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You lost me at Julio C. Gonzalez should be higher than Ricardo lopez. That is just flat glue sniffing talk. Lopez quality shined through regardless of 'the no names' he fought and the ease with which you dismiss him is just flip. Forget that ten or so were former or future world champions and others ranked in the alphabet soup. Lopez did what your supposed to do vs top available comp if you a top p4p fighter...beat them all.Can people even name 10 strawweights? A division that wasn't even recongnized until the 90's fully. Not knowing a guy or the network not knowing how to pronounce his name doesn't equate to them being a no name.

I love me some Carbajal. Always have, back to the Olympics until the end. He literally in company with Gonzalez put the division on near equal footing and respect to main stream fans. Carbajal was tied up in a needed triology after signing with King...who had Lopez stuffed under large ppv cards and the two on same bill a few times. I blame a King if anyone. Lopez wasn't quaking in his boots after watching Gonzalez turn boxer and pull off two albeit close bloody wins over Carbajal. They put him into full blown rebuild mode after that and IF those two had any chance of meeting it was around here. To think that Carbajal just goes out and flattens Lopez is wrong. It never happened, we'll never know but I think Lopez gets him. Lopez was just that damn good.
after watching that it is even supposedly more troubling Y didn't Lopez try 2 take on Carbajal or any of d names in d division above him . It's not that i consider weight jumping as d only thing that counts , but he fought no1 so he's only 1-2 notches above d nobodies that he fought . At least as far as proven facts go . This is what he proved , and u r speculating wildly if u think that his achievements against nobodies suggest anything on how he'd have done vs Carbajal / Gonzalez / Melchor Cob Castro . All of these names he did not fight . Yes they probably were "bigger" than him , but he proved himself less than JCGonzalez had . Gonzalez at least proved 2b durable against good opponents . RLopez had no good opponents , his best being Rosendo Alvarez , and it's circular . Or did u mean that Carbajal's management ducked RLopez ? they still had all d rest of those names that i mentioned 2 pick on .
Light flyweight was far more interesting than strawweight back then but he stirred away from it while fighting nobody . Beating nobodies can only maybe put 1 in d top 15 of his division during 1's time , but #3 all times p4p of his quite heritage loaded country ? R U serious ? I didn't list Gonzalez in my top 10 Mexicans , but he was tested and proven more than RLopez was . Did Gonzalez lose 2 nobodies ? no , just like Lopez had . So Y does Lopez deserve a higher ranking ? Maybe if Lopez fought fighters even on d caliber that Gonzalez fought , he could have been crushed by them . But u'll never know , b/c he never had . But u still ignore all my arguments and rank RLopez higher .
dude your "arguments" only put you in a deeper hole exploiting how clueless you are, FFS you don't even know who Alex "El Nene" Sanchez is when he was one of the more well known names at 105/108 in the early 2000's, he fought the likes of Lopez, Burgos, Dieppa, Cazares, and Calderon all of those names well known, yet you'll probably try and discredit that as well with some fake logic or FAKE "facts", Lopez fought the best that was available at his weight class, no different from the likes of the Klitschko's, in terms of that if there isn't much available in big names yet that's your best weight, you just take on the top 10 guys or other champions and dominate, which is exactly what Lopez did his ENTIRE career, there's a reason why you wont find a list from any person who REALLY knows boxing that doesn't have Ricardo "Finito" Lopez in the top 3 or at worst top 5 of greatest Mexican fighters, you claim you're a student of the game well buddy you better go back to class especially when it comes to latino fighters cause you're flunking out bad