Cotto vs Margarito - the rematch - Saturday night chat/fight thread

[CFH]

One more rematch, Cotto can't take any satisfaction in taking a win like that. Margarito won the last round, but fair play on Cotto not fading as quickly.

Miles WTF why the hell are you rooting for a cheater ? a guy who was willing to load his gloves. Permantely damage a fighter for his own gain, then has the nerve to come into the fight that smug ?

F*** Margarito he cheated in the in the 1st Cotto fight, and got his ass kicked and exposed again.

You have no hard evidence so calm down. I am a human being and people deserve forgiveness. Get over it. You should probably have a nap.

There is no smoking gun, but there is a shit-ton of circumstantial evidence. I think you can conclude that Margarito likely cheated in the first bout.

[Gandalf]

One more rematch, Cotto can't take any satisfaction in taking a win like that. Margarito won the last round, but fair play on Cotto not fading as quickly.

Miles WTF why the hell are you rooting for a cheater ? a guy who was willing to load his gloves. Permantely damage a fighter for his own gain, then has the nerve to come into the fight that smug ?

F*** Margarito he cheated in the in the 1st Cotto fight, and got his ass kicked and exposed again.

You have no hard evidence so calm down. I am a human being and people deserve forgiveness. Get over it. You should probably have a nap.

There is no smoking gun, but there is a shit-ton of circumstantial evidence. I think you can conclude that Margarito likely cheated in the first bout.

Perhaps, but we cannot say with any certainty. And even in the event that he did so, I believe in forgiveness. A man commits a crime, then we rehabilitate, we do not put away forever. If he doesn't try to cheat again, then I don't really mind him fighting. Cotto should really have checked his wraps in the first place. It would be like me coming to class without my materials. You have to do your preparation properly.

A case of what was was and that everyone should move on and learn from past mistakes.

[bcollins]

One more rematch, Cotto can't take any satisfaction in taking a win like that. Margarito won the last round, but fair play on Cotto not fading as quickly.

Miles WTF why the hell are you rooting for a cheater ? a guy who was willing to load his gloves. Permantely damage a fighter for his own gain, then has the nerve to come into the fight that smug ?

F*** Margarito he cheated in the in the 1st Cotto fight, and got his ass kicked and exposed again.

You have no hard evidence so calm down. I am a human being and people deserve forgiveness. Get over it. You should probably have a nap.

There is no smoking gun, but there is a shit-ton of circumstantial evidence. I think you can conclude that Margarito likely cheated in the first bout.

Perhaps, but we cannot say with any certainty. And even in the event that he did so, I believe in forgiveness. A man commits a crime, then we rehabilitate, we do not put away forever. If he doesn't try to cheat again, then I don't really mind him fighting. Cotto should really have checked his wraps in the first place. It would be like me coming to class without my materials. You have to do your preparation properly.

A case of what was was and that everyone should move on and learn from past mistakes.

He really shouldn't have to. It's a sport, not a fight to the death between two arbitrary people.

[ICB]

One more rematch, Cotto can't take any satisfaction in taking a win like that. Margarito won the last round, but fair play on Cotto not fading as quickly.

Miles WTF why the hell are you rooting for a cheater ? a guy who was willing to load his gloves. Permantely damage a fighter for his own gain, then has the nerve to come into the fight that smug ?

F*** Margarito he cheated in the in the 1st Cotto fight, and got his ass kicked and exposed again.

You have no hard evidence so calm down. I am a human being and people deserve forgiveness. Get over it. You should probably have a nap.

There is no smoking gun, but there is a shit-ton of circumstantial evidence. I think you can conclude that Margarito likely cheated in the first bout.

Perhaps, but we cannot say with any certainty. And even in the event that he did so, I believe in forgiveness. A man commits a crime, then we rehabilitate, we do not put away forever. If he doesn't try to cheat again, then I don't really mind him fighting. Cotto should really have checked his wraps in the first place. It would be like me coming to class without my materials. You have to do your preparation properly.

A case of what was was and that everyone should move on and learn from past mistakes.

He really shouldn't have to. It's a sport, not a fight to the death between two arbitrary people.

Exactly how can anyone root for Margarito or defend him ? im actually speechless.

[Gandalf]

One more rematch, Cotto can't take any satisfaction in taking a win like that. Margarito won the last round, but fair play on Cotto not fading as quickly.

Miles WTF why the hell are you rooting for a cheater ? a guy who was willing to load his gloves. Permantely damage a fighter for his own gain, then has the nerve to come into the fight that smug ?

F*** Margarito he cheated in the in the 1st Cotto fight, and got his ass kicked and exposed again.

You have no hard evidence so calm down. I am a human being and people deserve forgiveness. Get over it. You should probably have a nap.

There is no smoking gun, but there is a shit-ton of circumstantial evidence. I think you can conclude that Margarito likely cheated in the first bout.

Perhaps, but we cannot say with any certainty. And even in the event that he did so, I believe in forgiveness. A man commits a crime, then we rehabilitate, we do not put away forever. If he doesn't try to cheat again, then I don't really mind him fighting. Cotto should really have checked his wraps in the first place. It would be like me coming to class without my materials. You have to do your preparation properly.

A case of what was was and that everyone should move on and learn from past mistakes.

He really shouldn't have to. It's a sport, not a fight to the death between two arbitrary people.

Exactly how can anyone root for Margarito or defend him ? im actually speechless.

He's a fun fighter to watch and I like boxing. It is really is quite rudimentary, my dear Watson.

I'm not saying for an instant that Margarito is a saint or should be debating ethics with Chomsky, but what I am saying is that he is a fun fighter to watch and I believe in second chances. The authorities punished him. Margarito is perhaps a liar, perhaps honest or perhaps just in denial, but he is fun to watch. And it is that last point that makes me enjoy seeing him fight.

I really feel it is a shame the eye was already screwed as it detracts from Cotto's win and also detracts from giving us all the answers concerning that first fight. This fght makes me believe the eye was the factor and that wraps were irrelevant, but I am aware that this is just an opinion.

[bcollins]

One more rematch, Cotto can't take any satisfaction in taking a win like that. Margarito won the last round, but fair play on Cotto not fading as quickly.

Miles WTF why the hell are you rooting for a cheater ? a guy who was willing to load his gloves. Permantely damage a fighter for his own gain, then has the nerve to come into the fight that smug ?

F*** Margarito he cheated in the in the 1st Cotto fight, and got his ass kicked and exposed again.

You have no hard evidence so calm down. I am a human being and people deserve forgiveness. Get over it. You should probably have a nap.

There is no smoking gun, but there is a shit-ton of circumstantial evidence. I think you can conclude that Margarito likely cheated in the first bout.

Perhaps, but we cannot say with any certainty. And even in the event that he did so, I believe in forgiveness. A man commits a crime, then we rehabilitate, we do not put away forever. If he doesn't try to cheat again, then I don't really mind him fighting. Cotto should really have checked his wraps in the first place. It would be like me coming to class without my materials. You have to do your preparation properly.

A case of what was was and that everyone should move on and learn from past mistakes.

He really shouldn't have to. It's a sport, not a fight to the death between two arbitrary people.

Exactly how can anyone root for Margarito or defend him ? im actually speechless.

He's a fun fighter to watch and I like boxing. It is really is quite rudimentary, my dear Watson.

I'm not saying for an instant that Margarito is a saint or should be debating ethics with Chomsky, but what I am saying is that he is a fun fighter to watch and I believe in second chances. The authorities punished him. Margarito is perhaps a liar, perhaps honest or perhaps just in denial, but he is fun to watch. And it is that last point that makes me enjoy seeing him fight.

I really feel it is a shame the eye was already screwed as it detracts from Cotto's win and also detracts from giving us all the answers concerning that first fight. This fght makes me believe the eye was the factor and that wraps were irrelevant, but I am aware that this is just an opinion.

I actually feel the exact opposite. I think Cotto outboxes Margarito all day long with or without the eye injury, whereas I honestly believe that loaded wraps were the deciding factor in the first fight. Cotto was making him look silly before the eye acted up - he was turning him left and right in there.

[CFH]

One more rematch, Cotto can't take any satisfaction in taking a win like that. Margarito won the last round, but fair play on Cotto not fading as quickly.

Miles WTF why the hell are you rooting for a cheater ? a guy who was willing to load his gloves. Permantely damage a fighter for his own gain, then has the nerve to come into the fight that smug ?

F*** Margarito he cheated in the in the 1st Cotto fight, and got his ass kicked and exposed again.

You have no hard evidence so calm down. I am a human being and people deserve forgiveness. Get over it. You should probably have a nap.

There is no smoking gun, but there is a shit-ton of circumstantial evidence. I think you can conclude that Margarito likely cheated in the first bout.

Perhaps, but we cannot say with any certainty. And even in the event that he did so, I believe in forgiveness. A man commits a crime, then we rehabilitate, we do not put away forever. If he doesn't try to cheat again, then I don't really mind him fighting. Cotto should really have checked his wraps in the first place. It would be like me coming to class without my materials. You have to do your preparation properly.

A case of what was was and that everyone should move on and learn from past mistakes.

I believe in forgiveness too, but only for those who deserve it. Having courage doesn't make Margarito any less of a cheater, and he has been a belligerent and blatant liar ever since he was caught. I have no respect for him as a person or a fighter and I thoroughly enjoyed watching the beatings he took in the last two fights.

[Diane]

One more rematch, Cotto can't take any satisfaction in taking a win like that. Margarito won the last round, but fair play on Cotto not fading as quickly.

Miles WTF why the hell are you rooting for a cheater ? a guy who was willing to load his gloves. Permantely damage a fighter for his own gain, then has the nerve to come into the fight that smug ?

F*** Margarito he cheated in the in the 1st Cotto fight, and got his ass kicked and exposed again.

You have no hard evidence so calm down. I am a human being and people deserve forgiveness. Get over it. You should probably have a nap.

There is no smoking gun, but there is a shit-ton of circumstantial evidence. I think you can conclude that Margarito likely cheated in the first bout.

Perhaps, but we cannot say with any certainty. And even in the event that he did so, I believe in forgiveness. A man commits a crime, then we rehabilitate, we do not put away forever. If he doesn't try to cheat again, then I don't really mind him fighting. Cotto should really have checked his wraps in the first place. It would be like me coming to class without my materials. You have to do your preparation properly.

A case of what was was and that everyone should move on and learn from past mistakes.

I believe in forgiveness too, but only for those who deserve it. Having courage doesn't make Margarito any less of a cheater, and he has been a belligerent and blatant liar ever since he was caught. I have no respect for him as a person or a fighter and I thoroughly enjoyed watching the beatings he took in the last two fights.

Amen!!!!!

[Diane]

One more rematch, Cotto can't take any satisfaction in taking a win like that. Margarito won the last round, but fair play on Cotto not fading as quickly.

Miles WTF why the hell are you rooting for a cheater ? a guy who was willing to load his gloves. Permantely damage a fighter for his own gain, then has the nerve to come into the fight that smug ?

F*** Margarito he cheated in the in the 1st Cotto fight, and got his ass kicked and exposed again.

You have no hard evidence so calm down. I am a human being and people deserve forgiveness. Get over it. You should probably have a nap.

There is no smoking gun, but there is a shit-ton of circumstantial evidence. I think you can conclude that Margarito likely cheated in the first bout.

Perhaps, but we cannot say with any certainty. And even in the event that he did so, I believe in forgiveness. A man commits a crime, then we rehabilitate, we do not put away forever. If he doesn't try to cheat again, then I don't really mind him fighting. Cotto should really have checked his wraps in the first place. It would be like me coming to class without my materials. You have to do your preparation properly.

A case of what was was and that everyone should move on and learn from past mistakes.

Sorry, but a man who risks taking the life of another man by cheating, does not deserve forgiveness. Especially if that man has absolutely no remorse for what happened.

[Nameless]

Resto and Panama had a life sentence, I don't see why Margarito would deserve less just because he got caught before hand and not after the damage was done. It's all about the intentions.

[Gandalf]

Resto and Panama had a life sentence, I don't see why Margarito would deserve less just because he got caught before hand and not after the damage was done. It's all about the intentions.

Perhaps, but nonetheless Margarito served the punishment given to him. He cannot be blamed for it being lighter than you think it should have been. He wants to fight and it pays the bills, he is only doing what he can with the possibilities out there for him.

And Cotto should have checked the wraps! That seems to go over heads all too easily. Even if guilty, Cotto allowed Margarito the opportunity by being careless in his preparation. That was extremely foolish too.

[CFH]

Resto and Panama had a life sentence, I don't see why Margarito would deserve less just because he got caught before hand and not after the damage was done. It's all about the intentions.

Perhaps, but nonetheless Margarito served the punishment given to him. He cannot be blamed for it being lighter than you think it should have been. He wants to fight and it pays the bills, he is only doing what he can with the possibilities out there for him.

And Cotto should have checked the wraps! That seems to go over heads all too easily. Even if guilty, Cotto allowed Margarito the opportunity by being careless in his preparation. That was extremely foolish too.

I don't agree with blaming the victim here.

What Margarito did was criminal and extremely rare. Cotto, nor anyone else, had any reason to expect anything like that from Margarito. I'm sure he and his team saw checking the wraps as just a formality, much like everyone else.

[generalbulldog]

Panama and Resto didn't get a life sentence. I'm pretty sure they're out of jail after doing a few years.

Anyways some Floyd fan here just created some new thread saying Cotto is undefeated because he only lost to cheaters such as Margarito with loaded wraps and Pacman who was on super drugs.

[captainanddew]

Resto and Panama had a life sentence, I don't see why Margarito would deserve less just because he got caught before hand and not after the damage was done. It's all about the intentions.

Perhaps, but nonetheless Margarito served the punishment given to him. He cannot be blamed for it being lighter than you think it should have been. He wants to fight and it pays the bills, he is only doing what he can with the possibilities out there for him.

And Cotto should have checked the wraps! That seems to go over heads all too easily. Even if guilty, Cotto allowed Margarito the opportunity by being careless in his preparation. That was extremely foolish too.

You can blame Cotto's uncle, his former trainer. The story we have heard is Margarito didn't send anyone over to be there to check Cotto's wraps and Evangelista Cotto said fine we won't send anyone over to check Margarito's wraps.

Even if someone was there (and assuming they were loaded which I believe but could be wrong), no guarantee they catch it.

Brother Nazeem caught tito with some interesting wraps in 2001, and then Margarito in 2009. I can't think of another trainer catching anyone over that time period (that was publicized). The commission didn't catch it!!!!

[Majesty]

Cotto did in this fight what he should have done in the first fight and keep boxing. It was trying to trade with Margarito that was his downfall the first time, he stayed smart this time.