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English building and architecture is better.
Another slight difference is - one is 10% the height of the other and didn't get blasted by a 500 mph plane carrying 10,000+ gallons of fuel.
Fuel that is proven by fact to not reach temperatures that can melt steel.
One fire started on the 4th floor then went upwards gutting the entire building and burning for 15 plus hours, while the other was hit high up, burned for 2 hours but managed to damage the untouched steel structure thousands of feet below.
There was also no steel in the London building just concrete.
Come on people open your eyes.
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Originally Posted by smashup
Steel doesn't have to MELT for it to lose it's structural integrity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA
But whatever
The building controller who passed this specification should be hung.
Is that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
People are annoyed about the inaction and a real response to the tragedyQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliIs that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Seems tragedy and empty rhetoric of officials in response knows no boarders. Was it Government owned or private. Almost sounds like it was a death trap.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterPeople are annoyed about the inaction and a real response to the tragedyQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliIs that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Government owned and they may have picked a cheap cladding which may have made the fire spread quickerQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliSeems tragedy and empty rhetoric of officials in response knows no boarders. Was it Government owned or private. Almost sounds like it was a death trap.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterPeople are annoyed about the inaction and a real response to the tragedyQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliIs that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Terrorists were mixing bombs and screwed it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterGovernment owned and they may have picked a cheap cladding which may have made the fire spread quickerQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliSeems tragedy and empty rhetoric of officials in response knows no boarders. Was it Government owned or private. Almost sounds like it was a death trap.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterPeople are annoyed about the inaction and a real response to the tragedyQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliIs that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
The building will be made to a specification , if the contractor used the specified materials then he isn't at fault. That would put the fault with the architect and design team.
If the contractor used unspecified materials which didn't meet British Standard then not only is he to blame , but the building inspectors and control team who are paid to make sure the construction is up to specification before passing it as a habitable dwelling/dwellings are also at fault.
Dudes, it's a shame but fire makes shit burn, sorry to tell that to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
I have a house and if something caught on fire it very well may burn to the ground.
The Grenfell tower was an awful accident, but the New York thing was an evil terrorist attack.
Thank you Red AdairQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusDudes, it's a shame but fire makes shit burn, sorry to tell that to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Not entirely sure how Government funded and supported housing programs work there but many places here are notorious for bad conditions and health-code violations. Until recently a couple locally were accidents waiting with limited entry- exit and half the emergency fixtures busted.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterGovernment owned and they may have picked a cheap cladding which may have made the fire spread quickerQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliSeems tragedy and empty rhetoric of officials in response knows no boarders. Was it Government owned or private. Almost sounds like it was a death trap.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterPeople are annoyed about the inaction and a real response to the tragedyQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliIs that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
This is thankfully a rare event and government regulated buildings normally have high standards. Whoever passed this refurbishment is in serious trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliNot entirely sure how Government funded and supported housing programs work there but many places here are notorious for bad conditions and health-code violations. Until recently a couple locally were accidents waiting with limited entry- exit and half the emergency fixtures busted.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterGovernment owned and they may have picked a cheap cladding which may have made the fire spread quickerQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliSeems tragedy and empty rhetoric of officials in response knows no boarders. Was it Government owned or private. Almost sounds like it was a death trap.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterPeople are annoyed about the inaction and a real response to the tragedyQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliIs that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
The list mate is mind blowing. It is a damning indictment of what happens when money becomes the bottom line and people's safety, care and well being is deemed irrelevant. Literally years of warning from the residents themselves, No proper safety procedures, Gas pipes all up the stairwells, no sprinklers, clad in highly inflammable material, fire exits blocked, access for fire trucks restricted by adjacent building, huge cuts to the fire service, etc, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliNot entirely sure how Government funded and supported housing programs work there but many places here are notorious for bad conditions and health-code violations. Until recently a couple locally were accidents waiting with limited entry- exit and half the emergency fixtures busted.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterGovernment owned and they may have picked a cheap cladding which may have made the fire spread quickerQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliSeems tragedy and empty rhetoric of officials in response knows no boarders. Was it Government owned or private. Almost sounds like it was a death trap.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterPeople are annoyed about the inaction and a real response to the tragedyQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliIs that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Warning form the residents themselves in 2013 - https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpres...ing-with-fire/
here at the foot of the article are another 9 warnings from residents 9 years ago - http://www.globalresearch.ca/britain...s-like/5595084
Heads should Roll, from the top down.
Here is an example from the former Tory Mayor of London dismissing legitimate concerns about public service cuts to the fire service. Typical of the current Governments attitude (he is a current secretary of state and former wananbe PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN3e-aYUusc
I donated some money into a ladys bucket at Paddington station today which is just down the road, she said it was dodgy gas that might have somehow started it off but the cladding used is pure criminal.
If they would have spend just £2 more they would have bought the fire resistant cladding instead of the cheaper flammable stuff they used.
People are still sleeping in their cars over a week on and some were given £10 a night to "help them out in the short term"? WTF
It's fucking unbelievable whats happened to these people.
So I know that these folks weren't the best off to start with but did they not have Renter's Insurance? Typically that covers "Loss of Use" which is certainly covered in the case of a fire. Granted that's not for like extended stays in other places, but it's enough to get you to a new place.....probably hard in such a big city, but typically actuaries take that into account with premium prices and the like.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongSo I know that these folks weren't the best off to start with but did they not have Renter's Insurance? Typically that covers "Loss of Use" which is certainly covered in the case of a fire. Granted that's not for like extended stays in other places, but it's enough to get you to a new place.....probably hard in such a big city, but typically actuaries take that into account with premium prices and the like.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
I think all hard working people have house insurance , so they will be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongSo I know that these folks weren't the best off to start with but did they not have Renter's Insurance? Typically that covers "Loss of Use" which is certainly covered in the case of a fire. Granted that's not for like extended stays in other places, but it's enough to get you to a new place.....probably hard in such a big city, but typically actuaries take that into account with premium prices and the like.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Once the insurance companies get their finger out and pay them.
You have to feel for them. Being suddenly displaced and losing everything literally within one hr or less is near dehumanizing. Unless you have immediate family close or a good chunk of money in the bank you go into hr to hr improvising looking for any semblance of 'normal'. We were flooded out a decade ago no insurance, the property roped off and ruled uninhabitable even though you could 'see' your possessions no one is allowed back in. No hotels, no cash and slept in the auto in a fookin Walmart parking lot for days with sponge baths :-X at car washes (that shit hurts btw) or any store bathroom you could manage. You count on the kindness of strangers like never before and it's all you can do not to snap.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Do you guys have anything like the Red Cross over there? With isolated fires or apartments being damaged badly they try to chip in for at least a few nights in a hotel here and a few hot meals. Good on you for coming out of your own pocket for them.
What now? Is it audacious to ask if they had insurance?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWow.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongSo I know that these folks weren't the best off to start with but did they not have Renter's Insurance? Typically that covers "Loss of Use" which is certainly covered in the case of a fire. Granted that's not for like extended stays in other places, but it's enough to get you to a new place.....probably hard in such a big city, but typically actuaries take that into account with premium prices and the like.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Yes remember the left wants us all to work harder as we are supporting over 50 other people of all nationalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhat now? Is it audacious to ask if they had insurance?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWow.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongSo I know that these folks weren't the best off to start with but did they not have Renter's Insurance? Typically that covers "Loss of Use" which is certainly covered in the case of a fire. Granted that's not for like extended stays in other places, but it's enough to get you to a new place.....probably hard in such a big city, but typically actuaries take that into account with premium prices and the like.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
I thought @Beanz was a huge fan of the NHS but apparently property insurance is just to bourgeois for him
It does not work like that in the UK. In council housing you do not own the property and while you may insure your home for contents, fire and theft the companies will do all they can to avoid paying out anything but the minimum and the rates for covering something like re-homing would probably be astronomical.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Hmmm here I had little trouble collecting money for water damage. Got a new floor in my basement fully paid for. Then the bastards waited a while and dropped me. That was over 10 years without a claim. I then had trouble being accepted by a new place. So you pay not to use it, bastards.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzIt does not work like that in the UK. In council housing you do not own the property and while you may insure your home for contents, fire and theft the companies will do all they can to avoid paying out anything but the minimum and the rates for covering something like re-homing would probably be astronomical.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Years
:vd: contents ARE property and if you have renters insurance it pays for loss of use ergo my asking "Do they have insurance? "Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzIt does not work like that in the UK. In council housing you do not own the property and while you may insure your home for contents, fire and theft the companies will do all they can to avoid paying out anything but the minimum and the rates for covering something like re-homing would probably be astronomical.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
WOW WOW WOW WOW
Of course they will have all had contents insurance , now they wait for the insurance scum to pay up.
Corbyn wants to requisition private/corporate property to house all the people from Grenfell Tower?
Bad move IMO, but hey I believe in private property rights :-X
No you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Would you care to explain that Beanz or shall I gaze into my crystal ball and attempt to summon whatever the fuck you're talking about out of thin air?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzNo you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
You don't because you support people like Trump who hounds people out of their own properties when they refuse to sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzNo you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I know you are desperate to be outraged by anything the left does but THIS IS NOT AMERICA. Corbyn asked the government to consider using compulsory purchase orders for flats in the area that are deliberately kept vacant. (land banking)
What Corbyn actually said was
"But can't we as a society just think, all of us, it's all very well putting our arms around people during the crisis but homelessness is rising, the housing crisis is getting worse and my point was quite a simple one.
"In an emergency, you have to bring all assets to the table in order to deal with that crisis and that's what I think we should be doing in this case."
He questioned why people had been left stranded when airlines are able to find accommodation for delayed travellers.
Mr Corbyn said: "Every day at Heathrow, planes get delayed. Hundreds of people get stranded at airports all over the world.
"Hotels are found for them immediately, they are sorted out.
"400 or so people, still most of them have not got somewhere decent, safe or secure to stay in.
"Somehow or other, it seems to be beyond the wit of the public services to deal with the crisis facing a relatively small number of people in a country of 65 million."
Apparently it has now happened
68 flats have been purchased by the City of London Corporation in a deal brokered by the Homes and Communities Agency (HCA).
The newly built homes are in two affordable housing blocks are on a site where private homes are on offer from £1,575,000 to £8.5 million.
The Department for Communities and Local Government (DCLG) said the "expectation is that these new properties will be offered as one of the options to permanently rehouse residents from Grenfell Tower".
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-a3570331.html
And yet there is outrage
As though people would be happier that flats were left empty and those affected were left to sleep on the street and add to the numbers of homeless.
It's what happens when people lose perspective, Fucking money mad pricks
Oh thank you for providing me so many examples of Trump doing such :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
So you're FOR eminent domain unsurprising.
Why not use hotels to temporarily house these folks? If the housing is going to be temporary that is.
Why can't they live in their own neighbourhood ? It's not temporary. The flats will be paid for and no longer empty.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOh thank you for providing me so many examples of Trump doing such :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
So you're FOR eminent domain unsurprising.
Why not use hotels to temporarily house these folks? If the housing is going to be temporary that is.
NEVER
EVER
anything about the fact that huge swathes of London are bought up by your friends the Saudis and the Russians and land banked
Poor foreigners = fuck em
Rich Foreigners = Hooray
Never mind the fact that they don't live or spend money here
See you lot don't even really believe in controlled borders
You just hate poor people
Who is saying they can't live in their own neighborhood? Sooo the government is supposed to buy apartments regardless of their worth AND make them available for people who (pardon me if I'm mistaken) aren't the best off in terms of money? The apartments are already paid for by the folks who own them else the banks would own them and I'm sorry YOU don't get to tell people how they use their property. If I get a super awesome car and feel like taking a sledge hammer to it just for shits and giggles you can't stop me from doing that because you want that car dig?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
"NEVER EVER" what? About eminent domain? That's EXACTLY what you're espousing here I mean by the damned letter man.
And I assume Londoners fucking sold those buildings to those folks....again not your property, tough luck.
Poor foreigners cost money ....Rich foreigners spend money....jobs, economy, etc
Unless the wealthy foreigners are evil and going to commit acts of terrorism then yeah they should be allowed to go where they please, same rules for the poor folks too. I'm consistent.
"You just hate poor people".....oh why don't you just call me a Kulak and send me to a gulag Comrade fucking hell.