Who is the tougher opponent, Ortiz or Marquez?

[Rantcatrat]

At this point in there careers i would say Ortiz, he has come off the biggest win of his life he's young and hungry plus his condidence is sky high.

Marquez has given Manny Pac fits before but that was awhile back and Marquez is'nt as affective at the higher weights.

He still has the style to trouble the pac man but he isnt as fast as what he was afew years ago and the extra weight will slow him down abit. Where Manny has kept his speed and increased his power moving up the weights.

Marquez spent 100 years at featherweight. He lost to Floyd at welterweight then jumped straight back down to lightweight. I think it's pretty clear Marquez was never a welter.

Ortiz is naturally much bigger and younger than him. Even if less skilled he is clearly more dangerous.

Based on history, style, and outright talent it's Marquez. JMM has been a thorn in Pac's side for a while. BUT that being said, Ortiz is fresher, he's a go for broke style fighter, he's apparently found his heart, and he's on the upswing.


I fully expect the favorites to prevail in these fights, but to me Ortiz could pull of the upset, I doubt JMM can at this point in time. But Vic does eat a TON of right crosses, so I wouldn't be surprised if he got KO'd

I misunderstood the question.

Marquez has already beat Pac twice IMO. However, I believe this Pac, at this weight, is going to stop him.

Ortiz-Floyd is a complete unknown. If Floyd wins easy everyone will say it was expected. If FLoyd loses most "experts" will say he's clearly past his best.

So, on paper, Marquez is a far tougher opponent. If Marquez-Pac is close it will be nothing we haven't seen already.

Marquez and it's not debatable.

Ortiz and it is not debatable.

P4P Marquez is a better fighter than Ortiz but how good is he at welterweight.

His only fight at welterweight against Floyd Mayweather, he looked terrible. Being that it was Floyd though, you could point to it being more of a bad matchup for him than the weight or a combination of both.

One thing was clear in that fight was Marquez didn't have power. Mayweather laughed at his punches and i think in his previous fights with Pacquiao that the reason he had so much success was because he was able to get Pacquiao to respect his punching power combined with the fact he had excellent timing, good footwork and he could land in combinations.

What we do know about Ortiz is that his speed, size, ability and most importantly his power have carried up to welterweight and as proof, he is coming off his best win against a top welterweight in Berto who he beat decisively.

Based on their credentials at welterweight, Ortiz is the tougher opponent but if Marquez is able to perform against Pacquiao like he did in their previous fights, he's the tougher opponent.

Ortiz, the young southpaw, coming off a career-defining win over highly-touted Andre Berto or Marquez, the future HOF, one of the top Mexican fighters of all time, and who has given Pacquiao fits in the two times they faced eachother?

I expect "Surfer Vic" Ortiz to give Duckweather fits, but I don't expect Manny to have any problems with JMM, this isn't the same 2 pugs who fought before, Manny is much better now.

Personally I think Ortiz because I think he is gonna take Mayweather out. I see history repeating itself again as in 1991 and 2003/4. In 1991 Sugar Ray Leonard came out of almost 2 years of inactivity and got scrambled by Terry Norris. In 2003/2004 Roy Jones Jr who was thought unbeatable was lucky to escape with a win then taken out in 2 rounds by Antonio Tarver.

Both Leonard and Jones relied on incredible speed and when they slowed half a step in seemed they were highly beatable. Mayweather I believe will meet the same fate on September 17th.

As i have said many times before, just my opinion--I may be wrong (and have been many times here in the last 8 years).

I'm almost positive that Mayweather will walk right through Oritz. However, I am completely positive that Pacquiao is going to blow Marquez right out of the water.

JMM was the better fighter over the course of his career, obviously, but he's badly faded now. He won't see the 6th round this time.

I voted Ortiz. Pac has already faced Marquez and knows what is getting himself into.

I'm a vindictive bastard. I apologize