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he is crying robbery and wants an investigation for the fight. i had canelo winning 115-113. it could have gone either way and was in no way a robbery. i agree that the 117-111 scorecard was a bit wide, but not insanely wide. more boxers need to just say that they thought they won the fight and move on. lara has gotten gifts before. i didnt mind him before this fight but now im not at all a fan.
Well, in a sport that is said to be about hitting and not getting hit he did out land Canelo in 9 of the 12 rounds.
I agree it was a close fight that could have gone either way but I can also see the fighters perspective saying "hmm, if I had out landed him in every round I might have gotten a draw that doesn't feel right".
I scored it 7-5 for Lara too. The person the fight makes me dislike more is Canelo who seems very arrogant and dismissive of a rematch. It's is correct to give a rematch after a close fight. 'Ooh, he wouldn't stand in front of me and let me hit him the head.....He needs to learn to fight!'. Are you serious, Canelo? Lara won a fight and is annoyed and he is the one that everyone wants to hate? What a strange planet of perception disconnect.
i do agree with that too. canelo made himself look bad with those comments. i dont think there needs to be a rematch because i doubt there is much demand for it. i would be alright with one but i just dont think most people care. canelo has other options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Lara only out landed Alvarez by 10 punches. Alvarez landed 88 power punches whereas Lara landed 52... Over half of Lara's connects were weak, runaway jabs. So this idea that Lara out punched Canelo and therefore won the fight is utter crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Besides steroid or other drugs being used I have never seen an investigation overturn any decision for bad scoring. So Lara needs to suck it up and move on.
I don't agree that some of Lara's punches were weak or throwaway jabs, if they land they should count for something.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoLara only out landed Alvarez by 10 punches. Alvarez landed 88 power punches whereas Lara landed 52... Over half of Lara's connects were weak, runaway jabs. So this idea that Lara out punched Canelo and therefore won the fight is utter crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
My complaint about Lara is that, in arguably the most important fight of his life, he didn't up his game at all. He fought this fight like it was any other, he has this formula that he sticks to no matter who he's fighting.
After the first couple of rounds I was sure Lara would win easily, all he had to do was increase his punch output a little. Slipping away, resetting and throwing a combo, then sliding away again to reset is great and shows a lot of skill but he should have thrown more punches.
It's too bad, I think more work each round would have gotten the win.
Of course, nothing would have changed that 117-111 card, except a KO or some KDs.
But what scores higher? 10 keep away jabs or 10 heavy body shots...?Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedI don't agree that some of Lara's punches were weak or throwaway jabs, if they land they should count for something.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoLara only out landed Alvarez by 10 punches. Alvarez landed 88 power punches whereas Lara landed 52... Over half of Lara's connects were weak, runaway jabs. So this idea that Lara out punched Canelo and therefore won the fight is utter crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
My complaint about Lara is that, in arguably the most important fight of his life, he didn't up his game at all. He fought this fight like it was any other, he has this formula that he sticks to no matter who he's fighting.
After the first couple of rounds I was sure Lara would win easily, all he had to do was increase his punch output a little. Slipping away, resetting and throwing a combo, then sliding away again to reset is great and shows a lot of skill but he should have thrown more punches.
It's too bad, I think more work each round would have gotten the win.
Of course, nothing would have changed that 117-111 card, except a KO or some KDs.
Look, jabs are a huge scoring tool, even when they don't land they are a distraction. Jabs are usually the first punch in a combination.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoBut what scores higher? 10 keep away jabs or 10 heavy body shots...?Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedI don't agree that some of Lara's punches were weak or throwaway jabs, if they land they should count for something.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoLara only out landed Alvarez by 10 punches. Alvarez landed 88 power punches whereas Lara landed 52... Over half of Lara's connects were weak, runaway jabs. So this idea that Lara out punched Canelo and therefore won the fight is utter crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
My complaint about Lara is that, in arguably the most important fight of his life, he didn't up his game at all. He fought this fight like it was any other, he has this formula that he sticks to no matter who he's fighting.
After the first couple of rounds I was sure Lara would win easily, all he had to do was increase his punch output a little. Slipping away, resetting and throwing a combo, then sliding away again to reset is great and shows a lot of skill but he should have thrown more punches.
It's too bad, I think more work each round would have gotten the win.
Of course, nothing would have changed that 117-111 card, except a KO or some KDs.
What I'm saying is, that jabs are not worthless, Lara has a good jab and you could see Canelo getting real tired of it.
I think Canelo won, but it was real close!
It was a close fight. I honestly think 115-113 to either fighter shouldn't cause people to cry "foul." However, the 117-111 score was disgraceful and deserves big time scrutiny...it's those kind of scores that give boxing a black eye. I personally think the fight was a draw. Lara moved well, made Alvarez miss a lot, and landed cleanly when her threw...but he took his foot off the pedal and it cost him. Canelo looked "busier" and went to the body. Lara should have known that there was no chance in hell he was going to win on cards against Canelo. Neither fighter really blew me away...and neither fighter did enough to win convincingly.
I had the fight 116-112 for Canelo. Lara was retreating the WHOLE fight, not once did he come forward. I was very dissapointed in Lara because this probably the worst I have seen him fight and it just happened to be on the biggest stage of his career. He fought as though this was the amateurs or the Olympics it was a terrible effort. As far as everyone saying oh he out landed Canelo it was by 10 punches 107 to 97(which basically means 9 punches a rd for lara and 8 punches a rd for Canelo) and Canelo landed the harder shots with an 88 to 52 advantage in power shots. Anyone who understands boxing knows that there is a BIG difference in throwing a punch stepping back as opposed to throwing a punch stepping forward. Lara was retreating the whole fight and on the defensive, Canelo was coming forward the whole fight and was on the attack, and in a fight where there is not much action to score most judges will score the rd or fight for the Aggressor which was Canelo.
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Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Canelo's aggression should only be award points if it was effective and for most of the fight he was missing wildly. Landed 23% Total Punches 5% Jabs and 38% Power Punches to Laras 28% Total punches 22% Jabs and 37% Power Punches. Lara was more economical with his punches then Canelo was. Canelo landed more punches on Floyd then he did against Lara..
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Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
88 power punches to 52.
It's hard to hit a moving target but Canelo managed to land 73 body shots. It's difficult to land any hard shots while running away. I believe Canelo's punches were harder and more effective than Lara's. Evidence to support this can be found by the fact that Canelo never backed away from Lara and that Lara never moved forward suggesting Canelo was giving him a reason to stay away. He continued to chase him all night. Lara's punching never deterred Canelo, not even for a second.
I'll say it again, Chris Algeiri was effective with his punching and moving against Provodnikov. He out landed Provodnikov by 80 punches. Lara only landed 10 more punches than Canelo and ran away the whole fight. Note the difference.
lara threw like one 3 punch combo. all one two or just a jab and move. he was in a pro canelo crowd. he shouldve sat down and threw more. i think i saw 2 good 1-2 combos and thats it. he definitely had no killer instinct. he kept it close instead of dominating the smaller slower fighter. its his fault he lost
I get the distinct impression that Lara doesn't really care if people like him. He talks it and he fights like it. After the controversy and split he should be fully expected to dispute the verdict and call for action on it. He has all the chance of a snowball in a grease fire but he has to push the issue. On a side its been a long time since I've seen punch stats and percentage's trumped to bolster the winner-loser of a match than with this one.
he got a draw against molina and martiyrosen while many people thought that he lost bothQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeElaborateQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
there are way too many bad decisions in boxing today to push the issue with this one. i understand his loss to paul williams but not this one. you cant allow every single person who thought they were robbed protest the decision and actually make something of it. otherwise, protests would get out of control with 75% of fights being protested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Against Martirosyan he was clearly coming into the fight. I had him ahead at the time the fight was stopped but a draw was fair. You could give it to Martirosyan but that would being very generous to him. Molina fight was scored a draw by most people including Teddy Atlas. You could argue for Molina but certainly not a gift for Lara.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherhe got a draw against molina and martiyrosen while many people thought that he lost bothQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeElaborateQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
In a word, yes!
Lara's pride was hurt? He out landed Canelo by ten? He threw a few three punch combinations? Canelo was probably not expecting a track meet. He was frustrated and missed a few hay makers. My point is that this was supposed to be what is rightly known as a prize fight. Lara may have landed but substance by Canelo won the fight. You have to show the judges that you want it A championship fight has small similarities to getting a high level job you have to convince the interviewer or judge that you worked for and deserve the position(the belt). Lara failed the interview.