How badd ass would he be and how many guys would duck him like floyd did?
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How badd ass would he be and how many guys would duck him like floyd did?
with or without his concrete gloves?
Provodnikov would knock him out in round 1 or 2
I reckon he'd do about as good as he did. He's not my favourite fighter but definitely an A level boxer!
I'm going to assume this is a Margaret without concrete so I'd have to assume he would be awful like he was after his weapons were taken away. Yup, he was awful, just awful. 1-3 with his one win coming against a nobody. Not remotely competitive in his 3 losses. And frankly he looked absolute shit in his win against the bum.
And an A-level cheat hahahQuote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
margarito was a quality exciting fighter, value for money everytime
but yeah he probably would have done about as well as he did do, although he was a top level fighter i dont think his style would ever let him be the absolute very top
its a pity that boxing fans are daft enough to slate margarito for the loaded gloves yet to love a long list of fighters like holyfield after being caught using peds
I don't know if you mean me, but I don't think it's daft to slate Margarito for Blatantly cheating and if you've ever seen that documentary about the Irish American guy who topped himself after getting beat by a fellah with loaded gloves , then you would probably think that Margarito and the rest of his entourage should have never entered a ring after getting caught! The other issue is how many times were his gloves loaded without getting caught?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
And by the way, I'm not a lover of anyone who gets caught using PED's. If you Cheat, you pay the price.
Substitute enhanced for prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by erics44
Great post, Eric.. Yes, many boxing fans tend to be daft and fickle minded. As if one incident defines a fighter's whole career.. smh
It was a pinch of substance, a pinch, not no fuckin concrete.. idiots
And many world class trainers have claimed that if they wanted to, they can easily tamper the wrap without the fighter knowing.. I even made a thread about this not too long ago..
Supposedly the good guys in boxing such as holyfield and mosley are known cheaters too.. is taking steroids less of a crime?
Margarito was a fighter who earned everything the hard way. Nothing was handed to him.
Have it anyway you want to--I do--but a pinch is as good a pound in this instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Great post, Eric.. Yes, many boxing fans tend to be daft and fickle minded. As if one incident defines a fighter's whole career.. smh
It was a pinch of substance, a pinch, not no fuckin concrete.. idiots
And many world class trainers have claimed that if they wanted to, they can easily tamper the wrap without Alsothe fighter knowing.. I even made a thread about this not too long ago..
Supposedly the good guys in boxing such as holyfield and mosley are known cheaters too.. is taking steroids less of a crime?
Margarito was a fighter who earned everything the hard way. Nothing was handed to him.
I'm not saying Margarito was not a good fighter and he was not avoided for a time. I'm saying he was a cheater just like Mosley and Holyfield, who were good fighters too.
Margarito would get beat by Pac Man and Floyd who have grown into welterweights now.
Marg would destroy Prov, Bradley, Rios, Guerrero, beat Berto, Paulie, JMM and kill Khan.
You left out Lucas and Maidana... Margarito would absolutefuckinglutely destroy them at their own games. Anhiliate them..Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
if you are as much a hater of both forms of cheating then I don't mean you no :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI don't know if you mean me, but I don't think it's daft to slate Margarito for Blatantly cheating and if you've ever seen that documentary about the Irish American guy who topped himself after getting beat by a fellah with loaded gloves , then you would probably think that Margarito and the rest of his entourage should have never entered a ring after getting caught! The other issue is how many times were his gloves loaded without getting caught?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
And by the way, I'm not a lover of anyone who gets caught using PED's. If you Cheat, you pay the price.
A prime margo v lucas or maidana would be something special, those fights I would pay good money to seeQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaYou left out Lucas and Maidana... Margarito would absolutefuckinglutely destroy them at their own games. Anhiliate them..Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
This. A fucking cheat and a C level skill set.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Margarito was starched by a past his best Mosley. That is all
When Margarito was 18 years old, I saw him fight Alfred Ankamah. If my memory is correct, Ankamah was 14-0 with 14 KOs at the time. He hit Margarito with a killing punch to liver and Maragarito went down. He should have stayed down, maybe even died, because it was a vicious punch. I was ringside and I saw it. But he got up and stopped Ankamah. That had zero to do with 'loaded' gloves, but a whole lot to do with being tough. Not only physically but mentally.
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Originally Posted by greynotsoold
THis is the kind of post I respect.. Not all this concrete bullshit. smh
With or without plaster, anybody who has followed Margarito's career would understand what he's about.
He built his career out of pure tenacity, heart, determination, ability to take punches, while dishing out his own assault.. He was able to beat talented opponents with these traits.. Punching power was never a big part of his game..
Plaster aint got shit to do with why he beats people's asses..
Clearly you're both big fans of Margarito and Greynotsoold has followed him from his early days, and that's great. But my point is that once you've been caught cheating, people are gonna doubt everything you've done before. It's no different to Ben Johnson and some of the Jamaican sprinters. Everything they've done has a question mark over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
THis is the kind of post I respect.. Not all this concrete bullshit. smh
With or without plaster, anybody who has followed Margarito's career would understand what he's about.
He built his career out of pure tenacity, heart, determination, ability to take punches, while dishing out his own assault.. He was able to beat talented opponents with these traits.. Punching power was never a big part of his game..
Plaster aint got shit to do with why he beats people's asses..
So by your logic we should question Mosleys win over Margarito because Mosley was previously found guilty of using PEDs? I'm not a big fan of his but he's fights were great to watch. He got caught TRYING to load he's gloves not after a fight but before. And he was punished for TRYING to load them not for using them in a fight. People act like its easy to get things past the commission and the opponents corner man during the wrapping of the hands. If it was so easy people like Paulie who also has only 7 KOs would have a lot more. Innocent until proven guilty come on peeps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraClearly you're both big fans of Margarito and Greynotsoold has followed him from his early days, and that's great. But my point is that once you've been caught cheating, people are gonna doubt everything you've done before. It's no different to Ben Johnson and some of the Jamaican sprinters. Everything they've done has a question mark over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
THis is the kind of post I respect.. Not all this concrete bullshit. smh
With or without plaster, anybody who has followed Margarito's career would understand what he's about.
He built his career out of pure tenacity, heart, determination, ability to take punches, while dishing out his own assault.. He was able to beat talented opponents with these traits.. Punching power was never a big part of his game..
Plaster aint got shit to do with why he beats people's asses..
Finito, this has to stop. It was not a pinch. You read an article from a guy who wants to minimize for Margarito. Anybody can write an article. Remember Arum said the Commission is just picking on Margarito because he is Mexican. Is that true too? Here is an interview from the guy who caught him. It was a block and it was in both wraps even in the wraps the commission had signed off on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Great post, Eric.. Yes, many boxing fans tend to be daft and fickle minded. As if one incident defines a fighter's whole career.. smh
It was a pinch of substance, a pinch, not no fuckin concrete.. idiots
And many world class trainers have claimed that if they wanted to, they can easily tamper the wrap without the fighter knowing.. I even made a thread about this not too long ago..
Supposedly the good guys in boxing such as holyfield and mosley are known cheaters too.. is taking steroids less of a crime?
Margarito was a fighter who earned everything the hard way. Nothing was handed to him.
NAZEEM RICHARDSON ON HOW MARGARITO "LOADED HIS GLOVES" - RINGTALK
Eric, I agree that all cheaters should be treated as such. But I also know, just as anyone of average intelligence does, that all cheating is not the same level. That is why it is so hard for people to let go of what Margarito did. Putting brick like substances in block form instantly makes you a KO threat, its the worst possible cheat, and instantly puts the opponent's health, career, and even life in danger.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
How can some of you defend this fucking guy?! Because he was "tough"?! Utter nonsense. The guy cheated and seriously damaged a fighter for a good period (Cotto). His reputation is tarnished...PERIOD. Boxing has had it's fair share of brawler/tough types. No need to glorify a cheat like this in any fucking way.
sorry mate i have had this debate many timesQuote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatEric, I agree that all cheaters should be treated as such. But I also know, just as anyone of average intelligence does, that all cheating is not the same level. That is why it is so hard for people to let go of what Margarito did. Putting brick like substances in block form instantly makes you a KO threat, its the worst possible cheat, and instantly puts the opponent's health, career, and even life in danger.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
@jehoshaphat, loaded gloves do not necessarily pose more of a threat to the opponent than a juiced fighter
anyone with average intelligence would realise that :)
I guess we'll just have to pretend we don't agree. (I'm sure you know in your heart;)) As one is fighting enhanced athletically and one is outright bringing weapons to a boxing match.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44sorry mate i have had this debate many timesQuote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatEric, I agree that all cheaters should be treated as such. But I also know, just as anyone of average intelligence does, that all cheating is not the same level. That is why it is so hard for people to let go of what Margarito did. Putting brick like substances in block form instantly makes you a KO threat, its the worst possible cheat, and instantly puts the opponent's health, career, and even life in danger.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
@jehoshaphat, loaded gloves do not necessarily pose more of a threat to the opponent than a juiced fighter
anyone with average intelligence would realise that :)
ha, im sure after reading my reply you were thinking - hang on im being a bit of a plank here, i cant back down and admit im wrong tho because ill look a cunt :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatI guess we'll just have to pretend we don't agree. (I'm sure you know in your heart;)) As one is fighting enhanced athletically and one is outright bringing weapons to a boxing match.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44sorry mate i have had this debate many timesQuote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatEric, I agree that all cheaters should be treated as such. But I also know, just as anyone of average intelligence does, that all cheating is not the same level. That is why it is so hard for people to let go of what Margarito did. Putting brick like substances in block form instantly makes you a KO threat, its the worst possible cheat, and instantly puts the opponent's health, career, and even life in danger.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
@jehoshaphat , loaded gloves do not necessarily pose more of a threat to the opponent than a juiced fighter
anyone with average intelligence would realise that :)
Cheater!!!!!!
at the same time this is from a guy who wants to maximise the offence :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatFinito, this has to stop. It was not a pinch. You read an article from a guy who wants to minimize for Margarito. Anybody can write an article. Remember Arum said the Commission is just picking on Margarito because he is Mexican. Is that true too? Here is an interview from the guy who caught him. It was a block and it was in both wraps even in the wraps the commission had signed off on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Great post, Eric.. Yes, many boxing fans tend to be daft and fickle minded. As if one incident defines a fighter's whole career.. smh
It was a pinch of substance, a pinch, not no fuckin concrete.. idiots
And many world class trainers have claimed that if they wanted to, they can easily tamper the wrap without the fighter knowing.. I even made a thread about this not too long ago..
Supposedly the good guys in boxing such as holyfield and mosley are known cheaters too.. is taking steroids less of a crime?
Margarito was a fighter who earned everything the hard way. Nothing was handed to him.
NAZEEM RICHARDSON ON HOW MARGARITO "LOADED HIS GLOVES" - RINGTALK
in fact i would go as far as to say he has a real vested interested in making sure that the offence is maximised
Say what you want about him but he got caught before the fight not sure about the rest of his career. As for the juice i think he was on that shit as well like every fighter at the top is. Holyfeild never failed a drug test his whole career which extended 26 years so i kinda think the playing field is even there. I am not sure how many people load there gloves maybe that's just as common as the juice is who knows. Margarito would be a champ of one of the many belts most likely the wbo belt maybe the wba belt.
Maximize it for what? His fighter beat up and knocked out Margarito. And besides this is from the guy who was there not some dude writing like we are now. Come on man like a pinch of plaster is going to be effective...and coincidentally a pinch in each wrap? This thread is starting to get too funny. You're brighter than that. You just don't want to admit you're wrong. Show me where anyone involved said it was a pinch. Even his trainer admitted later but tried to say those wraps were only used for training purposes and he accidentally switched them.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44at the same time this is from a guy who wants to maximise the offence :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatFinito, this has to stop. It was not a pinch. You read an article from a guy who wants to minimize for Margarito. Anybody can write an article. Remember Arum said the Commission is just picking on Margarito because he is Mexican. Is that true too? Here is an interview from the guy who caught him. It was a block and it was in both wraps even in the wraps the commission had signed off on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Great post, Eric.. Yes, many boxing fans tend to be daft and fickle minded. As if one incident defines a fighter's whole career.. smh
It was a pinch of substance, a pinch, not no fuckin concrete.. idiots
And many world class trainers have claimed that if they wanted to, they can easily tamper the wrap without the fighter knowing.. I even made a thread about this not too long ago..
Supposedly the good guys in boxing such as holyfield and mosley are known cheaters too.. is taking steroids less of a crime?
Margarito was a fighter who earned everything the hard way. Nothing was handed to him.
NAZEEM RICHARDSON ON HOW MARGARITO "LOADED HIS GLOVES" - RINGTALK
in fact i would go as far as to say he has a real vested interested in making sure that the offence is maximised
Javier Capetillo Breaks Silence on Antonio Margarito's Illegal Wraps
:) the thread is only getting funny because there are people on here disagreeing with you and making very good grounding for itQuote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatMaximize it for what? His fighter beat up and knocked out Margarito. And besides this is from the guy who was there not some dude writing like we are now. Come on man like a pinch of plaster is going to be effective...and coincidentally a pinch in each wrap? This thread is starting to get too funny. You're brighter than that. You just don't want to admit you're wrong. Show me where anyone involved said it was a pinch. Even his trainer admitted later but tried to say those wraps were only used for training purposes and he accidentally switched them.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44at the same time this is from a guy who wants to maximise the offence :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatFinito, this has to stop. It was not a pinch. You read an article from a guy who wants to minimize for Margarito. Anybody can write an article. Remember Arum said the Commission is just picking on Margarito because he is Mexican. Is that true too? Here is an interview from the guy who caught him. It was a block and it was in both wraps even in the wraps the commission had signed off on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Great post, Eric.. Yes, many boxing fans tend to be daft and fickle minded. As if one incident defines a fighter's whole career.. smh
It was a pinch of substance, a pinch, not no fuckin concrete.. idiots
And many world class trainers have claimed that if they wanted to, they can easily tamper the wrap without the fighter knowing.. I even made a thread about this not too long ago..
Supposedly the good guys in boxing such as holyfield and mosley are known cheaters too.. is taking steroids less of a crime?
Margarito was a fighter who earned everything the hard way. Nothing was handed to him.
NAZEEM RICHARDSON ON HOW MARGARITO "LOADED HIS GLOVES" - RINGTALK
in fact i would go as far as to say he has a real vested interested in making sure that the offence is maximised
Javier Capetillo Breaks Silence on Antonio Margarito's Illegal Wraps
to a person with above average intelligence id have thought that would be pretty clear
And by "people" you mean "you"? Its just you and I going back and forth bro. You didn't even respond to the point of my last post. You're just trying to insult instead of debate using facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44:) the thread is only getting funny because there are people on here disagreeing with you and making very good grounding for itQuote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatMaximize it for what? His fighter beat up and knocked out Margarito. And besides this is from the guy who was there not some dude writing like we are now. Come on man like a pinch of plaster is going to be effective...and coincidentally a pinch in each wrap? This thread is starting to get too funny. You're brighter than that. You just don't want to admit you're wrong. Show me where anyone involved said it was a pinch. Even his trainer admitted later but tried to say those wraps were only used for training purposes and he accidentally switched them.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44at the same time this is from a guy who wants to maximise the offence :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatFinito, this has to stop. It was not a pinch. You read an article from a guy who wants to minimize for Margarito. Anybody can write an article. Remember Arum said the Commission is just picking on Margarito because he is Mexican. Is that true too? Here is an interview from the guy who caught him. It was a block and it was in both wraps even in the wraps the commission had signed off on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Great post, Eric.. Yes, many boxing fans tend to be daft and fickle minded. As if one incident defines a fighter's whole career.. smh
It was a pinch of substance, a pinch, not no fuckin concrete.. idiots
And many world class trainers have claimed that if they wanted to, they can easily tamper the wrap without the fighter knowing.. I even made a thread about this not too long ago..
Supposedly the good guys in boxing such as holyfield and mosley are known cheaters too.. is taking steroids less of a crime?
Margarito was a fighter who earned everything the hard way. Nothing was handed to him.
NAZEEM RICHARDSON ON HOW MARGARITO "LOADED HIS GLOVES" - RINGTALK
in fact i would go as far as to say he has a real vested interested in making sure that the offence is maximised
Javier Capetillo Breaks Silence on Antonio Margarito's Illegal Wraps
to a person with above average intelligence id have thought that would be pretty clear
You're just trying to insult instead of debate using factsQuote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatAnd by "people" you mean "you"? Its just you and I going back and forth bro. You didn't even respond to the point of my last post. You're just trying to insult instead of debate using facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44:) the thread is only getting funny because there are people on here disagreeing with you and making very good grounding for itQuote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatMaximize it for what? His fighter beat up and knocked out Margarito. And besides this is from the guy who was there not some dude writing like we are now. Come on man like a pinch of plaster is going to be effective...and coincidentally a pinch in each wrap? This thread is starting to get too funny. You're brighter than that. You just don't want to admit you're wrong. Show me where anyone involved said it was a pinch. Even his trainer admitted later but tried to say those wraps were only used for training purposes and he accidentally switched them.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44at the same time this is from a guy who wants to maximise the offence :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatFinito, this has to stop. It was not a pinch. You read an article from a guy who wants to minimize for Margarito. Anybody can write an article. Remember Arum said the Commission is just picking on Margarito because he is Mexican. Is that true too? Here is an interview from the guy who caught him. It was a block and it was in both wraps even in the wraps the commission had signed off on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Great post, Eric.. Yes, many boxing fans tend to be daft and fickle minded. As if one incident defines a fighter's whole career.. smh
It was a pinch of substance, a pinch, not no fuckin concrete.. idiots
And many world class trainers have claimed that if they wanted to, they can easily tamper the wrap without the fighter knowing.. I even made a thread about this not too long ago..
Supposedly the good guys in boxing such as holyfield and mosley are known cheaters too.. is taking steroids less of a crime?
Margarito was a fighter who earned everything the hard way. Nothing was handed to him.
NAZEEM RICHARDSON ON HOW MARGARITO "LOADED HIS GLOVES" - RINGTALK
in fact i would go as far as to say he has a real vested interested in making sure that the offence is maximised
Javier Capetillo Breaks Silence on Antonio Margarito's Illegal Wraps
to a person with above average intelligence id have thought that would be pretty clear
ha, just to point out its you throwing the insults, and me just repeating what you said
"someone of average intelligence"
"you must be brighter than that"
And by "people" you mean "you"? i have seen 2 people reply to your posts
You didn't even respond to the point of my last post
ok, you are right i didnt
Maximize it for what? He was mosleys trainer, if in anyway it turns out that the loaded gloves were anything less than severe then he is gonna look a right cunt, probably the biggest cunt in the whole thing, richardson had to do and say everything to make sure margaritos gloves were loaded as badly as he could :)
Come on man like a pinch of plaster is going to be effective...and coincidentally a pinch in each wrap? is this a question you want me to reply to?
You just don't want to admit you're wrong. i assume this is a question and to answer it - im right :)
Show me where anyone involved said it was a pinch. at what point in this discussion have i said that it was a pinch?
What 2 people replied to my post? You stated people are disagreeing with me and giving good grounding. By replying to my post to Finito about the pinch insinuated that you agreed with him because you stated that Richardson was trying to maximize the offense. But lets just get to the bottom of this. What exactly is it that you're disagreeing with me about then?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44You're just trying to insult instead of debate using factsQuote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatAnd by "people" you mean "you"? Its just you and I going back and forth bro. You didn't even respond to the point of my last post. You're just trying to insult instead of debate using facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44:) the thread is only getting funny because there are people on here disagreeing with you and making very good grounding for itQuote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatMaximize it for what? His fighter beat up and knocked out Margarito. And besides this is from the guy who was there not some dude writing like we are now. Come on man like a pinch of plaster is going to be effective...and coincidentally a pinch in each wrap? This thread is starting to get too funny. You're brighter than that. You just don't want to admit you're wrong. Show me where anyone involved said it was a pinch. Even his trainer admitted later but tried to say those wraps were only used for training purposes and he accidentally switched them.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44at the same time this is from a guy who wants to maximise the offence :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatFinito, this has to stop. It was not a pinch. You read an article from a guy who wants to minimize for Margarito. Anybody can write an article. Remember Arum said the Commission is just picking on Margarito because he is Mexican. Is that true too? Here is an interview from the guy who caught him. It was a block and it was in both wraps even in the wraps the commission had signed off on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Great post, Eric.. Yes, many boxing fans tend to be daft and fickle minded. As if one incident defines a fighter's whole career.. smh
It was a pinch of substance, a pinch, not no fuckin concrete.. idiots
And many world class trainers have claimed that if they wanted to, they can easily tamper the wrap without the fighter knowing.. I even made a thread about this not too long ago..
Supposedly the good guys in boxing such as holyfield and mosley are known cheaters too.. is taking steroids less of a crime?
Margarito was a fighter who earned everything the hard way. Nothing was handed to him.
NAZEEM RICHARDSON ON HOW MARGARITO "LOADED HIS GLOVES" - RINGTALK
in fact i would go as far as to say he has a real vested interested in making sure that the offence is maximised
Javier Capetillo Breaks Silence on Antonio Margarito's Illegal Wraps
to a person with above average intelligence id have thought that would be pretty clear
ha, just to point out its you throwing the insults, and me just repeating what you said
"someone of average intelligence"
"you must be brighter than that"
And by "people" you mean "you"? i have seen 2 people reply to your posts
You didn't even respond to the point of my last post
ok, you are right i didnt
Maximize it for what? He was mosleys trainer, if in anyway it turns out that the loaded gloves were anything less than severe then he is gonna look a right cunt, probably the biggest cunt in the whole thing, richardson had to do and say everything to make sure margaritos gloves were loaded as badly as he could :)
Come on man like a pinch of plaster is going to be effective...and coincidentally a pinch in each wrap? is this a question you want me to reply to?
You just don't want to admit you're wrong. i assume this is a question and to answer it - im right :)
Show me where anyone involved said it was a pinch. at what point in this discussion have i said that it was a pinch?
heres some points which you have made that i dissagree withQuote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphat
1. people with average intelligence would know that loaded gloves are worse than peds
2. it was me throwing the insults and not you
3. Richardson was not trying to maximise the offence
4. There was not more than one person on this thread disagreeing with you
5. i just dont want to admit im wrong
6. This thread is starting to get funny
:)
1. So what kind of intelligence do you need?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44heres some points which you have made that i dissagree withQuote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphat
1. people with average intelligence would know that loaded gloves are worse than peds
2. it was me throwing the insults and not you
3. Richardson was not trying to maximise the offence
4. There was not more than one person on this thread disagreeing with you
5. i just dont want to admit im wrong
6. This thread is starting to get funny
:)
2. I never said I didn't throw any insults as well. I stated in one post that you didn't reply to my points and only went the insult route.
3. You said Richardson was trying to maximize the offense. I then asked you why would he need to when his fighter brutally won.
4. You stated 2 people replied to my post disagreeing and giving good grounding like you stated.
5. I said that because I don't see how anyone can defend such an offense that Margarito committed and not really believe its as horrible as it is. And to this I ask you a question...would you defend Mayweather in the same light if he got caught loading his gloves?
6. Do you really think this topic is not overdone?;) Were sitting here in 2014 still arguing/insulting each other over this tired topic. I for one regret that I even bit to Finito's thread. I'll admit...he got me.
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Originally Posted by jehoshaphatMaximize it for what? His fighter beat up and knocked out Margarito. And besides this is from the guy who was there not some dude writing like we are now. Come on man like a pinch of plaster is going to be effective...and coincidentally a pinch in each wrap? This thread is starting to get too funny. You're brighter than that. You just don't want to admit you're wrong. Show me where anyone involved said it was a pinch. Even his trainer admitted later but tried to say those wraps were only used for training purposes and he accidentally switched them.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44at the same time this is from a guy who wants to maximise the offence :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphatFinito, this has to stop. It was not a pinch. You read an article from a guy who wants to minimize for Margarito. Anybody can write an article. Remember Arum said the Commission is just picking on Margarito because he is Mexican. Is that true too? Here is an interview from the guy who caught him. It was a block and it was in both wraps even in the wraps the commission had signed off on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita:appl:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Great post, Eric.. Yes, many boxing fans tend to be daft and fickle minded. As if one incident defines a fighter's whole career.. smh
It was a pinch of substance, a pinch, not no fuckin concrete.. idiots
And many world class trainers have claimed that if they wanted to, they can easily tamper the wrap without the fighter knowing.. I even made a thread about this not too long ago..
Supposedly the good guys in boxing such as holyfield and mosley are known cheaters too.. is taking steroids less of a crime?
Margarito was a fighter who earned everything the hard way. Nothing was handed to him.
NAZEEM RICHARDSON ON HOW MARGARITO "LOADED HIS GLOVES" - RINGTALK
in fact i would go as far as to say he has a real vested interested in making sure that the offence is maximised
Javier Capetillo Breaks Silence on Antonio Margarito's Illegal Wraps
To be fair comparing plaster to concrete is the opposite extreme to saying just a pinch.
Plaster is as weak as piss, three good punches and it goes to powder but add sweat to it as well and it ends up weighty white soup. Layers of it dusted into wraps layer upon layer would add some real percussion to a punch.
You dont do that for training purposes they were cheating.Marg may or may not of known,
If he was innocent he would ask for a lie detector test,I would if i was framed and blamed.
So I suspect he knew.
1. I dont know, you brought up intelligenceQuote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphat1. So what kind of intelligence do you need?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44heres some points which you have made that i dissagree withQuote:
Originally Posted by jehoshaphat
1. people with average intelligence would know that loaded gloves are worse than peds
2. it was me throwing the insults and not you
3. Richardson was not trying to maximise the offence
4. There was not more than one person on this thread disagreeing with you
5. i just dont want to admit im wrong
6. This thread is starting to get funny
:)
2. I never said I didn't throw any insults as well. I stated in one post that you didn't reply to my points and only went the insult route.
3. You said Richardson was trying to maximize the offense. I then asked you why would he need to when his fighter brutally won.
4. You stated 2 people replied to my post disagreeing and giving good grounding like you stated.
5. I said that because I don't see how anyone can defend such an offense that Margarito committed and not really believe its as horrible as it is. And to this I ask you a question...would you defend Mayweather in the same light if he got caught loading his gloves?
6. Do you really think this topic is not overdone?;) Were sitting here in 2014 still arguing/insulting each other over this tired topic. I for one regret that I even bit to Finito's thread. I'll admit...he got me.
2. i dont class mine as insults as i was just repeating what you said
3. read my earlier post to as why richardson had to maximise the offence
4. pardon?
5. I wasnt defending anything
6. yep, this topic is overdone as ive said earlier, and as i also said earlier that it amazes me that boxing fans slate margarito for this crime yet still love boxers that have been caught using peds :)