Has Wlad taken something from david haye after that fight?
Is david relunctant to take wlad again?
David haye could well be the next heavyweight champion of the world but where did he go wrong in that terrible outing last time.
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Has Wlad taken something from david haye after that fight?
Is david relunctant to take wlad again?
David haye could well be the next heavyweight champion of the world but where did he go wrong in that terrible outing last time.
Wlad just showed the world what a punk David Haye was. Years and years of talk and Mr. "I'm gonna decapitate him" was flopping on the canvas like a fish out of water. Haye did one of the most pathetic things a professional fighter can do.....he looked to the ref to help him win the fight or at least not get KO'd.
David Haye is a sad pathetic little bastard and he wants FAME not boxing.
David Haye will never have a career defining fight.
In saying that, what I mean is he has yet to have a fight that makes us want to see him fight again.
As of now, he will be remembered for that performance against Wlad where he kept throwing himself at the floor like a toddler having a tantrum.
His best performances are Macaranelli (who couldnt do that?) Mormeck (had been stopped by O Neil Bell) and Chisora (not a fantastic opponent but a decent result).
Like I said though, right now he is known as the "toe man";D
He might never beat Wladimir, but as many of the posters on Saddo have said for a while, David Haye could clear out the division, other than Wladimir. It would help his legacy. The foes he could face and possibly beat: Joe Hanks, Kurat Pulev, Deontay Wilder, Denis Boystov, Bryant Jennings, Cris Arreola, Bermaine Stiverne, Malik Scott, and Jonathan Banks. Wins over a few of them would serve his legacy well.
But a loss to one of those guys on the other hand....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I don't think Wlad took anything from Haye. He just defeated him, he didn't dish out a beating in any way, it was just a clear Wlad decision and other than a little hurt pride, I don't think it has effected Haye on a massive scale.
Lyle is very bias on this and his hatred towards Haye kind of leads him to say things harsher than they actually need to be. He called the Wlad-Haye fight perfectly for years though so I have alot of respect for that. Either way you look at it Haye turned up for the payday rather than the glory. It pissed alot of us Brits off though because it is very clear that Haye's skillset is capable of much more than this once a year "talk a fight" parade we are given. My belief is still that Haye could clean out the division, but I don't believe he really wants to do it.
Most of them posters don't know shit about boxingQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Very fair post about the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
I think Haye realized almost immediately that the task at hand was quite different then what he saw endlessly no doubt in the Purity and Sanders fights. I think Haye turned up for the payday shortly after the first bell. It was simply not the same fighter he watched on tape. He was my biggest let down with that performance since Kirk Johnson met Vitali. He never even tried to get under the jab with a blister hook. Peter did it and he is about as fast as a leatherback turtle.
As far as "Lyle's" prediction goes I cant really comment because I was not all that active here at the time. I never even knew who Lyle was to be frank until recently. Now I know its Mr. Kabong. I'll continue to call him El. I enjoy his non sugar coated approach and in hindsight he's spot on and I'm not convinced that hate has anything to do with it. Hayes a blowhard who has no connection to legacy. And he fooled me completely.
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Originally Posted by bzkfn
See here's the thing. If Haye thought he could do it, he would be trying to do just that. But by holding out for a Klitschko, he's telling the world he doesn't think he can grind his way through the top contenders. Whether he could or not is irrelevant. And he does himself no favors (with Brits or otherwise), by shooting his mouth with empty promises.
What happened was 2 outside fighters met on he world stage and ruined one of the biggest fights of the year.
David Haye tried to look for the 1 shot to drop Wlad (which it would have) and he never found it. He was cautious of Wlads power, too cautious.
Positives for Haye.
-he proved he has a good chin that can be hit repeatedly by a solid puncher.
Wlad did what Wlad does well, avoids getting hit and fired his jab straight all night.
i was in benedorm on a stag do and i put 1 bet on the fight, 5 euros on wlad by UD
won myself 35
haye takes all of the blame for the fight, and perhaps he deserves a lot of it after he promised so much (wlad also promised a KO though and jabbed and held)
but wlad has been fighting the same causious back foot avoid getting hit way for years
yeah haye contributed to making a big HW title fight boring, wlad does that a couple of times a year
Couldn't agree more with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
No he didn't (;D) - Wlad was going to take the fight to Haye, punish him and look spectacular with a KO victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
If haye gets to fight Wlad again he needs to make it a 3 round fight and bring it for every round.
Wlad hates fighters and haye can punch but needs to let them go.
He disgraced himself last time and a rematch cant get any worse!
Yeah, sort of go for broke? Haye has nothing to lose. So make it a brawl.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
If Haye catches Wlad with the type of shot that rocked Valuev then he will put him out cold.
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Originally Posted by FensterNo he didn't (;D) - Wlad was going to take the fight to Haye, punish him and look spectacular with a KO victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
It became a contest of who could sink the lowest from pre-fight expectations.
It was close... but Haye won. ;)
nicely summed upQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterNo he didn't (;D) - Wlad was going to take the fight to Haye, punish him and look spectacular with a KO victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
It became a contest of who could sink the lowest from pre-fight expectations.
It was close... but Haye won. ;)
actually tho, should haye have been given a slight handicap?
fighting away from home against a giant?
Adam booth needs to install this gameplan into haye next time as this is his only chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosYeah, sort of go for broke? Haye has nothing to lose. So make it a brawl.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
If Haye catches Wlad with the type of shot that rocked Valuev then he will put him out cold.
Well it wasn't really close. Haye won by a mile. He fooled even hardcore fans into believing they were about to see the second coming. Wlad was just his usual self (dull).Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterNo he didn't (;D) - Wlad was going to take the fight to Haye, punish him and look spectacular with a KO victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
It became a contest of who could sink the lowest from pre-fight expectations.
It was close... but Haye won. ;)
Did you mean David Hype? Some of you Brits must really love this clown, because never has a "big name" fighter gotten so much attention, while accomplishing so little.
It's sad to see some of you still hanging on haye's nuts and/or still buying the hype.
Haye put in a dismall performance against Wlad. Haye tried landing the big punch but Wlad is a lot better than that now. Wlad owned Haye in the pre-fight hype and Haye made a complete prat of himself with his toe injury.
Haye wants to beat Vitali who is slow and aged a lot recently and then make amends and put a better effort against Wlad if he beat his brother Vitali.
Haye wouldn't beat Vitali if he was 60, and if he fought Wlad again, he gets crushed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
The only reason Haye will ever get a fight with either Klitschko Bro is money, because he damn sure hasn't earned it in the ring. The same suckers who paid to see Haye lose to Wlad the 1st time will be throwing their money away again. Fools never learn.
Yea it's amazing. Haye has beaten no one as a heavyweight yet many people rank him 3rd. Would he honestly beat a top 10 heavyweight? And if so why hasn't he yet? I think he woul beat Povetkin, Wilder, Adamek but why is he not pursuing these fights?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Because he does not trust his chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYea it's amazing. Haye has beaten no one as a heavyweight yet many people rank him 3rd. Would he honestly beat a top 10 heavyweight? And if so why hasn't he yet? I think he woul beat Povetkin, Wilder, Adamek but why is he not pursuing these fights?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Because he's loaded and doesn't have to risk his chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBecause he does not trust his chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYea it's amazing. Haye has beaten no one as a heavyweight yet many people rank him 3rd. Would he honestly beat a top 10 heavyweight? And if so why hasn't he yet? I think he woul beat Povetkin, Wilder, Adamek but why is he not pursuing these fights?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Eh, why work for a title shot with a Klitschko like everyone else has to, when you know because of the money it would generate, you'll eventually get one anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYea it's amazing. Haye has beaten no one as a heavyweight yet many people rank him 3rd. Would he honestly beat a top 10 heavyweight? And if so why hasn't he yet? I think he would beat Povetkin, Wilder, Adamek but why is he not pursuing these fights?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
He must be a bit short in the bank account at the moment then?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterBecause he's loaded and doesn't have to risk his chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBecause he does not trust his chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYea it's amazing. Haye has beaten no one as a heavyweight yet many people rank him 3rd. Would he honestly beat a top 10 heavyweight? And if so why hasn't he yet? I think he woul beat Povetkin, Wilder, Adamek but why is he not pursuing these fights?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
I'm still amazed that Haye's next fight isn't against Thompson.
Thompson has been booked by Price, Haye should fight Fury that would be a belter.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
Surely there had to be a level of foot in mouth disease and embarrassment that stuck with him. He looked a fool after all the constant and loud blather he put out. He just cannot get out of his own way as far as career momentum.
this isnt true, it happens over and over againQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
boxing is all about hype
In 1 fight yeah, but he was undisputed Cruiserweight Champion and jumped up to win a version of the Heavyweight title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Plus in your statement you said never has a big name fighter done this. What about Naz?
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Originally Posted by erics44this isnt true, it happens over and over againQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
boxing is all about hype
And when the actions follow, and back up the hype, all is well and good.
But when it doesn't, it rings hollow and makes the fighter look like a fool.
Fans that continue to buy the "snake-oil salesman" pitch don't look too good, either.
you are right, the outcome of this kind of hype around a fighter varies from hyped fighter to hyped fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44this isnt true, it happens over and over againQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
boxing is all about hype
And when the actions follow, and back up the hype, all is well and good.
But when it doesn't, it rings hollow and makes the fighter look like a fool.
Fans that continue to buy the "snake-oil salesman" pitch don't look too good, either.
and in the example of david haye a lot of people switched off to his potential following the wlad fight and are very angry about how he performed (you seem to be one of these)
there are a lot of people who still believe haye is the best chance (in a shit crop of fighters) we have got to seeing a klit toppled , i am also of this opinion as slim as this chance is
yeah haye didnt perform in that fight, but if we analise the fight and only the fight, haye was away from home fighting a man several inches taller, a lot heavier, with many more world title fights of that magnitude under his belt in comparison, and if your honest you would agree the refereeing isnt exactly neutral, and haye still landed more punches than most, maybe next time with the extra experience he could get a little bit closer :)
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Originally Posted by erics44you are right, the outcome of this kind of hype around a fighter varies from hyped fighter to hyped fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44this isnt true, it happens over and over againQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
boxing is all about hype
And when the actions follow, and back up the hype, all is well and good.
But when it doesn't, it rings hollow and makes the fighter look like a fool.
Fans that continue to buy the "snake-oil salesman" pitch don't look too good, either.
and in the example of david haye a lot of people switched off to his potential following the wlad fight and are very angry about how he performed (you seem to be one of these)
there are a lot of people who still believe haye is the best chance (in a shit crop of fighters) we have got to seeing a klit toppled , i am also of this opinion as slim as this chance is
yeah haye didnt perform in that fight, but if we analise the fight and only the fight, haye was away from home fighting a man several inches taller, a lot heavier, with many more world title fights of that magnitude under his belt in comparison, and if your honest you would agree the refereeing isnt exactly neutral, and haye still landed more punches than most, maybe next time with the extra experience he could get a little bit closer :)
I'm more of a boxing fan, than a Haye hater. I'm also hanging on to a shred of hope that the heavyweight division will somehow surprise me, and at least get off the bottom of the barrel, as it has been for the last decade and a half or so.
Haye's talented... I've never said otherwise. But he talked too much shit without even trying to back it up when he finally got in the ring with Wlad. After that he's made a lot of noise about wanting no one else but a Klitschko..... a slap in the face of all the other heavies out there who have been toiling in the trenches trying to earn a shot at a Klitschko.
If Haye drops his act and starts taking on top contenders and working his way toward a possible redemption, I'll very likely change my view of him. And since I'm dying for the heavyweight division to scrape itself off the bottom.... I'll cheer for anyone who can give a Klitschko (mostly Wlad) the competitive fight I've been so desperate to see.
As much as Haye disapointed everyone in that fight (i was as irritated by it as anyone) do you think there's anyone in the world with a better chance of beating Wlad than haye?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by erics44As much as Haye disapointed everyone in that fight (i was as irritated by it as anyone) do you think there's anyone in the world with a better chance of beating Wlad than haye?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
It's probable that one or two of these (giant) prospects might be able to give Wlad a good, competitive fight, and even hurt him. But the time it's taking to sort these out is unbearably frustrating. If it's not the Wilders of the division, doing their best Cesar Chavez Jr. imitations (fighting bums)..... it's the injuries and mysterious inactive spells. Then you get a promising fighter (Price) who stumbles out of the gate. I for one think he's not done by any means..... but then again he's buddies with Wlad and will never fight him, so what's the point?
As for the chances of Haye beating Wlad? I'm sorry to say that solely based on their one and only fight..... it's like the snowball's chance in hell. And don't lean on the size difference so much. It's not like it's the first time a small heavyweight has been in there with a large heavyweight. It's not the size of the body. It's the size of the heart.
it sounds like we both want to see the same thing, and thats wlad in a fightQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I agree Hayes chances are minimal although I think his performance isnt judged fairly because of the build up
you didnt really answer my question tho which suggests to me you agree, hayes minimal chances are the best weve got
i honestly think haye is the only man with the combination of skill speed and power to land the punch, i dont see wilder fury or price causing wlad much problems at all at the minute
pulev looks good and perhaps has the chance, he doesnt seem to be a big enough hitter tho, although do you need to be to put wlad away
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Originally Posted by erics44it sounds like we both want to see the same thing, and thats wlad in a fightQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I agree Hayes chances are minimal although I think his performance isnt judged fairly because of the build up
you didnt really answer my question tho which suggests to me you agree, hayes minimal chances are the best weve got
i honestly think haye is the only man with the combination of skill speed and power to land the punch, i dont see wilder fury or price causing wlad much problems at all at the minute
pulev looks good and perhaps has the chance, he doesnt seem to be a big enough hitter tho, although do you need to be to put wlad away
But Haye hasn't done much to earn a rematch with Wlad, eric. Demanding to fight no one but a Klitschko isn't the way to get it done. He had his chance... and blew it. He personally hyped the fight to much more than what it turned out to be..... infamously blamed a big toe for the lack of performance..... and now still insists on his prima donna act.
Yes... I want to see Wlad in a fight in the worst way. I was hoping we'd get that from Haye. It didn't happen. And now..... it's "back of the line" for Haye. I don't believe in special treatments. Just because the division is made up of so much riff-raff, doesn't mean Haye gets a free pass while other, toiling HW's have to wait their turn. That's like Thompson getting a third crack at Wlad. I wouldn't want that either.