moment he hired Sr and fired Graham. Ricky became star struck and left the most important tool in the box back in his dressing room namely his head. In a nutshell he fought stupid and paid the ultimate price.
I'm trying to come at this as neutral as possible and I have the utmost respect Ricky for getting rid of Warren at the right time to pursue the toughest challenges in America (Something JC never did until his very last, meaningless fight). Never ANY shame in losing to the absolute best like he did. I just wonder whether Ricky and fans look at him with rose-tinted glasses.
As stated earlier the success imo effected Ricky when his appeal crossed the pond and it had a trickle down effect ending with his performance. Not sure who Calzaghe could have fought that he didn't at 168. Simply put there was really no threat to Joe when he peaked at that weight on these shores. Lacy was the best of the lot and was supposed to take Joe out but we all know what happened. Shortly after of course Lacy was given bum status. No idea how Ricky views himself. Would like to think that I can be fair and objective where he is concerned.
What are your thoughts? Will you change your mind if Ricky puts on a performance in his comeback at 147 in November?
I wanted him to stay retired and I think he will definitely show some ring rust. I'm not expecting to much but hoping for the best.
Those are my thoughts.
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Hatton had great success until he became involved in this p4p crap and was left crumpled in a corner in one fight and stretched out like a board in another. Kicking ass at 140 didn't appeal to him anymore so he thought he'd broaden his horizons and was beaten by the best.
I'm not pissed that Hatten needed to test himself against Floyd or Manny, and I'm not pissed at Floyd and Manny for doing what they do. I do think Hatton would have been a hell of a lot better off if he had stayed at 140. I'm just giving my opinion that he should stay at 140.
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Althugz
Why are the two fights Ricky had at 147 perceived to mean that he wasn't comfortable there? He fought Luis Collazo and Floyd Mayweather, two fighters who probably would have beaten him at 140 as well. I don't see the Floyd fight going any differently if it was at 140. Floyd was still an offensive beast at 140 who wasn't afraid to let his hands go. I predict it would have ended earlier at that weight.
I'm a die hard Hatton fan and always will be but I never used the weight as an excuse as to why he lost to Floyd and why he struggled against Luis. However there is no doubt in my mind that Cortez pulled a hack job in that fight. Quite possibly the worst job I have ever seen. Thats not an excuse but a fact and if the rolls were reversed I'd being saying the same thing. Would it have changed the outcome? Of course it would have and I'm not saying that Ricky would have won. Collazo as you rightly point out was/is just a bad style for Ricky and he's a southpaw to boot.
Collazo would have been trouble for Ricky Hatton in any weight division. Ricky will always struggle with slick, thinking boxers who aren't intimidated or bullied by him. That's just how it is. (I'm sure Philosopher can scour BoxRec to find some slick boxers like Carlos Maussa that Hatton defeated in the past but Ricky will always struggle with upper echelon slick boxers).
So where did this myth come from? Was Ricky expected to beat Collazo and Floyd with ease or something? I'm confused. These are two world class fighters we're judging him on.
Most people even non Hatton fans believed Hatton would beat Collazo convincingly. I don't really know any Hatton fans that suggested Ricky would beat Floyd with ease on any forum.
I feel that he and his fans think 140 was his best weight because 1) He could bully his opponents a bit more by drying himself into the weight (inducing herpes and all sorts usually on his mouth come weigh-in time!).
Again, I don't think weight is a valid excuse for his failings. One could easily argue that given his ballooning in-between fights that 147 is actually safer.
2) He never fought fighters like Collazo or Floyd at 140. Kosta Tsuyu was still game when he fought Ricky and of course, that was his best performance..but on the flip side he also got brutally KO'd at 140 by Manny Pacquiao so it could easily just be said he struggled with his higher calibur opponents.
No I cant agree with that entirely. That Manny fight was a train wreck the moment he hired Sr and fired Graham. Ricky became star struck and left the most important tool in the box back in his dressing room namely his head. In a nutshell he fought stupid and paid the ultimate price.
I'm trying to come at this as neutral as possible and I have the utmost respect Ricky for getting rid of Warren at the right time to pursue the toughest challenges in America (Something JC never did until his very last, meaningless fight). Never ANY shame in losing to the absolute best like he did. I just wonder whether Ricky and fans look at him with rose-tinted glasses.
As stated earlier the success imo effected Ricky when his appeal crossed the pond and it had a trickle down effect ending with his performance. Not sure who Calzaghe could have fought that he didn't at 168. Simply put there was really no threat to Joe when he peaked at that weight on these shores. Lacy was the best of the lot and was supposed to take Joe out but we all know what happened. Shortly after of course Lacy was given bum status. No idea how Ricky views himself. Would like to think that I can be fair and objective where he is concerned.
What are your thoughts? Will you change your mind if Ricky puts on a performance in his comeback at 147 in November?
I wanted him to stay retired and I think he will definitely show some ring rust. I'm not expecting to much but hoping for the best.
Those are my thoughts.
Thanks!
Only part I'm not convinced about is that the hiring of Floyd Sr was a bad thing..because his first fight under Floyd Sr he fought Malignagi and looked the best I've ever seen him. Head movement, foot movements, composure, defence, countering..it all came together.
I know it's documented that his camp for Pacquiao was a troubled one but I highly doubt Floyd Sr would ever have sent Ricky out against Manny with the strategy that he did and Ricky should take responsibility for that. It was a really bad judgement call by Hatton in that fight.
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Why do i get dragged into the opening post? I won't dignify u with my thoughts because u can't have a debate without telling someone u 'came' on one of there parents!
Oh don't cry because I countered your irrelevant insult about me wearing "woodstain" with an equally irrelevant jibe back at you. :)
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I guess Fatton will be comfy at heavyweight right now. ;D
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He was a smallish lightwelter weight and even smaller welterweight. His strength won't be much of a factor at 147, making him a bit of an unfortunate infighter.
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He was a smallish lightwelter weight and even smaller welterweight. His strength won't be much of a factor at 147, making him a bit of an unfortunate infighter.
I definitely wouldn't say he was a small light welter. He almost looked drained at times at 140. Those cold sore outbreaks he used to get on weigh in days are a sure sign of his lowered immune system..possibly due to weight drain?
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LOL@ this guy! The triumph of sugar over diabetes.
Can we have another 'yo moma' quip althugz?
Collazo beat hatton. Please post your scorecard because collazo winning 6 rounds would still be a hatton win due to the KD! Please don't tell me hatton won 5 rounds! LOL.
Collazo wasn't robbed. He lost a close fight. He should look no further than his bout against Jose Antonio Rivera, in which Collazo won the belt in the first place. How did he do it? On a split decision in an even closer fight than hatton! Hatton deserves props for a great fight, against a top fighter on american soil @ 147!
'Althugz' does what it says on the tin!
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LOL@ this guy! The triumph of sugar over diabetes.
Can we have another 'yo moma' quip althugz?
Collazo beat hatton. Please post your scorecard because collazo winning 6 rounds would still be a hatton win due to the KD! Please don't tell me hatton won 5 rounds! LOL.
Collazo wasn't robbed. He lost a close fight. He should look no further than his bout against Jose Antonio Rivera, in which Collazo won the belt in the first place. How did he do it? On a split decision in an even closer fight than hatton! Hatton deserves props for a great fight, against a top fighter on american soil @ 147!
'Althugz' does what it says on the tin!
Hatton takes risks and ducks no one. Much props to his return and i hope he does not blow up between fights.
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He was a smallish lightwelter weight and even smaller welterweight. His strength won't be much of a factor at 147, making him a bit of an unfortunate infighter.
I definitely wouldn't say he was a small light welter. He almost looked drained at times at 140. Those cold sore outbreaks he used to get on weigh in days are a sure sign of his lowered immune system..possibly due to weight drain?
True but he was never physical big at the weight come fight night. Case in point - Castillo who was a monster at135 was a lot bigger than Hatton come fight night. Hatton is not a physically awesome guy at 140 and looked deminutive against even Floyd Mayweather at 147.
If Hatton had of fought Katsidids, I doubt there'd of been much if anything between them.
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Jimanuel Boogustus
He was a smallish lightwelter weight and even smaller welterweight. His strength won't be much of a factor at 147, making him a bit of an unfortunate infighter.
I definitely wouldn't say he was a small light welter. He almost looked drained at times at 140. Those cold sore outbreaks he used to get on weigh in days are a sure sign of his lowered immune system..possibly due to weight drain?
True but he was never physical big at the weight come fight night. Case in point - Castillo who was a monster at135 was a lot bigger than Hatton come fight night. Hatton is not a physically awesome guy at 140 and looked deminutive against even Floyd Mayweather at 147.
If Hatton had of fought Katsidids, I doubt there'd of been much if anything between them.
Castillo was not bigger then Hatton on fight night. That is a crock. And Floyd Mayweather walks around within 5 pounds of his weigh in and he fights at that weight. Hatton looked gaunt at 147.
This notion that Hatton was the shrimp of the division is ridiculous.
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LOL@ this guy! The triumph of sugar over diabetes.
Can we have another 'yo moma' quip althugz?
Collazo beat hatton. Please post your scorecard because collazo winning 6 rounds would still be a hatton win due to the KD! Please don't tell me hatton won 5 rounds! LOL.
Collazo wasn't robbed. He lost a close fight. He should look no further than his bout against Jose Antonio Rivera, in which Collazo won the belt in the first place. How did he do it? On a split decision in an even closer fight than hatton! Hatton deserves props for a great fight, against a top fighter on american soil @ 147!
'Althugz' does what it says on the tin!
I'm so glad I have to waste such little time proving what a bellend you are when you do it so easily yourself..
Read my reply to Fenster..I said that I thought Hatton won the fight contrary to popular belief of the forum? :/ I only ever said he struggled.
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Hatton struggled at 147 because he fought two fighters who were technically better, had faster hands and threw punches in combinations. If he'd have fought those same guys at 140 he would have encountered the same problems because he has basic defensive flaws that have been glossed over by fighting 35 or so spoon fed opponents. Warren kept him away from that kind of fighter because he knows what he's doing.
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I'm so glad I have to waste such little time proving what a bellend you are when you do it so easily yourself..
Read my reply to Fenster..I said that I thought Hatton won the fight contrary to popular belief of the forum? :/ I only ever said he struggled
Your original post: "He fought Luis Collazo and Floyd Mayweather, two fighters who probably would have beaten him at 140 as well!" That implies u thought hatton lost! Another thinly veiled 'althugz' attempt at doing down fighter's he pretend's to admire...U should be a little less vague in your original posts and not expect ppl to waste there time on your response's to other posters! @ 140 it would have been easier for hatton vs collazo btw!
Let's be honest though, any credibility u had went out of the window the moment u brought my mother into a debate! I mean a 'yo moma' quip...really?? How old are you! It is clear to me now that i obviously got under your skin on a previous thread and u being a sensitive little pincushion have decided to pursue a vendetta against a few words on a computer screen! Tragic! LOL. This is just a boxing forum cupcake, who are u trying to impress? Do u feel tougher calling ppl 'bellends' on the internet? It's not my fault u have a tiny penis (When in rome folks!) and have to compensate for that with excessive creatine usage and by lifting things Up n Down...Up n Down...All day long! Self masturbation mate, u heard of it??
I was curious as to why a grown man would cake his entire body in max factor's latest range of blusher that's all! It was a reasonable question considering u feel the need to post the end result in your avatar. Do u want to be black or something? Anyway i apologise for any offense caused and i hope u find some 16 yr old u can have your internet fight with! Hope we can start again ;)....
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He was a smallish lightwelter weight and even smaller welterweight. His strength won't be much of a factor at 147, making him a bit of an unfortunate infighter.
I definitely wouldn't say he was a small light welter. He almost looked drained at times at 140. Those cold sore outbreaks he used to get on weigh in days are a sure sign of his lowered immune system..possibly due to weight drain?
True but he was never physical big at the weight come fight night. Case in point - Castillo who was a monster at135 was a lot bigger than Hatton come fight night. Hatton is not a physically awesome guy at 140 and looked deminutive against even Floyd Mayweather at 147.
If Hatton had of fought Katsidids, I doubt there'd of been much if anything between them.
Castillo was not bigger then Hatton on fight night. That is a crock. And Floyd Mayweather walks around within 5 pounds of his weigh in and he fights at that weight. Hatton looked gaunt at 147.
This notion that Hatton was the shrimp of the division is ridiculous.
Yet Floyd looked bigger than him come fight night. That's my point. Not how they walk around prior. What use is that? And in regards to Castillo... I'll prove it later tonight.
Stay tuned.
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OK let's say the word "comfortable" doesn't apply I'll just use the word "effective". Ricky Hatton was never "effective" at 147......are you happy now?
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I'm so glad I have to waste such little time proving what a bellend you are when you do it so easily yourself..
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Read my reply to Fenster..I said that I thought Hatton won the fight contrary to popular belief of the forum? :/ I only ever said he struggled
Your original post: "He fought Luis Collazo and Floyd Mayweather, two fighters who probably would have beaten him at 140 as well!" That implies u thought hatton lost! Another thinly veiled 'althugz' attempt at doing down fighter's he pretend's to admire...U should be a little less vague in your original posts and not expect ppl to waste there time on your response's to other posters! @ 140 it would have been easier for hatton vs collazo btw!
Let's be honest though, any credibility u had went out of the window the moment u brought my mother into a debate! I mean a 'yo moma' quip...really?? How old are you! It is clear to me now that i obviously got under your skin on a previous thread and u being a sensitive little pincushion have decided to pursue a vendetta against a few words on a computer screen! Tragic! LOL. This is just a boxing forum cupcake, who are u trying to impress? Do u feel tougher calling ppl 'bellends' on the internet? It's not my fault u have a tiny penis (When in rome folks!) and have to compensate for that with excessive creatine usage and by lifting things Up n Down...Up n Down...All day long! Self masturbation mate, u heard of it??
I was curious as to why a grown man would cake his entire body in max factor's latest range of blusher that's all! It was a reasonable question considering u feel the need to post the end result in your avatar. Do u want to be black or something? Anyway i apologise for any offense caused and i hope u find some 16 yr old u can have your internet fight with! Hope we can start again ;)....
Damn...... and I thought I needed to switch to decaf.....
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OK let's say the word "comfortable" doesn't apply I'll just use the word "effective". Ricky Hatton was never "effective" at 147......are you happy now?
I'm always happy Lyle - Would he have been more "effective" against Floyd or Collazo at 140? I personally don't think so. If so, how? Floyd was even more of a beast at 140 so we can accurately hypothesise how that fight would have gone. Collazo has always been a welter so we can only speculate but I thought his style was simply troubling for Ricky.
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I'm so glad I have to waste such little time proving what a bellend you are when you do it so easily yourself..
Read my reply to Fenster..I said that I thought Hatton won the fight contrary to popular belief of the forum? :/ I only ever said he struggled
Your original post: "He fought Luis Collazo and Floyd Mayweather, two fighters who probably would have beaten him at 140 as well!" That implies u thought hatton lost! Another thinly veiled 'althugz' attempt at doing down fighter's he pretend's to admire...U should be a little less vague in your original posts and not expect ppl to waste there time on your response's to other posters! @ 140 it would have been easier for hatton vs collazo btw!
Let's be honest though, any credibility u had went out of the window the moment u brought my mother into a debate! I mean a 'yo moma' quip...really?? How old are you! It is clear to me now that i obviously got under your skin on a previous thread and u being a sensitive little pincushion have decided to pursue a vendetta against a few words on a computer screen! Tragic! LOL. This is just a boxing forum cupcake, who are u trying to impress? Do u feel tougher calling ppl 'bellends' on the internet? It's not my fault u have a tiny penis (When in rome folks!) and have to compensate for that with excessive creatine usage and by lifting things Up n Down...Up n Down...All day long! Self masturbation mate, u heard of it??
I was curious as to why a grown man would cake his entire body in max factor's latest range of blusher that's all! It was a reasonable question considering u feel the need to post the end result in your avatar. Do u want to be black or something? Anyway i apologise for any offense caused and i hope u find some 16 yr old u can have your internet fight with! Hope we can start again ;)....
Wow..again, I need not say anything. I just hope everybody can see the immense irony in your post ;D
Feel free to call me out on that other board if you have an issue instead of crying on my thread making irrelevant rants.
We're trying to have a discussion over here which has so far remained adult and on-topic. Thanks matey!
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He was a smallish lightwelter weight and even smaller welterweight. His strength won't be much of a factor at 147, making him a bit of an unfortunate infighter.
I definitely wouldn't say he was a small light welter. He almost looked drained at times at 140. Those cold sore outbreaks he used to get on weigh in days are a sure sign of his lowered immune system..possibly due to weight drain?
True but he was never physical big at the weight come fight night. Case in point - Castillo who was a monster at135 was a lot bigger than Hatton come fight night. Hatton is not a physically awesome guy at 140 and looked deminutive against even Floyd Mayweather at 147.
If Hatton had of fought Katsidids, I doubt there'd of been much if anything between them.
Castillo was not bigger then Hatton on fight night. That is a crock. And Floyd Mayweather walks around within 5 pounds of his weigh in and he fights at that weight. Hatton looked gaunt at 147.
This notion that Hatton was the shrimp of the division is ridiculous.
I agree with this. Also from the time Billy Graham and Hatton said that "Ricky is bigger than Floyd and if you're not bigger than Ricky, then you're in trouble!" then the weight card must go out the window, surely?
From some of the replies I think people are reading into this like it's a Hatton hate thread. I don't hate Hatton. I dislike his fighting style and can't particularly relate to him as a person but I have immense respect for him for seeking out all challengers after becoming a world champion. He is one of, it not the most popular British fighters of all time and although I disliked his style, that doesn't mean I think his style was ineffective. It was very effective and he was damn good at executing it. It simply wasn't to my personal taste.
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Re: The "Hatton was never comfortable at 147" myth..
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I'm always happy Lyle - Would he have been more "effective" against Floyd or Collazo at 140? I personally don't think so. If so, how? Floyd was even more of a beast at 140 so we can accurately hypotesise how that fight would have gone. Collazo has always been a welter so we can only speculate but I thought his style was simply troubling for Ricky.
It depends really. I think the fighters you mention are different altogether. Floyd is P4P one of the best & Collazo never would fight at 140. Now we could take some guys Hatton fought or could have fought at 140 that mimicked those styles and we can talk.
Ricky Hatton fought Paulie Malinaggi at 140 already and it was an orthodox pressure fighter vs a slick southpaw & Ricky did pretty damn good. Ricky was up 99-91 on all 3 cards & stopped Paulie in 11. Versus Collazo Ricky was held at bay the entire fight and failed to impress at all.
This Senchenko guy Ricky is supposed to fight seems a bit weak having read what happened in the fight vs Paulie....so maybe Ricky can dominate, he certainly should.
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I'm always happy Lyle - Would he have been more "effective" against Floyd or Collazo at 140? I personally don't think so. If so, how? Floyd was even more of a beast at 140 so we can accurately hypotesise how that fight would have gone. Collazo has always been a welter so we can only speculate but I thought his style was simply troubling for Ricky.
It depends really. I think the fighters you mention are different altogether. Floyd is P4P one of the best & Collazo never would fight at 140. Now we could take some guys Hatton fought or could have fought at 140 that mimicked those styles and we can talk.
Ricky Hatton fought Paulie Malinaggi at 140 already and it was an orthodox pressure fighter vs a slick southpaw & Ricky did pretty damn good. Ricky was up 99-91 on all 3 cards & stopped Paulie in 11. Versus Collazo Ricky was held at bay the entire fight and failed to impress at all.
This Senchenko guy Ricky is supposed to fight seems a bit weak having read what happened in the fight vs Paulie....so maybe Ricky can dominate, he certainly should.
I don't think it's at all fair to compare Collazo and Mallignagi - They both lack power is about the only similarity I see. I don't find Mallignagi a slick fighter at all, he seems quite easy to hit in every fight I've seen and just uses his legs and reach from what I see. Collazo was awkward as hell. He could fight inside and hit you from awkward angles.
But yeah, I agree his comeback should answer many questions about where he is at this point and how much, if any toll his lifestyle has taken from him
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Wow..again, I need not say anything. I just hope everybody can see the immense irony in your post
It would have been ironic had i not been aware of what i was writing but seen as i included the old saying 'But when in rome'....
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Feel free to call me out on that other board if you have an issue instead of crying on my thread making irrelevant rants.
What is this 8 mile!! U infant.
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We're trying to have a discussion over here which has so far remained adult and on-topic. Thanks matey!
Post 32. LOL. Try to be consistant. One big fail again.
With regards to the topic at hand...Was hatton the same fighter at 147? Well collazo was a short notice opponent i believe after lazcano pulled out, so ricky (even though he won) had little time to study collazo, so had to adjust in the ring! Collazo is a southpaw and they are trickier fighters too! Collazo is one of hattons more underrated win's considering the circumstances!
The best 'physically' ive seen ricky was vs tszyu @ 140. The problem is his body wouldn't let him stay at 140 so the advantages he had at that weight diminished a little at 147. I wouldn't say he was uncomfortable at 147 but it is clear to anyone with A HEAD that hattons home was 140 (The manny fight should never have happened, he was over trained and over the hill!) Prime hatton @ 140 was a fighter to be reckoned with...but u can't produce those TSZYU type performances every in his prime fight! Respect must be given.
Truth be told though hatton was on a slow and steady decline post tszyu, his style of fighting, his lifestyle and his media darlingship all caught up with him slowly! Did hatton fight a prime tszyu and castillo? no. Did manny and floyd fight a prime hatton? no. It all works both ways.
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I never understood how "140 being his best weight" was relevant at all in regards to the Floyd fight. Floyd had no problem making 140, it was Ricky who had to cut a ton of weight to get down there.
Seems it just made it easier for him to fight at 147.
