What the fuck is it with the Ring and Nonito Donaire?

[killersheep]

No we can't sit a go with well Pacquiao was a better fighter and IF DLH beat Manny

Fact is it was the same situation and it did not work out the way DLH intended...

Well size part...Manny had 1 fight at LW are we going to seriously act as if he was then a full blown LW? So tbh he went from SFW to WW...3 weight classes...

What abt the size difference...DLH had a hell of a lot of size over Manny when compared to that of Donaire to Vargas...Donaire had a 5 inch reach adv he weighed 115 Vargas 114.......

So it would have been OK if Manny had lost because of DLH being so much bigger but it is a travesty because Donaire won when he had only a 5 inch reach adv...Hell how many heavies have that luxury over other heavies?

Pacquiao was a P4P ranked fighter but Vargas is a Former WBO champion and a top 10 MIN weight in the world...If he was P4P and fought Donaire it would have been different?

How?...You can not blast one guy for something he did but make excuses for another...

If a guy commits a crime and gets caught he is a criminal...If another guy commits the same crime and gets away with it...He is a criminal just one who got away with it...

DLH and Donaire are guilty of the same crime....DLH just didn't get away with it...

Yet on another note it was OK for PBF to beat up on a smaller Marquez?

Again that was different why? Because Marquez was P4P?...not so....

There are weight classes for a reason...

Why can I not consider the quality of opponent when making judgement? On a p4p list? that's ridiculous to count a win over Vargas to the same degree as Pacquiao. Vargas was never a title holder (unless you count the interim title, which is WBO code for mandatory) he won a shot at Nietes to win the actual title and he lost (I thought he won that fight but that's not the official record). Mayweather's p4p rating is based on moving up the rankings, but his spot improve after Marquez? No, but it didn't go down either because he beat the #2 p4p fighter in the world.

Yeah OK...That makes Zero sense...Fact is HE FOUGHT A SMALLER MAN BECAUSE IT WAS AN ADVANTAGE TO HIM...PERIOD!!!!!!

That is the topic...Again same thing as DLH and PBF...Now I can use your logic and say well it isn't Donaires fault there are no P4P ranked fighters in that weight class.....So if Vargas was P4P ranked it would have been OK?...As of the moment that is the whole basis of your argument... If that is so then this should not have even been a debate....

Then it would be OK if Marquez sat around and gained 50lbs and fought Chad Dawson because JMM is ranked Higher then him on the P4P rankings...size matters non only the P4P rankings.....

Pac, Mosley, Donaire, PBF, Hopkins, Cotto, Dawson, Williams, Caballero, can only fight either A each other or B fighters who have held world titles in the past. Because the only thing that matters is P4P not size and not what title a fighter held in the past, or if a fighter is on the rise and one of these guys are champ in their division they can not fight the up and comer because he has no world champions on his resume...

This has become sad and this has become the logic of a hater...I never thought I would see bullshit like this from you KS

I'm surprised that this went from a debate to you getting all wound up. IF in fact Vargas was rated as a p4p fighter by THE RING, then yes it would have been a factor in THE RING's p4p ratings. You can call me a hater that's fine, but I have acknowledged Donaire has a great skill set, but his resume is lacking this is somewhere that we agreed so fundamentally we have no argument in the main point of this thread, what you have an issue with is that I hold it against Donaire for fighting a strawweight who was NEVER EVEN A TITLE HOLDER AT STRAWWEIGHT. You can call me a hater for that, but I stand by my conviction that Vargas is not a quality enough opponent to justify coming up in weight and to be used as the basis of maintaining a p4p status, let alone gain a p4p rank.