Quote Originally Posted by rjj tszyu apprentice View Post
#1 If title defenses mean anything (and obviously they do) then JOE LOUIS is KING! And because of that I have Joe Louis as my #1 All-Time Greatest Heavyweight with Marciano and Ali following respectively.

#2 Marciano = UNDEFEATED.....FACT

#3 Marciano wasn't far from being a light heavyweight himself, the most he ever weighed for a fight was 192 vs Keene Simmons in 1951 but he mainly stayed at or around 186-188....FACT

#4 It wouldn't matter if Tyson had a fucking time machine he would NEVER have beaten Lennox Lewis ditto re: Evander Holyfield

#5 So Mike Tyson wanted to fight Ray Mercer in 2002....Wlad fought Ray in 2002, demolished him and he gets no credit for it so why would Tyson have gotten credit for it? I'm talking Mercer in the mid-late 1990's specifically right around when he beat Morrison and when he barely lost to Lewis.

#6...so you're a rabid Tyson fan, I have nothing against the guy I just like to reasonably and rationally look at the guy's career that's the difference between us
Right on the money, no one disputes that Tyson was an exciting and gifted fighter, that is true. But those who would put him into to some "untouchable class" aren't being realistic. Styles make fights and his handlers knew who to feed him to make him look that much better. I always believed that a mid 90's version of Mercer or Foreman would have given Mike HUGE problems. Also one other thing I'd like to point out; Mike was not a multidimensional fighter, if "plan A" wasn't working he never had a "plan B", and this became evident as he became older and his "plan A" skills were not as dominant...[/QUOTE]

Ha ha, Louis! The term "bum of the monthwas invented for him!!

When Mike was with Rooney, he would never have got put on his ass by Tony Glento and neither would he have got knocked the fuuck out by Schmeling

Marcianos heavy weight defenced were against light heavyweights

If Mike fought Mercer in 02 he would have been facing someone his own age and stage of career and certainly wouldnt have had a size advantage and largely Wlad will never get any credit because he gets knocked out by Sanders everyday of the week and needs steroids same as Evan Fields

Lewis took 4 million to run away from Mike rather than force him to fight and earn over 20