Which draw was the biggest robbery?

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Bilbo, no draining accusations from me and I never said Pacquiao asked directly.
There is no direct quote from Manny, so obviously he did not say it.
It is an idea being thrown around his team I imagine.
And I said, a page or two ago, that I was going with how many times Manny AND his goons have asked for catch weights. Goons being his management.
Thought I'd clear somethings up.

Ah I didn't see this response before I posted mine. Ok I accept that you didn't claim that then.

Manny has only ever asked for two catchweight fights though. Talk of others is merely media speculation.

I really don't think Roach is trying to dehydrate Manny's opponents as much a a raisin.
But, there has to be reasons he is fighting DLH 147, Cotto 145, Clottey 147, Mosley 148***

Well let's go through them one by one.

Oscar. At the time of the negotiations Manny was a superfeatherweight, Oscar a junior middleweight. That's a difference of 4 weight divisions! For Manny to climb three and Oscar to drop one seemed to most to be unfairly stacked against Manny. It was Oscar who held the bartering power in that fight and all the prefight criticism was directed against him for picking on such a small guy just to make money. You can't slate Manny for this fight at all.

Cotto, Probably the biggest criticism that could be laid at Pac is this fight. He had fought Oscar at 147 so why not Cotto? Well I would agree that maybe Manny was uncertain he could face a young, tough worldclass natural welterweight and that he wasn't sure if he himself was a natural welterweight. In the event he dominated Miguel and subsequently fought his next fight against Clottey, who is an ever bigger welter than Cotto, at the full welterweight limit. Cotto also only weighed in a single pound less than he did for his own fight with Clottey, he was hardly drained. Personally I am prepared to give a superfeatherweight brave enough to rise through 10 weight divisions and fight the best a pass on asking an opponent to give up a pound.

Clottey. Fought at the full 148 limit

Margaritio, you don't mention him above but the catchweight was to Margarito's advantage not Manny's. Margarito was a career welterweight and was allowed to weigh in over 3lbs heavier than his previous significant fights so that they could fight for a 145 title. On the night Margarito was 17lbs heavier than Manny. If Manny would have fought him at the welterweight limit he would have had a bigger advantage. This catchweight helped Margo not Manny.

Mosley. No catchweight has yet been agreed but again I don't see how it helps Manny. Mosley has been fighting at 147 so why would allowing him to fight higher than that cause him to be weight drained?

People can argue against the purity of the weight classes being tarnished, that's a seperate issue. But the idea that Manny is forcing fighters to lose on the scales just doesn't hold up.

The only fighter dead at the weight was Oscar, and that fight was the result of HIS negotiations.

Well not only that but really Oscar's nutritionist fukd up with the deer/kangaroo meat diet which resulted in him losing muscle mass and not just overall weight. They were more concerned with paying 147lb overages at $1 Million per even a fraction of a pound. Oscar could have easily stepped into the ring with a 10lb weight advantage. Had he not been able to make weight normally it would have been easy to call the fight due to a back injury or similar. Rather than kill his body with the goofy diet.

Also, and thing that people forget is that Oscar actually got into the ring weighing less than he did at the weigh in. He clearly had something going on. I can't remember exactly but I seem to remember him on the night weighing only 142.

Yeah, Oscar really clowned himself for this fight.

But he was moving down to Forbes, to try to get a potential rematch with Floyd at 147 pounds. Not Manny, if i remember.

Am I missing the negotiations that started with Pac/DLH immediately after Marquez II?
Because if I remember correctly Manny needed to move up by then and chose to get a paper title with Diaz, instead of facing Casamayor. Marquez chasing Pacquiao up in weight, fought Casamayor to prove a point.