Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post

I think it's pretty black and white as far as maker/makee goes.. Bill's maker OBVIOUSLY wanted him sexually. She turned him, and then was, as far as vampires go, in control of him. So she probably showed him how he should be acting as she was responsible for him. If you remember when they were fighting, bill said that she made him kill so many people because he felt he should be doing it for her, but that he tried and tried but couldn't love her. So, yes, a need to feel he had to please her, because he is more or less her apprentice, for lack of a better term, but not necessarily a need to love her.

Same with Jessica, where she was turned forcefully and really hated what she became after she was turned and hated bill for it.

If you remember this past episode when Bill came in the room when jessica and hoyt were going at it, hoyt said "those were screams of pleasure", meaning he thought bill came in to protect her.. and THAT is the bond between the maker and the new vamp.. it's obviously up to them to protect the newly turned and they are responsible for the actions. The bond doesn't necessarily have to be a physical attraction, especially if they newly turned vampire was turned without wanting to be one.

as i said, eric on the other hand, felt he was given a gift by Godric, as he basically saved his life and was grateful for it.

i think it's pretty black and white, but that's just me.

i do like your theory about godric and that would be interesting if he actually was bad, but i just caught the first half of the episode on HBO again and i didn't get that underlying evil feeling, but we shall see.
Remember that Bill's begging to be released and his telling his maker he didn't love her came 70 YEARS after she turned him.

The fact he stayed with her all that time and didn't just leave her on day one shows a fixed, inevitable bond between them.

And personally Eric seems VERY interested in Godric to me. They've been together over 1000 years, they routinely kill people for sport and indulge all their lusts, you can't tell me that Godric didn't pound the shit out of Eric at one point, especially as Godric is over 2000 years old and grew up in an era where buggering your enemy was a universally practiced show of dominance.

It may suprise you but until the coming of Christianity males regularly engaged in anal sex and all of the Greeks took young boy lovers.

So Godric would definitely have come from that background imo.

I think Eric was a viking, who were already feeling the effects of Christianity so homosexuality wasn't a common practiced, but butt fucking your enemies was common throughout the ancient world.

So they bummed for sure.


Back to Godric, I just think there is more to the story. How did he get kidnapped by the Fellowship?

Why did that guy just before he snapped his neck say to him 'Godric, its me!' as if they were allied to each other in some way? Godric obviously chose not to recognise any such loyalty.

There's something going on, why did he say to Eric 'I require very little blood any more'? Has he progressed almost to immortality?

Mark my word's he's going to turn out to be one twisted fuck, and surely a connection between him and Maryanne will be revealed.

After all they are both thousands of years old. Maryanne was a Greek Goddess, what was Godric?

We shall soon see......[/quote]

As vampires age, they require less feeding.. that is common in vampire novels that i've read.. just FYI.

I'm familiar with the whole ancient greek and roman ways..

and yes that was 70+ years when bill said what he said, but remember, that lorena was probably all bill knew as far as vampires went. she turned in and kept him for her own, and she was all he had. and he tried to make it work, and wanted to make her happy, as his maker, but he couldn't fall in love with her..

regardless of all of that, i don't see any inconsistency within the story so i don't know why i'm still talking about it.

i think you need to get your mind out of the gutter w/ all these sexual ideas hahaha.. i mean, just because eric respects godric doesn't mean they got it on w/ each other.. not saying it wasn't possible, but i didn't get that vibe at least.. and yes godric was alive back during the time you're speaking of, but Eric wasn't, and times change.. I look up to some of my male friends even though i don't have sexual relations with them