Is Manny Pacquiao Bad For Boxing?

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Yeah but Barrera had his debut in 1989 so what do you expect. Just cuz Manny beat Barrera doesnt mean that would always be the case. If a prime Barrera fought the Pac who fought Torrencampo and Singursat we'd all be saying that Barrera had Pacs number

Its all about stages of career. Pac got Mab at the right time. I also felt he got Oscar at the right time.

Im not saying Singursat has Mannys number. Im saying he got Pac at the right time just as Manny got Barrera at the right time.

But thats totally different GAME, Manny Pacquiao wasn't anywhere close to what he is now and he was still very raw and young plus that was 10 years ago. And we all know that he was badly weight-drained thats why he lost his title on the scales.

Thats totally different to MAB who was in his peak, because he became a better boxer after losing to Junior Jones x2. And he was coming off the best wins of his career against Johnny Tapia, Naseem Hamed, Erik Morales 2, Kevin Kelley, ETC.

And he was P4P number 3, yes he was having problems prior to the fight, but you still can't say MAB wasn't in his peak because he was.

And you say he made his pro debut in 1989, but what does that prove ? he was 15 when he made his pro debut. And and about 28 of his fights were against mediocre opponents, because he was a boy fighting men. He was only 29 in the Manny Pacquiao fight, and he was in his peak coming off his best performances of his career.

Im a big MAB fan but sometimes you just have to be honest, Manny Pacquiao had MAB's number end of. I agree that the 2nd fight doesn't mean that much, but the 1st fight clearly does. That was a great win for Manny Pacquiao, and i was sad when i see it.

But facts are facts GAME Manny Pacquiao has got MAB's number, but thats nothing to be ashamed of. Because all great fighters meet a certain style they can't handle, and Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter himself.

Thats your opinion and you can belive what you like but you are very quick to make excuses for Pacs losses. Dont you think it had anything to do with him losing to the better man that night?

I happen to believe boxing is all about stages of career and a fighter may lose to a lesser fighter just because he isnt at his best anymore. There are several examples of this

I do not think that Singursat is better than Pac but he got him at the right time

I do not think Berbick is better than Ali but he got him at the right time

I do not think Rahman is better than Lewis but he got him at the right time

I do not think Willy Wise is better than Chavez but he got him at the right time

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I do not think Manny is better than Barrera or Oscar. He just got them at the right time.

Thats boxing.

Those examples you have given are totally different to MAB vs Manny Pacquiao, Muhammad Ali had been shot for years. And was suffering from damage to the brain, and had just took a horrible beating off Larry Holmes.

I don't really think Hasim Rahman got Lennox Lewis at the right time, it was more due to Lennox Lewis taking Hasim Rahman lightly. And Lennox Lewis got caught by a lucky punch and if they fought 100 times, they would never happen again. And again i fail to see the comparison here.

That was JCC's 108th fight of course he will lose to bums like that, being 37 and having so many wars. But he did beat him in the rematch, and again this has nothing to do with our discussion.

And i've already explained Manny Pacquiao was still raw, and he was weight drained which is why he lost his title on the scales. That was 10 years ago, totally irrelvant now.

As i've said to you in this thread GAME, MAB was P4P number 3 and was coming off the best performances of his career. And he was at his peak, those examples you gave me there, were fighters that were clearly shot.

Another example was a fighter being seriously weight drained, and still young and raw and was nowhere near at his peak. And the last example was of a fighter taking another fighter too lightly.

I doubt MAB would of taken Manny Pacquiao too lightly, infact has MAB ever taken any opponent lightly ? and again i fail to see how any of those comparison's you put up there are comparable to MAB vs Manny Pacquiao.

Yes MAB did have some troubles outside the ring, but because the fight was so one sided. I really doubt it would of mattered that much anyway. Manny Pacquiao's just too fast for MAB, just like Junior Jones was.

Manny Pacquiao has MAB's number and that is a fact, im a massive MAB fan so don't think im a Manny Pacquiao fan because im not, i do respect the guy but im not a fan. But you just have to admit it but its nothing to be ashamed of, because Manny Pacquiao is an excellent fighter.