Why I hate the P4P rankings

[Kev]

It's amazing how serioulsy fans take the P4P rankings. It's all utter bollocks.

Joan Guzman would beat half the current ranked P4P top 10 (legit, respected, ) with his eyes closed.. but no-one rates him in the top 10 because even though he possesses a clear sick talent he doesn't have the "names" on his resume.. the very same "names" that wont fight him because he's avoidable..

Just playing devil's advocate here.
If he hasn't been matched up against top-tier opposition how can you be sure his skills are as sick as you claim? You can have all the potential/skills in the world, but until to prove you can beat or compete with the best you do not belong among them IMO. Plenty of guys look great until they meet a Pacquiao or a Hopkins.

P4P is about mythical match-ups with size and weight leveled. Guzman fighting Pac doesn't need the mythical bullshit, they're the same weight.. they fight - we get the better man.

But the likes of Pac can avoid Guzman because he doesn''t need him. Too big a risk for too little reward.. and even were they to fight and Pac wins would that mean as a hardcore follower of boxing, in a P4P scenario would you bet against Guzman over the likes of Hatton, Marquez, Cotto, Pavlik, Vasquez etc...?

I don't see p4p as being about mythical matchups at all. I rate fighters based purely on what they have already achieved. What they might go on to do doesn't come into it at all.

I don't even think when done properly that subjective experience comes into it that much. I wouldn't say it does for me.

I think the majority of boxing experts and well educated fans on here rate fighters strictly according to their actual acomplishments so far and not whether they think afighter is potentially better or not.

I actually agree with you regarding Guzman. I'd pick him right now over Marquez and Paquaio. I also believe R Marquez and maybe Isreal as well are no longer the fighers they were when they began their trilogy and that they could end up losing to the likes of Cabellero, Molitor and Ponce De Leon as their wars have taken too much out of them both.

Does this mean I'd even consider rating any og these fighters above them? Hell no, they havn't acomplished anything like these guys have.

In reality the P4P rankings are always a bit out of date as they reflect past acomplishments.

I absolutely belive Hopkins, Pacquiao, JMM Marquez are all top 5 p4p stars but I absolutely believe that there are younger fighters coming up who could beat them. Guzman would beat both Manny and Juan Marquez imo and I really think Hopkins wouldn't be able to beat a young lion like Chad Dawson or a a relentless young puncher like Kelly Pavlik. He's too old, although he'd give them a hell of a tough fight.