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Oh come on GAME you know we have got on in the past, and you know im a MAB fan but i find that to be a silly comparison. Mike Tyson had been shot for over a decade and was coming off a loss to Danny Williams.

Where as MAB was P4P number 3 and was coming off some of his finest performances, against Erik Morales 2, Kevin Kelley, Naseem Hamed, Johnny Tapia.

Now i know all about the problems MAB had prior to the fight, but that isn't Manny Pacquiao's fault is it ? he beat the fighter in front of him who was P4P number 3 and thats all that counts.

Suprisingly in there rematch i felt MAB done better, even though he was past his prime at that point so work that one out. But the point is whether i like it or not because im a massive MAB fan, the fact is Manny Pacquiao just has MAB's number. Which is nothing to be ashamed of but its true.

Just like JMM has Manny Pacquiao's number, but his punch resistance isn't as good as someone like Erik Morales or ETC. Otherwise he would of won both fights, but still i feel the 3 knockdowns in the 1st fight. Where due to JMM being caught cold and getting suprised by Manny Pacquiao's speed.

Yeah but Barrera had his debut in 1989 so what do you expect. Just cuz Manny beat Barrera doesnt mean that would always be the case. If a prime Barrera fought the Pac who fought Torrencampo and Singursat we'd all be saying that Barrera had Pacs number

Its all about stages of career. Pac got Mab at the right time. I also felt he got Oscar at the right time.

Im not saying Singursat has Mannys number. Im saying he got Pac at the right time just as Manny got Barrera at the right time.
But thats totally different GAME, Manny Pacquiao wasn't anywhere close to what he is now and he was still very raw and young plus that was 10 years ago. And we all know that he was badly weight-drained thats why he lost his title on the scales.

Thats totally different to MAB who was in his peak, because he became a better boxer after losing to Junior Jones x2. And he was coming off the best wins of his career against Johnny Tapia, Naseem Hamed, Erik Morales 2, Kevin Kelley, ETC.

And he was P4P number 3, yes he was having problems prior to the fight, but you still can't say MAB wasn't in his peak because he was.

And you say he made his pro debut in 1989, but what does that prove ? he was 15 when he made his pro debut. And and about 28 of his fights were against mediocre opponents, because he was a boy fighting men. He was only 29 in the Manny Pacquiao fight, and he was in his peak coming off his best performances of his career.

Im a big MAB fan but sometimes you just have to be honest, Manny Pacquiao had MAB's number end of. I agree that the 2nd fight doesn't mean that much, but the 1st fight clearly does. That was a great win for Manny Pacquiao, and i was sad when i see it.

But facts are facts GAME Manny Pacquiao has got MAB's number, but thats nothing to be ashamed of. Because all great fighters meet a certain style they can't handle, and Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter himself.

Thats your opinion and you can belive what you like but you are very quick to make excuses for Pacs losses. Dont you think it had anything to do with him losing to the better man that night?

I happen to believe boxing is all about stages of career and a fighter may lose to a lesser fighter just because he isnt at his best anymore. There are several examples of this

I do not think that Singursat is better than Pac but he got him at the right time

I do not think Berbick is better than Ali but he got him at the right time

I do not think Rahman is better than Lewis but he got him at the right time

I do not think Willy Wise is better than Chavez but he got him at the right time

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I do not think Manny is better than Barrera or Oscar. He just got them at the right time.

Thats boxing.