Quote Originally Posted by amat View Post
The thing is though Diz, you don't rank guys P4P in the division. You can see why too.

Because P4P is mythical and has no set guidelines. There is no path becoming ranked top pound for pound it's just something that's purely subjective.

If Manny beat Margarito, would he be favored to beat anyone at 140? Absolutely he would. However, you can't rank him at a division until he has actually fought there. Surely you see the absurdity in this, if writers can just decide that since they think Pac would beat any fighter in the 140 lb division, he is automatically the champion of that division. Last time I checked that's not how you become a champion of a division, or even ranked number 1.
That would be like making Margarito number 1 at 140, because he would likely beat everyone at 140.
That's right... And it would be ridiculous to automatically rank a fighter a champion of a division he hasn't fought at.. that's silly.. But again as you said, the P4P ranking this is just a mythical subjective ranking, and that is how they've put Manny at the top of 140... As much of a stretch that it is considering he hasn't fought there...

But yes, I think the out and out problem here, is that Boxrec rates fighter in division they havn't even fought at.... They just need to make a blanket rule to not do that anymore... A fighter must fight at a certain weight to be ranked there... I think that's entirely fair, and would cut out all arguement and actually eliminate a lot of the subjectivity as well. I would agree with that...

But in that kind of mythical realm,,, Say there were 2 guys at 140 who had both fought the exact same people and won, were the top 2 at the division, but hadn't fought each other yet, would you be able to rank one above the other? or because they'd both fought the exact same opponents, and not met themselves yet, they could just have to be ranked even? Nuh, their overall potential would probably be assessed, and you'd put them at 1 and 2 until they meat, where really anything can happen to decide the true 1 and 2... So ummmm... I forgot what my point was and in fact I thought it was going to be a pretty dumb point as well... Perhaps just disregard all that..


Boxrec may just need to change how they do it so they just straight out don't rate fighters at weights they havn't fought at yet..... Or explain really well how they are able to do it convingly.....?
Shit, I think that's where this arguement was at on page 2...