You know. You can always tell an anti-pac being 'owned' when he brings up irelevant shyt up, like bringing up what happened 10+ years ago to a current discussion. "Singurat, Torrecampo blah blah blah this and that" Lol! You can make your case out of it, but that does'nt take away the fact that Pac is a 6 division champ and now an ATG.