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Listen. Pavlik's following is deserved. His punches pack a wallop. His defense is porous. He is an action fighter. He brings the fight to his opponent. He has a KO rate of 90%. All this makes for fan friendly fights. Name the last Pavlik fight that didn't entertain you? I guess the one-sided beat-down of Enzo's boy wasn't much of a contest, but I think arguing it wasn't entertaining would be going too far. All this and the guy is only 26. He took on Jermain Taylor when he was 25.

Are his abilities overrated? Possibly. It is undisputed that he is a one dimensional fighter, but so far it has worked.

Bernard will be a big test for Kelly. If Kelly beats down Bernard, doing what Calzaghe couldn't do, then I think not only does Kelly deserve his following, but he isn't overrated as a fighter either. Granted, I don't think that will happen.

I agree Calzaghe should be favored if Kelly and Joe were to meet next year. I don't think Joe wants any part of Kelly because the risk/reward ratio. Kelly doesn't have the Hopkins RJJ name, and he is more likely to knock you out.


Im a Pavlik fan you cannot dislike the guy! its the nut jobs that think he is the second coming of Christ. Pavlik is a limited power punching brawler that will find against Hopkins that unless he adds a dimension he will not hang with a Calzaghe, Kessler, Bute.

Do not mistake me as a Pavlik hater, im a realist. Problem is Pavliks fans have what i call "power punch syndrome" in which he gains a good fowllowing and in that following are total tards that trash every fighter in and around his weight whilst proclaim their man as Jesus b2b God b2b Zelenoffs lack of heart.

I remember the same happened in the Uk with Nigel Benn, people get blinded by power and so-called "white collar"

Lets hope Pavlik can be 50% of what Benn was.
Pavlik can't hang with Kessler? That's ridiculous. Does Kessler have a chin to handle a Pavlik punch? He backed out of a fight with Miranda and fought two club fighters over the past year.

Bute has only one convincing win on his resume: Sakio Bika. A fight with Bute would never happen because who outside of Montreal knows anything about Bute?

I give Joe the edge in a fight with Pavlik although I was a bit dismayed he took the fight with RJJ rather than fight Pavlik, you should hope that isn't indicative of any doubt. Remember what Pavlik did to his stablemate. Didn't that guy retire after the fight?

Answer me this: what if Pavlik beats Bernard in a better fashion than Joe beat Bernard? Gains your respect?

Well i certainly know about Lucian Bute he is the only fighter who has ever stopped Kabary Salem, who heavily dropped Joe Calzaghe. And gave Joe Calzaghe 12 tough/awkward rounds.

He also stopped Alejandro Berrio who isn't a bad fighter, and has a very high KO percentage. Sakio Bika say what you want about him, but no one has had an easy time with Sakio Bika.

Including Joe Calzaghe who received a very tough physical fight, where he looked like he was fading a bit near the end of the fight. Lucian Bute beat Sakio Bika more convincing than anyone else has including Joe Calzaghe.

And now Lucian Bute is fighting Librado Andrade so he is willing, to fight the top fighters in the Super Middleweight division. I've told people from last year Lucian Bute is the dark horse of the division, and he will suprise many people.