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R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
It sickens me, that so many deluded fools give this guy so much credit for such fraudulent accomplishments. I have a lot of respect for REAL fighters and it just pisses me off when an actor like Bruce Lee is known to be such a great fighter but never went through the hell real fighters go through in training and in real fights.
Am I alone in this? I can't stand this nonsense with traditional martial arts and all the money they are making on cowards who never get into real fight or never even go through the hell encountered in training like a pro fighter.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
So your problem isn't with the man himself, but with some of the crazed fans who are obsessive?
The man wasn't a professional fighter.
And those kind of irrational fans are basically idiots.
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Anyway, the man himself must be respected.
Self-defense instructor who became an iconic action film actor that popularized combat systems worldwide, influencing literally unknown millions and generations upon generations of people, especially the Chinese.
And his concepts still hold water.
What he taught wasn't anything like his films.
What he taught was what he had determined to be functional.
His movies were just flashy showmanship, being a good entertainer.
Forget the fame aspect and film showmanship, and see this guy as a man on a journey, analyzing combat systems.
He certainly wasn't the first to say a man must be able to fight at all ranges and cross-train, but he popularized the concept greater than anybody else, and his tradition-breaking beliefs of the time only got widespread acceptance maybe 30 years after his death. Till then, boxing was the hands, judo was the throws, tae kwon do was mostly kicking, jui-jitsu for the chokes and submissions. There was even a sense of loyalty to certain systems. This guy was a Karate man, this guy was a Gung Fu man, This guy was Hapkido.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
It sickens me, that so many deluded fools give this guy so much credit for such fraudulent accomplishments. I have a lot of respect for REAL fighters and it just pisses me off when an actor like Bruce Lee is known to be such a great fighter but never went through the hell real fighters go through in training and in real fights.
Am I alone in this? I can't stand this nonsense with traditional martial arts and all the money they are making on cowards who never get into real fight or never even go through the hell encountered in training like a pro fighter.
you realise a street fight is not a pro fight with all those nice little rules to protect you right?
I've read a few articles and quotes from Chuck Norris, Gene LeBell and other tourny fighters. JKD is not a tourny martial art the way karate, boxing etc is.
It's a stripped down self defence system. It doesn't have fancy anything. It's a kick you in the balls and punch you in the face if I feel threatened and run off system. Lee has pretty much said this in his own works.
He brought in guys to train with and learn from and incorporate some moves that he considered simple and effective. He saw the need for M.A to be fit hence borrowing from boxing.
He was a great salesman of himself, fans have confused films with reality.
Saying all this, I've been able to use some of his techniques when sparring against other styles BUT if I were looking to fight in MMA I would train MMA.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
Yep, Howlin' Mad Missy mentions Chuck Norris and Gene LeBell, and they respected Lee. Champion kickboxer Joe Lewis and Mike Stone respected him.
Many MMA fighters cite Bruce Lee as why they got into martial arts or that Lee was an influence. Bas Rutten. St.Pierre. Anderson Silva does a killer Lee impersonation. Rickson Gracie.
Sugar Ray Leonard and Manny Pacquiao have said Bruce Lee was a big influence.
These fighters recognized something in this man who died at 32 years old.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
Julius you need to die for what you have said. Bruce beat Chuck Norris. The end.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
You maybe need to educate yourself a little more about Bruce his ethos, accomplishments and achievements before writing him off. You make think that many experienced fighters on this forum and others the world over are deluded fools for admiring and taking inspiration from a man that you will not credit for what you call fraudulent achievements, but you are wrong. Although Martial arts outside of China and the East were practised as far away as the U.K long before Lee, his influence and pivotal role in increasing the western understanding of these systems is massive and unrivalled.
His training methods are really useful for so many disciplines including non combat sports
( check out the excellent " The Art of Expressing the Human Body" ) but the fact that that he is referred to as the father of MMA and respected by extremely accomplished fighters from many disciplines should indicate to you that the guy could really fight. He definitely went through hell in training to reach such a pinnacle of excellence but was never so arrogant to not absorb techniques from other fighting sports like Tae Kwondo and Boxing (check his out his Ali meeting ;D ) in order to evolve and continually improve.
Making money is neither here nor there in establishing whether someone is a coward or not, just as being willing to fight, able to fight or willing to not fight are no hard and fast indications of bravery either.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
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Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
It sickens me, that so many deluded fools give this guy so much credit for such fraudulent accomplishments. I have a lot of respect for REAL fighters and it just pisses me off when an actor like Bruce Lee is known to be such a great fighter but never went through the hell real fighters go through in training and in real fights.
Am I alone in this? I can't stand this nonsense with traditional martial arts and all the money they are making on cowards who never get into real fight or never even go through the hell encountered in training like a pro fighter.
you realise a street fight is not a pro fight with all those nice little rules to protect you right?
I've read a few articles and quotes from Chuck Norris, Gene LeBell and other tourny fighters. JKD is not a tourny martial art the way karate, boxing etc is.
It's a stripped down self defence system. It doesn't have fancy anything. It's a kick you in the balls and punch you in the face if I feel threatened and run off system. Lee has pretty much said this in his own works.
He brought in guys to train with and learn from and incorporate some moves that he considered simple and effective. He saw the need for M.A to be fit hence borrowing from boxing.
He was a great salesman of himself, fans have confused films with reality.
Saying all this, I've been able to use some of his techniques when sparring against other styles BUT if I were looking to fight in MMA I would train MMA.
Yes I realize that :rolleyes: but this is exactly what kung fu people say all the time. Boxing or MMA have rules that protects them :o this is why I believe these guys are nerds cause rules actually make a fight harder hence making a fighter who fights within rules better with rules or without. Its like if you take a boxer out of a right or a mma out of an octagon he or she will not know how to fight because in a street there are no rules? How nerdy does that sound? A boxer or an mma guy will still be the same fighter and still have the more effective strikes.
Gene Lebell put sense into Bruce when he introduce Bruce to wrestling/ ground game. Theses guys respected Bruce and phrase him not because he was a great fighter but because he represented it. It is Bruce who teaches to swim but it is also Bruce who stayed on the shoreline and never did actually swim with these actual shark. Plus JKD is not a fighting style, Dan Inosanto, its just a philosophy. :rolleyes:
I'm not trying to diss Bruce but I think people give him way to much credit for a guy who never got his chin check or went several rounds to test his heart or stamina. He to me was not a fighter he was an icon of traditional martial arts and I think it is becoming more known now that TMA icons are all myth and no physical proof that they were actually great fighters.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
bradlee180
Yep, Howlin' Mad Missy mentions Chuck Norris and Gene LeBell, and they respected Lee. Champion kickboxer Joe Lewis and Mike Stone respected him.
Many MMA fighters cite Bruce Lee as why they got into martial arts or that Lee was an influence. Bas Rutten. St.Pierre. Anderson Silva does a killer Lee impersonation. Rickson Gracie.
Sugar Ray Leonard and Manny Pacquiao have said Bruce Lee was a big influence.
These fighters recognized something in this man who died at 32 years old.
And Bruce never fought any of them. Joe Lewis Mike stone gene lebell even chuck norris would of all wreck bruce in a real fight. There's always been Thai champs that would of love to fight Bruce but Bruce never approach it that way, he wanted to look like a great fighter but never fought!!!! He learned from others which I respect but he taught like he was a great fighter with a long winning streak, he had none. He had a few amateur fights that you can count with one hand. And who did he fight? Nobody known. Bruce held the media title, look cool in movies and make martial arts appealing. This does not make him a great fighter.
Ofcourse many of the REAL fighters were influence by Bruce, we all grew up watching his movies! Ask Bas Rutten if he thinks Bruce would kick his ass. Bas is one of the realist dudes out there. He said the same thing I'm saying about kung fu clowns. Watch his interview with Joe Rogan. He talks about how funny kung fu people are.
Bruce Lee impersonation only shows they were a fan of him, doesn't prove Bruce is a great fighter. He was an actor.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by
bradlee180
Yep, Howlin' Mad Missy mentions Chuck Norris and Gene LeBell, and they respected Lee. Champion kickboxer Joe Lewis and Mike Stone respected him.
Many MMA fighters cite Bruce Lee as why they got into martial arts or that Lee was an influence. Bas Rutten. St.Pierre. Anderson Silva does a killer Lee impersonation. Rickson Gracie.
Sugar Ray Leonard and Manny Pacquiao have said Bruce Lee was a big influence.
These fighters recognized something in this man who died at 32 years old.
And Bruce never fought any of them. Joe Lewis Mike stone gene lebell even chuck norris would of all wreck bruce in a real fight. There's always been Thai champs that would of love to fight Bruce but Bruce never approach it that way, he wanted to look like a great fighter but never fought!!!! He learned from others which I respect but he taught like he was a great fighter with a long winning streak, he had none. He had a few amateur fights that you can count with one hand. And who did he fight? Nobody known. Bruce held the media title, look cool in movies and make martial arts appealing. This does not make him a great fighter.
Ofcourse many of the REAL fighters were influence by Bruce, we all grew up watching his movies! Ask Bas Rutten if he thinks Bruce would kick his ass. Bas is one of the realist dudes out there. He said the same thing I'm saying about kung fu clowns. Watch his interview with Joe Rogan. He talks about how funny kung fu people are.
Bruce Lee impersonation only shows they were a fan of him, doesn't prove Bruce is a great fighter. He was an actor.
You are really beginning to upset me now.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
You maybe need to educate yourself a little more about Bruce his ethos, accomplishments and achievements before writing him off. You make think that many experienced fighters on this forum and others the world over are deluded fools for admiring and taking inspiration from a man that you will not credit for what you call fraudulent achievements, but you are wrong. Although Martial arts outside of China and the East were practised as far away as the U.K long before Lee, his influence and pivotal role in increasing the western understanding of these systems is massive and unrivalled.
His training methods are really useful for so many disciplines including non combat sports
( check out the excellent " The Art of Expressing the Human Body" ) but the fact that that he is referred to as the father of MMA and respected by extremely accomplished fighters from many disciplines should indicate to you that the guy could really fight. He definitely went through hell in training to reach such a pinnacle of excellence but was never so arrogant to not absorb techniques from other fighting sports like Tae Kwondo and Boxing (check his out his Ali meeting ;D ) in order to evolve and continually improve.
Making money is neither here nor there in establishing whether someone is a coward or not, just as being willing to fight, able to fight or willing to not fight are no hard and fast indications of bravery either.
Father of MMA? referred by those fan of his and yes he has plenty! But fuck no Bruce Lee is not the father of MMA. Those who risk there asses in the 90's were. Those whos names are unknown to many yet over shadowed by the great Bruce Lee who didn't risk his ass at all but instead made himself look great on films and in stories by his friends. I would credit Gene LeBell more as one of the father of MMA cause by exposing Bruce to a whole new world of fighting, Bruce actually began to make himself look cool by all of a sudden kung fu has a ground game? :o
Bottomline is if you think Bruce Lee is a great figther, you are dissing the real great fighters of history. This is a huge in justice. Bruce was an actor. I would never mention him in the same sentence as those who actually prove their heart, skills, endurance, pain resistance, chin, etc.
Ok I'm sorry for this rant but I just can't stand these nerdy fucks who don't know shit about fighting and then say Bruce would of whoop every boxer , every mma guy. That shit just really set me off.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by
bradlee180
Yep, Howlin' Mad Missy mentions Chuck Norris and Gene LeBell, and they respected Lee. Champion kickboxer Joe Lewis and Mike Stone respected him.
Many MMA fighters cite Bruce Lee as why they got into martial arts or that Lee was an influence. Bas Rutten. St.Pierre. Anderson Silva does a killer Lee impersonation. Rickson Gracie.
Sugar Ray Leonard and Manny Pacquiao have said Bruce Lee was a big influence.
These fighters recognized something in this man who died at 32 years old.
And Bruce never fought any of them. Joe Lewis Mike stone gene lebell even chuck norris would of all wreck bruce in a real fight. There's always been Thai champs that would of love to fight Bruce but Bruce never approach it that way, he wanted to look like a great fighter but never fought!!!! He learned from others which I respect but he taught like he was a great fighter with a long winning streak, he had none. He had a few amateur fights that you can count with one hand. And who did he fight? Nobody known. Bruce held the media title, look cool in movies and make martial arts appealing. This does not make him a great fighter.
Ofcourse many of the REAL fighters were influence by Bruce, we all grew up watching his movies! Ask Bas Rutten if he thinks Bruce would kick his ass. Bas is one of the realist dudes out there. He said the same thing I'm saying about kung fu clowns. Watch his interview with Joe Rogan. He talks about how funny kung fu people are.
Bruce Lee impersonation only shows they were a fan of him, doesn't prove Bruce is a great fighter. He was an actor.
You are really beginning to upset me now.
I"m sorry bud but he was just an actor and no santa is not real either.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
You maybe need to educate yourself a little more about Bruce his ethos, accomplishments and achievements before writing him off. You make think that many experienced fighters on this forum and others the world over are deluded fools for admiring and taking inspiration from a man that you will not credit for what you call fraudulent achievements, but you are wrong. Although Martial arts outside of China and the East were practised as far away as the U.K long before Lee, his influence and pivotal role in increasing the western understanding of these systems is massive and unrivalled.
His training methods are really useful for so many disciplines including non combat sports
( check out the excellent " The Art of Expressing the Human Body" ) but the fact that that he is referred to as the father of MMA and respected by extremely accomplished fighters from many disciplines should indicate to you that the guy could really fight. He definitely went through hell in training to reach such a pinnacle of excellence but was never so arrogant to not absorb techniques from other fighting sports like Tae Kwondo and Boxing (check his out his Ali meeting ;D ) in order to evolve and continually improve.
Making money is neither here nor there in establishing whether someone is a coward or not, just as being willing to fight, able to fight or willing to not fight are no hard and fast indications of bravery either.
Father of MMA? referred by those fan of his and yes he has plenty! But fuck no Bruce Lee is not the father of MMA. Those who risk there asses in the 90's were. Those whos names are unknown to many yet over shadowed by the great Bruce Lee who didn't risk his ass at all but instead made himself look great on films and in stories by his friends. I would credit Gene LeBell more as one of the father of MMA cause by exposing Bruce to a whole new world of fighting, Bruce actually began to make himself look cool by all of a sudden kung fu has a ground game? :o
Bottomline is if you think Bruce Lee is a great figther, you are dissing the real great fighters of history. This is a huge in justice. Bruce was an actor. I would never mention him in the same sentence as those who actually prove their heart, skills, endurance, pain resistance, chin, etc.
Ok I'm sorry for this rant
but I just can't stand these nerdy fucks who don't know shit about fighting and then say Bruce would of whoop every boxer , every mma guy. That shit just really set me off.
no one here has claimed that you nonce
and when you've cross trained in JKD, MT, Kickboxing, Boxing, Jujitsu, MMA, Silat, Kali, we can have chat about whether JKD is a 'philosophy' or not :rolleyes:
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
To be fair, back in the day, there was a fantastic thread on here (about 10 plus pages) about Bruce Lee whooping everyone in real life.
Thread's so old I can't find it (the good old days)
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
he was an icon of traditional martial arts
He was just the opposite concerning tradition.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
Kung fu isnt what it used to be when it was held fast within China. It was a land locked art that got tested against itself only in China by quite small people.
These days alot of those techniques that worked then willnot stand up to alot of the modern mixed arts or wouldnt of stood up to some of the ancient ones from other lands back then either.
You got tough men in each gym these days that are not as well trained as some there who are not so tough men but have much more expertise.
Ive seen a guy picked off the streets out of a pool hall with little to no training just a mean all out mutherfucker offered a wad of cash and more if he won, with a jaw like iron step in against a master of many bouts in a full contact open style and the street guy won it. Its happened alot in many places.
Theres no such thing as this art is better than than that art because of this bloke or that bloke or boxing or karate.
You are lucky if a person with natural champion material great dna and a iron chin comes to train with you. (He'll make your style famous not the style its self,not these days.)
Bruce fought on the streets of Hong kong with his school friend because he was Wing Chun under Yip Man in Hong Kong he got tested by other men from other styles it was rife in those early days. So to say he never saw action or real combat is false.
Him being from that style actually is the reason the whole style of Wing Chun is split right down the middle.
There are ones who have traditional style with close tight footwork which is a bit stilted.
Others like Bruce (who Bruce trained with also) who have more range,freer footwork and also the entry technique you see being used in MMA these days is from the exact roots of where Bruce learned to think outside of a traditional style.
All that said, I think on % you could not go past Jujitsu and Hapkido to become an all round cage fighter those styles stand apart.
Even though Jon Jones gives a nod to Bruces eventual all round style of Jeet kune do, I still recon he Jon is a natural and a good example of the whole mixture.
Jon "Bones" Jones: Jeet Kune Do
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
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Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
You maybe need to educate yourself a little more about Bruce his ethos, accomplishments and achievements before writing him off. You make think that many experienced fighters on this forum and others the world over are deluded fools for admiring and taking inspiration from a man that you will not credit for what you call fraudulent achievements, but you are wrong. Although Martial arts outside of China and the East were practised as far away as the U.K long before Lee, his influence and pivotal role in increasing the western understanding of these systems is massive and unrivalled.
His training methods are really useful for so many disciplines including non combat sports
( check out the excellent " The Art of Expressing the Human Body" ) but the fact that that he is referred to as the father of MMA and respected by extremely accomplished fighters from many disciplines should indicate to you that the guy could really fight. He definitely went through hell in training to reach such a pinnacle of excellence but was never so arrogant to not absorb techniques from other fighting sports like Tae Kwondo and Boxing (check his out his Ali meeting ;D ) in order to evolve and continually improve.
Making money is neither here nor there in establishing whether someone is a coward or not, just as being willing to fight, able to fight or willing to not fight are no hard and fast indications of bravery either.
Father of MMA? referred by those fan of his and yes he has plenty! But fuck no Bruce Lee is not the father of MMA. Those who risk there asses in the 90's were. Those whos names are unknown to many yet over shadowed by the great Bruce Lee who didn't risk his ass at all but instead made himself look great on films and in stories by his friends. I would credit Gene LeBell more as one of the father of MMA cause by exposing Bruce to a whole new world of fighting, Bruce actually began to make himself look cool by all of a sudden kung fu has a ground game? :o
Bottomline is if you think Bruce Lee is a great figther, you are dissing the real great fighters of history. This is a huge in justice. Bruce was an actor. I would never mention him in the same sentence as those who actually prove their heart, skills, endurance, pain resistance, chin, etc.
Ok I'm sorry for this rant
but I just can't stand these nerdy fucks who don't know shit about fighting and then say Bruce would of whoop every boxer , every mma guy. That shit just really set me off.
no one here has claimed that you nonce
and when you've cross trained in JKD, MT, Kickboxing, Boxing, Jujitsu, MMA, Silat, Kali, we can have chat about whether JKD is a 'philosophy' or not :rolleyes:
I'm not that one saying JKD is a philosophy. People who claimed to have studied it says so themselves. Dan Inosanto, a direct student of Bruce Lee said so as well.
BTW, I train in boxing, muay thai, jujitsu and wrestling which is the big four effective style that equals modern MMA! When I was younger I even did Kung Fu, Ninjutsu, Karate but the older I got the more I realize how it is all about preserving tradition rather than focusing on effectiveness.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
Bruce Lee shat bigger than you!!!
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
Andre
Kung fu isnt what it used to be when it was held fast within China. It was a land locked art that got tested against itself only in China by quite small people.
These days alot of those techniques that worked then willnot stand up to alot of the modern mixed arts or wouldnt of stood up to some of the ancient ones from other lands back then either.
You got tough men in each gym these days that are not as well trained as some there who are not so tough men but have much more expertise.
Ive seen a guy picked off the streets out of a pool hall with little to no training just a mean all out mutherfucker offered a wad of cash and more if he won, with a jaw like iron step in against a master of many bouts in a full contact open style and the street guy won it. Its happened alot in many places.
Theres no such thing as this art is better than than that art because of this bloke or that bloke or boxing or karate.
You are lucky if a person with natural champion material great dna and a iron chin comes to train with you. (He'll make your style famous not the style its self,not these days.)
Bruce fought on the streets of Hong kong with his school friend because he was Wing Chun under Yip Man in Hong Kong he got tested by other men from other styles it was rife in those early days. So to say he never saw action or real combat is false.
Him being from that style actually is the reason the whole style of Wing Chun is split right down the middle.
There are ones who have traditional style with close tight footwork which is a bit stilted.
Others like Bruce (who Bruce trained with also) who have more range,freer footwork and also the entry technique you see being used in MMA these days is from the exact roots of where Bruce learned to think outside of a traditional style.
All that said, I think on % you could not go past Jujitsu and Hapkido to become an all round cage fighter those styles stand apart.
Even though Jon Jones gives a nod to Bruces eventual all round style of Jeet kune do, I still recon he Jon is a natural and a good example of the whole mixture.
Jon "Bones" Jones: Jeet Kune Do
That is bullshit. It is all about effectiveness in a real fight. There are no videos of Kung Fu working in a real fight. I can pull out videos after videos of Wing Chun or other Kung Fu practicioners getting themselves hurt cause Muay Thai and Boxing are the truth when it comes to effectiveness! Kung Fu people are good talkers but look at reality, there is no such thing as a professional kung fu fighter. There are real life Muay Thai champs, Boxing Champs! I know clowns talk about rules but like I said rules make fights harder and would not take anything away from how effective a style is. Kung Fu is not effective. Bruce Lee is not a real fighter.
And you really don't know shit about MMA if you think Jon Jones is a JKD guy. Keep in mind many Mma guys will show Bruce Lee love because like I said before, we all grew up watching his movies.
Let me school you on Jon Jones, his background is wrestling. He is a good example of a wreslter who learned Muay Thai and represents the MMA world. He is not a bullshit artist like these kung fu masters are. He is exactly what a martial arts should be, in MMA you gotta continue to evolve and get better and better. Its always going to be about effectiveness and look at what is use the most by real fighters. BOXING, MUAY THAI, WRESTLING, JUJITSU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't believe how uneducated you people are outside of boxing!
Bruce Lee is not a fucking fighter, he fought other kung fu guys who sucked as much as he did and were not as effective as other styles. Kung fu is bullshit!!!!!!!! so was Bruce Lee!!!!!! I bet you people think Bruce Lee would of whoop Mike Tyson. You guys must think Bruce Lee is a God who would not feel pain or get put to sleep. The little fucker was an actor! You guys are fools! A lot of people have had street fights, it don't qualify them as a fighter! How am I alone on this shit!??????????
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
bradlee180
Bruce Lee shat bigger than you!!!
I hate you all for thinking this man is greater than what he actually proved. To me he is an actor, he could of got his chin check and put to sleep just like anybody else.
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Re read my post . I am agreeing with you. Seriously re read it without all the emotion and post again. Kung fu has for the 'traditional part' has no part in mma.
I dont know what you think you read!
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It made my day when I saw RIP Bruce Lee. I thought that faggot who use to post here under that similar name had finally been killed by his gay boyfriend. Imagine my disappointment when I read thread and find out that's not the case
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Violent Demise
It made my day when I saw RIP Bruce Lee. I thought that faggot who use to post here under that similar name had finally been killed by his gay boyfriend. Imagine my disappointment when I read thread and find out that's not the case
Thats really funny ;D , the emotional content here is just as sad though.
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
It made my day when I saw RIP Bruce Lee. I thought that faggot who use to post here under that similar name had finally been killed by his gay boyfriend. Imagine my disappointment when I read thread and find out that's not the case
Fuck, aside from me, I haven't seen any pac fan since pac got put to sleep!
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Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
It made my day when I saw RIP Bruce Lee. I thought that faggot who use to post here under that similar name had finally been killed by his gay boyfriend. Imagine my disappointment when I read thread and find out that's not the case
Fuck, aside from me, I haven't seen any pac fan since pac got put to sleep!
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...eN_1GZ6CmDopCg "So would he beat up Bruce Lee?"
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Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by
bradlee180
Bruce Lee shat bigger than you!!!
I hate you all for thinking this man is greater than what he actually proved. To me he is an actor, he could of got his chin check and put to sleep just like anybody else.
Jeez, can't you take a joke?!
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Originally Posted by
bradlee180
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Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by
bradlee180
Bruce Lee shat bigger than you!!!
I hate you all for thinking this man is greater than what he actually proved. To me he is an actor, he could of got his chin check and put to sleep just like anybody else.
Jeez, can't you take a joke?!
No from memory.
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Well if Bruce Lee was alive right now I know for fact he would be saying why is so dark! ow why cant I sit up straight,shit this aint looking good.:rolleyes:
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Julius make up your mind is a street fighter a fighter or not? You keep moving the goal posts worried that somebody scoring a goal is the same as winning a game.
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It's his fanatics that irratate me.
Take the '1 inch punch' for example. He pushes an out of balance and out of stance guy over a chair, he can't correct his balance because the chair is in the way of were his back foot should go - so he falls to the chair.
If your centre of gravity is moved past your heels then you will either correct your footing, or LOOSE your balance.
It's a simple demonstration of how unbalancing an opponent can make him vulnerable.
But to bruce lee fanatics, it's just bruce lee generating the power to explosively send an opponent flying in one punch, as if it's dragon ball z or something... These people claim to have a respect and passion for martial arts, but are dumbing it down - instead of stance and unbalance, it's "wow bruce lee punched like a cyborg"
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/up...inch-punch.jpg
Being in stance and quickly rotating your hips to extrnd your arm is enough to move somebody's torso an inch or two awat from their heels. The inability to correct this quickly due to the chair being in the way means they will stubble and trip over the chair.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by
Andre
Kung fu isnt what it used to be when it was held fast within China. It was a land locked art that got tested against itself only in China by quite small people.
These days alot of those techniques that worked then willnot stand up to alot of the modern mixed arts or wouldnt of stood up to some of the ancient ones from other lands back then either.
You got tough men in each gym these days that are not as well trained as some there who are not so tough men but have much more expertise.
Ive seen a guy picked off the streets out of a pool hall with little to no training just a mean all out mutherfucker offered a wad of cash and more if he won, with a jaw like iron step in against a master of many bouts in a full contact open style and the street guy won it. Its happened alot in many places.
Theres no such thing as this art is better than than that art because of this bloke or that bloke or boxing or karate.
You are lucky if a person with natural champion material great dna and a iron chin comes to train with you. (He'll make your style famous not the style its self,not these days.)
Bruce fought on the streets of Hong kong with his school friend because he was Wing Chun under Yip Man in Hong Kong he got tested by other men from other styles it was rife in those early days. So to say he never saw action or real combat is false.
Him being from that style actually is the reason the whole style of Wing Chun is split right down the middle.
There are ones who have traditional style with close tight footwork which is a bit stilted.
Others like Bruce (who Bruce trained with also) who have more range,freer footwork and also the entry technique you see being used in MMA these days is from the exact roots of where Bruce learned to think outside of a traditional style.
All that said, I think on % you could not go past Jujitsu and Hapkido to become an all round cage fighter those styles stand apart.
Even though Jon Jones gives a nod to Bruces eventual all round style of Jeet kune do, I still recon he Jon is a natural and a good example of the whole mixture.
Jon "Bones" Jones: Jeet Kune Do
That is bullshit. It is all about effectiveness in a real fight. There are no videos of Kung Fu working in a real fight. I can pull out videos after videos of Wing Chun or other Kung Fu practicioners getting themselves hurt cause Muay Thai and Boxing are the truth when it comes to effectiveness! Kung Fu people are good talkers but look at reality, there is no such thing as a professional kung fu fighter. There are real life Muay Thai champs, Boxing Champs! I know clowns talk about rules but like I said rules make fights harder and would not take anything away from how effective a style is. Kung Fu is not effective. Bruce Lee is not a real fighter.
And you really don't know shit about MMA if you think Jon Jones is a JKD guy. Keep in mind many Mma guys will show Bruce Lee love because like I said before, we all grew up watching his movies.
Let me school you on Jon Jones, his background is wrestling. He is a good example of a wreslter who learned Muay Thai and represents the MMA world. He is not a bullshit artist like these kung fu masters are. He is exactly what a martial arts should be, in MMA you gotta continue to evolve and get better and better. Its always going to be about effectiveness and look at what is use the most by real fighters. BOXING, MUAY THAI, WRESTLING, JUJITSU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't believe how uneducated you people are outside of boxing!
Bruce Lee is not a fucking fighter, he fought other kung fu guys who sucked as much as he did and were not as effective as other styles. Kung fu is bullshit!!!!!!!! so was Bruce Lee!!!!!! I bet you people think Bruce Lee would of whoop Mike Tyson. You guys must think Bruce Lee is a God who would not feel pain or get put to sleep. The little fucker was an actor! You guys are fools! A lot of people have had street fights, it don't qualify them as a fighter! How am I alone on this shit!??????????
I agreed with you, if you take the sentence that you highlighted, in context with what was above and below it. But Jeet kune do is a blend of everything I said Jon gives a nod in its direction, not that he started or ended there just that he acknowledges it and utilizes some things from it.
It isnt a traditional kung fu, its everything blended to suit an individual and fighters do use parts of it in real combat just like pieces of every other art; even parts of judo can and are utilized in take downs.
But to say one art rules another on the back of one practitioner is very stupid I agree, (even Bruces fans do this (specially on utube), as do others concerning different people representing their own styles as well.
Proof is that these days you need grounding in a lot of things and you need to be mentally and physically up in the high side % of all those traits as well as being a hard bastard with a tough beard and determination to make it anywhere near the top.
And I agree alot of people have had street fights,and school yard ones etc but a real street fighter one that walks in with cash to bet is the sort thats very hard to beat whatever you've learned, whatever you land on him, he is going to be there in front of you trying to kill you literally until he cant physcially be there in front of you,and that takes more than skill and more than one art to remove that type of person.
If you are lucky enough to get one of those types training in your camp you are very lucky camp.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
It's his fanatics that irratate me.
Take the '1 inch punch' for example. He pushes an out of balance and out of stance guy over a chair, he can't correct his balance because the chair is in the way of were his back foot should go - so he falls to the chair.
If your centre of gravity is moved past your heels then you will either correct your footing, or LOOSE your balance.
It's a simple demonstration of how unbalancing an opponent can make him vulnerable.
But to bruce lee fanatics, it's just bruce lee generating the power to explosively send an opponent flying in one punch, as if it's dragon ball z or something... These people claim to have a respect and passion for martial arts, but are dumbing it down - instead of stance and unbalance, it's "wow bruce lee punched like a cyborg"
He still does FACT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNL9nuF_uCk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYHo_PzEHVs
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
It's his fanatics that irratate me.
Take the '1 inch punch' for example. He pushes an out of balance and out of stance guy over a chair, he can't correct his balance because the chair is in the way of were his back foot should go - so he falls to the chair.
If your centre of gravity is moved past your heels then you will either correct your footing, or LOOSE your balance.
It's a simple demonstration of how unbalancing an opponent can make him vulnerable.
But to bruce lee fanatics, it's just bruce lee generating the power to explosively send an opponent flying in one punch, as if it's dragon ball z or something... These people claim to have a respect and passion for martial arts, but are dumbing it down - instead of stance and unbalance, it's "wow bruce lee punched like a cyborg"
it's a demonstration of economy of motion and not telegraphing your movements.
JKD kicks for example are (should) all be delivered from the same stance.
as for dan inosanto etc. then you should know the JKD world is very much split in terms of what JKD is/should be. If it's JKD as taught by Inosanto then it's 'concepts' and much less the techniques that Lee taught. I really like Silat as a system - again there are different styles, good and bad teachers etc
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Julius make up your mind is a street fighter a fighter or not? You keep moving the goal posts worried that somebody scoring a goal is the same as winning a game.
what are you on about Beanz!? Bruce Lee is an actor. He is not a fighter. He had street fights just like a lot of other people had street fights. Does it make em all street fighters? Does it make them professional fighters? NO!
I'll give Bruce credit for being a practitioner, film performer, stuntman, athlete, fitness guru, student of arts but I'll never label him as a fighter, let alone the greatest fighter ever.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
It's his fanatics that irratate me.
Take the '1 inch punch' for example. He pushes an out of balance and out of stance guy over a chair, he can't correct his balance because the chair is in the way of were his back foot should go - so he falls to the chair.
If your centre of gravity is moved past your heels then you will either correct your footing, or LOOSE your balance.
It's a simple demonstration of how unbalancing an opponent can make him vulnerable.
But to bruce lee fanatics, it's just bruce lee generating the power to explosively send an opponent flying in one punch, as if it's dragon ball z or something... These people claim to have a respect and passion for martial arts, but are dumbing it down - instead of stance and unbalance, it's "wow bruce lee punched like a cyborg"
Thank you ! Finally. I'm sure you've heard the same nonsense I've heard from many of these nerds. one of the things I hate the most hearing from his fanatics are, Kung Fu is too dangerous. I"ve never heard of a murder or homicide cause by Kung fu, has anybody? I know boxers have died in the ring though (thats why I have a lot more respect for boxers). Any cases a guy died due to tiger claw, mantis grip or dragon punch?
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
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Originally Posted by
Andre
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Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by
Andre
Kung fu isnt what it used to be when it was held fast within China. It was a land locked art that got tested against itself only in China by quite small people.
These days alot of those techniques that worked then willnot stand up to alot of the modern mixed arts or wouldnt of stood up to some of the ancient ones from other lands back then either.
You got tough men in each gym these days that are not as well trained as some there who are not so tough men but have much more expertise.
Ive seen a guy picked off the streets out of a pool hall with little to no training just a mean all out mutherfucker offered a wad of cash and more if he won, with a jaw like iron step in against a master of many bouts in a full contact open style and the street guy won it. Its happened alot in many places.
Theres no such thing as this art is better than than that art because of this bloke or that bloke or boxing or karate.
You are lucky if a person with natural champion material great dna and a iron chin comes to train with you. (He'll make your style famous not the style its self,not these days.)
Bruce fought on the streets of Hong kong with his school friend because he was Wing Chun under Yip Man in Hong Kong he got tested by other men from other styles it was rife in those early days. So to say he never saw action or real combat is false.
Him being from that style actually is the reason the whole style of Wing Chun is split right down the middle.
There are ones who have traditional style with close tight footwork which is a bit stilted.
Others like Bruce (who Bruce trained with also) who have more range,freer footwork and also the entry technique you see being used in MMA these days is from the exact roots of where Bruce learned to think outside of a traditional style.
All that said, I think on % you could not go past Jujitsu and Hapkido to become an all round cage fighter those styles stand apart.
Even though Jon Jones gives a nod to Bruces eventual all round style of Jeet kune do, I still recon he Jon is a natural and a good example of the whole mixture.
Jon "Bones" Jones: Jeet Kune Do
That is bullshit. It is all about effectiveness in a real fight. There are no videos of Kung Fu working in a real fight. I can pull out videos after videos of Wing Chun or other Kung Fu practicioners getting themselves hurt cause Muay Thai and Boxing are the truth when it comes to effectiveness! Kung Fu people are good talkers but look at reality, there is no such thing as a professional kung fu fighter. There are real life Muay Thai champs, Boxing Champs! I know clowns talk about rules but like I said rules make fights harder and would not take anything away from how effective a style is. Kung Fu is not effective. Bruce Lee is not a real fighter.
And you really don't know shit about MMA if you think Jon Jones is a JKD guy. Keep in mind many Mma guys will show Bruce Lee love because like I said before, we all grew up watching his movies.
Let me school you on Jon Jones, his background is wrestling. He is a good example of a wreslter who learned Muay Thai and represents the MMA world. He is not a bullshit artist like these kung fu masters are. He is exactly what a martial arts should be, in MMA you gotta continue to evolve and get better and better. Its always going to be about effectiveness and look at what is use the most by real fighters. BOXING, MUAY THAI, WRESTLING, JUJITSU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't believe how uneducated you people are outside of boxing!
Bruce Lee is not a fucking fighter, he fought other kung fu guys who sucked as much as he did and were not as effective as other styles. Kung fu is bullshit!!!!!!!! so was Bruce Lee!!!!!! I bet you people think Bruce Lee would of whoop Mike Tyson. You guys must think Bruce Lee is a God who would not feel pain or get put to sleep. The little fucker was an actor! You guys are fools! A lot of people have had street fights, it don't qualify them as a fighter! How am I alone on this shit!??????????
I agreed with you, if you take the sentence that you highlighted, in context with what was above and below it. But Jeet kune do is a blend of everything I said Jon gives a nod in its direction, not that he started or ended there just that he acknowledges it and utilizes some things from it.
It isnt a traditional kung fu, its everything blended to suit an individual and fighters do use parts of it in real combat just like pieces of every other art; even parts of judo can and are utilized in take downs.
But to say one art rules another on the back of one practitioner is very stupid I agree, (even Bruces fans do this (specially on utube), as do others concerning different people representing their own styles as well.
Proof is that these days you need grounding in a lot of things and you need to be mentally and physically up in the high side % of all those traits as well as being a hard bastard with a tough beard and determination to make it anywhere near the top.
And I agree alot of people have had street fights,and school yard ones etc but a real street fighter one that walks in with cash to bet is the sort thats very hard to beat whatever you've learned, whatever you land on him, he is going to be there in front of you trying to kill you literally until he cant physcially be there in front of you,and that takes more than skill and more than one art to remove that type of person.
If you are lucky enough to get one of those types training in your camp you are very lucky camp.
See I get what your saying about JKD and like I said already it is said to be a philosophy and not an actual style. My problem with your comment is you are giving an unproven art that is indeed being taught to paying customers as much credit to a proven style of fighting (mma). I have a huge problem with martial arts due to the fact that I was a kid once who paid hundreds of dollars to martial arts schools and Im sure there are millions of people similar to me. My whole point is separating what is truly effective and what is not. If you go to traditional martial arts there are many that art cult like and I am so against that nonsense because its a scam. I totally disagree with you when you say its not about that art its about the individual or its not the style thats more effective or not. Yes its exactly that.
Do you not realize a muay thai fighter is going to be more effective in any fight than a kung fu guy because the Thai whole point of developing muay thai was to take away the nonsense and strike with what will work and be effective from a practical stance.
Take boxing for another example. Do you not realize boxers are def going to be more effective because boxers are taught to punch the right way unlike if you take a punch from wing chun. Chain punching, sticky hands, is so fucking retarded. I personally faught a friend who kept talking shit about boxers and how superior Wing Chun is and Kung Fu. I caught the clown with a hook right away and had him twitching like a fish. I'm sorry but your totally wrong if you do not see that many martial arts are not effective. MMA was born from this. Like I said, the four most successful arts in MMA is boxing, muay thai, wrestling and jujitsu. Not JKD, Kung Fu, wing Chun or any other branches of Kung Fu. They are good talkers but not good fighters.
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
JKD is NOT a ring SPORT. I spent a number of years learning to kick you in the balls and run off. I learnt to hit you first and run off.
What don't you understand about this difference?
The punching was the same as when I was boxing - except we hit pads with NO gloves - you don't get to wear gloves on the street. When boxing I felt I could punch through walls because my hands were taped.
One 'technique' I was able to transfer from JKD to boxing was when you are is opposite stance, they jab, you jab bridging across theirs and pivot. Both as defence as the bridge deflects their punch down and in the essence of JKD an attacking move. I was able to use this sparring with a professional boxer.
We kicked and got kicked wearing shoes/trainers - no barefoot crap.
First time I ever sparred was with a karate guy who sparred every week. Guess how that went. He was jumping spinning kicking all over the place barefoot and kicked the shit out of his legs.
I'm not saying there has not been a load of shit spouted about Lee but it's like saying everything about Krav Maga is shit because no one in the UFC is doing it. It was never designed to be. :rolleyes:
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
Next you will say Jackie Chan and Jet Li are actors too!!!
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Re: R.I.P Bruce Lee but....
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Andre
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Julius Rain
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Andre
Kung fu isnt what it used to be when it was held fast within China. It was a land locked art that got tested against itself only in China by quite small people.
These days alot of those techniques that worked then willnot stand up to alot of the modern mixed arts or wouldnt of stood up to some of the ancient ones from other lands back then either.
You got tough men in each gym these days that are not as well trained as some there who are not so tough men but have much more expertise.
Ive seen a guy picked off the streets out of a pool hall with little to no training just a mean all out mutherfucker offered a wad of cash and more if he won, with a jaw like iron step in against a master of many bouts in a full contact open style and the street guy won it. Its happened alot in many places.
Theres no such thing as this art is better than than that art because of this bloke or that bloke or boxing or karate.
You are lucky if a person with natural champion material great dna and a iron chin comes to train with you. (He'll make your style famous not the style its self,not these days.)
Bruce fought on the streets of Hong kong with his school friend because he was Wing Chun under Yip Man in Hong Kong he got tested by other men from other styles it was rife in those early days. So to say he never saw action or real combat is false.
Him being from that style actually is the reason the whole style of Wing Chun is split right down the middle.
There are ones who have traditional style with close tight footwork which is a bit stilted.
Others like Bruce (who Bruce trained with also) who have more range,freer footwork and also the entry technique you see being used in MMA these days is from the exact roots of where Bruce learned to think outside of a traditional style.
All that said, I think on % you could not go past Jujitsu and Hapkido to become an all round cage fighter those styles stand apart.
Even though Jon Jones gives a nod to Bruces eventual all round style of Jeet kune do, I still recon he Jon is a natural and a good example of the whole mixture.
Jon "Bones" Jones: Jeet Kune Do
That is bullshit. It is all about effectiveness in a real fight. There are no videos of Kung Fu working in a real fight. I can pull out videos after videos of Wing Chun or other Kung Fu practicioners getting themselves hurt cause Muay Thai and Boxing are the truth when it comes to effectiveness! Kung Fu people are good talkers but look at reality, there is no such thing as a professional kung fu fighter. There are real life Muay Thai champs, Boxing Champs! I know clowns talk about rules but like I said rules make fights harder and would not take anything away from how effective a style is. Kung Fu is not effective. Bruce Lee is not a real fighter.
And you really don't know shit about MMA if you think Jon Jones is a JKD guy. Keep in mind many Mma guys will show Bruce Lee love because like I said before, we all grew up watching his movies.
Let me school you on Jon Jones, his background is wrestling. He is a good example of a wreslter who learned Muay Thai and represents the MMA world. He is not a bullshit artist like these kung fu masters are. He is exactly what a martial arts should be, in MMA you gotta continue to evolve and get better and better. Its always going to be about effectiveness and look at what is use the most by real fighters. BOXING, MUAY THAI, WRESTLING, JUJITSU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't believe how uneducated you people are outside of boxing!
Bruce Lee is not a fucking fighter, he fought other kung fu guys who sucked as much as he did and were not as effective as other styles. Kung fu is bullshit!!!!!!!! so was Bruce Lee!!!!!! I bet you people think Bruce Lee would of whoop Mike Tyson. You guys must think Bruce Lee is a God who would not feel pain or get put to sleep. The little fucker was an actor! You guys are fools! A lot of people have had street fights, it don't qualify them as a fighter! How am I alone on this shit!??????????
I agreed with you, if you take the sentence that you highlighted, in context with what was above and below it. But Jeet kune do is a blend of everything I said Jon gives a nod in its direction, not that he started or ended there just that he acknowledges it and utilizes some things from it.
It isnt a traditional kung fu, its everything blended to suit an individual and fighters do use parts of it in real combat just like pieces of every other art; even parts of judo can and are utilized in take downs.
But to say one art rules another on the back of one practitioner is very stupid I agree, (even Bruces fans do this (specially on utube), as do others concerning different people representing their own styles as well.
Proof is that these days you need grounding in a lot of things and you need to be mentally and physically up in the high side % of all those traits as well as being a hard bastard with a tough beard and determination to make it anywhere near the top.
And I agree alot of people have had street fights,and school yard ones etc but a real street fighter one that walks in with cash to bet is the sort thats very hard to beat whatever you've learned, whatever you land on him, he is going to be there in front of you trying to kill you literally until he cant physcially be there in front of you,and that takes more than skill and more than one art to remove that type of person.
If you are lucky enough to get one of those types training in your camp you are very lucky camp.
See I get what your saying about JKD and like I said already it is said to be a philosophy and not an actual style. My problem with your comment is you are giving an unproven art that is indeed being taught to paying customers as much credit to a proven style of fighting (mma). I have a huge problem with martial arts due to the fact that I was a kid once who paid hundreds of dollars to martial arts schools and Im sure there are millions of people similar to me. My whole point is separating what is truly effective and what is not. If you go to traditional martial arts there are many that art cult like and I am so against that nonsense because its a scam. I totally disagree with you when you say its not about that art its about the individual or its not the style thats more effective or not. Yes its exactly that.
Do you not realize a muay thai fighter is going to be more effective in any fight than a kung fu guy because the Thai whole point of developing muay thai was to take away the nonsense and strike with what will work and be effective from a practical stance.
Take boxing for another example. Do you not realize boxers are def going to be more effective because boxers are taught to punch the right way unlike if you take a punch from wing chun. Chain punching, sticky hands, is so fucking retarded. I personally faught a friend who kept talking shit about boxers and how superior Wing Chun is and Kung Fu. I caught the clown with a hook right away and had him twitching like a fish. I'm sorry but your totally wrong if you do not see that many martial arts are not effective. MMA was born from this. Like I said, the four most successful arts in MMA is boxing, muay thai, wrestling and jujitsu. Not JKD, Kung Fu, wing Chun or any other branches of Kung Fu. They are good talkers but not good fighters.
name someone who is a 100% boxer in MMA who has not learnt to sprawl?
They all now cross train.
If you knew anything about Lee's training and his journals he recognised this too. The limitations in MA. You have a wrestler - force him to stand and trade, a boxer? take him to the ground.
You're showing your own lack of knowledge about his work based on internet trolls.
