Quote Originally Posted by Max Power View Post
Well I don't condone the Povetkin fights holding, that was a bit much for me. I will defend him in the light of Muhammad Ali and John Ruiz employing similar or in my opinion worse tactics to win regularly.

As I said once before, Wladimir only clinches those short ass opponents who rush at him. If they tried to BOX Wlad they would get their face punched in. Wlad's optimal place to have his opponent, where he wants them, is at the end of his jab and later his right.

Foreman pushed his opponents off him to get them there. Wladimir grabs them and then seperates. I don't think that's cheating. I think it's a legal clinch. You cannot eliminate it from boxing, you must learn to clinch to survive.
look mate we are on opposite polls when it comes to opinion on this, i cant see how anyone could put what wlad does in anywhere near the same bracket as ali, forman, ruiz

you asked me to watch ali v frazier, i did and the two are so far apart, they resemble different sports

if an alien came down from mars and you explained boxing to him, gave him the rule book then showed him a wlad fight and you said "would you say that this is boxing?" i reckon the little green fellow would say nah