Hopkins p4p ranking?

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Haha so now we're changing official results to back up our arguments eh. Boxrec tells me Cintron D12, sorry about that.

As for the first Williams fight being a robbery, again your just having to exaggerate to make a case. I can do that too, Hopkins Calzaghe loss = robbery, Pascal draw = robbery.

As for your other points. Pavlik 10lbs above prime weight? Really? Tell me what weighed in his last fight then? I think it was 170. Although I guess that only became his prime weight after Martine beat him and somehow after that he became a 10 lb heavier man. Thyroid problem perhaps...

As for dragging people up beyond their weight, how what was dziniruks rating as a middleweight? Oh I forget, he hadnt ever fought there, being a career light middle. This was different to when Hopkins drags guys up though because you have to right I guess.

So to summise. Martinez drew with a Margarito ko victim. He beat Pavlik coming off a lopsided loss to Hopkins. He knocked out Paul Williams (a Quintana victim) but also was beat in their first fight, and he defended his title against a completely unknown 154lb champ who for some reason is regarded as some kind of yardstick for p4p greatness.

Martinez has a grwat win over Williams to go with a defeat, and a decent win over an alcholic Pavlik who had been mentally destroyed by Hopkins.

Beating Tarver, Pavlik and Pascal is simply better than Williams, Pavlik and Dzinziruk imo.

I hope Martinex mans up and fights Hopkins at 170. That would be a great catchweight limit, an d then pops can show you how an all time legend performs against Martinez? hands down, I dont need to defend style...

You've just proved my point. To make a case for Hopkins you need to delve back into his history. You need Tarver, Calzaghe, Winky. Because his last 5 fights, which spans a 2 1/2 year period, is clearly not half as impressive as Martinez.

The majority had Martinez winning the first Williams fight, however, there is no shame in losing a razor close PTS decision to a P4P rated fighter. Especially when you emphatically DESTROY the same opponent in the rematch.

As for Cintron - there's not a person on earth that doesn't think Martinez was ROBBED not once but TWICE!!! He wins by KO when the ref counts Cintron out, then wins a clear UD, even with a ridiculous point deduction in the 12th round, yet ends up with a draw. Unbelievable.

Pavlik? You are not seriously suggesting Pavlik's best weight has not been 160, right? The weight where he became lineal champ. The weight that he'd never LOST in until meeting Martinez. The weight he IMMEDIATELY moved backdown to after the Hopkins fight. A fight in which Hopkins weighed 185lbs on the night to Pavliks 176 wearing a tracksuit and trainers. Clearly Pavlik wasn't ready for that weight jump.

With hindsight, Hopkins win over Pavlik isn't as impressive as Martinez because his "old" age was clearly not as big a factor as originally thought.

Dzinziruk? He put on 4lb to challenge the lineal middleweight champion. Both weighing 158. No it's not a "great" win. However, knocking out an unbeaten, never been floored, long standing "world" champion is far more impressive than scoring a PTS win over an ancient shot-to-shit fighter coming off a FIRST round KO loss and a borderline journeyman that has failed everytime he's stepped up.

So to summise - Martinez currently owns Hopkins. Fact.