Quote Originally Posted by Deanrw View Post
This can be said about many fighters.

You could ask did Pavlik ruin Miranda or Zertuche? They were not the same after running into him.

Physical beatings you can recover from, but certain mindsets will never recover from a bad loss. It will always be on the back of their mind. When a fighter is undefeated, they feel invulnerable. Fighters can handle points losses usually fine. KO losses or beatings shows a fighter how human they are and they can lose their fire that helped elevate them in the first place.

Joe took away Lacy's fire. The mystique he once had for himself was gone and he knew he had limitations. His injury took more away from him, so he has fallen quite far.


Neither Miranda or Zertuche took the hammering Lacy took. There is a marked difference pre and post Calzaghe, Miranda looks the same and would lose to Abrahams Pavlik defeat or not. Im not sure Manfredo would take Lacy to a SD pre Calzaghe, do you?