After the destruction of corrales Floyd discussed fighting Naz in the post fight interview.
Both would have made alot of money.
I see Floyd winning in every way.
How would that fight have played out?
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After the destruction of corrales Floyd discussed fighting Naz in the post fight interview.
Both would have made alot of money.
I see Floyd winning in every way.
How would that fight have played out?
If I remember right, Floyd virtually begged for the fight. Floyd would've schooled Naz.
I remember on Hameds website - where we all met before this place - he had his fight prediction for each of the main guys around his weight at the time. I'm pretty certain Hamed had Floyd down as a KO2 win .
Shame it didn't happen though yes he would have got schooled and would've barely laid a glove on him
I can think of very few bigger mismatches. Naz had his strengths. And I have to admit I still watch his highlights. But he has absolutely nothing for Floyd. And that is why Naz never ever ever would have considered the fight.
A better matchup that never seems to get mention, perhaps because Steward openly admitted they ducked him was Marquez.
Or better yet Pacquiao, PAC hated counter punchers. Few bring counters with the sting of Naz.
For me, this question begs another question: how much of Naseem Hamed’s decline was attributable to the fact that he fought way above his natural weight class. I mean, did he ever even once have a reach advantage?
Maybe its just me, but I don’t pay too much attention to fighters below lightweight. So when I first heard about this matchup, I viewed Hamed as roughly the same size as PBF. Those small guys all look alike. ;-)
But in reality, PBF has a 4 inch / 8 inch height / reach advantage. He’s just a much bigger guy. As was Barrera, albeit not as much.
I know of no other fighter who is judged so much by how he fought against larger opponents. I mean, Duran was dominated by Hagler, imo, but all you hear is how held his ground and sneered at a naturally bigger HOFer. The Prince gets similarly schooled by HOFer Barrera...and all we hear about is how he was exposed.
Maybe that’s his fault. He wanted the big money fights and no one really pays too much attention to bantamweights. Be that as it may, it just seems that this fact is always overlooked.
Naz was small but he had freakish power and wiped out a lot because of that even when he had been hurt later in his career.
Naz was never the same after his fallout with his trainer Ingle. After that he relied on his power. However Naz was the best featherweight in the division at one time.
Steve Robinson had height and reach on Naz and in his first fight at the weight he blew him away. That Naz was truly awesome.
Wait, he moved up 4 pounds from Super Bantamweight to Featherweight and you think it is all about that? Most all fighters move up at some point or another. Naz was short and stocky at Super Bantamweight too. That's how he got the power from his legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manju
Naz had huge legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonWait, he moved up 4 pounds from Super Bantamweight to Featherweight and you think it is all about that? Most all fighters move up at some point or another. Naz was short and stocky at Super Bantamweight too. That's how he got the power from his legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manju
I bet you were a proper Naz lover weren't you Master
Hated the fucker, so glad when Barrera beat him. Probably appreciated him later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
That surprises me. Fair enough.
I didn't hate him as he made me laugh some of the time but always cheered on his opponent. Yet I felt short changed when he walked away and wanted him back.
I had a similar experience with Naz. Guy made me laugh constantly so I enjoyed him. But it drove me crazy how overrated he was. He was really good don't get me wrong. But there was a reason he was kept away from Marquez. All the physical talent in the world doesn't help you if you are against someone with skills and talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
I always enjoyed his fights for the entertainment he brought. He made us take notice of the little guys. Against Floyd it would be a repeat of what happened against Barrera.
You have to judge the versions of Naz and Floyd back then not now with their full career stamped. Naz was already past his pomp by 2000 and Floyd wasn't a superstar. However, no way Floyd is making 126 without killing himself.
Naz would've knocked Floyd the fug out. Brutal sleeper KO inside three rounds. Augie Sanchez beat Floyd, look what Naz did to him.
Whoomp there it is!
You have to judge the versions of Naz and Floyd back then not now with their full career stamped. Naz was already past his pomp by 2000 and Floyd wasn't a superstar. However, no way Floyd is making 126 without killing himself.
Naz would've knocked Floyd the fug out. Brutal sleeper KO inside three rounds. Augie Sanchez beat Floyd, look what Naz did to him.
Whoomp there it is!
Two guys going in different directions physically and mentally at that point. Floyd still had a chip on his shoulder and his hands and pop compared to speed and accuracy of Kelly, Sanchez or Barrera who all spun and stunned Naz would be lasting. Then again..Augustus has to be similar awkward to Hamed. Minus the instant brick but he connected often with earlier Floyd. Floyd spanks him.
Floyd to Hamed , " There you go I believe I need to hand you this back " - :bootyshake:
Naz was such an unorthodox and gifted fighter, and he could knock you silly with one shot. Naz reminded me of a smaller, less disciplined Roy Jones Jr., who could not only move fast and hit hard, but would throw hard punches from ridiculous angles and positions that you wouldn't see coming. During his best, at 122/126, he would've been a handful for most.
The reality of this match up, however, is that Floyd was just too damn good and had some impressive physical gifts himself (especially at 130). I see Floyd hesitant for the first few rounds, and then coming on through the mid to late rounds to take the wide decision. He would counter Naz silly, punish him with his jab, and walk him down in the latter stages of the fight. Bad match up for the Prince.
Good old Fenny. Can always be reined to make a case with a few massaged stats and a bit of lateral debating skill that can make you totally ignore what you actually see with your own eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Btw , loving the " Augie Sanchez"effort. I hear they're bringing a new World HW Title out of the "REAL" champion , and Magomedrasul Majidov is fighting Dillian Whyte. ;)
Well at least I offer something different, even if tongue in cheek.
Naz ducked Marquez will forever be the gospel among boxing fans because he was the WBO manadtory, however, it's a bona-fide fact that Marquez turned down the Naz fight. This is completely ignored though as it doesn't suit the narrative.
The very same fans today that criticise fighters for not facing the best, unifying belts, clearing out divisions, would have criticised Naz back then for facing Marquez. Anyone that "knew" Marquez was an all-time great before he even won a "world" title and was stinking the joint out "losing" to Freddy Norwood is talking bollocks.
another prime example of a mayweather ducking
we'll never know who would have won because there was too much risk of mayweather losing
doesn't that say it all?
Understand where you're coming from, but the Marquez point , although I'm sure is valid wasn't the case in point it was about Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
So Floyd ducked Naz now did he? not how I remember it, I've got to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
From what I remember , And correct me if I'm wrong, But Floyd wanted Naz, . Naz was Featherweight , Floyd was a Lightweight , which is a 4 Lb difference. Floyd offered to come down 2 Lbs if Naz came up 2 Lbs. Warren said no. Floyd was a young brash up and comer and Warren was protecting the Crown Jewels.
If I'm wrong , I'm happy to be corrected.;)
9 stones (126lb) is the featherweight limit and 9 stone 9lb (135lb) is the lightweight limit.
In the period of time that their careers intersected, they were on completely different trajectories.
Naz started off as a freak ..... he had unbelievable reflexes, confidence, he genuinely liked to hurt people, and he had eye opening power.
By the time that Floyd was on the scene, he was parting company with the trainers who created him, was shirking training and his reflexes had begun to deteriorate (and once that happened, he didn't have the ingrained technique to get away with it). He was also, in my view, fighting well above the weight he should have been.
Later on, Floyd was a true master boxer with superb technique, great ring generalship and a formidable array of weapons at his disposal. Early on though, he was unproven and he left himself much more open to being countered as he was much more aggressive.
If they had fought each other AT THAT time, I think Floyd would have prevailed. It wouldn't have been an easy fight, but he would be a lot bigger than Naz and at some point The Prince would have found his power wouldn't carry up. There would be a fair bit of risk to Floyd at this stage, but he was a hungry guy on the way up then. I think he was just better schooled and trained than Naseem was.
If you picked a hypothetical matchup between the two, based on them at their respective peaks, then there is no contest for me. Mayweather dominates, defuses Naz and makes him look stupid for twelve rather boring rounds,
I meant Jr. Lightweight clever bollocks! 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
You never wrote that numb nuts. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI meant Jr. Lightweight clever bollocks! 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Floyd ducked Duran as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Yeah, bad style match up for Floyd! 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by impFloyd ducked Duran as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Apparently both Sugar Rays wanted a 3 way tournament to see who the ATG was, but Floyd turned them down because he insisted on being the "A" side!
Yes I could believe that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYeah, bad style match up for Floyd! 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by impFloyd ducked Duran as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Apparently both Sugar Rays wanted a 3 way tournament to see who the ATG was, but Floyd turned them down because he insisted on being the "A" side!
Floyd would've ducked Naz..... just like JMM did. :-X
Floyd-Naz was never a viable option, everyone wanted Naz back then solely because of the dough he generated, just like everyone today calls out Floyd. It's the equivalent today of Eubank Jr calling out Floyd for a catchweight fight, regardless of what Jr says nobody expects the fight to happen as Floyd is naturally too small and has nothing to gain from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraUnderstand where you're coming from, but the Marquez point , although I'm sure is valid wasn't the case in point it was about Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Imagine giving Floyd a 5 inch height, 9 inch reach and weight advantage? Yeah.. forget little Naz, there's not a fighter in history beating Floyd under those conditions.
remember it as you willQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraSo Floyd ducked Naz now did he? not how I remember it, I've got to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
From what I remember , And correct me if I'm wrong, But Floyd wanted Naz, . Naz was Featherweight , Floyd was a Lightweight , which is a 4 Lb difference. Floyd offered to come down 2 Lbs if Naz came up 2 Lbs. Warren said no. Floyd was a young brash up and comer and Warren was protecting the Crown Jewels.
If I'm wrong , I'm happy to be corrected.;)
suppose it was a similar reason Floyd never fought Mosley when mosley was competitive or why the Floyd v Pac fight was far too late
Yeah, makes total sense. Floyd is gonna wait for Manny to get old even though he's 2 years older than Manny!!
Come on Eric, hate is ok, we all have it, but don't let it change the historic facts.
I'm not even saying Naz avoided or ducked Floyd. I'm pretty confident he would've fought him, Naz didn't fear anyone. What I'm saying is that Warren didn't want it in a month of Sundays. High risk, low reward, and nobody can deny that Warren has a long history of protecting his top fighters and their records. Calzaghe springs to mind, and many others.
Mate, sometimes it's good for the soul to admit you're wrong about something . 😉😂
Yes, you should try it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
you don't need to play the hate card, I don't hate, i'm not arsedQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
and manny would fight any one at any time, so then im not sure why the fight of the century didn't happen 5 years earlier
You're not arsed? You and @Master talk more about Floyd than anyone else on the forum!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you don't need to play the hate card, I don't hate, i'm not arsedQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
and manny would fight any one at any time, so then im not sure why the fight of the century didn't happen 5 years earlier
One of the reasons banded round was that he wouldn't take the drug tests . Apparently , according to his trainer needles made him feel bad. But when they eventually fought, he took the tests.
I don't think that it is unreasonable to drug test someone who started his career as a 7 1/2 stone guy with no apparent punch power and then fought at nearly 50% increased body weight knocking guys out for fun. just saying.
I don't go on about Floyd more than most mate, I avoid the vast majority of Floyd threadsQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou're not arsed? You and @Master talk more about Floyd than anyone else on the forum!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you don't need to play the hate card, I don't hate, i'm not arsedQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
and manny would fight any one at any time, so then im not sure why the fight of the century didn't happen 5 years earlier
One of the reasons banded round was that he wouldn't take the drug tests . Apparently , according to his trainer needles made him feel bad. But when they eventually fought, he took the tests.
I don't think that it is unreasonable to drug test someone who started his career as a 7 1/2 stone guy with no apparent punch power and then fought at nearly 50% increased body weight knocking guys out for fun. just saying.
I opened this because Naz is one of my favourite ever fighters :)
and if you want to see the needle reason as the reason the fight didn't happen then that's your prerogative, you can do what you wanna do
I for one think the fight didn't happen (as the reason a lot of fights don't happen) was because one of the fighters was afraid of defeat
and I don't think manny was afraid to lose
We also subsequently found out that Floyd loves the use of needles himself. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44I don't go on about Floyd more than most mate, I avoid the vast majority of Floyd threadsQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou're not arsed? You and @Master talk more about Floyd than anyone else on the forum!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you don't need to play the hate card, I don't hate, i'm not arsedQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
and manny would fight any one at any time, so then im not sure why the fight of the century didn't happen 5 years earlier
One of the reasons banded round was that he wouldn't take the drug tests . Apparently , according to his trainer needles made him feel bad. But when they eventually fought, he took the tests.
I don't think that it is unreasonable to drug test someone who started his career as a 7 1/2 stone guy with no apparent punch power and then fought at nearly 50% increased body weight knocking guys out for fun. just saying.
I opened this because Naz is one of my favourite ever fighters :)
and if you want to see the needle reason as the reason the fight didn't happen then that's your prerogative, you can do what you wanna do
I for one think the fight didn't happen (as the reason a lot of fights don't happen) was because one of the fighters was afraid of defeat
and I don't think manny was afraid to lose