Joe Calzaghe: Andre Ward is good but beatable

[Dia bando]

Calzaghe to fast for Ward ,have you seen anybody out box Joe no,
I no one thing Ward, could not out box him, as for Froch, he is game
but is one-dimensional to me a bit of a plodder.

[Dark Lord Al]

Calzaghe to fast for Ward ,have you seen anybody out box Joe no,
I no one thing Ward, could not out box him, as for Froch, he is game
but is one-dimensional to me a bit of a plodder.

Who has come close to outboxing Ward ?

[Pugilistic]

I think the only fighters who could potentially beat Ward right now are Bute or Andre Dirrell (if he's the same after returning from layoff) but even still you would have to favor Ward in both those matchups based on his versatility.

Calzaghe would of beaten Ward in my opinion prime for prime. Ward tired late in the fight against Froch who wasn't really throwing or landing many punches. Calzaghe with his workrate would certainly test Wards conditioning.

I think Ward would be tricky for Joe in the first few rounds but then Calzaghe starts to get his rhythm going then ups the workrate eventually outworking Ward down the stretch.

I don't get the comparsions with Ward and Jones or Floyd,etc.

Andre Ward right now reminds me of an older Hopkins with a slightly higher workrate.

Ward like an older Hopkins picks his punches well and utilizes all his tools whether it be on the inside or outside.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I think the only fighters who could potentially beat Ward right now are Bute or Andre Dirrell (if he's the same after returning from layoff) but even still you would have to favor Ward in both those matchups based on his versatility.

Calzaghe would of beaten Ward in my opinion prime for prime. Ward tired late in the fight against Froch who wasn't really throwing or landing many punches. Calzaghe with his workrate would certainly test Wards conditioning.

I think Ward would be tricky for Joe in the first few rounds but then Calzaghe starts to get his rhythm going then ups the workrate eventually outworking Ward down the stretch.

I don't get the comparsions with Ward and Jones or Floyd,etc.

Andre Ward right now reminds me of an older Hopkins with a slightly higher workrate.

Ward like an older Hopkins picks his punches well and utilizes all his tools whether it be on the inside or outside.

Floyd & Andre have a very similar bag of tricks when on the inside.

[Althugz]

I dont over rate Ward at all. Froch sucks..he has no ring intelligence but can bang and has great stamina/chin.

But again..its easy for Calzaghe not to be a pussy when he's in the ring against shit opposition...he's a pussy for not fighting anybody of note in their prime.

For me Hopkins won the Calzaghe fight and almost every single boxer/trainer i spoke to felt the same. Ward would know exactly how to negate Calzaghe wild bitch slaps.

But like the poster after me said..no point discussing it now when he's retired..aka..PUSSY

Thats the last I speak on Joe the shite waste of talent Calzaghe

[erics44]

I dont over rate Ward at all. Froch sucks..he has no ring intelligence but can bang and has great stamina/chin.

But again..its easy for Calzaghe not to be a pussy when he's in the ring against shit opposition...he's a pussy for not fighting anybody of note in their prime.

For me Hopkins won the Calzaghe fight and almost every single boxer/trainer i spoke to felt the same. Ward would know exactly how to negate Calzaghe wild bitch slaps.

But like the poster after me said..no point discussing it now when he's retired..aka..PUSSY

Thats the last I speak on Joe the shite waste of talent Calzaghe

hopkins didnt beat calzaghe, the only issue i have with that fight was it was a split decision

Hopkins clearly won the first 4 rounds, with the knockdown he was 5 up

calzaghe clearly won the last 8

but at least the right man got the decision

you are obviously very down on him for some reason so theres not much point in having a argument about it with you

but to say froch sucks is a bit harsh, look at the two fighters routes to the final, froch has been brilliant for boxing and has made the super six a success despite losing the final

What would have happened if Froch woulnt have been in the competition? who would have made the final? what if Ward would have had to do the travelling that some of the other fighters did?

[Gandalf]

I have done a couple of polls on who people thought won between Hopkins and Calzaghe and Calzaghe always wins by a considerable margin. He outlanded Hopkins something silly.

And let's not pretend that that was Calzaghe at his best either. Withered hands and a high energy fighter at 36? Calzaghe was on the slide too, but he was still far too much for a savvy Hopkins. He always would have been as the younger Calzaghe would have hurt Hopkins more.

So Froch sucks and yet why did he win 3 rounds against Ward? Was it charity? Are we suggesting that Froch is in any comparable to the unorthodox, high output style of Calzaghe? It's nonsense and an obvious extension that Ward be taken into deep waters and lose a lot more rounds. I couldn't see him winning rounds against Calzaghe TBH. Early on for sure, but once the adjustments are made and Calzaghe is set on what he needs to do, Ward is done for.

Ward has beaten nobody that Calzaghe couldn't beat better. Ward is a novice and has so much more to do.

And Calzaghe did face in their prime fighters. Everyone overseas was saying Lacy would destroy Joe. Kessler was supposedly a pick 'em fight. Hindsight means those opponents are discounted, but pre injury Lacy was better than people say. Kessler was undefeated and hungry.

Wards biggest win is Kessler and Calzaghe beat him much more impressively.

[ross]

I havent followed Wards career but have read a few times he used to try and fight like Jones. Is that up until he nearly got stopped by Boon? Has he changed in to Ruiz since then? Bika also had him holding for dear life during the last 2 rounds.

That is the only reason Ward is effective, the holding. Without that he has to fight. Calzaghe is about the only fighter that has the workrate, angles and speed to make Ward think twice about coming in. With Froch it was easy, hes not that quick and loads up, which probably is what makes him slow. If he has natural strength which everyone says he does, then he should concentrate on just being sharp and landing and not just one shot at a time. He would have done a hell of alot better and it would only take a win or 2 to get the rematch as now the super 6 is over, everyone is going to go back to avoiding each other. Froch is now in a pretty good position business wise as he is a beatable big name opponent who will travel. He even has Bute thinking of travelling for fuck sake!

[Althugz]

I need make no further points as I said in my last post..you guys make all the points for me! Apart from prime Kessler, Lacy is Calzaghes biggest win..lmao listen to yourselves...

[erics44]

I need make no further points as I said in my last post..you guys make all the points for me! Apart from prime Kessler, Lacy is Calzaghes biggest win..lmao listen to yourselves...

IMO hopkins has turned out to be calzaghes best win

It was a clear victory over a man who has fought at the top level for years and has had some of his best wins right at the very top since losing to Calzaghe

hopkins has lost before but never as convincingly as Calzaghe beat him

[Fenster]

I need make no further points as I said in my last post..you guys make all the points for me! Apart from prime Kessler, Lacy is Calzaghes biggest win..lmao listen to yourselves...

IMO hopkins has turned out to be calzaghes best win

It was a clear victory over a man who has fought at the top level for years and has had some of his best wins right at the very top since losing to Calzaghe

hopkins has lost before but never as convincingly as Calzaghe beat him

Althguz thinks all British fighters are shit, pussy, overrated etc...

Oh sorry, apart from his mate Larry Olubamiwo, he was a guy to look out for ()

[Althugz]

I need make no further points as I said in my last post..you guys make all the points for me! Apart from prime Kessler, Lacy is Calzaghes biggest win..lmao listen to yourselves...

IMO hopkins has turned out to be calzaghes best win

It was a clear victory over a man who has fought at the top level for years and has had some of his best wins right at the very top since losing to Calzaghe

hopkins has lost before but never as convincingly as Calzaghe beat him

Althguz thinks all British fighters are shit, pussy, overrated etc...

Oh sorry, apart from his mate Larry Olubamiwo, he was a guy to look out for ()

Thats original Fenster. I certainly haven't been called unpatriotic before for being a boxing fan first and foremost have I?

If you cant handle the fact that your boy Calslappy was an over rated mug who fought tomato cans in the Welsh Valleys for most of his life, then I suppose daddy hasn't told you that Santa isnt real yet either? Aww..I'm sure santa is bringing you your "JC - Greatest of All Time!!!" DVD tomorrow morning..

I like British fighters if they're good. Simple. Most Brits like fighters because they have this arrogant notion that because they have a Wbo/Wbu strap around their waist that they're the greatest. If I know someone isn't that good then I call it.

For the record British fighters I have infinitely more respect for that the idiot in question :

Froch..already a better resume than JC. Fights anyone..unlike you know who
Ricky Hatton..Was good but overhyped and I called it but at least he went stateside and tried to be great.
Amir Khan..arrogant but respect for going stateside and fighting some fairly tough opposition. JC too scared to do.

I got behind Haye and Kevin Mitchell too. My point is you'll never find me getting behind a guy purely because he's British..I have more love for the sport than that

Hope you have a merry xmas Fenster..enjoy your presents from Santa *Pats Fenster on the head*