What are some fighters who were successful, despite having poor footwork?
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What are some fighters who were successful, despite having poor footwork?
Pacquiao had exceptionally fast feet but his actual footwork is terrible, hence always being off balance
Rocky Marciano had terrible footwork. Always off balance (which contributed greatly to his few knock downs), but I seem to recall he did OK as a fighter.
This video shows just how bad Pacquiao's footwork is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY_jNgC9TuMQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Manny is a good example but gets away with it most of the time.
Can't think of many, maybe Big George Foreman.
Didn't Ali go the ropes because Forman cut the ring of better than he thought he would?
That and the humidity. It wasn't pretty, but effective.
I think Pavlik would have been better if he knew how to cut the ring off. He followed, which has something to do with footwork??
Aaron Pryor was even more reckless than Pacquiao, which contributed to him getting dropped. Off balance more so than a suspect chin.
Maybe Nasim Hamed as well. He was flashy, but MAB exposed several weaknesses, one being his lack of balance.
What about Winky Wright? Not bad footwork really but it seemed he hardly moved much. Had to be one of the more flat footed top defensive fighters recently.
Rocky Marciano George Foreman my two favorites
That's the first god damn thing I ever agree with you on you f****** psychoQuote:
Originally Posted by X
Very sure footed? Once Bhop took away winkys jab his mauling tactics kept winky off balanced as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
What about George foreman??
I don't know who that fat guy was but he wasn't Winky ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeVery sure footed? Once Bhop took away winkys jab his mauling tactics kept winky off balanced as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Paul Williams just pretty much plodded forwards. Not a great fighter but footwork was worse than bad ;D
Williams was a dumb fighter. He didn't use his reach, he had poor defense, and he had a habit of lunging.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
He got it right with Margarito, fought his height and used condor like range. Probably the smartest fight he fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictWilliams was a dumb fighter. He didn't use his reach, he had poor defense, and he had a habit of lunging.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
If Paul Williams had gotten trained by Manny Steward early on in his career he would have been damn near unbeatable. His height, his frame, his stamina, his chin (which was great but got used too often and he left himself open vs Martinez specifically because he trusted his chin too much), he had good hand speed, so-so power. At 147 who was going to beat him had he fought like Tommy Hearns?Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictWilliams was a dumb fighter. He didn't use his reach, he had poor defense, and he had a habit of lunging.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Just goes to show how brutal and cruel this sport is, when you potentially have it all but really never achieve much.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIf Paul Williams had gotten trained by Manny Steward early on in his career he would have been damn near unbeatable. His height, his frame, his stamina, his chin (which was great but got used too often and he left himself open vs Martinez specifically because he trusted his chin too much), he had good hand speed, so-so power. At 147 who was going to beat him had he fought like Tommy Hearns?Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictWilliams was a dumb fighter. He didn't use his reach, he had poor defense, and he had a habit of lunging.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Absolutely! I think Meldrick Taylor is one of the best examples of that...blazing handspeed, great defense....but a cutesy style wasn't in his heart, he was a Philly fighter and wanted to fight a face first style.....he could have been Floyd Mayweather Jr before Floyd Mayweather Jr. laced up the gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Taylor chose to stand and trade with Chavez, which is suicide.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAbsolutely! I think Meldrick Taylor is one of the best examples of that...blazing handspeed, great defense....but a cutesy style wasn't in his heart, he was a Philly fighter and wanted to fight a face first style.....he could have been Floyd Mayweather Jr before Floyd Mayweather Jr. laced up the gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
And even if the fight hadn't been stopped, Taylor was in BAD shape by the end of it. I don't think too much would have changed.
I would have loved a prime Chavez to get his hands on Floyd and bust him up and break him down.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAbsolutely! I think Meldrick Taylor is one of the best examples of that...blazing handspeed, great defense....but a cutesy style wasn't in his heart, he was a Philly fighter and wanted to fight a face first style.....he could have been Floyd Mayweather Jr before Floyd Mayweather Jr. laced up the gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Absolutely....but had Taylor BOXED which is what he was bloody brilliant at he would have schooled Chavez and gone on to be an All-Time great, no doubt in my mind. But like I said, that style which was very effective for him, was one he was TAUGHT it wasn't in his heart and some fighters fight with their hearts over their brains and to be honest I think it's a mistake for any fighter to trust one too much over the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictTaylor chose to stand and trade with Chavez, which is suicide.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAbsolutely! I think Meldrick Taylor is one of the best examples of that...blazing handspeed, great defense....but a cutesy style wasn't in his heart, he was a Philly fighter and wanted to fight a face first style.....he could have been Floyd Mayweather Jr before Floyd Mayweather Jr. laced up the gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
And even if the fight hadn't been stopped, Taylor was in BAD shape by the end of it. I don't think too much would have changed.
That one fight ruined Taylor, but that style was how he wanted to fight in his heart.
He stuck 100 percent to the fight plan. They thought that Taylor would be stronger than Chavez. My friend was in their camp and Taylor, who came to camp at 180, fought the exact fight they planned out.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictTaylor chose to stand and trade with Chavez, which is suicide.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAbsolutely! I think Meldrick Taylor is one of the best examples of that...blazing handspeed, great defense....but a cutesy style wasn't in his heart, he was a Philly fighter and wanted to fight a face first style.....he could have been Floyd Mayweather Jr before Floyd Mayweather Jr. laced up the gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
And even if the fight hadn't been stopped, Taylor was in BAD shape by the end of it. I don't think too much would have changed.
Was gonna say George Foreman too, I wouldn't call cutting off the ring good foot work. More of ring generalship.During his comeback lateral movement wasn't happening, that was just him moving his upper body side to side. Straight forward like a bulldozer.
Depending on where the "great" tag begins, John Mugabi had some of the worst feet I have ever seen.
Tito developed bad feet when he locked on to his power. Every time he was dropped was because of it and later he started to plod like George Chuvalo. Rinse and repeat.
Naseem Hamed got caught off balance more than once
Remember when David Reids legs started to go near the end. Poor guy was boxing in wet flip flops. And that's no fookin fun!
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Originally Posted by IamInuit
His bad feet/balance led to many flash knockdowns early in his career (all of which led to knockouts to the perpetrators). Later on, he corrected that and you didn't see nearly the number of knockdowns.
Tito did still have bambi legs but you are right if he was put down it was by better fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
His bad feet/balance led to many flash knockdowns early in his career (all of which led to knockouts to the perpetrators). Later on, he corrected that and you didn't see nearly the number of knockdowns.
I remember that guy...his eye would start swelling during the ring walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli