Nonito Donaire VS Wilfredo Vazquez Jr. is set for February

[FinitoElDinamita]

Donaire should really just be looking at big fights at this stage, Nishioka or Ramos would have been my picks

I agree. Nothing but big fights from this point on.. Nonito's plan has been mapped out by TR bruh... Vazquez in Feb, then Nishioka in June.. Sounds like the right path..

But Rico Ramos?? i dont think that could be considered as a big fight for anybody.. He's going to be an after thought after Rigondeaux takes his belt.

Vazquez is the best guy Donaire has fought apart from Montiel and Darchinyan

That is up for debate. Despite his no show, I would argue p4p Narvaez is the best guy Nonito has fought other than Montiel and Darchinyan. Narvaez was hopelessly outmatched in their fight, but Narvaez has performed well in all his other big fights. I imagine he'll continue as champion for a good while at junior bantam.

I agree that Vazquez is the best Nonito's has fought since Vic/Montiel.. I dont see how that's debatable bruh..

Just the fact that Narvaez was fighting above his natural weight division excludes him from that " dangerous " opponent status to Nonito..

Narvaez was a gimmie fight.... Vazquez fight is more than that..

Narvaez was a gimme fight. I said p4p. I bet that Narvaez will go down in history with a better resume/career than Vasquez. That's what I'm saying, but it was definitely a gimme fight. Vasquez is a gimme fight too. I don't think you disagree that the only fights at 122 that would be challenges are Nishioka and Rigandeaux. Arce would be fun, but there would be no doubt at all in the outcome.

Well of course Narvaez is greater than Vazquez, P4P, nobody could dispute that, but that's beside the point. Narvaez is a smaller fighter and he had no business fighting Nonito in the first place.

Vazquez has the youth and the size to match Nonito so he's just a bigger threat, that's all we are saying here bruh..

Vazquez could be viewed as an easy fight but i wouldnt go far as to say that he's a gimmie opponent.
How can we dismiss him like that when Nonito has never fought above 118?

When people say Nonito is great enough to conquer 122-130, that's just speculation..

Vazquez is no gimmie oppponent.

[TitoFan]

we talked about this fight the other day, and like i told you then, IMO he's being rushed, they need to take a step back with Vazquez Jr and work on his defense and fine tune is technical abilities, like you said he's an overachiever and well JCC Jr could learn a thing or two from the guy

Like what? How to lose

Losses can happen when you're fighting people with healthy heartbeats.

Chavez jr can't hold Vazquez' spit bucket.

Come on now. Vazquez was expected to shread Arce. "Shred" Arce?? A young, relatively inexperienced fighter against a savvy old pro? "Shred"? Aren't you exaggerating just a LITTLE bit? Arce was coming off that gift draw to Lorenzo Parra. In which he looked like a shell of his former self. But he still had name value. Which is why they took the fight. Cuz they wanted to add a famous name to his resume. Not cuz they thought it was gonna be a competitive fight Again I beg to differ. Miscalculated? Yeah, probably. That they didn't think it would be competitive? C'mon VD... you KNOW better than that. An old pro like Arce... not competitive? Your bias is showing through the cracks. But they miscalculated. Arce wasn't quite done. Instead he tapped that azz. See... now "tapped that azz" doesn't sound competitive. When in actuality, the old pro and the young gun gave us one of the best fights of the year. Give the kid some credit. Now muthafukkas want to make it seem like Vazquez lost cuz he was willing to take on the best competition. When in reality he lost cuz they took on a fighter that they thought was shot but wasn't.

Whereas baby Chavez has never faced anyone that EVER amounted to anything. Seriously.... you defending this coddled-ass punk? Figures.

You disputing what I said?

See above. Some of what you said was reasonable..... some of it wasn't.
IMO.

[Violent Demise]

we talked about this fight the other day, and like i told you then, IMO he's being rushed, they need to take a step back with Vazquez Jr and work on his defense and fine tune is technical abilities, like you said he's an overachiever and well JCC Jr could learn a thing or two from the guy

Like what? How to lose

Losses can happen when you're fighting people with healthy heartbeats.

Chavez jr can't hold Vazquez' spit bucket.

Come on now. Vazquez was expected to shread Arce. "Shred" Arce?? A young, relatively inexperienced fighter against a savvy old pro? "Shred"? Aren't you exaggerating just a LITTLE bit? Arce was coming off that gift draw to Lorenzo Parra. In which he looked like a shell of his former self. But he still had name value. Which is why they took the fight. Cuz they wanted to add a famous name to his resume. Not cuz they thought it was gonna be a competitive fight Again I beg to differ. Miscalculated? Yeah, probably. That they didn't think it would be competitive? C'mon VD... you KNOW better than that. An old pro like Arce... not competitive? Your bias is showing through the cracks. But they miscalculated. Arce wasn't quite done. Instead he tapped that azz. See... now "tapped that azz" doesn't sound competitive. When in actuality, the old pro and the young gun gave us one of the best fights of the year. Give the kid some credit. Now muthafukkas want to make it seem like Vazquez lost cuz he was willing to take on the best competition. When in reality he lost cuz they took on a fighter that they thought was shot but wasn't.

Whereas baby Chavez has never faced anyone that EVER amounted to anything. Seriously.... you defending this coddled-ass punk? Figures.

You disputing what I said?

See above. Some of what you said was reasonable..... some of it wasn't.
IMO.

Everthing I said was on point.

Arce looked terrible against Parra. The draw was a gift. It should of been a L. It's easy to say now that everybody knew Arce-Vazquez would be competitive. But that's straight bullshit. Very few gave him a chance going in. Vazquez was a bigger favorite over Arce than Manny Pacquiao was over Shane Mosley that night. I will gladly show you the betting odds if you want. Of course Arce was gonna give his all. But he gave his all against Vic Darchiyan. And that wasn't competitive. Everybody was expecting the same thing. You say give Vazquez credit. Ok. Tell me. How much credit you think a young fighter should get for getting his ass kicked by a fighter he only fought cuz he thought he was shot?

[ElTerribleMorales]

we talked about this fight the other day, and like i told you then, IMO he's being rushed, they need to take a step back with Vazquez Jr and work on his defense and fine tune is technical abilities, like you said he's an overachiever and well JCC Jr could learn a thing or two from the guy

Like what? How to lose

Losses can happen when you're fighting people with healthy heartbeats.

Chavez jr can't hold Vazquez' spit bucket.

Come on now. Vazquez was expected to shread Arce. "Shred" Arce?? A young, relatively inexperienced fighter against a savvy old pro? "Shred"? Aren't you exaggerating just a LITTLE bit? Arce was coming off that gift draw to Lorenzo Parra. In which he looked like a shell of his former self. But he still had name value. Which is why they took the fight. Cuz they wanted to add a famous name to his resume. Not cuz they thought it was gonna be a competitive fight Again I beg to differ. Miscalculated? Yeah, probably. That they didn't think it would be competitive? C'mon VD... you KNOW better than that. An old pro like Arce... not competitive? Your bias is showing through the cracks. But they miscalculated. Arce wasn't quite done. Instead he tapped that azz. See... now "tapped that azz" doesn't sound competitive. When in actuality, the old pro and the young gun gave us one of the best fights of the year. Give the kid some credit. Now muthafukkas want to make it seem like Vazquez lost cuz he was willing to take on the best competition. When in reality he lost cuz they took on a fighter that they thought was shot but wasn't.

Whereas baby Chavez has never faced anyone that EVER amounted to anything. Seriously.... you defending this coddled-ass punk? Figures.

You disputing what I said?

See above. Some of what you said was reasonable..... some of it wasn't.
IMO.

Everthing I said was on point.

Arce looked terrible against Parra. The draw was a gift. It should of been a L. It's easy to say now that everybody knew Arce-Vazquez would be competitive. But that's straight bullshit. Very few gave him a chance going in. Vazquez was a bigger favorite over Arce than Manny Pacquiao was over Shane Mosley that night. I will gladly show you the betting odds if you want. Of course Arce was gonna give his all. But he gave his all against Vic Darchiyan. And that wasn't competitive. Everybody was expecting the same thing. You say give Vazquez credit. Ok. Tell me. How much credit you think a young fighter should get for getting his ass kicked by a fighter he only fought cuz he thought he was shot?

what credit does a younger fighter (Chavez JR) deserve for not even having the balls to go in there against someone with the credentials of Arce, regardless of the fact that he has double the fights, and is competing already in his 3rd weight class?

[Violent Demise]

Answering a question with a question is straight bitch move. Only done by cowards. You quoted my post so answer it.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Answering a question with a question is straight bitch move. Only done by cowards. You quoted my post so answer it.

the fact that Vazquez is willing to step in against the guy who's ACTUALLY the champion (Sonsona) is already more than what Chavez Jr has done in his 50+ fights, Vazquez didn't need Uncle Sulaiman to rip the rightful champ (Martinez) off just so that the silver spoon Chavez Jr could walk around calling himself a "champion", IMO JCC Jr should have just kept the Silver Belt it suited him a hell of a lot more... now you answer the question, or you've done doing your daily dose of talking out of your ass?

[Dench]

Vasquez is a technically good fighter with great boxing skills, and his fight with nonito would have been bigger if he won against Arce the last time. Arce rough him up and wasnt able to handle the aggression thats why he lost.

Im a bit surprised that Vasquez was chosen to fight Nonito. Arce would be logical and acceptable enough because the man in the division is Arce.

Fight-wise, Im interested to see how this fight would go.

[Violent Demise]

Answering a question with a question is straight bitch move. Only done by cowards. You quoted my post so answer it.

the fact that Vazquez is willing to step in against the guy who's ACTUALLY the champion (Sonsona) is already more than what Chavez Jr has done in his 50+ fights, Vazquez didn't need Uncle Sulaiman to rip the rightful champ (Martinez) off just so that the silver spoon Chavez Jr could walk around calling himself a "champion", IMO JCC Jr should have just kept the Silver Belt it suited him a hell of a lot more... now you answer the question, or you've done doing your daily dose of talking out of your ass?

It's fucking irritating dealing with muthafukkas who have to lie to try and make there fighter look good. You were better off saying you were ignorant to the situation instead of embarrassing yourself like this. Vazquez won the WBO Super Bantamweight title when he beat Sonsona. It was a vacant title. Juan Manuel Lopez gave it up when he moved up in weight. Sonsona never held that title. Only title he ever held was the WBO Super Flyweight title. Sonsona moved up 2 weight classes to fight Vazquez. Vazquez and his people did everything they could to avoid fighting Lopez. They waited till he moved up and than went for the title. Instead of having him face the next highest ranked opponent, The WBO which everybody knows headquarters in Puerto Rico looked out for Vazquez and let him get a away with fighting a fighter who was moving up in weight. Not one. But two weight classes. So don't give me this bullshit how Vazquez does shit the hard way. Cuz he doesn't. Facts are facts. He too has benefited from his famous daddies name and has been granted favors he wouldn't of gotten with a different last name

[Galaxy]

Is Arce the one doing the avoiding here? That fight was all the talk along with Nishioka following the Narvaez bout. More Arce is moving to 118 for a trinket.

[Violent Demise]

Is Arce the one doing the avoiding here? That fight was all the talk along with Nishioka following the Narvaez bout. More Arce is moving to 118 for a trinket.

Arce didn't want to wait to face Donaire. And he told Vazquez he would rematch him any time. Vazquez never answered him. So Arce said the hell with it and has gone back down in weight

[Galaxy]

Is Arce the one doing the avoiding here? That fight was all the talk along with Nishioka following the Narvaez bout. More Arce is moving to 118 for a trinket.

Arce didn't want to wait to face Donaire. And he told Vazquez he would rematch him any time. Vazquez never answered him. So Arce said the hell with it and has gone back down in weight

Yeah but weren't they talking Feb? Even with this fight it would still give Arce 3 months to prepare.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Answering a question with a question is straight bitch move. Only done by cowards. You quoted my post so answer it.

the fact that Vazquez is willing to step in against the guy who's ACTUALLY the champion (Sonsona) is already more than what Chavez Jr has done in his 50+ fights, Vazquez didn't need Uncle Sulaiman to rip the rightful champ (Martinez) off just so that the silver spoon Chavez Jr could walk around calling himself a "champion", IMO JCC Jr should have just kept the Silver Belt it suited him a hell of a lot more... now you answer the question, or you've done doing your daily dose of talking out of your ass?

It's fucking irritating dealing with muthafukkas who have to lie to try and make there fighter look good. You were better off saying you were ignorant to the situation instead of embarrassing yourself like this. Vazquez won the WBO Super Bantamweight title when he beat Sonsona. It was a vacant title. Juan Manuel Lopez gave it up when he moved up in weight. Sonsona never held that title. Only title he ever held was the WBO Super Flyweight title. Sonsona moved up 2 weight classes to fight Vazquez. Vazquez and his people did everything they could to avoid fighting Lopez. They waited till he moved up and than went for the title. Instead of having him face the next highest ranked opponent, The WBO which everybody knows headquarters in Puerto Rico looked out for Vazquez and let him get a away with fighting a fighter who was moving up in weight. Not one. But two weight classes. So don't give me this bullshit how Vazquez does shit the hard way. Cuz he doesn't. Facts are facts. He too has benefited from his famous daddies name and has been granted favors he wouldn't of gotten with a different last name

hahahaha Vazquez is 21-1-1, Chavez is at 44-0-1, so that's double the amount of fucking fights, 3 different weight classes, and you have the balls to say that Vazquez Jr avoided Lopez yet leave out that JCC Jr has avoided fighting the likes of anyone at 147, Alvarez, Angulo, Williams, Cintron, hell anyone with a pulse, and at 160 well it looks like he's going to do the same, I find it fuckin hilarious how Chavez Jr has beat only a who's who of fighters YOU have constantly gone out of your way to point out how horrible they were and how they were bums (Manfredo Jr, Duddy, Vanda), the only good name on his record is fucking Carlos Molina and he was ripped off in both fights

[Rantcatrat]

Chavez Jr. is being correctly paced given his lack of amateur background (he had two amateur fights!). If you were his handlers you would do the exact same thing. The only problem people have with Chavez Jr. is that he was gifted the title and that he has received more publicity than other boxers with identical professional credentials would normally receive. However, it's not his fault he sells out stadiums already. I hope he continues to take steps up in competition, but I don't think it's fair to be mad if they are only baby steps. At middleweight, I imagine a fight with Andy Lee would be a good fight and it's not like Andy Lee hasn't been on HBO a couple of times.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Chavez Jr. is being correctly paced given his lack of amateur background (he had two amateur fights!). If you were his handlers you would do the exact same thing. The only problem people have with Chavez Jr. is that he was gifted the title and that he has received more publicity than other boxers with identical professional credentials would normally receive. However, it's not his fault he sells out stadiums already. I hope he continues to take steps up in competition, but I don't think it's fair to be mad if they are only baby steps. At middleweight, I imagine a fight with Andy Lee would be a good fight and it's not like Andy Lee hasn't been on HBO a couple of times.

and? Wilfredo Vazquez Jr had 0 amateur fights and he's already fought Arce and is in line to fight Donaire, that broke down excuse will only get him so far, if he wanted Martinez' belt he should have stepped up and fought him, not throw around other fighter's names to try and make himself relevant (he's called out DLH, Cotto, Alvarez, and plenty of other fighters only never to deliver), Chavez needs to step it up, don't really see how after 45 spoon fed fights anyone can really dispute it, hell Alvarez is younger and is already taking on better opposition

[Rantcatrat]

Chavez Jr. is being correctly paced given his lack of amateur background (he had two amateur fights!). If you were his handlers you would do the exact same thing. The only problem people have with Chavez Jr. is that he was gifted the title and that he has received more publicity than other boxers with identical professional credentials would normally receive. However, it's not his fault he sells out stadiums already. I hope he continues to take steps up in competition, but I don't think it's fair to be mad if they are only baby steps. At middleweight, I imagine a fight with Andy Lee would be a good fight and it's not like Andy Lee hasn't been on HBO a couple of times.

and? Wilfredo Vazquez Jr had 0 amateur fights and he's already fought Arce and is in line to fight Donaire, that broke down excuse will only get him so far, if he wanted Martinez' belt he should have stepped up and fought him, not throw around other fighter's names to try and make himself relevant (he's called out DLH, Cotto, Alvarez, and plenty of other fighters only never to deliver), Chavez needs to step it up, don't really see how after 45 spoon fed fights anyone can really dispute it, hell Alvarez is younger and is already taking on better opposition

I'll leave the comparison of Vasquez Jr. and Chavez Jr. to you and VD. The reason I dispute his need to step it up is his lack of amateur career. I also don't think you'd pace him any differently if you were managing him given his lack of amateur career. He literally had two amateur fights. Martinez himself had a very limited amateur career for that matter. I wouldn't fault him for not fighting Martinez, but he should vacate the belt. I think a fight with Lee or someone along those lines would be ideal right now for his development.