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I think he is. I don't see him being effective anymore. From even before the Chisora fight he was semi-retired. Shucks, he even said it before he turned pro and during his early years that he did not want to fight past 30 years of age.
To me, he had the goods. But he is just a semi-retired fighter now. More of a celebrity than he is a fighter training to fight for a major world title.
That, friends, is a huge waste.
I think the injuries did hinder him not the toe but the shoulder injury. He is a naturally small heavyweight and did his best work at cruiser weight. He earned as much money as possible at the end but did lose a lot of his credibility.
He was once seen as the saviour of a moribund HW division & as far as I'm concerned, he is now just a joke.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not belittling what he achieved, as he achieved a fair bit, but his legacy could have been so much better.
All what he did will be eclipsed by his 'toe' & the fact that he took up a new sport of pulling out of scheduled fights.
He's cooked his goose as far as I'm concerned, because I no longer trust him enough to ever to buy a ticket to watch him fight ever again; that's if he does bother to fight again.
He was good, but never really saw himself with the potential to be great. That's his story. He was content with being third string.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syntax Error
Thats the way I feel about Haye. If you can't trust someone to do what they say, they aren't worth having around. Life is too short to spend it listening to bullshit! IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by Syntax Error
The only thing Haye has wasted is everyones time and money, not least Tyson Furys.
Tyson has chased him back in to retirement.
He looked a bit podgy last night
How can you tell? He was wearing a fancy suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
In the face and just looked bigQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterHow can you tell? He was wearing a fancy suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
When wlad loses to Fury Haye will announce his retirement for good. He is waiting for Wlad to unify and then try to jump in again. He wouldn't have a hope in hell anyway but thats what he's waiting for. As iv said probably dozens of times, Haye couldn't live with a loss to Fury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonIn the face and just looked bigQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterHow can you tell? He was wearing a fancy suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Pretty much.
I didn't see him, but I don't like a big face either. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonIn the face and just looked bigQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterHow can you tell? He was wearing a fancy suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
There you have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
He still owes me money from tickets and hotels due to two cancelled fights
I wouldnt be surprised if he announced a comeback at some point soon - but will probably withdraw from fight a few weeks before
Only wanted the big fights and couldn't be arsed taking on the fringe fighters to get there
How many fights did he have - 25 or so ? Defo not 30 I don't think
Former Champion at 2 weights, made a a good bit of money wasted talent maybe,! but still
he was WBA HW Champion so all in all he did not do to bad did he.;)
True but then he sold his soul against Audley debacle and Wlad effort. Chisora fight was a side show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
I personally disagree on the David Haye subject. Yeah hes had his bad moments by making the wrong decision at the wrong time, but there was a time (and u never know there maybe a time) when made a decision and delivered 100%. Hes a man thats been there and done it, he first retired just at the right moment in his career. On top of his game and become a legend, then the wrong decision's started to be made. He had nothing more to prove, but what is the 1 thing we all men and women have to do when a time comes where at the top of our game and achieved the highest goals there is. Well after stepping aside we feel the need to not only prove ourselves to the world but to ourselves that we still have what it takes while in reality there's been the next up and comings more hungrier than ever. A place Haye once stood back in his prime, not for fame and glory but for respect, loyalty and honour fighting for his country.
He had a good run, champion in two weight classes, but yeah it's a shame we didn't get to see more of him. He was a fantastic talent, quick agile HW with huge power in both hands, very exciting style and personality for the HW division but I guess his heart wasn't really in it anymore. Shame we didn't get to see him in more fights.
I know this is a UK message board but come on people. No matter what the record book says Haye was not a heavyweight champion. There are multiple reasons Valuev wasn't the champion when Haye cherry picked him.
Haye did fine with his career. He did all he could and more. I say more because not only did he do all he could do but he tricked people into thinking he had greater ambitions. Tricked them repeatedly.
UK message board? There's more USA posters here than Brits.
I don't think so, he achieved pretty much all he could.
He could have won the IBF belt at cruiser but other than that not much else, his success at heavy was always going to be brief.
It shouldn't be a knock on him that he did all this inside 30 fights. Him being a prick for letting people down shouldn't come into it either.
Yes 100% Haye wasted time, talent, and money.
Haye lost to Odlanier Solis whom I suggested he fight to build up to a fight against Wladimir. By the way Solis just got beaten by Tony Thompson for the second time, this time he was stopped! The fight Haye fought vs Wladimir was dreadful. Wlad did what he wanted and David ran, flopped, and whined the entire fight and even AFTER the fight....my toe hurts :rolleyes:
There were PLENTY of heavyweights Haye could have and should have fought. Before Audley Harrison was found out and after Lennox Lewis retired there was this whole renewed interest in the British Title....why not win that? Why not avenge the amateur defeat to Solis? Why not fight Tyson Fury...indeed Haye could beat Fury right now if he so wanted and the bank he'd make from that would be HUGE!
David Haye is a part timer, a showboater, and a flake.....I hope boxing is rid of him for good and he can take Steve Bunce's stupid ass with him!
What's this about Haye's toe?
Is it on ITV? Is Eric in Barbados?
Lyle, what are Wlad's top ten best victories?
Surely the one vs Haye is in the mix because it was a big fight, but come on the effort put forward by Haye was atrocious given the amount of shit he talked for FOUR YEARS. Also "best victories", how? Best as in biggest fights, most meaningful, best performances? I'm more than willing to list my take on them I just want to know how you want me to rate them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
David Haye annoyed me for YEARS as you well know, but I never doubted his skill level. He's a superb athlete, he just would rather do the talk show circuit than be in the ring and I think that's a shame especially for you British boxing fans because he could have been very good as a heavyweight had he stayed more active.
Well Haye was clearly one of Wlad's best/famous wins so downplaying him doesn't do Wlad any favours.
If every fighter you best is "crap," how do you become "great?" You're just the least crap of a crap bunch.
Oh absolutely I understand and agree with that, and I've said that exact same thing about Floyd Mayweather Jr. and how he runs down his opponents. But I'm not saying David Haye is a crap fighter, I'm saying he had more talent than what he let boxing fans have. The fight vs Haye was a big one, certainly up there in terms of high profile wins for Wlad, but at that same time 4 years of "I'm taking the division by storm" 4 years of "I'm decapitating the brothers", 4 years of boasts and brags and to put out THAT effort vs Wlad come on, we all expected more, even as a Wlad fan I expected Haye to try to actually win pinkie toe be damned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I'm not saying David Haye is a shit fighter the way I think Tyson Fury IS a shit fighter who is well managed. David Haye had all the tools to be maybe not the Greatest of his era, but certainly 2nd or 3rd after Vitali's retirement. I'm not sure how Haye would handle Wilder or Jennings or Joshua and maybe that's part of the problem, but I think he could hold his own with plenty of others. Maybe Haye didn't have that belief in himself, or maybe he didn't have the drive to prove that to his fans, I don't know. I just think he had a lot left to offer the sport and the fans of boxing and it's a shame he didn't.......and that's ME saying that and I have hated David Haye since forever! He was certainly talented, but I think just losing once and quitting like that it's very Prince Naseem of him.
Think about the division from 2008 to present day and the matchups that David Haye could have had: Vitali, rematch with Wlad, Alexander Povetkin, Tyson Fury, David Price, Anthony Joshua, rematch with Valuev, Hasim Rahman, Sam Peter, Odlanier Solis, Chagaev, Tarver, Jennings, Cunningham, Adamek, Arreola, Stiverne, Malik Scott, Manuel Charr, Fres Oquendo, Eddie Chambers, Mike Perez, Luis Ortiz....I mean these are just names off the top of my head and each and every one of them would sell in England and shit he'd only face real danger in a handful.
In the end he won A heavyweight belt, he lost the belt, he fought Chisora and he quit....it's Prince Naseem take 2
Talk about setting your self up for a fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOh absolutely I understand and agree with that, and I've said that exact same thing about Floyd Mayweather Jr. and how he runs down his opponents. But I'm not saying David Haye is a crap fighter, I'm saying he had more talent than what he let boxing fans have. The fight vs Haye was a big one, certainly up there in terms of high profile wins for Wlad, but at that same time 4 years of "I'm taking the division by storm" 4 years of "I'm decapitating the brothers", 4 years of boasts and brags and to put out THAT effort vs Wlad come on, we all expected more, even as a Wlad fan I expected Haye to try to actually win pinkie toe be damned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I'm not saying David Haye is a shit fighter the way I think Tyson Fury IS a shit fighter who is well managed. David Haye had all the tools to be maybe not the Greatest of his era, but certainly 2nd or 3rd after Vitali's retirement. I'm not sure how Haye would handle Wilder or Jennings or Joshua and maybe that's part of the problem, but I think he could hold his own with plenty of others. Maybe Haye didn't have that belief in himself, or maybe he didn't have the drive to prove that to his fans, I don't know. I just think he had a lot left to offer the sport and the fans of boxing and it's a shame he didn't.......and that's ME saying that and I have hated David Haye since forever! He was certainly talented, but I think just losing once and quitting like that it's very Prince Naseem of him.
When Wlad loses his whole career is ruined;D
I can't see Haye ever fighting again, he made no mention of it on Saturday when co-hosting the Frampton fight and he did look rather chubby in the face too.
You can't knock a 2 weight Champion and Haye (nearly) always entertained and to do what he did in 30 fights is very impressive.
He simply hit a brick wall when it came to facing a Klitschko and bottled it no question.
Wlad and Vitali had it totally boxed off in the division and i think deep down he knew he'd never beat either brother and win a belt off them while they were still controlling the division so just thought whats the point in carrying on with these 2 around.
He can definitely look back and be pretty proud of what he achieved :cool:
If the fight gets made how about a little wager?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
What and how?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIf the fight gets made how about a little wager?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Fuck if I care Wlad isn't losing to that fat gypoQuote:
Originally Posted by rossWhat and how?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIf the fight gets made how about a little wager?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Ill have a think then if you don't care;)Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongFuck if I care Wlad isn't losing to that fat gypoQuote:
Originally Posted by rossWhat and how?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIf the fight gets made how about a little wager?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Have one. Also if Wlad doesn't stop Fury I won't hold you to your end, how's that?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIll have a think then if you don't care;)Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongFuck if I care Wlad isn't losing to that fat gypoQuote:
Originally Posted by rossWhat and how?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIf the fight gets made how about a little wager?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Haye was never a wasted talent. He was a very good fighter who beat some big names. At least he's not broke and homeless. He still has all his marbles. He has done the right thing not to end up like Holyfield or Toney who still has to fight to pay bills. Big Haye fan and have been for years.
Holy & Tony's boxing life spans over several decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
88 fights 23 years championships in MW, SMW, LHW, CW & fought at HW- has been named P4P in his life. Money can be made & lost, but U cant take away those accolades.
Point being: 23 years of fighting, yeah money has to be managed right, but whose to say where Haye will be when he is 45ish. That's a decade away M8.
27 years for Holy who won a major title in his 12th pro fight- cleaned out CW division, Has been named P4P the best. Beat the beast Tyson, has been etched in the boxing books for greatest fights with Bowe & did this in less than 50 fights.
He has been in more title fights than Haye has had fights in his smallish 10 year career with what? 28 fights? How many Top 5 fighters has he fought, let alone champs? I won't denigrate the European title he has held, but that's not a world title belt be it alphabet. & the fighters he's beaten? Have already been beaten.
Haye is a disgrace. With talent, makes it all the more punkified. He called the HW division a disgrace, then puss'd out vs Wlad... Dude really made Wlad look like a heluva champ.
Wlad was already a great champ, but Haye just proved how he could never be a fighter on his level.
I can somewhat agree here. He has been a wasted talent.
Not quite ready to write him off yet. When he comes back and we can visibly see his decline, then I'll be on board all the way.
I cant believe theres still people who want him back!
The last three fights he was supposed to be back, he actually signed but didnt fight!;D
Then he announced early last year he was going to be fighting in september last year and guess what... He didn't fight.
Wise up, he's not doing anything more than he has.
Well it's kinda like this man...Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
I don't wanna be jerked around by the little bastard anymore either.
But if he DOES come back and fight, I'll be both interested, and, should he prove further to be still a top contender (which injury aside, I don't see how he wouldn't be), then I'd be happy about it.
Haye was the best Cruiser of the 00's generation and at some point toward the end of Vitali's career, imo the 2nd best HW boxer in the world. And he brought style and action with him.
A guy with such speed and slickness and a 95% KOratio can't help but captivate just a little.