Sonny Liston ~ "I Negotiated Both Contracts For My Bouts With Cassius Clay"

Just revealed,

Charles 'Sonny' Liston negotiated all '3' Fight Contracts for his bouts
with Cassius Clay.

The '1st' contract for the February 24, 1964 bout included an 'iron clad'
Rematch Clause, and the rights to '3' of Cassius Clay's next bouts.

Included, was a $500,000 buy out fee for each bout.

The '2nd' contract gave Charles 'Sonny' Liston the right to promote
the bout, under the I-C-P moniker, which was to take place on
November 17, 1964 at the Boston Garden.

The 2nd-bout was postponed, as Cassius 'secretly' suffered a Hernia.

Sonny then received his $500,000 'insurance payment/buy out fee'.

Sonny Liston used that money for a payment of $250,000 which covered his
'owed' Federal Income Tax bill, and another $150,000 to cover the cost of a
home in Las Vegas and another $100,000 to cover some personal debts.

To keep things quiet, Sonny did not take possession of the home until
6-Months after the 'fixed' 2nd-Bout.

The 3rd Fight Contract {for the 2nd bout on May 25, 1965} gave Sonny Boy
the rights to '2' of Cassius' future bouts.

Charles 'Sonny' Liston >

"I made 3-times more money losing, than winning. And, I owned Cassius
Clay for '3' bouts."

"Life Was Grand."

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

Just revealed,

Charles 'Sonny' Liston negotiated all '3' Fight Contracts for his bouts
with Cassius Clay.

The '1st' contract for the February 24, 1964 bout included an 'iron clad'
Rematch Clause, and the rights to '3' of Cassius Clay's next bouts.

Included, was a $500,000 buy out fee for each bout.

The '2nd' contract gave Charles 'Sonny' Liston the right to promote
the bout, under the I-C-P moniker, which was to take place on
November 17, 1964 at the Boston Garden.

The 2nd-bout was postponed, as Cassius 'secretly' suffered a Hernia.

Sonny then received his $500,000 'insurance payment/buy out fee'.

Sonny Liston used that money for a payment of $250,000 which covered his
'owed' Federal Income Tax bill, and another $150,000 to cover the cost of a
home in Las Vegas and another $100,000 to cover some personal debts.

To keep things quiet, Sonny did not take possession of the home until
6-Months after the 'fixed' 2nd-Bout.

The 3rd Fight Contract {for the 2nd bout on May 25, 1965} gave Sonny Boy
the rights to '2' of Cassius' future bouts.

Charles 'Sonny' Liston >

"I made 3-times more money losing, than winning. And, I owned Cassius
Clay for '3' bouts."

"Life Was Grand."

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Clay should have lost points for running like a little bitch in both fights.

Mr B.B.

I wouldn't say that Cassius ran.

He kind of 'skipped' like a Fancy Boy.

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

Mr B.B.

I wouldn't say that Cassius ran.

He kind of 'skipped' like a Fancy Boy.

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yeah the Limp Dick Skip bwahahahaaa Veronica Porsche mentioned that too

Charles 'Sonny' Liston

I'm a businessman first, and a boxer second. I go where the money is.
Ain't no Fucking Trophy or Belt going to buy me a new Cadillac.

And I like a new Cadillac every year. Whether I beat Clay or not, makes
no difference to me. As long as I get paid, that is what matters.

I'm in a no lose situation, as I have a contract {rematch} for other bouts
in the future.

Did Liston text you these statements?

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

Did Liston text you these statements?

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Actually, my old neighbor was one of his Charles Liston's attorneys.

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"Sonny liked money, especially other peoples dough."

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

Did Liston text you these statements?

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Actually, my old neighbor was one of his Charles Liston's attorneys.

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"Sonny liked money, especially other peoples dough."

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You are so full of crap! HAhahAHHaha

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

Charles 'Sonny' Liston

I'm a businessman first, and a boxer second. I go where the money is.
Ain't no Fucking Trophy or Belt going to buy me a new Cadillac.

And I like a new Cadillac every year. Whether I beat Clay or not, makes
no difference to me. As long as I get paid, that is what matters.

I'm in a no lose situation, as I have a contract {rematch} for other bouts
in the future.

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I have a Cadillac and it has been nothing but a headache. Of course I can't buy a new one every year.

Sonny Liston

Likes the Cadillac Brougham, with a Car Telehone.

He liked to be called 'Top Cat' or Charles when you called him.

So what? That may have been the done thing at that time but if Sonny really liked money he makes more by beating Ali and controlling his own destiny. He lost both fights. Ali was superior and he never ran. Watch the first round he ran at Sonny and beat him silly.

You are incorrect Sir,

A}
Sonny had no place to go anymore. Nobody wanted to deal with him, and his
management team of Jack and Robert Nilon wanted to end their relationship with
Sonny. They were looking to cash in their 'chips', and deals were to be made.

B}
If Sonny Boy defeats Cassius, just who does he fight next. Who can bring in big money.

Ingemar Johansson was the only one who could bring in big bucks, but only in Sweden,
as Sonny Boy was banned from fighting in Europe.

'INGO" could not fight in the United States, as he had owed the Feds big bucks from the
Floyd Patterson bouts.

What 'decent' money bouts were out there, had Sonny Boy defeated Cassius Clay in
February 1964.

* Eddie Machen ............ No way, despite being the #2 Challenger at the time.
* Harold Johnson .......... He just lost to Willie Pastrano
* Doug Jones ............... Too small
* Floyd Patterson .......... No way for a 3rd Bout
* Ernie Terrell ............... Maybe, but there was no money
* George Chuvalo .......... Ahh !!
* Cleveland Williams ...... Not again.
* Willie Pastrano ........... Too little
* Henry Cooper ............ Oh Geez

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Originally Posted by Master

So what? That may have been the done thing at that time but if Sonny really liked money he makes more by beating Ali and controlling his own destiny. He lost both fights. Ali was superior and he never ran. Watch the first round he ran at Sonny and beat him silly.

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HEY! Don't give Bill such a hard time. He was told all this stuff by his old neighbour while they gave each other deep penetrating massages and talked about the sweaty black fighters from the days of their youth.

Ruthless Rocco

Why you 'filth'.

Bill the filth is because you are illogical.

Sonny makes more money being the champion than if he lost. Simple.

Wrong Master,

If Sonny loses to Cassius Clay on February 24, 1964 - he walks away with
about $1,000,000 - plus +

Sonny Boy gets a 'rematch' and his {I-C-P} gets to promote the bout, plus they
get to promote Cassius Clay's next Title Defense {which would be against Floyd Patterson}.

That's '3' with Egg Roll.

The money is in the Closed Circuit promotion, 'not' in the fight purse.

With Closed Circuit receipts

Sonny gets Money............ and a lot of it, plus a house in Las Vegas, '2' new Cadillac's
and all gambling debts 'washed away'.

His wife Geraldine, even got a 'fully' stocked clothes boutique at the Sands Hotel in
Las Vegas to operate. Worth another cool $50,000.

Yes, Sonny Liston was a smart businessman.

Think about what you are saying!

If Sonny is a smart businessman then how can he have put himself in a situation where he would make more money losing the fight than winning.

Dumb, unless what you are saying is all the wrong end of the stick which it quite probably be.

Mr. Master

Economics 101

If Sonny Boy demolished 21 year-old Cassius Clay in February 1964,

Just what bout would Sonny Boy have next in 1964.

The answer is 'None'.

Eddie Machen was the next Challenger in line, but that bout would have
drawn 'Zero' interest from the public.

And, with the United States Marginal Tax-Rate at the time, Sonny Boy
would have been fighting for 'nothing'.

But, if Sonny Boy 'loses' to Cassius Clay in a controversial manner, Bingo.

Sonny Boy gets the $$$ rematch money {guarantee} and the 'rights' to
the promotion, and more.

Be advised, that Sonny Boy got very little money in his '2' bouts with
Floyd Patterson.

Sonny lost to the better man and there was no controversy.

The second one was and they did not have a third which blows away your theory again.

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Originally Posted by Master

Sonny lost to the better man and there was no controversy.

The second one was and they did not have a third which blows away your theory again.

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I guess you never met Robert Nilon or William Faversham Jr.

Do you even know who they are ?

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

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Originally Posted by Master

Sonny lost to the better man and there was no controversy.

The second one was and they did not have a third which blows away your theory again.

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I guess you never met Robert Nilon or William Faversham Jr.

Do you even know who they are ?

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Robert J. Nilon

Robert J. Nilon, 66, “One day at a time” of Lynn Township, Lehigh County, died Friday, January 30, 2009 in Palmerton Hospital.

Born in Darby, Delaware County, PA, he was a son of the late John W. and Lillian E. (Douthwaite) Nilon. He was Roman Catholic. He was a US Army veteran of the Vietnam War. For many years he was a truck driver for various companies. From 1988 until his retirement in 2003 he owned and operated Blue Mountain House of Hope, Inc., an inpatient facility for addiction recovery, now White Deer Run at Blue Mountain, Kempton, PA. He enjoyed racing sprint cars, sports and riding motorcycles.

See below >

Robert Nilon ..... President of I-C-P
Jack Nilon ........ Manager of Charles 'Sonny' Liston
James Nilon ..... Treasurer of I-C-P

I-C-P was the promotional group that 'handled' Charles 'Sonny' Liston.

The Nilon Brothers started a concession business out of Chester {Delaware County}
Pennsylvania in the late-1940's,

By 1953, it had grown into a multi-million dollar a year business.

The last thing they wanted, was 'noise' from Charles 'Sonny' Liston after 1963.